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Miles | 12:24 a.m. July 9, 2009
Fatigued? If anyone is fatigued it is me from all the typing on here. Guess we
drafted another bunch of non-tough players to go along with the ones we already
have on the team. Well at least there will be team chemistry next year. No
defense but everyone will get along!
None of the Jazz looked | 12:33 a.m. July 9, 2009
good. I have watched all 3 games. This is not a good team. Are the other teams
doing 2 a days? They seem to be doing just fine?
Hans looked good. He could have stepped in and replaced Millsap (going to POR?). Maybe the Jazz can spot another PF who they can pick up for cheap who can play this year.
Hans looked good. He could have stepped in and replaced Millsap (going to POR?). Maybe the Jazz can spot another PF who they can pick up for cheap who can play this year.
Carter | 7:39 a.m. July 9, 2009
you guys are fickle, it's summer league, no need to be so uptight. maynor
at least busting his butt to compete, he played in a mid-major conference
similar to suu. give the kid a chance, he is doin the right things to become a
true competitor. remember in summer league, no memo, booze, deron, brewer, or
anyone else. the jazz will be fine. too bad they let fes come back
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Question | 8:08 a.m. July 9, 2009
Aren't the other teams having the same schedule? We shouldn't be more
fatigued than anyone else???
The Truth | 8:37 a.m. July 9, 2009
Don't the Jazz have like 15 players on their roster while other teams have
only 8 to 10. Instead of Maynor playing 20 minutes every day. They should have
given him 30 + on M,W,F and played Kruger on Tue and Thurs but what do I
know....the Orlando Summer league is crap anyway. Shame on the NBA for selling
out to Vegas and screwing over the Jazz's summer league which was doing
them a good thing for like what 20 years. Who would design a summer league that
plays 5 games in a row...isn't that putting your draft picks at risk for an
injury before they even make it to training camp. Jazz picks were borderline
anyway Maynor? so far he can't shoot, can't finish at the rim. At
least now he will have the facilities to really pump some iron. I think that is
just an excuse anyone can find ways to work out to get stronger. The Jazz second
pick was a waste, I think he will be playing in europe next year, he is at best
a borderline NBA athlete!
Sneaky Jimmy | 9:24 a.m. July 9, 2009
Maynor and AK should step on the scale together. They may break 200lbs. Both are
weak and skinny. Both should be playing in Israel or Turkey.
todd from santa ana | 9:50 a.m. July 9, 2009
Hee hee
"gee we played 3 games in 3 days"
Guess what? So has everyone else in that league. Jazz giving up lot of points even here....remember "4" 10 minute quarters
The Jazz better hope Phoenix or The Cloppers do not improve theyre squads or the jazz may not even make the playoffs. I for one am "sick and tired" of watching
our" competitors get better and better
Mr. Marion is not washed up. Trust me he will help Dallas They will win 50 games
"gee we played 3 games in 3 days"
Guess what? So has everyone else in that league. Jazz giving up lot of points even here....remember "4" 10 minute quarters
The Jazz better hope Phoenix or The Cloppers do not improve theyre squads or the jazz may not even make the playoffs. I for one am "sick and tired" of watching
our" competitors get better and better
Mr. Marion is not washed up. Trust me he will help Dallas They will win 50 games
re: Todd | 10:16 a.m. July 9, 2009
Save it.
Our competitiors (Dallas) just re signed a washed up PG to a 3 year deal. Marion is past his prime. He was an absolute non factor in Toronto. I saw some of their games and hardly noticed when he was on the floor.
Marion will be better with Kidd passing to him but as long as they have all the "softies" they do on their team I am not concerned.
IF we are HEALTHY (yes I know thats a big if) we are better than every team in the W. Conference except Lakers and maybe Spurs (yet to be determined with addition of Jefferson--Duncans knees are declining FAST).
Teams make all these trades and rarely does it make them much better.
Lakers win and they made no "material" trades last offseason. Kept their core unit together and focused on playing better together--the exact same philosphy the Jazz use. Celtics/Garnett injured= Lakers win.
Injuries killed us last season.
