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Just wondering | 5:00 p.m. July 8, 2009
Why is it that Health Insurance and employers MUST go hand in hand? Why
can't we let the free-market system work in the health insurance system as
it does in other areas? For example, with car insurance if you don't like
the service you're getting you can just go somewhere else which creates
competition. Wreckless driving increases a person's auto insurance.
Sorry, but if you choose to engage in behavior that is a health risk (like
smoking) then you should have to pay more in health insurance. I think
employers should have NOTHING to do with providing health insurance. It should
be a matter that is handled between the insurance companies and customers. The
government should not get involved. If employers no longer were required to
provide health insurance, they could pass their savings onto their employees by
way of pay increases. Then, each person would get to CHOOSE how to spend their
money and be responsible for their own insurance. Maybe if people actually have
to DO something, they would be more inclined to live a healthier lifestyle!
What a mess!
Brett Jones | 5:32 p.m. July 8, 2009
Maybe someday we can get past hiding behind party lines and talking points and
do what is right for people. Utah businesses want and need public health
insurance, as they recognize it to be vital for the improvement of our economy.
Unfortunately, too many have been manipulated by the fear mongering press and
politicians on the payroll of the insurance industry.
Not everybody who gets sick, by the way, has engaged in "wreckless [sic]" behavior. Some people just get cancer, or have heredetary health problems, or get sick from "wreckless" and under regulated industry polluting our air, soil and water.
Read the article...really. I love the line about how "People criticize other health-care systems around the world, but this is the one that is twice as expensive as any other and is the only country on earth where if you get sick enough, you will lose your house. And for some reason, we're fine with that."
Not everybody who gets sick, by the way, has engaged in "wreckless [sic]" behavior. Some people just get cancer, or have heredetary health problems, or get sick from "wreckless" and under regulated industry polluting our air, soil and water.
Read the article...really. I love the line about how "People criticize other health-care systems around the world, but this is the one that is twice as expensive as any other and is the only country on earth where if you get sick enough, you will lose your house. And for some reason, we're fine with that."
WorldRankings | 3:19 a.m. July 9, 2009
Finally an article with truth. Take a look at international Healthcare
ratings.
United States is the number 1 spender, the most money on healthcare in the world because it is privatized.
The United States is rated 72nd level of health and 37th in performance.
Lets learn and apply systems that are working in countrys that are better and have universal healthcare.
To much greed from bankers invested in the pharmacuetical and insurance industry who do not want to see this changed to a government system.
Check more international facts. These stats are provided by the World Health Organization. Do an internet search for: country ranking health who.
Another Reality Fact. Germans like quality and Japanese like to take whatever works and makes it better. This was not always the case but they changed to survive and so can the United States change to survive.
The United States needs to reverse the downhill health trend for it to survive economically.
A Healthy Nation boosts the economy.
A non profit government system is a good start.
United States is the number 1 spender, the most money on healthcare in the world because it is privatized.
The United States is rated 72nd level of health and 37th in performance.
Lets learn and apply systems that are working in countrys that are better and have universal healthcare.
To much greed from bankers invested in the pharmacuetical and insurance industry who do not want to see this changed to a government system.
Check more international facts. These stats are provided by the World Health Organization. Do an internet search for: country ranking health who.
Another Reality Fact. Germans like quality and Japanese like to take whatever works and makes it better. This was not always the case but they changed to survive and so can the United States change to survive.
The United States needs to reverse the downhill health trend for it to survive economically.
A Healthy Nation boosts the economy.
A non profit government system is a good start.
Comments continue below
No government involved | 3:26 a.m. July 9, 2009
One more expense for business to pawn off on the government. Employers are the
beneficiaries of healthy employees and safety on the job and should share the
cost of insurance and employee health care.
Business has far too long been undermining employee wages using cheap illegal labor. Business seems to forget that its employees are its backbone and the ones who make a company grow or go out of business. Employers should share their profits with employees whether its in the form of benefits in assisted health care insurance or higher wages. But the national trend of business is to screw its employees and cut their wages, especially in Utah.
I've been waiting for the corporate owners to get in on the band wagon on this issue just use another argument of employees costing too much to employ. To nationalize any health care will be disastrous for employees and america and ultimately these business owners. Health care insurance should be a shared expense of employee and employer, and government must stay out of this issue.
We are in america and what other countries do is of no concern in the working americans health care.
Business has far too long been undermining employee wages using cheap illegal labor. Business seems to forget that its employees are its backbone and the ones who make a company grow or go out of business. Employers should share their profits with employees whether its in the form of benefits in assisted health care insurance or higher wages. But the national trend of business is to screw its employees and cut their wages, especially in Utah.
I've been waiting for the corporate owners to get in on the band wagon on this issue just use another argument of employees costing too much to employ. To nationalize any health care will be disastrous for employees and america and ultimately these business owners. Health care insurance should be a shared expense of employee and employer, and government must stay out of this issue.
We are in america and what other countries do is of no concern in the working americans health care.
itsmeagn | 3:49 a.m. July 9, 2009
The big cause is waist. No testing = no correct diagnosis = repeat visits = Doc
perscibing wrong meds, usually for Hypochondria,Depression, ADHD, Bipoler or
whatever the popular excuse is for incompitance. Repeat visits cost money and so
do progressive illnesses.Surgery or death costs more than an MRI,EKG, xrays,etc.
Does it take a Rocket scientist to save money and keep costs down? Apparently it
takes more than an insurance company and a Doctor with a "I'm better
than you," medical degree.
I'm not even going into the wrong meds that are given for the bad diagnosis, like Paxil, Pozac,and whatevers the in thing at the time. Come on! They only have time to see a patient for five minutes tops. My mechanic spends more time on my car, costs less and keeps my car running great.Imagin that.Doing what he's trained to do. Should we expect less from Doctors and Insurance companies? NO WAY! WE WANT WHAT WE PAY FOR and we want them to spend the money wiser so more can afford insurance. Not much to ask, but well worth asking. Just my 2 cents and my life on the line.
I'm not even going into the wrong meds that are given for the bad diagnosis, like Paxil, Pozac,and whatevers the in thing at the time. Come on! They only have time to see a patient for five minutes tops. My mechanic spends more time on my car, costs less and keeps my car running great.Imagin that.Doing what he's trained to do. Should we expect less from Doctors and Insurance companies? NO WAY! WE WANT WHAT WE PAY FOR and we want them to spend the money wiser so more can afford insurance. Not much to ask, but well worth asking. Just my 2 cents and my life on the line.
Crime less Preexisting Condition | 4:37 a.m. July 9, 2009
Juvenile crime is less of a burden than a preexisting medical condition. If you
rob a store as a juvenile at least your record is sealed when you become an
adult. Not so with medical records. If you had a condition as a child, it
follows you through out your life. Small companies may loose their coverage if
they hire you. We do have the worst medical insurance in the world.
Reality | 5:39 a.m. July 9, 2009
When I was in Canada on their public health program they wanted me to wait six
months for a simple surgery that would help my with my urinary problems. I told
them to stick it and flew to the U.S. and paid out of pocket to get it done. in
essence Canada had property rights over my bladder not me. That is what big
government gives you. NOTHING! They take away your freedoms. The U.S. has the
best health care system. Obama wants to give us something worse than what we
already have.
Hey Worldrankings... | 7:46 a.m. July 9, 2009
Those rankings don't tell the full story about either the quality of care
we have in the US or some of the unique problems we face that contribute to
them. Just ask a Canadian or Brit how great they think their system works when
they have serious problems.
The AMA outlined to Obama what they perceive as the major problem in spiraling costs, tort lawyers run amok over the system. Doctors have to practice defensive medicine, order unnecessary and expensive tests, and pay higher and higher malpractice premiums each year to cover themselves. Anyone with half a brain know those costs are passed on to the system and individuals in the form of higher premiums each year.
Secondly, the obesity rate in the US has doubled since 1990 and is by far the highest in the world. This also coincides with the time frame healthcare costs began spiraling upward on a yearly basis. If more isn't done to change Americans lifestyles and get people back to personal accountability in taking charge of their own health, "healthcare reform" will do nothing more than make this epidemic worse and will be akin to putting a bandaid on a hemmorage.
The AMA outlined to Obama what they perceive as the major problem in spiraling costs, tort lawyers run amok over the system. Doctors have to practice defensive medicine, order unnecessary and expensive tests, and pay higher and higher malpractice premiums each year to cover themselves. Anyone with half a brain know those costs are passed on to the system and individuals in the form of higher premiums each year.
Secondly, the obesity rate in the US has doubled since 1990 and is by far the highest in the world. This also coincides with the time frame healthcare costs began spiraling upward on a yearly basis. If more isn't done to change Americans lifestyles and get people back to personal accountability in taking charge of their own health, "healthcare reform" will do nothing more than make this epidemic worse and will be akin to putting a bandaid on a hemmorage.
CJ3 | 9:00 a.m. July 9, 2009
The required multiple insurance policies, and taxes businesses have to pay are
the biggest hurdle impeding the backbone of the country's economy. It is
simply too expensive to pay everyone and your employees too.
I have never hired illegal workers and neither do most employers. I never had insurance or even Workers Comp coverage on myself, while having to cover employess...couldn't afford it.
Costs combine to create the biggest deterent for small business, what built this country in the first place: The bigger you get, the less money you make. Small business doesn't get the breaks of big business, and more and more of my independent business customers are disappearing, limiting your choices, consumer.
I realized in the first year of business here that I net the same amount of money by myself as I did employing a dozen people previously, something I did for nearly a decade. Less headaches, same money...hmm, tough one.
As a result I did all the work myself for the last five years, and my body is paying for it now. Without insurance, it took 3 years and dozens of visits different doctors to diagnose the problem, btw.
I have never hired illegal workers and neither do most employers. I never had insurance or even Workers Comp coverage on myself, while having to cover employess...couldn't afford it.
Costs combine to create the biggest deterent for small business, what built this country in the first place: The bigger you get, the less money you make. Small business doesn't get the breaks of big business, and more and more of my independent business customers are disappearing, limiting your choices, consumer.
I realized in the first year of business here that I net the same amount of money by myself as I did employing a dozen people previously, something I did for nearly a decade. Less headaches, same money...hmm, tough one.
As a result I did all the work myself for the last five years, and my body is paying for it now. Without insurance, it took 3 years and dozens of visits different doctors to diagnose the problem, btw.
A Small Business | 9:20 a.m. July 9, 2009
Say what you will, (80% of) the people have spoken.
It is still "We the people" right?
It is still "We the people" right?
Clare | 9:21 a.m. July 9, 2009
Why don't these small businesses get together and create a larger pool of
employees? When you do this, you can greatly reduce your premiums and the
insurance companies are more likely to give you a better deal. The greater the
pool, the more attractive deal for insurance companies as this pool makes it
more likely that there will be a greater chance of profit.
Greg | 9:36 a.m. July 9, 2009
To just wondering: Health insurance is not analagous to car insurance because
Socialist governments don't usually provde government car insurance or
government mandated car insurance, even though transportation can be as big a
factor in maintaining employment as health. The risk is different because
drivers can control their actions but we can't always control injuries,
cancer or other non-lifestyle related illnesses. Not all drivers can get car
insurance because of loss experience. If health insurance is sold based on loss
experience many people would be uninsurable. Who should pay for health
insurance for the uninsurable? Does the right to have health insurance rise to
the level of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? What
about the "right" to housing, a car, air travel, clothing. How does
government decide which rights to protect and not protect?
Debbie | 9:44 a.m. July 9, 2009
PEHP covers small groups that have government affiliation as a LGRP (Local
Government Risk Pool) - this includes even tiny communities with one or two
employees. This way they get to take advantage of large group rates. The same
could work with small business if they would just do it! Combine for the better
rate which is exactly what will be happening if we go to single payer/government
programs. Seems like a no-brainer to me. If private industry would tackle the
problem of finding a way to cover the uninsured, the ineffective government
would not have to.
ds | 9:51 a.m. July 9, 2009
Can we do away with insurance all together? I pay these guys and they've
never done anything to make me healthier. All they do is hassle me when they
get a claim.
Listening | 9:52 a.m. July 9, 2009
Itsmeagn accidently hit the nail on the head "The big cause is
waist." For far too many its too much wasit.
LARRY | 9:57 a.m. July 9, 2009
There are always a lot of health care libertarians on these blogs. I think
it's a valid option, but it can't be a halfway deal.
1) No goverment health care. Return what money old folks have paid in to medicare. Then let them go find policies. 80 year olds with preexisting conditions. Should be interesting.
2) This business of families stashing assets so Grandma is on the goverment's dime at the care center would end. They either pay their own way or let their kid's take care of them.
3)If some one doesn't have insurance or cash & needs emergency care, just have a spot out by the hospital dumpster to haul them. No free lunch.
1) No goverment health care. Return what money old folks have paid in to medicare. Then let them go find policies. 80 year olds with preexisting conditions. Should be interesting.
2) This business of families stashing assets so Grandma is on the goverment's dime at the care center would end. They either pay their own way or let their kid's take care of them.
3)If some one doesn't have insurance or cash & needs emergency care, just have a spot out by the hospital dumpster to haul them. No free lunch.
Whatever, Larry | 10:15 a.m. July 9, 2009
"Lots of liberterians"
???
Read the article. Nearly 75% of respondants were not even democrats. Nice try, though.
???
Read the article. Nearly 75% of respondants were not even democrats. Nice try, though.
Group plans are the problem | 10:26 a.m. July 9, 2009
Why do people that work for the evil large corporations have such good
healthcare? Because they can spread the health cost risk across a large number
of employees. Why did we create laws that prevents companies from forming large
groups to share the risk? It makes no sense that a small business owner
can't join with others in getting a discounted rate. If we did this, I
would bet we could reduce costs to both employer and employee.
Caleby | 10:50 a.m. July 9, 2009
What gives government the right to take some people's property to give
somebody else free health care? Just because the government does it
doesn't mean it's not stealing. For you smart people, please let me
know what provision in the Consitution allows the Federal Government to take
property from some people and give it to others. I just can't seem to find
where it says that.
SamW | 11:27 a.m. July 9, 2009
Do you remember how many people wanted "No Child Left Behind?" Almost
everyone supported the concept and Bush pre-implementation, but when the
concepts were enacted the nightmare began.
A government program rarely provides what it's hyped up to do. Of course a survey asking people if they want lower healthcare costs gets a lot of support. But that doesn't mean what gets passed won't result in higher costs, less access, worse care, and more taxes.
A government program rarely provides what it's hyped up to do. Of course a survey asking people if they want lower healthcare costs gets a lot of support. But that doesn't mean what gets passed won't result in higher costs, less access, worse care, and more taxes.
Anonymous | 11:42 a.m. July 9, 2009
Follow the money. Its always the money, its always human greed. Nothing has
changed, why are you surprised?
Anonymous | 12:02 p.m. July 9, 2009
The wealthiest country in the world shouldn't have to have 47 million of
its people without health insurance. That's immoral in my book.
And I don't care WHAT Limbaugh has to say about it.
And I don't care WHAT Limbaugh has to say about it.
Healthcare4all??? | 12:15 p.m. July 9, 2009
Folks, ya'll need to learn a little about insurance and insurance law.
Believe it or not small employers are hurt more by Utah State Insurance Law than
many other states. There are tons of rules when a small employer wants to or has
to provide insurance. There are alternatives in the state now. There are a few
good individual insurances that already provide very good coverage and it is not
something that saddles the employer with him having to pay large shares of
premiums, nor worry about cobra when they leave his employ. They can take it
with them. By the way the Government (Utah State) does require car insurance on
all vehicles and it is mandated, but you don't see a government auto plan.
Healthcare for all is just another way for the government to control our lives
by making us do what they want and letting them choose for us. That is what they
want. By the way we really do have a better system than other countries, but we
do have to practice defensive medicine. You would be surprised to see how much
the lawyers are costing the system. Oh lawyers make the laws.
Marie Devine | 12:46 p.m. July 9, 2009
God warned against insurance (surety) in the Bible. That means there is a
better solution. No insurance means employers and employees do not pay
insurance fees, leaving more money for them. Insurance is costly in time and
administration costs and does not add good health. Whoever wants to buy it can.
Prayer, faith, herbs and healthy eating have proven to be effective against
even cancers. All others will know they will pay bills if they get sick. They
will choose better foods and activities that make them healthier. Family,
friends and their faith communities can pay for any other necessary costs a
person cannot.
God's simple solution is to live a garden paradise lifestyle of no stress, fresh foods and light exercise in the sun. Investors trying to get rich on medicines and treatments drive up the cost of everything. Making money on the poor is bad for your spiritual health. It is the same with most investments in stocks. God is wiser.
God's simple solution is to live a garden paradise lifestyle of no stress, fresh foods and light exercise in the sun. Investors trying to get rich on medicines and treatments drive up the cost of everything. Making money on the poor is bad for your spiritual health. It is the same with most investments in stocks. God is wiser.
It will happen | 1:17 p.m. July 9, 2009
So when will it happen that when you start a new job, not only will you have to
pee in a cup, they will sample your DNA for a preexisting condition or a
potential condition or disease. After all, insurance doesn't want to pay
for your health care, they just want your money. Such a moral upstanding
industry. Reflects the mind set of Americans in general.
A Canadian | 2:30 p.m. July 9, 2009
to Reality 5:39
I am a Canadian and am sick and tired of Americans bad-mouthing our National Health Care! No system is perfect, but we Canadians believe health care is / should be UNIVERSAL. Everyone has the right to good health care. We take great pride in our system and see the US system as barbaric!!
I am a Canadian and am sick and tired of Americans bad-mouthing our National Health Care! No system is perfect, but we Canadians believe health care is / should be UNIVERSAL. Everyone has the right to good health care. We take great pride in our system and see the US system as barbaric!!
Corrupt System | 2:54 p.m. July 9, 2009
What a corrupt health system to give people who disobey the law and are in
prison access to healthcare while 50 million people who obey the law do not get
healthcare.
The american health system supports the rich and the wicked. It is unethical and corrupt to leave others without it because of money.
The american health system supports the rich and the wicked. It is unethical and corrupt to leave others without it because of money.
Anonymous | 2:56 p.m. July 9, 2009
Just wondering | 5:00 p.m If you get in a car accident you can argue you were
careless. Is the same true for having MS?
If a person doesn't seek treatment for TB, do others suffer?
Do we let people die for the crime of losing a job?
A Canadian | 2:30 p.m Conservative propagandist are lying to discredit universal health care. They are lap dogs to our health care monopoly.
If a person doesn't seek treatment for TB, do others suffer?
Do we let people die for the crime of losing a job?
A Canadian | 2:30 p.m Conservative propagandist are lying to discredit universal health care. They are lap dogs to our health care monopoly.
Get'r done | 3:01 p.m. July 9, 2009
Why don't our leaders listen? Everyone wants and needs health care.
80% of small business owners want health care reform! Stop making excuses and fix the problem.
80% of small business owners want health care reform! Stop making excuses and fix the problem.
Caleby | 3:34 p.m. July 9, 2009
I'm still waiting.
RE: Get'r.... | 4:17 p.m. July 9, 2009
small business do NOT want the expense of offering health insurance as a
benefit,
IT is costly to small business,
And would be MUCH better to the bottom line if they didn't feel the need to offer it.
That is TRUE conclusion,
NOT the absolute nonsense liberals spew on these posts.
IT is costly to small business,
And would be MUCH better to the bottom line if they didn't feel the need to offer it.
That is TRUE conclusion,
NOT the absolute nonsense liberals spew on these posts.
Provoan | 4:40 p.m. July 9, 2009
Nearly everyone in the US does want health care reform.
Health care reform has been a significant political and economic topic since at least 1992 - 17 years.
Government has not acted.
The health care industry and the health insurance industry have done nothing to reform.
Far more people are uninsured and un-insurable in 2009 than in 1992.
The "free market" private sector has had their opportunity to fix the system and have failed.
Many countries have universal health care access that works well and is not bankrupting their citizens.
The current US administration is the only entity in the US market that has demonstrated the will and the energy to solve the problem. More power to the Obama administration and its public health insurance plan. I only hope his administration can plow through the inertia that is the current health care system, as well as the inertia in Congress with its minions bought and paid for by the health care industry.
BillWatson | 5:35 p.m. July 9, 2009
Using government advantage is best for everybody.
Nobody can collect the money to pay for health care as cheaply as the government can through a national sales tax and nobody can deliver high quality care and medications as cost effectively as the VA has for years.
A civilian model of this is the best fix in a new dual public/private system.
If private works keep it.
For everybody else, for our physical and financial health we need change, and freeing individuals and businesses from this burden will provide the greatest stimulus ever for our economy today and forever.
Public could provide:
Free care and medications for everyone using public care, rich, poor, old, young, everybody that asks for it.
Businesses that choose public for employees are not required to pay or be involved in health care.
Costs to citizens even covering everyone Hundreds of billions less than $2.5trillion spent in 2008.
Is this something for nothing socialism or good smart business?
Nobody can collect the money to pay for health care as cheaply as the government can through a national sales tax and nobody can deliver high quality care and medications as cost effectively as the VA has for years.
A civilian model of this is the best fix in a new dual public/private system.
If private works keep it.
For everybody else, for our physical and financial health we need change, and freeing individuals and businesses from this burden will provide the greatest stimulus ever for our economy today and forever.
Public could provide:
Free care and medications for everyone using public care, rich, poor, old, young, everybody that asks for it.
Businesses that choose public for employees are not required to pay or be involved in health care.
Costs to citizens even covering everyone Hundreds of billions less than $2.5trillion spent in 2008.
Is this something for nothing socialism or good smart business?
Hey Canadian... | 10:26 p.m. July 9, 2009
I have no doubt the Canadian system works great for general care issues such as
colds, flu, broken bones, etc. That said, I have personally spoken with many
Canadians as well as Canadian doctors who don't speak as highly of your
countries system as you.
The difference is how you will be treated if and when you come down with a major medical illness that requires expensive surgeries, procedures, or therapies. Waiting for 3-6 months to have heart, cancer, or brain surgery can in some cases be the difference between life or death. How about denying cancer patients life extending or palliative chemotherapy because they are too old and deemed by the government no longer worth treating? That seems pretty barbaric to me.
I'm all for looking at options to make healthcare more affordable for all in the US. However, the Canadian and socialist model used in Europe is one I want no part of. I'd rather have lower taxes and have some say in how I choose to spend my money and what type of healthcare I receive rather than the government telling me what I'll get and when.
The difference is how you will be treated if and when you come down with a major medical illness that requires expensive surgeries, procedures, or therapies. Waiting for 3-6 months to have heart, cancer, or brain surgery can in some cases be the difference between life or death. How about denying cancer patients life extending or palliative chemotherapy because they are too old and deemed by the government no longer worth treating? That seems pretty barbaric to me.
