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Deroy Murdock: Global cooling evidence should quiet the alarms raised by warmists
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westg323 | 2:46 a.m. July 10, 2009
Belief in global warming is woven in so tightly with ideology that I don't
think any amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.It is to the point
that GW theorists brand non-believers as kooks.
Crow | 4:41 a.m. July 10, 2009
Shall we serve some up for Al Gore, or is he still convinced that he started the
"internet"????
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Timj | 4:53 a.m. July 10, 2009
A media fellow at the Hoover Institute...
For some reason, after reading this article, that doesn't surprise me.
It also doesn't surprise me that the Hoover Institute receives some of its funding from a group that very much wants people to not accept global warming--ExxonMobile.
Just like cigarette companies wanted people to think that there was a scientific debate about whether cigarettes were bad for you or not, certain groups today want people to believe that pollution, including giving our atmosphere more CO2 than it has ever had in human history, is not a problem. If they can convince enough people, they can keep raking in the dough. And that, ultimately, is all they care about.
For some reason, after reading this article, that doesn't surprise me.
It also doesn't surprise me that the Hoover Institute receives some of its funding from a group that very much wants people to not accept global warming--ExxonMobile.
Just like cigarette companies wanted people to think that there was a scientific debate about whether cigarettes were bad for you or not, certain groups today want people to believe that pollution, including giving our atmosphere more CO2 than it has ever had in human history, is not a problem. If they can convince enough people, they can keep raking in the dough. And that, ultimately, is all they care about.
I'll believe the scientists.... | 5:40 a.m. July 10, 2009
Deroy is a columnist. When I start hearing consensus from scientists on global
cooling then I might believe it.
Mr. Murdoch ignores the satellite photos that show ice sheets disappearing at an alarming rate.
Mr. Murdoch ignores the satellite photos that show ice sheets disappearing at an alarming rate.
sorry charlie | 5:59 a.m. July 10, 2009
But its not about saving the planet... The alarmists, most of them, just want to
control our lives. If they really think they can change the climate of the
earth, then they suffer from 'God Complex', where they think they are
as powerful as God himself.
Matthew | 7:01 a.m. July 10, 2009
MSNBC and CNN dutifully shared with us the "satellite photos that show[ed]
ice sheets disappearing," but they didn't show us that the ice cap
grew to historically normal extents in record time mere months later!
When the growth was made public we were assured that the ice was thin, not as substantial as the oil-mongers would have us think. A subsequent expedition to measure ice thickness was doomed by cold weather. Results from that trip and airplane flights showed the ice was "thicker than expected," and we haven't heard anything since.
The AP headline today tells us what we've known for years: global warming is about social justice and not about saving the earth.
Many in the global warming movement jumped on the bandwagon to accomplish social justice and wealth redistribution when their hopes in the USSR were dashed.
When the growth was made public we were assured that the ice was thin, not as substantial as the oil-mongers would have us think. A subsequent expedition to measure ice thickness was doomed by cold weather. Results from that trip and airplane flights showed the ice was "thicker than expected," and we haven't heard anything since.
The AP headline today tells us what we've known for years: global warming is about social justice and not about saving the earth.
Many in the global warming movement jumped on the bandwagon to accomplish social justice and wealth redistribution when their hopes in the USSR were dashed.
Yes you did cherry pick | 7:13 a.m. July 10, 2009
A few temperature measurements at a few individual locations are not even
relevant. It's like deciding on the height of a mountain based on the size
of one rock.
Where is all the temperatures for the last 100 years every day everywhere with standard deviation? Then you can tell me there is no trend w/r to the noise from a few measurements at a few locations.
Where is all the temperatures for the last 100 years every day everywhere with standard deviation? Then you can tell me there is no trend w/r to the noise from a few measurements at a few locations.
dave | 7:32 a.m. July 10, 2009
Global warming is a theory for the naive and superstitious. Had these people
been born in the 1500-1600's, they would have been on every witch hunt
alarmists set them up to.
Himself | 7:35 a.m. July 10, 2009
Thank you Mr. Murdock for using your MBA to clear this up for us. I will now
turn to Sterling Poulson to explain why unemployment is at 9%.
What scientists? | 7:52 a.m. July 10, 2009
Hardly any scientist studies global warming theory. Why should a consensus among
"scientists", unless they are objectively studying relevant branches
of science such as meterorology etc matter, even if a comprehensive poll were
taken, and such a poll does not appear to ever have taken place.
Those in the field differ; who of the opposing groups in the relevant fields are truly scientific? Take your pick.
Evidence that global warming - all the globe, not just selected parts - is not occurring will quiet the zealots for a time but soon they will re-group, adjust their claims, fine tune their terminology perhaps, invent new excuses, continue to vociferously assert their claims and dominate the media. After all "naught but fiction feeds the many".
Those in the field differ; who of the opposing groups in the relevant fields are truly scientific? Take your pick.
Evidence that global warming - all the globe, not just selected parts - is not occurring will quiet the zealots for a time but soon they will re-group, adjust their claims, fine tune their terminology perhaps, invent new excuses, continue to vociferously assert their claims and dominate the media. After all "naught but fiction feeds the many".
lost in DC | 8:18 a.m. July 10, 2009
TimJ, can't attack the facts as presented so you attack the presenter?
good, solid, dishonest debate style, must have been learned from Keith Olbermann
or Rachel Madcow at MNSBC. are YOU off the grid or are YOU buying
"green" power from rocky mountain power? if not, your attacks are
spurious.
If I understand correctly, only 4% of the CO2 is man-made. We in the US consume a large share of the world's energy, but even if we create 1/4 of all the man-caused CO2, that's only 1% of the total CO2. What is BO's cap and trade (AKA tax and job-kill) going to do about the other 99%?
If I understand correctly, only 4% of the CO2 is man-made. We in the US consume a large share of the world's energy, but even if we create 1/4 of all the man-caused CO2, that's only 1% of the total CO2. What is BO's cap and trade (AKA tax and job-kill) going to do about the other 99%?
Roland Kayser | 9:08 a.m. July 10, 2009
Tell it to the 11,000 residents of Tuvalu, all of whom had to resettled in New
Zealand because their island is no longer inhabitable due to rising sea levels.
Tell it to the residents of Alaskan coastal villages whose land is literraly
disappearing under their feet as the permafrost melts. We could go on and on,
but you get the point.
Neil Goslin | 9:26 a.m. July 10, 2009
What a great article. Articulate and to the point. Global warming is indeed a
farce, but sadly, it, like the BCS, is driven by money, not a desire for truth
or accuracy. But please write more such articles, perhaps it will make it to a
bigger stage, we need to spread the truth on this.
JMT | 9:30 a.m. July 10, 2009
Lies, dang lies then the environmentalists.
Tuvalu, Alaska, give me a break!
Historically, going back billions of years - the earth has had ice caps only 10% of the time. That means the other 90% of the time the earth has no ice caps, no polar ice, no snow to ski on - nothing. On the long trend the earth is in its coldest time right now.
Not going back so far it was much warmer 600 years ago than it was during the 1930's or with Dr Hansen's cooked numbers out of NASA.
Satellite readings show that upper atmospheric temps have NOT risen over the past decades. This is key since the whole global warming scare is about CO2 trapping in the suns rays and cooking the earth like a convection oven. In order for that to happen the upper atmosphere must be warming. It is not.
Another evidence of the scam.
The comment about the liberals jumping on Global Warming once the USSR collapsed is right on the money. They tried international socialism with the Soviets, didn't work. They now want to try international socialism through environmentalism. It will collapse as well.
Socialism doesn't work!
Tuvalu, Alaska, give me a break!
Historically, going back billions of years - the earth has had ice caps only 10% of the time. That means the other 90% of the time the earth has no ice caps, no polar ice, no snow to ski on - nothing. On the long trend the earth is in its coldest time right now.
Not going back so far it was much warmer 600 years ago than it was during the 1930's or with Dr Hansen's cooked numbers out of NASA.
Satellite readings show that upper atmospheric temps have NOT risen over the past decades. This is key since the whole global warming scare is about CO2 trapping in the suns rays and cooking the earth like a convection oven. In order for that to happen the upper atmosphere must be warming. It is not.
Another evidence of the scam.
The comment about the liberals jumping on Global Warming once the USSR collapsed is right on the money. They tried international socialism with the Soviets, didn't work. They now want to try international socialism through environmentalism. It will collapse as well.
Socialism doesn't work!
Uncap? | 10:08 a.m. July 10, 2009
If the earth cools, will the government then subsidize energy use to help save
the earth fom cooling? Give tax breaks to mega coal fired electric plants for
helping save us all from a fate worse than death? The libs/GW belivers should
have no problem whatsoever with that idea.
Joe Moe | 10:09 a.m. July 10, 2009
It's surprising to me that "Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of
Alabama, Huntsville, Morano" was allowed to publish this kind of ivory
tower heresy. Certainly not in New England. Maybe he can get away with it in
the south, I don't know.
Anonymous | 10:33 a.m. July 10, 2009
A narrow snapshot in time and geography is meaningless. I can't believe
the writer is so dense as to not see that. But there is a political agenda at
play here, or a profit agenda. Clean up, folks. What if it is true? Oh,
whoops, we die.
Anonymous | 10:37 a.m. July 10, 2009
Deroy Murdock is a right winger. No credibility to present a balanced
aregument. In fact, he was an intern for Orrin Hatch. Sorry, but don't
come to this with an agenda. It solves nothing, and perpetuates the status quo.
Lionheart | 10:49 a.m. July 10, 2009
Love it when God and nature confound the puny human mind. Timj and others will
still be beating this GW drum with icicles hanging off their mustache.
Re: anonymous | 11:01 a.m. July 10, 2009
And if it isn't true, whoops we die any way.
Captain Kirk | 11:02 a.m. July 10, 2009
@ Roland Kayser | 9:08 a.m. July 10, 2009
Tuvalu!!!???
FRAUD ALERT!!!!!
(in kirk voice) Must ... Correct ... Falsehoods!
It has not sunk. 11,000 residents have not been displaced.
They just FEAR that this will happen sometime in the next 50 years.
Go look at their official website.
You really need to do more than listen to Al Gore.
Even if it WERE sinking ...
climate change has been happening forever. Things fluctuate. Tuvalu would not be the first island to be swallowed by the sea. Islands were getting made and swallowed well before humans "caused" global warming.
Tuvalu!!!???
FRAUD ALERT!!!!!
(in kirk voice) Must ... Correct ... Falsehoods!
It has not sunk. 11,000 residents have not been displaced.
They just FEAR that this will happen sometime in the next 50 years.
Go look at their official website.
You really need to do more than listen to Al Gore.
Even if it WERE sinking ...
climate change has been happening forever. Things fluctuate. Tuvalu would not be the first island to be swallowed by the sea. Islands were getting made and swallowed well before humans "caused" global warming.
CO2 and the Cooling | 11:15 a.m. July 10, 2009
The increase in CO2 levels in lower atmospheric zones intensifies evaporation
and thus cloud cover. The addition to higher level cloud layers block out the
suns warmth and thus induce a cooling trend which results in thicker clouds and
eventual precipitation - in the form of snow at the cooler zones.
The great Ice Age cometh.
The great Ice Age cometh.
Jon | 11:43 a.m. July 10, 2009
I like the quote from Sorry Charlie: "But its not about saving the
planet... The alarmists, most of them, just want to control our lives. If they
really think they can change the climate of the earth, then they suffer from
'God Complex', where they think they are as powerful as God
himself."
But to help you understand, people who want to control other people's lives DO think they can be greater than God.
If global warming is accepted as real, then the Government can regulate EVERYTHING about our lives.
So much for freedom.
But to help you understand, people who want to control other people's lives DO think they can be greater than God.
If global warming is accepted as real, then the Government can regulate EVERYTHING about our lives.
So much for freedom.
Jon | 12:00 p.m. July 10, 2009
Oh, the big guys promoting this farce is actually calling it "Climate
Change". That way in another 20 years when they realize the CO2 is actually
causing the earth to cool down, they can scream "the earth is cooling"
and still label it under the same package.
If we want to fix the CO2 issue, then tell the government to regulate the sun. The sun can do more to cool or heat the earth in one day than anyone can do their entire lifetime.
If we want to fix the CO2 issue, then tell the government to regulate the sun. The sun can do more to cool or heat the earth in one day than anyone can do their entire lifetime.
It looks like | 1:29 p.m. July 10, 2009
It's looking more and more like the warmists are the ones who are the
"flat-earthers".
Stalwart Sentinel | 1:37 p.m. July 10, 2009
Without doubt, this is a biased piece, just like there are liberals who slant
their opinions.
But in a true effort to find common ground, isn't it prudent for us, as a people, to take steps towards preserving our resources and cleaning up lakes, rivers, etc...? So many republicans on this post talk about how much money is made w/ respect to 'going green' so isn't that a growing part of the economy that begs our attention?
With all the money to be made and the overwhelming support from people and companies (even Chevron tries to pass itself off as environmentally friendly these days) the only explanation for not going green and pursuing this indulgent pecuniary avenue is purely political posturing by republicans who just stick their heels in the sand b/c liberals advocate the act, is it not?
But in a true effort to find common ground, isn't it prudent for us, as a people, to take steps towards preserving our resources and cleaning up lakes, rivers, etc...? So many republicans on this post talk about how much money is made w/ respect to 'going green' so isn't that a growing part of the economy that begs our attention?
With all the money to be made and the overwhelming support from people and companies (even Chevron tries to pass itself off as environmentally friendly these days) the only explanation for not going green and pursuing this indulgent pecuniary avenue is purely political posturing by republicans who just stick their heels in the sand b/c liberals advocate the act, is it not?
Bill Baumgardner Sr. | 2:18 p.m. July 10, 2009
Ha Ha Ha! It is sooooooo good to finally see some truth in print! I have always
known that these 1/2 wits were off their rocker. :) We can not destroy what God
has created to last 'till He sees fit to destroy it & that is FACT
& TRUTH! If you are disappointed, 1/2 wits, stick around, 'cause it
will not be too many more years before He does destroy this earth. Thank you for
the truth & for letting me state my opinion about the TRUTH.
Jon | 2:30 p.m. July 10, 2009
To Stalwart Sentinel...
I am a Republican and politically active. I love technology and the idea of going green for the sake of the economy and I am currently in the process of buying solar for my home. It makes economic sense to save and conserve. I just refuse to take on the name of "climate change" while I do it. Drop the GW "the sky is falling" hysterics and I will back the push to green standing right next to you.
I am a Republican and politically active. I love technology and the idea of going green for the sake of the economy and I am currently in the process of buying solar for my home. It makes economic sense to save and conserve. I just refuse to take on the name of "climate change" while I do it. Drop the GW "the sky is falling" hysterics and I will back the push to green standing right next to you.
Stalwart Sentinel | 3:36 p.m. July 10, 2009
@ Jon
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." I am with you and think it is great you are taking those steps. Honestly, I feel we can all agree that working towards maintaining a clean, healthy environment while stimulating the economy is a win for all. People can choose the side they want re: global climate change, but the point is moot when we come to agreeance re: the aforementioned factors. Thanks for your thoughts.
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." I am with you and think it is great you are taking those steps. Honestly, I feel we can all agree that working towards maintaining a clean, healthy environment while stimulating the economy is a win for all. People can choose the side they want re: global climate change, but the point is moot when we come to agreeance re: the aforementioned factors. Thanks for your thoughts.
Rocket | 3:49 p.m. July 10, 2009
Here are the global climate data for all you pagans who want to force the rest
of us to join your earth-worshipping heathen religion and sacrifice our freedoms
on the altars of your god of global climate change:
Two years ago, as the sun was supposed to be starting the next solar cycle, nothing happened. No sunspots for the new cycle appeared, the total solar irradiance started dropping, and solar wind pressure dropped to lows never before recorded. As a result of the decrease in solar output the earth's climate started cooling quite rapidly as evidenced by people freezing to death in the Andean highlands of Peru and Bolivia, snow for the first time in 80 years in Baghdad and in places on the Arabian peninsula where local dialects have no word for snow because of how infrequently it happens.
Two years ago, as the sun was supposed to be starting the next solar cycle, nothing happened. No sunspots for the new cycle appeared, the total solar irradiance started dropping, and solar wind pressure dropped to lows never before recorded. As a result of the decrease in solar output the earth's climate started cooling quite rapidly as evidenced by people freezing to death in the Andean highlands of Peru and Bolivia, snow for the first time in 80 years in Baghdad and in places on the Arabian peninsula where local dialects have no word for snow because of how infrequently it happens.
Rocket | 3:51 p.m. July 10, 2009
Here in the US, we just had the coldest and snowiest winter in over 80 years or
on record, depending on the location. North Dakota just had its first June
snowstorm in 80 years. Farmers have been unable to plant in the upper Midwest
and into Canada because of the latest’s frosts in decades. National
meteorologists have even warned of the possibility of "a year without a
summer."
None of your priests' computer models predicted any of this, because the models don't include changes in solar output. They have completely neglected the fact that during the past 7 solar cycles the sun was more active than any time since record keeping began in the 1600s.
None of your priests' computer models predicted any of this, because the models don't include changes in solar output. They have completely neglected the fact that during the past 7 solar cycles the sun was more active than any time since record keeping began in the 1600s.
Rocket | 3:52 p.m. July 10, 2009
Do you pagans really expect us all to believe that the sun had no impact in
increasing global temperatures over the past 80 years? Do you really expect us
to believe that there is no correlation between the low solar activity now and
the cooling we are now experiencing?
Thinkin' Man | 5:52 p.m. July 10, 2009
The letter is oversimplified.
But then so is the assertion that CO2 can control climate.
But then so is the assertion that CO2 can control climate.
Rush Junior | 6:00 p.m. July 10, 2009
Obama believes in gw so it must be WRONG.
Few Republican scientists | 6:07 p.m. July 10, 2009
Currently, only 6% of scientists identify themselves as Republican.
@ "Rush Junior | 6:00 p.m." | 8:16 p.m. July 10, 2009
Rush Junior | 6:00 p.m.
When are you going to learn that it doesn't even matter what Obama believes?
Obama himself smokes... Yet Obama has proposed banning smoking for those in the military...? (obviously just the first step which will eventually be expanded as opportunity presents itself).
So evidently it doesn't even matter whether he believes in it or not. Somehow he's special and He can do one thing himself and impose OTHER rules on the rest of us, and evidently he's OK with that.
I suspect Obama and Gore have a MUCH larger carbon footprint than I do. But that doesn't matter... because it's NOT important that THEY believe their own theory... what's important is taking advantage of this crisis and using it to expand the control of government over our lives while they can. While people are actually BEGGING them to do it. Begging the government to take control of their lives, even asking them to turn that control over to some international power-group (that doesn't have the interests of America or American workers or families at heart).
I just don't get it!
When are you going to learn that it doesn't even matter what Obama believes?
Obama himself smokes... Yet Obama has proposed banning smoking for those in the military...? (obviously just the first step which will eventually be expanded as opportunity presents itself).
So evidently it doesn't even matter whether he believes in it or not. Somehow he's special and He can do one thing himself and impose OTHER rules on the rest of us, and evidently he's OK with that.
I suspect Obama and Gore have a MUCH larger carbon footprint than I do. But that doesn't matter... because it's NOT important that THEY believe their own theory... what's important is taking advantage of this crisis and using it to expand the control of government over our lives while they can. While people are actually BEGGING them to do it. Begging the government to take control of their lives, even asking them to turn that control over to some international power-group (that doesn't have the interests of America or American workers or families at heart).
I just don't get it!
@@rush jr | 10:30 p.m. July 10, 2009
Well said my friend, well said. The insane have taken over the asylum.
Murray Dad | 12:15 p.m. July 11, 2009
Re:Jon
"people who want to control other people's live believe they can be greater than GOD"
um, unlike those that believe they can be god's equal?
"people who want to control other people's live believe they can be greater than GOD"
um, unlike those that believe they can be god's equal?
mark | 3:09 p.m. July 11, 2009
""We live in constant fear of the adverse impacts of climate change.
For a coral atoll nation, sea level rise and more severe weather events loom as
a growing threat to our entire population. The threat is real and serious, and
is of no difference to a slow and insidious form of terrorism against
us."
-Saufatu Sopoanga, Prime Minister of Tuvalu, at the 58th Session of the United Nations General Assembly New York, 24th September 2003"
That is from the Tavula web site, Captain Kirk.
-Saufatu Sopoanga, Prime Minister of Tuvalu, at the 58th Session of the United Nations General Assembly New York, 24th September 2003"
That is from the Tavula web site, Captain Kirk.
@mark | 11:30 p.m. July 11, 2009
I'm not Captain Kirk but it looks like your post actually confirmed that
this is just talk of a perceived "threat" and of a "constant
fear" of this perceived threat, not an actual vacating of Tuvalu in
response to actually sinking or submerged islands.
It seems that the PM of Tuvalu, like so many other people, believes that climate change is "real and serious". Yet that doesn't present any proof of a real problem and leaves the debate hanging.
It seems that the PM of Tuvalu, like so many other people, believes that climate change is "real and serious". Yet that doesn't present any proof of a real problem and leaves the debate hanging.
Anonymous | 11:53 p.m. July 11, 2009
I did what most conservative can't seem to do. I checked the source. A guy
working as a economist for EPA and who has never done climate research
isn't an authority on climate. Climate scientist have debunked his 98 page
rehash of antiquated studies using old data that newer methodology disputes. The
fact; he works for a: excuse the oxymoron here, a conservative think tank that
gets funding from Exxon also makes him suspect.
A rule of thumb. Reputable science don't go on the Rush Limbaugh, Hanity or Glen Beck shows. These shows cater to the religion of conservatism.
Conservatism, like religions, have undeniable truths, you memorize mantras to answer any question. You have a messiah: Rush Limbaugh and his disciples, Hanity, Beck and O'Reilly. You have apostates: RINO's.
Believing something and gleaning only people and facts to support your beliefs is the methodology of religion and not science.
Please explain why natural climatic cycles in the past, has anything to do with humans changing our atmosphere today? Any kid studying science knows there is no correlation. We can have past climatic cycles and still have human caused climate change.
A rule of thumb. Reputable science don't go on the Rush Limbaugh, Hanity or Glen Beck shows. These shows cater to the religion of conservatism.
Conservatism, like religions, have undeniable truths, you memorize mantras to answer any question. You have a messiah: Rush Limbaugh and his disciples, Hanity, Beck and O'Reilly. You have apostates: RINO's.
Believing something and gleaning only people and facts to support your beliefs is the methodology of religion and not science.
Please explain why natural climatic cycles in the past, has anything to do with humans changing our atmosphere today? Any kid studying science knows there is no correlation. We can have past climatic cycles and still have human caused climate change.
Jon | 12:10 a.m. July 12, 2009
RE: Murray Dad
If you understood the prominent religion in Utah, then you would understand that they do not believe they would be equal to God. Your understanding is quite WRONG.
To help you understand, if I have a hero like, say my dad and strive all my life to be like him, that still doesn't make me an equal to him. He would always remain my father and would always deserve my greatest respect.
Please get your facts straight before posting incorrect assumptions of other's beliefs.
If you understood the prominent religion in Utah, then you would understand that they do not believe they would be equal to God. Your understanding is quite WRONG.
To help you understand, if I have a hero like, say my dad and strive all my life to be like him, that still doesn't make me an equal to him. He would always remain my father and would always deserve my greatest respect.
Please get your facts straight before posting incorrect assumptions of other's beliefs.
Facts | 12:44 a.m. July 12, 2009
Why is it that the liberals that push for global warming say it is a fact that
we are causing it, but provide not facts to support their argument? Only
pictures of ice melting etc. Yes, temperatures are changing BOTH slightly
higher and lower in different areas, that is climate change that has naturally
occurred for millions of years, where is the proof that man is responsible? No
PROOF has EVER been presented other than a bunch of liberal scientists (group
think) agree man must be responsible, because that will help support their huge
cap and trade tax increases for the low and middle class! They all have an
agenda and slander any scientist that does not agree with them regardless of
FACTS!
Conservatives point to FACTS of cooling in many areas, millions of years of natural climate change and that amount of co2 that does not come from man being far higher than man made and the Liberals refuse to listen to anything that has logic and facts behind it when it does not support their agenda!
Conservatives point to FACTS of cooling in many areas, millions of years of natural climate change and that amount of co2 that does not come from man being far higher than man made and the Liberals refuse to listen to anything that has logic and facts behind it when it does not support their agenda!
a couple of | 1:21 a.m. July 12, 2009
random warm temperatures and two guys froze to death in South Africa in winter
are unmistakable signs of global cooling, huh? Probably if the reporter had any
vestige of scientific credentials there night be something to his story. But he
doesn't, so that's all it is - a story. It's been hotter than
normal here in Dallas for a few weeks - hey Delroy - now it's global
warming, right?
rvalens2 | 1:59 a.m. July 12, 2009
But if Global Warming isn't true what will the government use to control
our lives and tax us to death?
Mary Fletcher | 2:45 a.m. July 12, 2009
Except, when the polar caps are done melting away, there wont be anymore cooler
mists, and temps. Then what will you say?
@ Anonymous | 7:10 a.m. July 12, 2009
Yes, you did what conservatives don't do. Because the source isn't
important. We pick our fights with the data. Liberals like to slay the messenger
and ignore the data completely.
What contra-evidence did you submit? Nothing. Zilch.
What contra-evidence did you submit? Nothing. Zilch.
To Annonymous 11:53 | 7:21 a.m. July 12, 2009
And speaking of correlation, what evidence do you have that substantiates the
claim that humans have affected climate change, warmer or cooler?
Read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. A work of fiction, but the story line is validated and documented with scientific fact and references. Enjoy the read and the opportunity to learn something at the same time from an unexpected source.
Read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. A work of fiction, but the story line is validated and documented with scientific fact and references. Enjoy the read and the opportunity to learn something at the same time from an unexpected source.
Terrace | 11:29 a.m. July 13, 2009
One thing conspicuously absent from his argument was the average global
temperature. He gave a few anecdotal temperatures. We all know that weather
fluctuates, its the long term average that is trending upward. I don't know
where he has been the last ten years but all the real scientific reports that I
have read showed record high average temperatures the last 10-12 years. Global
warming is not shown by the "consensus" among scientists that does
exists, but is shown by the overwhelming amount of evidence showing that warming
is occurring. This politicized argument spun by oil people with their oil money
is really getting old. Politics should not be informing science, rather science
should be informing politics.
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What does this mean? Global warming is a fraud perpetrated by those who believe in redistribution of wealth and the deindustrialization of America.
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