Good grief--with 10 games to go we were still within reach of the 2nd seed in the West..even with all the injuries!!!
I understand the cup is always half empty for you though.
Our competitiors (Dallas) just re signed a washed up PG to a 3 year deal. Marion is past his prime. He was an absolute non factor in Toronto. I saw some of their games and hardly noticed when he was on the floor.
Marion will be better with Kidd passing to him but as long as they have all the "softies" they do on their team I am not concerned.
IF we are HEALTHY (yes I know thats a big if) we are better than every team in the W. Conference except Lakers and maybe Spurs (yet to be determined with addition of Jefferson--Duncans knees are declining FAST).
Teams make all these trades and rarely does it make them much better.
Lakers win and they made no "material" trades last offseason. Kept their core unit together and focused on playing better together--the exact same philosphy the Jazz use. Celtics/Garnett injured= Lakers win.
Injuries killed us last season.
Good grief--with 10 games to go we were still within reach of the 2nd seed in the West..even with all the injuries!!!
I understand the cup is always half empty for you though.
todd to 1016 am | 12:31 p.m. July 9, 2009
prove I am wrong. By the way Ron Artest will probably do more to help the
Lakers in that environment than Ariza. By the way what did the injuries have to
do with an (8-17) finish. Do not tell me the road schedule..
You are right I have been negative the last few months. Who truly would not be?
The defense last year how is it all of a sudden going to get better? Sloan or the players do theyre job what about leaving shooters open all night. Talk about soft? Okur...cmon..
when these issues are fixed, I will be happy to be Snow White or anyone else you guys want me to be and I will praise-incidentally I do praise when there is praise to be had, even for "sloan and his--sloanaholics"
You are right I have been negative the last few months. Who truly would not be?
The defense last year how is it all of a sudden going to get better? Sloan or the players do theyre job what about leaving shooters open all night. Talk about soft? Okur...cmon..
when these issues are fixed, I will be happy to be Snow White or anyone else you guys want me to be and I will praise-incidentally I do praise when there is praise to be had, even for "sloan and his--sloanaholics"
KJ | 12:33 p.m. July 9, 2009
@ Todd
I'm with you regarding the Mavs. They've made some good moves, and 55 wins isn't out the question for that team. Aging or not, a starting lineup comprised of Kidd, J. Howard, Marion, Nowitzki, Dampier/Gortat creates a lot of headaches for opposing teams. They should be fun to watch. Would you take it over the Jazz starting five? Keep in mind, Marion, Howard and Dampier/Gortat are all pretty solid defenders.
I'm with you regarding the Mavs. They've made some good moves, and 55 wins isn't out the question for that team. Aging or not, a starting lineup comprised of Kidd, J. Howard, Marion, Nowitzki, Dampier/Gortat creates a lot of headaches for opposing teams. They should be fun to watch. Would you take it over the Jazz starting five? Keep in mind, Marion, Howard and Dampier/Gortat are all pretty solid defenders.
todd to kj | 12:45 p.m. July 9, 2009
Them and the Jazz will have similar seasons, I trust the Mavs will get better
before the Jazz unless next year the Jazz use the available cap relief and
restructure this roster. Kidd can still play well, maybe not every night. I do
not care how bad Marion looked in Toronto, it could have been a number of
reasons such as a dead, stale franchise. Dallas enviroment, upbeat Owner,
excellent and better head coach than ours, good team-i thought they finished
last season well. I see about 51-52 wins..
Chadders | 1:10 p.m. July 9, 2009
todd I want to agree with you about Dallas but I just can't. Kidd gets
absolutely annihalted by guards like Dwill, CP3, Roy, Rondo, Harrris, etc.
It's a PG league right now, and it's a little hypocritical to complain
about the Jazz's D but say Dallas has a better shot than us. Also if Okur
is soft, Dirk is a babies backside. You, KJ, or me could drop 25 points with irk
"defending" us. I agree Dallas can probably win 50 games but they are
not going anywhere once the playoffs start. Something that doesn't get
brought up a lot is if the Jazz can just be an average to slightly below average
away team we could have a great record next year. With our talent and homecourt
advantage the Jazz will probably only lose at most 5 games at home next year.
But I would bet the Jazz only lose 3. That would be 38 wins right there. With
only 15 away wins we are at 51-53 wins. With 20 away wins we are at 56-58.
Chadders | 1:38 p.m. July 9, 2009
BTW if Portland is series about offering Millsap so much money the Jazz should
sign Bass with the MLE. He is 24 years old a legit 6'8 250lbs. In only 19.4
minutes a game he averaged 8.5 points and 4.5 rebs, he shoots about 87% FT and
just a touch under 50% FG. Or Gooden 27 years old 6'10 250lbs. In 24.8 mpg
he averaged about 11.9 points 7.1 rebs 84% FT and 47%FG. If everyone's
numbers were adjusted to consider how many more chances there are for Millsap vs
Bass and Gooden, then you realize there are cheaper players that produce the
same or maybe even better than Paul. Granted it doesn't seem likely POR
would rather have Millsap than Lee. They would probably be the only team that
would. We should be fine next year, assuming we don't have every single
player missing games and all of our key players with injuries.
todd to chadders | 1:40 p.m. July 9, 2009
as usual you do have good logic. You cannot assume the Jazz will be that great
every year at home, Chadders. That puts lot of pressure to keep up the home
magic. I see about 32-9 and 18-23 road for 50-32. I would like and be happy
with the home record of 32,33 wins and going 21-20 road. Now you have a chance
at top 4 because I feel below that it is very very hard to win a title having to
3 series with road disavantage in playoffs. Dallas is soft defensively. Jason
terry when he is off to me I do not care what the rest do. he singlehandedly
won a game I watched last year in Philly, terry to me is the MVP on Dallas.
Chadders: I want to hear things this summer like this and then my mood changes more upbeat
Ron Brewer worked very hard over the summer and took hundreds of jump shots and worked on his game to really go forward this season and solve #2 issue. he has the talent
Okur and Boozer worked hard to be in great condition and quicker and smarter defensively
Chadders: I want to hear things this summer like this and then my mood changes more upbeat
Ron Brewer worked very hard over the summer and took hundreds of jump shots and worked on his game to really go forward this season and solve #2 issue. he has the talent
Okur and Boozer worked hard to be in great condition and quicker and smarter defensively
Chadders | 2:07 p.m. July 9, 2009
The Jazz have been in the top 3-5 home records the last 3 years (granted that is
off the top of my head). That's why I believe we shouldn't lose more
than 5 home games. Traditionally it is very hard for an away team to come to
Utah and win. Be it the against the Jazz, RSL, the Utes, the Cougars, or even
the Blaze. There are a lot of very passionate sports fans here. Granted a lot of
them don't fully understand what goes on or what matters. But they are
passionate still. Most fans would rather not win a ring with say a Rasheed or
RonRon than just be competative and have "good guys" on the team. I am
a little more in the middle. Let's face it almost no one in the NBA is a
saint. There are certain people I wouldn't want to see play for the Jazz
like the rapist, Melo, Manu, etc. Not because they aren't good players just
because I hate them. I would cheer if they won us a ring but I would still hate
them. This team could use a "badguy" to balance out.
@Chadders | 2:07 p.m. July 9, 2009
I wish I could agree with you but if you look at the top defensive teams they
are the teams that went deep into the playoffs. Defense, as measured by
opponents FG%.
Until the Jazz find a defense that works much better than the one they have (healthy or not) they are not going to be great. Also until the Jazz start winning on the road they are not winning the West. Go look at the stats over a number of years on teams with losing road records in the playoffs.
I agree that Millsap can be replace cheaply, especially as a back up. His numbers really improved when he started but fell back when Boozer started.
Millsap is a very average back up who can turn it up for a while if he starts. That is based on the actual numbers he put up last year.
Until the Jazz find a defense that works much better than the one they have (healthy or not) they are not going to be great. Also until the Jazz start winning on the road they are not winning the West. Go look at the stats over a number of years on teams with losing road records in the playoffs.
I agree that Millsap can be replace cheaply, especially as a back up. His numbers really improved when he started but fell back when Boozer started.
Millsap is a very average back up who can turn it up for a while if he starts. That is based on the actual numbers he put up last year.
KJ | 2:11 p.m. July 9, 2009
@ Chadders
I completely agree with you that there are a bevy of young, highly-skilled PGs in the league, but is it really a PG league? The two teams battling for a championship this past season boasted Derrick Fisher and Rafer Alston as their starting PGs. That's what I call below-average talent at the position. On the other hand, not a one of those guys on your list (Dwill, CP3, Roy, Rondo, Harris) went deep in the playoffs, one didn't even make the playoffs (Harris). I guess what I'm saying is Kidd's deficiencies won't matter nearly as much if the talent around him excels. With Nowitzki, Marion, Howard, Terry, Gortat surrounding him, and the possibility of Bass returning, there's a good chance that happens.
I completely agree with you that there are a bevy of young, highly-skilled PGs in the league, but is it really a PG league? The two teams battling for a championship this past season boasted Derrick Fisher and Rafer Alston as their starting PGs. That's what I call below-average talent at the position. On the other hand, not a one of those guys on your list (Dwill, CP3, Roy, Rondo, Harris) went deep in the playoffs, one didn't even make the playoffs (Harris). I guess what I'm saying is Kidd's deficiencies won't matter nearly as much if the talent around him excels. With Nowitzki, Marion, Howard, Terry, Gortat surrounding him, and the possibility of Bass returning, there's a good chance that happens.
LOl | 2:34 p.m. July 9, 2009
Too funny Chadders...when you compare adjusted numbers there are not any cheap
players in the NBA that perform close to Millsap's level. Go look at the
Hollinger's PER rating which makes this exact comparison and you see that
Millsap was the 45th best player in the entire league and Utah's second
highest rated player, yes above Okur, Boozer and the rest.
TJ | 2:41 p.m. July 9, 2009
To KJ and Chadders
I don't know if I would say it is a PG league but how about we change that to a Guard league. Kobe many times runs the point although he is not a PG. Hedo ran the point a lot and he is not a PG. It seems to me that the league is becoming a guard league. Not a PG league. The top contenders are ones that have a very good guard or point forward but that guard can be a shooting guard like Kobe. I wouldn't say PG league but a guard league
I don't know if I would say it is a PG league but how about we change that to a Guard league. Kobe many times runs the point although he is not a PG. Hedo ran the point a lot and he is not a PG. It seems to me that the league is becoming a guard league. Not a PG league. The top contenders are ones that have a very good guard or point forward but that guard can be a shooting guard like Kobe. I wouldn't say PG league but a guard league
Miles | 3:20 p.m. July 9, 2009
Did you know that CJ is taking 2,000 jumpers a day. Running 10 miles and
lifting weights for 2 hours. He is going to dominate next year if Jerry will
just give him the ball.
todd to miles | 3:44 p.m. July 9, 2009
you are serious right? If so I thank you and that is the kind of effort this
summer will be needed for us to go where we need to. I still say the personnel
if coached and playing to abilities is no worse than 3rd in the West. However,
there has to effort for 82 games and everyone on same page. If CJ is doing this
that is great great news and we will see the results
Chadders | 4:20 p.m. July 9, 2009
KJ you have a good point for last year. I was talking about going forward. Why
else would Rubio be such a high pick? Defense is very important to winning but
it isn't everything. It takes some luck to win the championship. If KG
didn't go down Rondo would have won a ring again. The Jazz could have beat
the Lakers if someone else showed up with Dwill last year. I really hope CJ is
working out like Miles is claiming. In the past few years teams have needed a
very, very good PG to win. Spurs have Parker (who I hate), Boston has Rondo,
Dwade is really a combo guard (though officially called a SG), Pistons had
Billups (the same guy who took the Thuggets so far last year) and the Lakers
rings were when Fisher was loads better. BTW Fisher isn't a bad PG he is
just too old now (bad person however is a debate for another day). Head to head
I don't think any PG can beat Dwill. He is a bigger stronger Stockton. Dude
can pass with the best of em but knows when to shoot. Even Kobe called him
great!
