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Re: Get Real Ute Fans | 5:02 p.m. July 7, 2009
Is that why Tenn lost to Mighty Wyoming last year?
Tenn Vols | 5:03 p.m. July 7, 2009
Vols lost to Wyoming at home, UCLA beat them. BYU or Utah would have demolished
them. Dude you better go back to the hills before it gets worse.
hey coug fans | 6:16 p.m. July 7, 2009
sorry bowl record, sorry all-time record against ur biggest rival, sorry record
against ranked teams in the past decade (like 1-21 right?), there is nothing to
be jealous about! we just dont like u!
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Re: National Champion Trophy | 6:28 p.m. July 7, 2009
Who really cares bout what happen in 2008, I don't it's in the past.
So what is your point here?
Re: Get Real Ute Fans | 6:40 p.m. July 7, 2009
Really why they lose to Wyoming? Wrong choice of words. Love to see BYU play
Tenn Vols, That team has a history of choking in big and small games as well.
BYU wins easy!
Poor Utah Fans, no hope, no BCS | 6:49 p.m. July 7, 2009
BYU and UTAH are more like TROY and TEMPLE, EZ!
No player recruited by Tenn. would go to either BYU or Utah.
I realize Utah doesn't have big time college football, but it's cute the way you think you do. Sure you may get the 1 out of 20 victories against the big boys, when they are bored to play you.
One note if BYU ever cornered the market on LDS and poly athletes, they would be BIG, but Utah has no hope.
No player recruited by Tenn. would go to either BYU or Utah.
I realize Utah doesn't have big time college football, but it's cute the way you think you do. Sure you may get the 1 out of 20 victories against the big boys, when they are bored to play you.
One note if BYU ever cornered the market on LDS and poly athletes, they would be BIG, but Utah has no hope.
aj arizona | 6:54 p.m. July 7, 2009
Is that the same Tennessee team that lost at home to the Mountain West doormat
Wyoming Cowboys last year?
Thought so!
Thought so!
RE: aj arizona | 7:22 p.m. July 7, 2009
All that is past glory, just as Bama. Yes, respect to BYU for all its trophies.
But please tell me how does it feel to have accomplished nothing since 1996?
Last year was BYUs best team since '96 being ranked preseason #16, and look
how that turned out.
"Enjoy your two BCS trophies, 10 teams a year play
in those games."
Correction, not just 10 teams: 9 power house programs and 1 mid-major.
Legacy and generations of excellence with all those trophies... YET... BYU has NOT been able to crack the BCS with the other 9 national powerhouses year after year after year.
It seems that the 84 championship was easier then breaking into the BCS for BYU.
Utah 31 Bama 17 ... LOVED IT!!
BYU 21 UofA 31 ... COULDN'T STOP laughing.
"Enjoy your two BCS trophies, 10 teams a year play
in those games."
Correction, not just 10 teams: 9 power house programs and 1 mid-major.
Legacy and generations of excellence with all those trophies... YET... BYU has NOT been able to crack the BCS with the other 9 national powerhouses year after year after year.
It seems that the 84 championship was easier then breaking into the BCS for BYU.
Utah 31 Bama 17 ... LOVED IT!!
BYU 21 UofA 31 ... COULDN'T STOP laughing.
Zoob Logic 101 | 7:44 p.m. July 7, 2009
Dan | 12:36 p.m. July 7, 2009
Lets see BYU barely beat a 6-5 Michigan team...OK Utah barely beat the worst Michigan team in history. SHOULD HAVE LOST TO Oregon st. and TCU.
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Einstein "Quest for Perfection" is SHOULD HAVE after going 10-3 not 13-0. Utes DID beat 2-top 10 teams and 4 ranked teams MUCH MUCH better then the '84 team. The difference judges awarded you the title and not Utah. As far as on the filed Utah romped anything the 84 team did.
Lets see BYU barely beat a 6-5 Michigan team...OK Utah barely beat the worst Michigan team in history. SHOULD HAVE LOST TO Oregon st. and TCU.
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Einstein "Quest for Perfection" is SHOULD HAVE after going 10-3 not 13-0. Utes DID beat 2-top 10 teams and 4 ranked teams MUCH MUCH better then the '84 team. The difference judges awarded you the title and not Utah. As far as on the filed Utah romped anything the 84 team did.
Multi-Tasking | 8:08 p.m. July 7, 2009
SJ | 3:05 p.m. July 7, 2009
And yet here you are taking time out of your busy day to read AND comment on a BYU football article. You are living proof that U fans are left unfulfilled with their own program and have to obsess over what happens in Provo. Pathetic!!!
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That's becasue we Utes can multitask (aka do more then one think at a time). For example, walk and chew gum.
I am more then just fulfilled after our 2008 "Quest for Perfection" accomplished season. So, I have ample time to nag big brother. Who's time in the spotlight has faded yet continues to think itself as a respected power house program when it is 1-22 against ranked opponents.
The only good thing about BCS is that never again will a team like the '84 BYU team will win a title after beating cupcake teams to go undefeated (yes my beloved Utes stunk in those years).
And yet here you are taking time out of your busy day to read AND comment on a BYU football article. You are living proof that U fans are left unfulfilled with their own program and have to obsess over what happens in Provo. Pathetic!!!
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That's becasue we Utes can multitask (aka do more then one think at a time). For example, walk and chew gum.
I am more then just fulfilled after our 2008 "Quest for Perfection" accomplished season. So, I have ample time to nag big brother. Who's time in the spotlight has faded yet continues to think itself as a respected power house program when it is 1-22 against ranked opponents.
The only good thing about BCS is that never again will a team like the '84 BYU team will win a title after beating cupcake teams to go undefeated (yes my beloved Utes stunk in those years).
Stanford #5 2010 Recruiting | 8:31 p.m. July 7, 2009
At scouts the powerhouse Stanford football program is #5 while BYU is #14.
So I guess if Zoob predictions are correct in 2013 we'll see BYU vs Stanford in the title game.
It even has Ball State and Duke as better 2010 recruits then Utah.
Who cares, FL with all their recruits wasn't winning championships until Myers arrived, same at USC with PC.
Unfortunately for BYU and Stanford fans their coaching staff is really inferior.
So I guess if Zoob predictions are correct in 2013 we'll see BYU vs Stanford in the title game.
It even has Ball State and Duke as better 2010 recruits then Utah.
Who cares, FL with all their recruits wasn't winning championships until Myers arrived, same at USC with PC.
Unfortunately for BYU and Stanford fans their coaching staff is really inferior.
Cougars Fan | 9:57 p.m. July 7, 2009
You know what I really find funny about you yewt fans? You read this article
about byu and then you start bashing on the byu recruits saying how overhyped
they are and that it means nothing.But yet alot of those same recruits were
players that the yewts were trying to recruit. So if these recruits mean nothing
and are overhyped, then I have to ask why did the yewts pursue alot of them and
why havent the yewts been able to land more recruits?
Don | 10:58 p.m. July 7, 2009
Reality: 791-296. 44 Conference Championships and 7 National Championships!
Rated by ESPN Sports as the Greatest Program in College Football since 1936. Byu
and Ute hope to be good! OKLAHOMA will be playing again for a National
Championship while all us BYU and UTE fans will be home watching! Just the
facts! And they will probably be playing Florida! And they play a real rival
every year! TEXAS. 835 wins, second best winning percentage in football and 4
National Championships! NEBRASKA 817-338. 44 Conference Titles and 5 National
Championships! These teams play each other every year!. Just like you all I am a
Big Cougar fan and I wish the Utes well too especially in the big games but we
are the peons of college football. Just the facts! Can't wait for September
but BYU's season could be over by halftime the first week! It's put up
or shut up time now! PS Oklahoma has 144 All Americans how many for BYU and Utah
combined? By the way TCU has a good chance of being the team to beat this year!
Re:DON | 12:12 a.m. July 8, 2009
So what's your point, Oklahoma hasn't won a BCS game in so long they
should be banned from even getting in.USC has 11 national championships and the
last time they played Chokelahoma it was a joke like 55-14. SC has a wide
winning percentage against your big three.. Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska..Stop
it dude Oklahoma has got to beat Boise State before they start talking smack.
ajarizona | 8:55 a.m. July 8, 2009
Powerhouse programs? to the BCS
Like Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinati, Oregon State? Give me a break, The BCS is crooked and you buy into it. Even referring to yourself as a Mid-Major..
Utah BYU or TCU dont' take a back seat to at least one half of the BCS schools. They are larger and more storied.
Nothing since Since '96?
BYU has 5 Conference Championships since '96, (22 in the last 34 years). 5 top 25 finishes. More All-Americans, major awards, draft choices and in the NFL.
Utah has 4 titles since 96, 5 since '95. BYU 6 since '95 Even with Crowton, BYU still outdid the Utes. Before McBride's shared title in '95 Utah went 31 years without a Title.
Utah has a really nice run going. No doubt. However, Legacy programs are built over sustained excellence. Down years to be sure, but legacy programs are never down for more than a few seasons, Can Utah sustain their run for a generation or more? We'll see. BYU has!
Like Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinati, Oregon State? Give me a break, The BCS is crooked and you buy into it. Even referring to yourself as a Mid-Major..
Utah BYU or TCU dont' take a back seat to at least one half of the BCS schools. They are larger and more storied.
Nothing since Since '96?
BYU has 5 Conference Championships since '96, (22 in the last 34 years). 5 top 25 finishes. More All-Americans, major awards, draft choices and in the NFL.
Utah has 4 titles since 96, 5 since '95. BYU 6 since '95 Even with Crowton, BYU still outdid the Utes. Before McBride's shared title in '95 Utah went 31 years without a Title.
Utah has a really nice run going. No doubt. However, Legacy programs are built over sustained excellence. Down years to be sure, but legacy programs are never down for more than a few seasons, Can Utah sustain their run for a generation or more? We'll see. BYU has!
Face Reality | 12:57 p.m. July 8, 2009
ajarizona | 8:55 a.m. July 8, 2009
Yes we are a mid-major the powerhouse schools like USC, FL, Ohio, Penn, etc. they are the big boys.
I never said Utah cannot compete with them (see 2004 and 2008) I said BYU has NOT since 1996.
Please enlighten me on which ranked team BYU has won since 1996 except for beating up a weak conference? Face reality BYU's 1-22 record speaks for itself. What is its bowl record?
Congratulations on your 5 conference championships and all those trophies. See as a Ute I can care less about winning the MWC. It's like me being a Jazz fan and counting division titles while the Fakers are counting NBA titles.
Granted BYU won in '84 but that is as relevant today as the Utes basketball title.
I never said anything about schools like Pitt, a team Utah humiliated, or UofA, the team that humiliated BYU's best team since 1996, as being powerhouse programs.
I agree with you on Big East programs they shouldn't get an automatic bid... but lets face it teams like WV and Cincinnati are better then BYU.
Yes we are a mid-major the powerhouse schools like USC, FL, Ohio, Penn, etc. they are the big boys.
I never said Utah cannot compete with them (see 2004 and 2008) I said BYU has NOT since 1996.
Please enlighten me on which ranked team BYU has won since 1996 except for beating up a weak conference? Face reality BYU's 1-22 record speaks for itself. What is its bowl record?
Congratulations on your 5 conference championships and all those trophies. See as a Ute I can care less about winning the MWC. It's like me being a Jazz fan and counting division titles while the Fakers are counting NBA titles.
Granted BYU won in '84 but that is as relevant today as the Utes basketball title.
I never said anything about schools like Pitt, a team Utah humiliated, or UofA, the team that humiliated BYU's best team since 1996, as being powerhouse programs.
I agree with you on Big East programs they shouldn't get an automatic bid... but lets face it teams like WV and Cincinnati are better then BYU.
RE: ajarizona | 1:08 p.m. July 8, 2009
IF Florida, Oklahoma, or Texas were playing BYU's scheudle since '84
they would have run off 25 national titles by now.
Lets face it WAC and MWC titles mean nothing.
We can argue that the only year it counted was in 2008 when we had 3 ranked teams with 2 in the top-10. Correct me if I am wrong but I cannot ever recall that happening when BYU was winning.
Lets face it WAC and MWC titles mean nothing.
We can argue that the only year it counted was in 2008 when we had 3 ranked teams with 2 in the top-10. Correct me if I am wrong but I cannot ever recall that happening when BYU was winning.
Don | 5:45 p.m. July 8, 2009
To:Re:Don
Yes I made an error. Oklahoma lays claim to 13 National titles. Yes USC has 11. I live near USC now and have an appreciation for their program. But USC was not part of the point raised regarding UTAH and BYU football and competition. USC is another example of how poorly BYU and UTAH rate in the whole picture when it comes to College football. Yes Oklahoma has had it tough the last few years but did win National titles in 2000 and 2003 and played in a number of others? Where were BYU and UTAH? Right where I had explained before! Watching on Tv at home! Again recruit rankings do not win anything and neither has BYU or Utah in the last 25 years! I used Oklahoma as an example and the Big 12 opponents since that is where BYU starts the 2010 season! If it had been against USC I would have used the Pack 10. Thank You!
Yes I made an error. Oklahoma lays claim to 13 National titles. Yes USC has 11. I live near USC now and have an appreciation for their program. But USC was not part of the point raised regarding UTAH and BYU football and competition. USC is another example of how poorly BYU and UTAH rate in the whole picture when it comes to College football. Yes Oklahoma has had it tough the last few years but did win National titles in 2000 and 2003 and played in a number of others? Where were BYU and UTAH? Right where I had explained before! Watching on Tv at home! Again recruit rankings do not win anything and neither has BYU or Utah in the last 25 years! I used Oklahoma as an example and the Big 12 opponents since that is where BYU starts the 2010 season! If it had been against USC I would have used the Pack 10. Thank You!
Utes: You Look Silly | 5:53 p.m. July 8, 2009
When is the Ute football fan going to get over his obsession with BYU football?
Does he realize that BYU doesn't depend upon the existence of Utah to
define its program? Can the Ute fan say the same thing about his team? If so,
why such devotion to bashing the cougs?
Ute fan: figure it out, your team has a lot going for it, you no longer need to justify your existence by bashing the cougs, or do you?
I do not diminish the great rivalry between these two schools. There may not be a game I want BYU to win more each year than the Utah game. However, I've been to the rivalry game at both venues, and have seen for myself that the red team's fan base wins the contest for being more obsessed/angry/vindictive hands down.
For those Ute fans who have already figured this out, kudos. For the rest of you Ute fans, does this not make sense?
Ute fan: figure it out, your team has a lot going for it, you no longer need to justify your existence by bashing the cougs, or do you?
I do not diminish the great rivalry between these two schools. There may not be a game I want BYU to win more each year than the Utah game. However, I've been to the rivalry game at both venues, and have seen for myself that the red team's fan base wins the contest for being more obsessed/angry/vindictive hands down.
For those Ute fans who have already figured this out, kudos. For the rest of you Ute fans, does this not make sense?
No BYU Looks Silly | 10:23 p.m. July 8, 2009
Utes: You Look Silly | 5:53 p.m. July 8, 2009
What looks silly is a 2008 preseason #16 team using slogans such as "Quest for Perfection" and then getting hammered by better teams and humiliated by a weak UofA.
Now your recruits, like Jake Heaps, is talking about winning a championship 2010.
All this hype yet you can't even break the BCS.
That is why I enjoy bashing on BYU. Accomplish something on the field besides winning weak teams then you can talk about a national title.
Don | 5:45 p.m. July 8, 2009
"Again recruit rankings do not win anything and neither has BYU or Utah in the last 25 years!"
Thank you genius for your analysis. BUT same could be said about ASU, Oregon, Texas A&M, Kansas, and dozens of other BCS schools.
So, what is your point? Everyone stinks except USC, FL, and Oklahoma?
Here's one thing Utah has done that Oklahoma has not over the last 5 years: Won two BCS games.
What looks silly is a 2008 preseason #16 team using slogans such as "Quest for Perfection" and then getting hammered by better teams and humiliated by a weak UofA.
Now your recruits, like Jake Heaps, is talking about winning a championship 2010.
All this hype yet you can't even break the BCS.
That is why I enjoy bashing on BYU. Accomplish something on the field besides winning weak teams then you can talk about a national title.
Don | 5:45 p.m. July 8, 2009
"Again recruit rankings do not win anything and neither has BYU or Utah in the last 25 years!"
Thank you genius for your analysis. BUT same could be said about ASU, Oregon, Texas A&M, Kansas, and dozens of other BCS schools.
So, what is your point? Everyone stinks except USC, FL, and Oklahoma?
Here's one thing Utah has done that Oklahoma has not over the last 5 years: Won two BCS games.
Flash in the pan Utah | 1:49 a.m. July 9, 2009
BYU has 22 Conference Championships since 1974. Utah has 5 in the last 45
seasons.
BYU has 16 ranked finishes in the last 32 seasons. Utah has 5 in history.
BYU has 16 major awards since 1974. Utah has never won a major award.
Yes, Utah has 2 BCS games. That's very nice. But it gives no long term indication of success. My bet is, there little 5 year run is about over. Look for Utah to finish no better than 3rd this year (The same place they finished in '06 and '07), while BYU racks up their 3rd conference championship in 4 years.
Utah will never be BYU, until they grow a half decent sized fanbase and move out of the cracker box they call a stadium.
BYU has 16 ranked finishes in the last 32 seasons. Utah has 5 in history.
BYU has 16 major awards since 1974. