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Lee | 4:31 a.m. July 10, 2009
According to the Libidiots, nothing can be changed. "Yes we can" drink
the kool-aid seems to have a never ending sight. However, I do think in 3 1/2
years, Obama will be handed the door, I'm just not certain if he'll
get the silver, gold, bronze, copper, rusty door handle. I'm hoping
it's the latter!!!
You're a little slow..... | 5:36 a.m. July 10, 2009
The American People "rose up" back in November when we elected our
GREAT PRESIDENT!
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where was this guy? | 6:48 a.m. July 10, 2009
Where was this guy when Cheney/Bush started an illegal war based on lies against
a sovereign country (that goes on and on) giving him complete control (executive
privilege to do anything) and now our country is bankrupt trying to pay for it?
Rise up? | 7:30 a.m. July 10, 2009
What exactly do you mean? March on the White House with pitchforks and
torches?
We DID rise up. At the voting booth. We rid ourselves of the 8 year cancer that was the Bush administration. You had your chance, and ran our country and our world reputation into the sewer.
Mike
We DID rise up. At the voting booth. We rid ourselves of the 8 year cancer that was the Bush administration. You had your chance, and ran our country and our world reputation into the sewer.
Mike
RedShirt | 7:58 a.m. July 10, 2009
To "Rise up? | 7:30 a.m." so you say "We rid ourselves of the 8
year cancer that was the Bush administration" When all we did is replace a
mild cancer with a more agressive cancer. Also, FYI, the democrats are the ones
that have been approving the insanity of the past 2 1/2 years. They have been
enabling the president to do anything.
The problem with your cancer analogy is that the cancer is still there, only you don't recognize it.
The problem with your cancer analogy is that the cancer is still there, only you don't recognize it.
Darrel | 8:34 a.m. July 10, 2009
I love these "Obama is the root of all evil, and was probably the serpent
in the Garden of Eden" letters! They cause a good laugh.
Somebody, please name one law he has violated in his presidency? What part of the constitution is under constant siege? Please tell me what article or ammendment he has violated. He has not taken away your right to speech, religion, your guns and he is not quartering soldiers in your homes. Has he suspended trial by jury? Placing a poll tax? Disallowing women the right to vote? Allowing Congress a pay raise before the next election? Please tell me what part of the Constitution has been placed under siege.
Somebody, please name one law he has violated in his presidency? What part of the constitution is under constant siege? Please tell me what article or ammendment he has violated. He has not taken away your right to speech, religion, your guns and he is not quartering soldiers in your homes. Has he suspended trial by jury? Placing a poll tax? Disallowing women the right to vote? Allowing Congress a pay raise before the next election? Please tell me what part of the Constitution has been placed under siege.
Dear RedShirt | 8:43 a.m. July 10, 2009
Here Mike is venting, as all people should be about the mess the GOP left us in,
and Ta DA! In rides RedShirt to the rescue, dispensing one of his cookie-cutter
right-wing wisdom pellets, so deftly offered up from his bright red pez
dispenser.
I was a resident of Utah, until such time as the one-way political street there made life uncomfortable. I delight in reading the Deseret News, and see that you are a regular contributor to the forums here. Unfortunately, your comments all sound alike, sort of a drone.
Reminds me of 'Charlie Brown's teacher".
Former Ute in Aspen, CO
I was a resident of Utah, until such time as the one-way political street there made life uncomfortable. I delight in reading the Deseret News, and see that you are a regular contributor to the forums here. Unfortunately, your comments all sound alike, sort of a drone.
Reminds me of 'Charlie Brown's teacher".
Former Ute in Aspen, CO
@darrel | 8:48 a.m. July 10, 2009
just wait a few years and let all the over-reaching come to fruition. Your
right to life, liberty and private property will be gone. When you have been
taxed to death, don't come crying to me.
Darrel | 8:53 a.m. July 10, 2009
to @darrel
With all due respect, you just gave me the same jingle everyone else has, with no specific example.
My question still stands.
With all due respect, you just gave me the same jingle everyone else has, with no specific example.
My question still stands.
Dear Former Ute in Co. | 8:58 a.m. July 10, 2009
Well said, Sir! Too bad you moved away. We need more of your kind here.
Marty in Alta
Marty in Alta
To "Dear Redshirt" | 9:00 a.m. July 10, 2009
I have been trying to say something similar for eons, but have never been able
to put it so succinctly.
Way to go! Love the "pellets" ref.!
Meb in Orem
Way to go! Love the "pellets" ref.!
Meb in Orem
Re: Rise Up? | 9:10 a.m. July 10, 2009
"We DID rise up. At the voting booth. We rid ourselves of the 8 year cancer
that was the Bush administration."
Actually, Bush was ineligible to run in 2008 since he had already served two terms. He was not on the ballot. So nothing happened in the voting booth that "rid ourselves" of the Bush administration - the Constitution did that without us.
Shows how little liberals know about the Constitution and laws in general.....
But my hat's off to you - the liberals convinced a bunch of gullible moderate independents to vote for a man who's proving to be an inept moron. As much as I don't like McCain, we would be far better off today if he were President. I think that's what the letter writer meant by "rise up." Let's rise up and find a real President who cares about people, not controlling everything.
Actually, Bush was ineligible to run in 2008 since he had already served two terms. He was not on the ballot. So nothing happened in the voting booth that "rid ourselves" of the Bush administration - the Constitution did that without us.
Shows how little liberals know about the Constitution and laws in general.....
But my hat's off to you - the liberals convinced a bunch of gullible moderate independents to vote for a man who's proving to be an inept moron. As much as I don't like McCain, we would be far better off today if he were President. I think that's what the letter writer meant by "rise up." Let's rise up and find a real President who cares about people, not controlling everything.
Hypocrisy | 9:18 a.m. July 10, 2009
So Neocons, you want to RISE UP and CHANGE the government. Easy to say. So what
are your solutions? Elect Palin? Invade another country? Tax cuts for the rich?
Spy on the text messages of citizens? Have more affairs in Argentina?
See, it's easy to complain, but a lot more difficult to find solutions. Electing a Republican led Congress would bring our government to a standstill, NOTHING would ever get resolved as opposed to a few things getting resolved.
Neocons, there's a reason why your party lost control over Congress and the White House the past few years.
Find solutions or just stop complaining.
See, it's easy to complain, but a lot more difficult to find solutions. Electing a Republican led Congress would bring our government to a standstill, NOTHING would ever get resolved as opposed to a few things getting resolved.
Neocons, there's a reason why your party lost control over Congress and the White House the past few years.
Find solutions or just stop complaining.
polls changing | 9:37 a.m. July 10, 2009
national polls all show a sharp decline in support for the great Zeus Obama.
Insane spending and deficits, ridiculously wasteful use of tax payer stimulus
money, continued appeasement overseas, radical social policy, huge tax INCREASES
every where you turn with the proposed cap and trade policy well as the looming
socialized health care monster. Add to all of this a national unemployment
picture that will soon hit 10% with no end in sight (Obama warned without his
giant stimulus bill unemployment would hit 9% a few months ago). The bottom
line, Obama-nomics is NOT working and in fact many economists say it is BECAUSE
of his insane out of control spending that we are still in a recession. The
stimulus money has done nothing for the recession and in fact unemployment has
increased 2 percentage points since this stupid wasteful bill was passed and now
Obama is talking about another stimulus bill. One thing is clear, Obama is NO
LEADER and I understand many who voted for him are wanting their vote back!!
Grover | 9:57 a.m. July 10, 2009
The answer to Lee's question is that Americans will "rise up"
around the same time the Iranians do. In the meantime, I suggest that at night
you get up on your roof and shout "God is Great!".
AB | 10:03 a.m. July 10, 2009
It doesnt matter, the Obama sheeple are so enamored with their great leader that
they will support him to the bitter end.....
To "Re:" | 10:21 a.m. July 10, 2009
What he meant was that we rid ourselves of the cancerous GOP, not so much Bush.
Everyone knows of the 2 term limits.
Too bad they don't apply to Hatch and Bennett.