Chadders | 4:39 p.m. July 9, 2009
Oh yeah, quick note about Millsap. I love the guy but he is not a top 50 NBA
talent. With a different system he probably still gets close to 10 rebs but
probably only 11 points tops. The analogy I would use for PFs with the Jazz is
like NFL RBs with the Broncos. Pretty much any athlete 6'8 or taller could
put up at least good #s as the Jazz PF. Just like almost any RB would run for a
ton of yards with the Broncos. IT IS THE SYSTEM!!! Does anyone remember how
great Donyell Marshall looked on the Jazz? What has he done since? You have to
be absolutely terrible to not have decent numbers as the PF for the Jazz. Almost
everything goes through the PF. That's why Millsap gets overvalued. I would
be shoked if he produced even near the same numbers anywhere else. I'd bet
Bass and Gooden would have better numbers than Millsap in the Jazz system. The
Jazz system made AK an allstar and a max money guy when he played PF. Boozer was
Bass before he came here.
Miles | 4:59 p.m. July 9, 2009
@Chadders.......I like your analogy of the "System". That is why I
would love to see Millsap leave just to prove that he isn't worth half the
money that everyone on here wants to give him. Same with Boozer. I am starting
to like the idea of Bass in place of Millsap or just move AK back to the 4 and
be done with the spending until we get rid of Boozer, Memo and Korver next
spring. Honesty I think that Memo, Boozer and Millsap will all be average
players after they leave the nest. For that reason I don't think Memo will
ever leave.
RE: re: Todd | 10:16 a.m | 6:16 p.m. July 9, 2009
The Jazz were "healthy" the previous season, with materially the same
team, and they really didn't do much better.
IF you are counting on "Health" making any difference,
you are just wishin' an' hopin',
like all the other blindly supporting and foolishly supporting jazz fans.
Th jazz DO NOT have the team to win a championship, no matter how healthy they are or how long they wait,
They only have one legimate star, deron williams,
some supporting cast, role players, bench players like okur, ak, brewer, perhaps korver and boozer,
and NO dominant big man.
NO star 2 or 3,
and NO one that can handle the ball and make things happen when you need it.
So how are they ever going to win a championship?
All the jazz management are interested in is keeping the jazz a successeful BUSINESS,
by keep having winning seasons and selling t-shirts and tickets.
IF you are counting on "Health" making any difference,
you are just wishin' an' hopin',
like all the other blindly supporting and foolishly supporting jazz fans.
Th jazz DO NOT have the team to win a championship, no matter how healthy they are or how long they wait,
They only have one legimate star, deron williams,
some supporting cast, role players, bench players like okur, ak, brewer, perhaps korver and boozer,
and NO dominant big man.
NO star 2 or 3,
and NO one that can handle the ball and make things happen when you need it.
So how are they ever going to win a championship?
All the jazz management are interested in is keeping the jazz a successeful BUSINESS,
by keep having winning seasons and selling t-shirts and tickets.
Anonymous | 8:43 p.m. July 9, 2009
Wilsap might not be the top like the other person said but, other then a
hand,finger. I would rather have a player that will always be there for the
team. I think boozer is a good player but, take a shot and work through the
pain, be a team player.
todd from santa ana | 10:17 p.m. July 9, 2009
It means "zero". However, the spirit is great to see maybe that can
spread to this parent team.
Tonight the Jazz rallied from a 21 point deficit after 3 quarters (10 minute quarters) and rallied for 92-84 win in overtime,
The Jazz won ot (3 min) 8-0 Brown led 25 points, Kevin Krueger (who no one thinks can play) scored 16 in 22 minutes. Goran 10 boards.
Maynor only 1-5 in this one. I sure hope he shoots better when it counts than these games so far.
Tonight the Jazz rallied from a 21 point deficit after 3 quarters (10 minute quarters) and rallied for 92-84 win in overtime,
The Jazz won ot (3 min) 8-0 Brown led 25 points, Kevin Krueger (who no one thinks can play) scored 16 in 22 minutes. Goran 10 boards.
Maynor only 1-5 in this one. I sure hope he shoots better when it counts than these games so far.
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