I'm all for looking at options to make healthcare more affordable for all in the US. However, the Canadian and socialist model used in Europe is one I want no part of. I'd rather have lower taxes and have some say in how I choose to spend my money and what type of healthcare I receive rather than the government telling me what I'll get and when.
A Canadian | 11:19 p.m. July 9, 2009
Re: Hey Canadian
Such scare tactics!! You make it sound like BIG BROTHER is sitting behind the desk turning patients away. Sorry, that's what your private health insurance does -- ie previously existing condition!! And to say that universal health care is only effective for broken bones and colds, etc. LAUGHABLE. If all those Canadians were dying because of lengthy wait times for brain cancer or heart disease, you would be hearing from a lot more Canadians than those few you mentioned.
The biggest obstacle you will have is standing up to the POWERFUL insurance and health care lobbyists who know they have a lot to lose once health care costs are brought into line.
GOOD LUCK with that!
Such scare tactics!! You make it sound like BIG BROTHER is sitting behind the desk turning patients away. Sorry, that's what your private health insurance does -- ie previously existing condition!! And to say that universal health care is only effective for broken bones and colds, etc. LAUGHABLE. If all those Canadians were dying because of lengthy wait times for brain cancer or heart disease, you would be hearing from a lot more Canadians than those few you mentioned.
The biggest obstacle you will have is standing up to the POWERFUL insurance and health care lobbyists who know they have a lot to lose once health care costs are brought into line.
GOOD LUCK with that!
Foreign help needed | 7:05 a.m. July 10, 2009
Forget about Canada, lets bring in Cuban and French management to figure this
thing out and get our country back on track. With Cubas ability to do a little
bit with nothing, and the French's sense of pride, we could have a health
care system that wouldn't sink our country and it would still be the pride
of the world at less than half the cost, which is what it should cost.
L | 8:47 p.m. July 10, 2009
Another wild idea - why not limit the costs involved in healthcare. Why does the
insurance company president make such big bucks, why is the doctors house
"up on the hill" so big, why does he (or company like IHC) charge $150
for a short appointment, how many of those can they do an hour? Even if was only
one, it would be several times more per hour than I get. Some doctors do so well
they only work 4 days a week, oh wait State employees do that too (but more
hours). The cars in the docs drive often are "top of the line" etc.
While I am not opposed to having greater pay for greater talent, sometimes it seems like there is too much "greater"
Another way to cut down expenditures is just to quit health care (maybe medicare and all retirement pay at 65) would certainly free up a lot of money for the younger ones. If you didn't save it, then you can't buy it while you are older.
By the way, seniors have done a lot of things we enjoy daily from highways to parks, water systems, schools colleges etc.
While I am not opposed to having greater pay for greater talent, sometimes it seems like there is too much "greater"
Another way to cut down expenditures is just to quit health care (maybe medicare and all retirement pay at 65) would certainly free up a lot of money for the younger ones. If you didn't save it, then you can't buy it while you are older.
By the way, seniors have done a lot of things we enjoy daily from highways to parks, water systems, schools colleges etc.
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Comments on BYU's article 83, comments on Utah's artilce 0. That is so funny....
No $ or support from this Utah Mormon Dem next election cycle, Matheson. I'd...
On the other hand... My daughter's best friend has 2 moms who’ve...
Um, Utah is at a BCS level. My guess is you've never set foot in Gainesville.
I listened to the KSL announcers, and I really don't recall them mentioning...
My hard-core Republican, heterosexual bro-in-law has been divorced 3 times...
Nice try BYU. Do that (52-0, or win by 1,2,3 points) against FSU and TCU and...
What a shocker.
Ok...you know what? I have tried so hard to be understanding of people who...
Nice win Bingham. Coach Peck, you are an outstanding coach. The real...
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