Joe
Too bad they don't apply to Hatch and Bennett.
Joe
RedShirt | 10:23 a.m. July 10, 2009
To "Dear RedShirt | 8:43 a.m." what year did the GOP leve us this
mess? Was it this year when Obama was took the oath of office? Was it 2006
when the Democrats took control of congress and became responsible for creating
the federal budget?
If you look at what Wikipedia has on the national debt since 2000, you can see that the Republicans took us from 58% to 64.9% of the GDP. Since the Democrats became the guardians of the Federal Budget, it has gone from 64.9% to 70.2% between 2006 and 2008, and is estimated to baloon to 90% at the end of the 2009 fiscal year. So, it took the Republicans 6 years to increase the national debt by nearly 7%, and now the Democrats, in 3 years, will increase the debt by an estimated 25% GDP. So, who is creating the mess?
The correct answer is, anyboy who voted for the deficit spending over the past 30 years, and that includes Obama, Bush, the Republicans, and the Democrats that voted for the deficit spending.
If you look at what Wikipedia has on the national debt since 2000, you can see that the Republicans took us from 58% to 64.9% of the GDP. Since the Democrats became the guardians of the Federal Budget, it has gone from 64.9% to 70.2% between 2006 and 2008, and is estimated to baloon to 90% at the end of the 2009 fiscal year. So, it took the Republicans 6 years to increase the national debt by nearly 7%, and now the Democrats, in 3 years, will increase the debt by an estimated 25% GDP. So, who is creating the mess?
The correct answer is, anyboy who voted for the deficit spending over the past 30 years, and that includes Obama, Bush, the Republicans, and the Democrats that voted for the deficit spending.
To AB | 10:30 a.m. July 10, 2009
Yeah? Look at all the GOP still defending their dead and irrelevant party to the
end!
And this Democratic surge isn't going to go away. Not with the possible candidates you have to battle back?
McCain? We showed him the door.
Palin? She can't even SPELL Palin!
Romney? That flip-flopper may not be a republican by the time the next election rolls around. Heck, he might not be a republican next week!
So run around in circles. Curse Obama. Wring your hands.
YOur pithy and sophomoric tantrums fall on ears that don't care. It's our turn now.
Noah in Alpine
And this Democratic surge isn't going to go away. Not with the possible candidates you have to battle back?
McCain? We showed him the door.
Palin? She can't even SPELL Palin!
Romney? That flip-flopper may not be a republican by the time the next election rolls around. Heck, he might not be a republican next week!
So run around in circles. Curse Obama. Wring your hands.
YOur pithy and sophomoric tantrums fall on ears that don't care. It's our turn now.
Noah in Alpine
To AB | 10:35 a.m. July 10, 2009
Obama sheeple?
The republicans, especially those here in Utah are the sheep. On Sundays, they all chat in the parking lot about the evil Demon-crats and all await word from their leaders on whom to vote for, what to do, when to do it. Robotic sheep is more like it.
Obama's people are not sheep.
Look in the mirror.
Joey
The republicans, especially those here in Utah are the sheep. On Sundays, they all chat in the parking lot about the evil Demon-crats and all await word from their leaders on whom to vote for, what to do, when to do it. Robotic sheep is more like it.
Obama's people are not sheep.
Look in the mirror.
Joey
Anonymous | 10:42 a.m. July 10, 2009
He controls everything? Are you freakin' paranoid? Did you like it when
Bush controlled it all (the GOP controlled Congress then). If Obama controlled
everything, he woujld be getting his way on everything. Have you been reading
the news, or do you get your info from Fox? This is the letter of an uninformed
person. When 2012 rolls around, cast your votes, Obama haters. That's the
only vote or poll that means anything.
Colin Powell is right on | 10:50 a.m. July 10, 2009
As Colin Powell warns the GOP again and again, the polarization and hatred made
famous by the right has caused irreparable harm to their party.
Possibly for years to come.
Possibly for years to come.
There goes redshirt | 10:53 a.m. July 10, 2009
Yup...
WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH.
EXACTLY like Charlie Brown's teacher!
I think that's the same post he uses at least twice a week.
Anna
WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH WUH.
EXACTLY like Charlie Brown's teacher!
I think that's the same post he uses at least twice a week.
Anna
Steve (the actuary) | 11:11 a.m. July 10, 2009
@RedShirt | 10:23 a.m
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I could go change those numbers to say whatever I wanted right now. Heck I just did.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I could go change those numbers to say whatever I wanted right now. Heck I just did.
OH YEAH | 11:13 a.m. July 10, 2009
Someone made the comment the other day, that it was time to move on with regard
to the DAILY BUSH PARODY we read in these comments.
I agreed.
I than realized that CLINTON is still used as a political punching bag for those from the right.
So I guess that means BUSH should be FAIR GAME at least until 2020.
If jobs continue to dis-appear, OBAMA is toast in 2012.
Maybe that is the "rising up" the author of the op-ed "forsees".
I agreed.
I than realized that CLINTON is still used as a political punching bag for those from the right.
So I guess that means BUSH should be FAIR GAME at least until 2020.
If jobs continue to dis-appear, OBAMA is toast in 2012.
Maybe that is the "rising up" the author of the op-ed "forsees".
Anonymous | 11:36 a.m. July 10, 2009
You never to watch listening to conservative propagandist trying to incite you
using fear. It's conservatives and fear, not Obama that is controlling
you.
The budget was passed by elected representatives and not a presidential degree. Didn't you take government in school?
This gets me. The logic gets to me.
You have people believing the same sources that told them money would trickle down. If we make the rich more wealthy, everyone will see their pay rise like a incoming tide on the Bay of Fundy.
What we got was a tidal bore that sunk our economy.
These sources told you there were WMD in Iraq and the Iraq supported terrorist. They assured you our troops would be greeted like liberators. They told you the war would cost a mere 30 billion.
You were told the evil liberal press, and not conservative regulation was causing economic problems.
The reason your losers today, was the dept of your denial. I'm not listening to conservative lies anymore. I detest conservative as much as I detest National Socialism.
The budget was passed by elected representatives and not a presidential degree. Didn't you take government in school?
This gets me. The logic gets to me.
You have people believing the same sources that told them money would trickle down. If we make the rich more wealthy, everyone will see their pay rise like a incoming tide on the Bay of Fundy.
What we got was a tidal bore that sunk our economy.
These sources told you there were WMD in Iraq and the Iraq supported terrorist. They assured you our troops would be greeted like liberators. They told you the war would cost a mere 30 billion.
You were told the evil liberal press, and not conservative regulation was causing economic problems.
The reason your losers today, was the dept of your denial. I'm not listening to conservative lies anymore. I detest conservative as much as I detest National Socialism.
RedShirt | 11:57 a.m. July 10, 2009
To "Steve (the actuary) | 11:11 a.m." how about the web site US
Governemnt Spending, which uses data directly from the U.S. Government Printing
Office to create a similar table.
On their web site, when the Republicans took control of congress in 1998, the debt as a percent of GDP was at 63.18%. By 2006, that had increased to 64.55%, with a low of 57.34% in 2001.
Since the Democrats took control in 2006, the debt has gone from 64.55% to 70.00% for 2008, and 2009 is estimated, again to be 90.36%.
I now have listed 2 sources that give similar information, where one source can be traced back directly to official government data.
The last time we had debt like that, it took 30 years to pay nearly all of it off.
This isn't an issue of one party or the other making huge mistakes. This is a problem with ALL politicians in Washington. The debt must be paid in full, and must be avoided in the future if we want to make this land prosperous.
On their web site, when the Republicans took control of congress in 1998, the debt as a percent of GDP was at 63.18%. By 2006, that had increased to 64.55%, with a low of 57.34% in 2001.
Since the Democrats took control in 2006, the debt has gone from 64.55% to 70.00% for 2008, and 2009 is estimated, again to be 90.36%.
I now have listed 2 sources that give similar information, where one source can be traced back directly to official government data.
The last time we had debt like that, it took 30 years to pay nearly all of it off.
This isn't an issue of one party or the other making huge mistakes. This is a problem with ALL politicians in Washington. The debt must be paid in full, and must be avoided in the future if we want to make this land prosperous.
Willard C. Smith | 11:59 a.m. July 10, 2009
What do you mean it's Obama? Don't you realize it is the Martians
aiming their mind-control radiation beam and causing people to do their bidding.
When Martians first came to this planet 10,000 years ago, they found a world that was not very developed. But they periodically sent ships with spys to see if Earth would be a place worth exploiting.
The first Martians only walked around at night and watched us. But now they are preparing us for a full-scale invasion to take over this planet. They first want to put us in a desparate condition so that we won't be able to fight them when they arrive.
Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are only the latest Martian spies to be sent. They are really in league with one another in this enterprise to take over. Don't be misguided and think we are safe.
After Palin becomes president in 2024 and Obama has become the head of the United Nations, they will open up talks with the Martian leadership and begin the final negotiations for a mass migration of Martians to this planet.
When Martians first came to this planet 10,000 years ago, they found a world that was not very developed. But they periodically sent ships with spys to see if Earth would be a place worth exploiting.
The first Martians only walked around at night and watched us. But now they are preparing us for a full-scale invasion to take over this planet. They first want to put us in a desparate condition so that we won't be able to fight them when they arrive.
Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are only the latest Martian spies to be sent. They are really in league with one another in this enterprise to take over. Don't be misguided and think we are safe.
After Palin becomes president in 2024 and Obama has become the head of the United Nations, they will open up talks with the Martian leadership and begin the final negotiations for a mass migration of Martians to this planet.
RedShirt | 12:02 p.m. July 10, 2009
To "Colin Powell is right on | 10:50 a.m." as long as we are going to
use Colin Powell quotes, lets see some of his recent quotes.
July 4, 2009 he said "I think one of the cautions that has to be given to the president - and I've talked to some of his people about this - is that you can't have so many things on the table that you can't absorb it all. And we can't pay for it all...And I never would have believed that we would have budgets that are running into the multi-trillions of dollars, and we are amassing a huge, huge national debt that, if we don't pay for in our lifetime, our kids and grandkids and great grandchildren will have to pay for it."
In speaking about he size of government he said "Keep it as small as possible. Keep the tax burden on the American people as small as possible."
But are you paying attention to that, or only when Powell talks about the GOP?
July 4, 2009 he said "I think one of the cautions that has to be given to the president - and I've talked to some of his people about this - is that you can't have so many things on the table that you can't absorb it all. And we can't pay for it all...And I never would have believed that we would have budgets that are running into the multi-trillions of dollars, and we are amassing a huge, huge national debt that, if we don't pay for in our lifetime, our kids and grandkids and great grandchildren will have to pay for it."
In speaking about he size of government he said "Keep it as small as possible. Keep the tax burden on the American people as small as possible."
But are you paying attention to that, or only when Powell talks about the GOP?
Utah County at again | 12:11 p.m. July 10, 2009
I swear utah county only gets the fox news channel, sean hannity, rush limbaugh,
and glenn bleck shows.
Who controls who:
I can only buy liquor at state run stores.
Salt lake county and its residents were forced to accept the Real Salt Lake scam.
Most of our puppet legislature will only listen to you if you are either; rich, lds or rich and lds.
The one who controls us all are the banks and federal reserve. They are the ones who enslave us.
Who controls who:
I can only buy liquor at state run stores.
Salt lake county and its residents were forced to accept the Real Salt Lake scam.
Most of our puppet legislature will only listen to you if you are either; rich, lds or rich and lds.
The one who controls us all are the banks and federal reserve. They are the ones who enslave us.
wallofvoodoo | 12:22 p.m. July 10, 2009
Bush & the Spedepublicans did the same thing. You are just upset where the
money is being sent. It would be nice to have a congress & president with
some common sense in this area for a change.
RedShirt | 12:38 p.m. July 10, 2009
To "wallofvoodoo | 12:22 p.m." amen to that.
To "Your a little slow . . . ." | 12:40 p.m. July 10, 2009
A fawning, biased media and mindless Obamatons who bought into his vapid
"hope" and "change" mantra got Obama elected. The tide is
fast changing, however, as shown by the fact that the Rasmussen presidential
approval index is now at -5. People who wanted "anyone but Bush" are
now seeing exactly what got, a radical, left-wing Spendthrift-in-Chief who
despises America, plays Chigago-style politics, tilts at the "climate
change" windmill, wants government-run everything, wants to micro-manage
our lives (e.g., mandating what light bulbs we have to use for crying out loud),
all while hypocritically failing to live by the same ridiculous standards that
he wants to foist on the rest of us (e.g., house temperature, so-called
"carbon footprint," etc.) and is bankrupting the nation.
Go ahead and bash Bush as a spendthrift too. You'll get no argument from me, other than to note that if Bush was a spendthrift, which he was, our current Spendthift-in-Chief has exponentially accelerated our nation's bankruptcy.
Heaven help us all.
Go ahead and bash Bush as a spendthrift too. You'll get no argument from me, other than to note that if Bush was a spendthrift, which he was, our current Spendthift-in-Chief has exponentially accelerated our nation's bankruptcy.
Heaven help us all.
Sam the Ham | 12:41 p.m. July 10, 2009
@where was this guy? 6:48 a.m.: "Where was this guy when Cheney/Bush
started an illegal war based on lies against a sovereign country..."
Did you not mean Clinton/Gore who illegally attacked the sovereign nation of Serbia?
Did you not mean Clinton/Gore who illegally attacked the sovereign nation of Serbia?
@ Darrell 8:34 am | 12:45 p.m. July 10, 2009
"Somebody, please name one law he has violated in his presidency? What part
of the constitution is under constant siege? Please tell me what article or
ammendment he has violated. He has not taken away your right to speech,
religion, your guns and he is not quartering soldiers in your homes. Has he
suspended trial by jury? Placing a poll tax? Disallowing women the right to
vote? Allowing Congress a pay raise before the next election? Please tell me
what part of the Constitution has been placed under siege".
This is your standard of a good President? Be specific, and site references that indicate Mr. Bush violated your stated standards of a good president.
This is your standard of a good President? Be specific, and site references that indicate Mr. Bush violated your stated standards of a good president.
Tired | 12:52 p.m. July 10, 2009
I know that protest is patriotic, but there's so much bitter acrimony
between Republicans and Democrats that it makes me sick. You all create cute
names for each other: "libtards," "redumblicans," etc. Sick
burn, indeed.
It's just getting old, and I feel like it's tearing our country apart. To quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?" (A little tongue-in-cheek)
It's just getting old, and I feel like it's tearing our country apart. To quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?" (A little tongue-in-cheek)
Steve (the actuary) | 12:56 p.m. July 10, 2009
RedShirt | 11:57 a.m
Fair enough. I'm not trying to disagree to disagree, But you have to agree that Wikipedia is good for general information, but not to cite as a source. I guess i was just being a source Nazi.
Fair enough. I'm not trying to disagree to disagree, But you have to agree that Wikipedia is good for general information, but not to cite as a source. I guess i was just being a source Nazi.
Darrel | 1:00 p.m. July 10, 2009
@ Darrell
I never said this was my standard of a good President, I just wanted examples of how the current President has over-reached his powers.
But while I am at it:
Former President Bush did violate the 4th ammendment rights through illegal wire-tapping.
Former President Bush violated 5th ammendment rights by suspending habeus corpus.
Former President Bush violated 6 ammendment rights by denying prisoners a public trial
Former President Bush violated 7th ammendment rights by denying trial by jury.
Wow that is nearly half the bill of rights under 100 words.
I never said this was my standard of a good President, I just wanted examples of how the current President has over-reached his powers.
But while I am at it:
Former President Bush did violate the 4th ammendment rights through illegal wire-tapping.
Former President Bush violated 5th ammendment rights by suspending habeus corpus.
Former President Bush violated 6 ammendment rights by denying prisoners a public trial
Former President Bush violated 7th ammendment rights by denying trial by jury.
Wow that is nearly half the bill of rights under 100 words.
Gus Talwynd | 1:19 p.m. July 10, 2009
@RedShirt | 12:02 p.m.
"In speaking about he size of government [Colin Powell] said "Keep it as small as possible. Keep the tax burden on the American people as small as possible."
The real question is "What is small?" No one wants government (however you define it) to be larger than necessary and taxes to be greater than necessary.
There are those on the extreme Right who want essentially no government and no taxes. It's difficult to understand how they will live with others, but there is a need for both government and taxes. You will probably agree with this statement.
However, the question comes down to "how much". There is a lot of disagreement with this. Even among so-called "libeals" there is disagreement over what is needed and what is unnecessary.
As long as the conversation remains discordant and angry, nothing is accomplished. The liberal and conservative worlds can converse, but the extreme rhetoric only contributes to the animosity.
All this aside, the controversy regarding "how much is enough" will always be. This is why we need the best information before decisions are made. Unfortunately, the right information is not always available because of other agendas.
"In speaking about he size of government [Colin Powell] said "Keep it as small as possible. Keep the tax burden on the American people as small as possible."
The real question is "What is small?" No one wants government (however you define it) to be larger than necessary and taxes to be greater than necessary.
There are those on the extreme Right who want essentially no government and no taxes. It's difficult to understand how they will live with others, but there is a need for both government and taxes. You will probably agree with this statement.
However, the question comes down to "how much". There is a lot of disagreement with this. Even among so-called "libeals" there is disagreement over what is needed and what is unnecessary.
As long as the conversation remains discordant and angry, nothing is accomplished. The liberal and conservative worlds can converse, but the extreme rhetoric only contributes to the animosity.
All this aside, the controversy regarding "how much is enough" will always be. This is why we need the best information before decisions are made. Unfortunately, the right information is not always available because of other agendas.
Bush was a spendthrift.... | 2:14 p.m. July 10, 2009
..and so is Obama, But Bush was also an idiot.
A poorly-educated, unworldly, pompous, inarticulate, embarassing improvident lack-wit.
Reagan was apprpoached to give the young Dub a job, and he stated back then that he was a "ne'er-do-well".
How right the arms-donating president was.
Alfie
A poorly-educated, unworldly, pompous, inarticulate, embarassing improvident lack-wit.
Reagan was apprpoached to give the young Dub a job, and he stated back then that he was a "ne'er-do-well".
How right the arms-donating president was.
Alfie
Anonymous | 2:20 p.m. July 10, 2009
@Redshirt
And you really believe that the Democrats are a unified political power in Congress? And you believe that they are responsible for everything the government has done since 2007?
I've never laughed so hard in my life. LOL
And you really believe that the Democrats are a unified political power in Congress? And you believe that they are responsible for everything the government has done since 2007?
I've never laughed so hard in my life. LOL
@ tired | 2:49 p.m. July 10, 2009
amen!! there needs to come a time where all this bickering stops.. how long will
we cut each other down? until its too late and we are all being controlled? who
knows?
only chance for GOP | 2:53 p.m. July 10, 2009
The only real chance the GOP has in putting a man in the White House anytime
soon, would be to draft Colin Powell.
And that's because Powell leans left more than right.
But don't tell the Limbaughites this - they'll REALLY get freaky and start committing mass-suicide.
And that's because Powell leans left more than right.
But don't tell the Limbaughites this - they'll REALLY get freaky and start committing mass-suicide.
To Anon at 2:20 | 3:08 p.m. July 10, 2009
RedShirt is usually good for a laugh. It's just that he posts the same
paragraph at least once a week, regardless of the topic.
I have caught several of his quotes coming directly from wikipdeia, and other web sources. And here's how you find out. Whenever he says something that hints of being eloquent, well-though-out, or actually intelligent, just highlight that, then paste it into Yahoo or other search engine, and voila! there it is.
He'll deny it, but we all know.
Joe
I have caught several of his quotes coming directly from wikipdeia, and other web sources. And here's how you find out. Whenever he says something that hints of being eloquent, well-though-out, or actually intelligent, just highlight that, then paste it into Yahoo or other search engine, and voila! there it is.
He'll deny it, but we all know.
Joe
RedShirt | 3:08 p.m. July 10, 2009
To "Anonymous | 2:20 p.m." they have been the majority since 2006. If
they didn't believe in the bad decisions of Bush, they have had enough
votes to prevent it, but didn't. If Bush was destroying things from 2001
to 2009, why didn't the Democrat majority stop him beginning in 2006?
Instead of stopping him, they voted for every bad policy that went through congress
Instead of stopping him, they voted for every bad policy that went through congress
Calling for a Wikipedia edit war | 5:20 p.m. July 10, 2009
Re: Steve (the actuary)
"Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I could go change those numbers to say whatever I wanted right now. Heck I just did."
It's time for a Wikipedia edit war. So let's invite RedShirt and the fools that he votes for to the edit war.
It will be really fun to see who is left standing.
"Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I could go change those numbers to say whatever I wanted right now. Heck I just did."
It's time for a Wikipedia edit war. So let's invite RedShirt and the fools that he votes for to the edit war.
It will be really fun to see who is left standing.
Buy cheap hosting at IPower | 5:31 p.m. July 10, 2009
RedShirt,
"...how about the web site US Governemnt Spending, which uses data directly from the U.S. Government Printing Office to create a similar table."
Do you even know who Christoper Chantrill is? He's the idiot behind U.S. Government Spending. Go to his website at inserthisname.com for more information about this pathetic loser. This guy is a nobody and has no actual experience that qualifies him to pay a few dollars to host a website that any child could create.
"I now have listed 2 sources that give similar information, where one source can be traced back directly to official government data."
The first source you cited could have been edited by Christopher Chantrill for all we know and the second source isn't credible since he's a nobody who is probably responsible for both U.S. Government Spending and the Wikipedia article you cited. You will have to do better then that. For all we know you could be Christoper Chantrill as well since he is probably an internet troll who feeds of the idea that he is somebody because he can pay a few dollars to host a website through IPower. LOL
"...how about the web site US Governemnt Spending, which uses data directly from the U.S. Government Printing Office to create a similar table."
Do you even know who Christoper Chantrill is? He's the idiot behind U.S. Government Spending. Go to his website at inserthisname.com for more information about this pathetic loser. This guy is a nobody and has no actual experience that qualifies him to pay a few dollars to host a website that any child could create.
"I now have listed 2 sources that give similar information, where one source can be traced back directly to official government data."
The first source you cited could have been edited by Christopher Chantrill for all we know and the second source isn't credible since he's a nobody who is probably responsible for both U.S. Government Spending and the Wikipedia article you cited. You will have to do better then that. For all we know you could be Christoper Chantrill as well since he is probably an internet troll who feeds of the idea that he is somebody because he can pay a few dollars to host a website through IPower. LOL
D-X | 5:45 p.m. July 10, 2009
re: Lee | 4:31 a.m. July 10, 2009
What exactly is the diferrence between say the "Audacity of Hope" and "Yes! We Can" versus "Compassionate Conservativism" (an oxymoron if ever there was) & "Mission Accomplished!"???
What exactly is the diferrence between say the "Audacity of Hope" and "Yes! We Can" versus "Compassionate Conservativism" (an oxymoron if ever there was) & "Mission Accomplished!"???
Re: polls changing | 6:08 p.m. July 10, 2009
*Obama's favorable ratings have gone done from the low '60s to the
high '50s over the past couple weeks. Is that your definition of a
"sharp decline"?
*That's funny, but there have also been multiple economists who are saying that we've averted the worst and we're starting to see signs of recovery.
*Seeing as how most of the stimulus money has yet to be spent, aren't you being a little premature? Of course you're not; Obama's the source of all evil, right?
*"I understand many who voted for him want to take their vote back!!" Maybe in your fantasies...
*That's funny, but there have also been multiple economists who are saying that we've averted the worst and we're starting to see signs of recovery.
*Seeing as how most of the stimulus money has yet to be spent, aren't you being a little premature? Of course you're not; Obama's the source of all evil, right?
*"I understand many who voted for him want to take their vote back!!" Maybe in your fantasies...
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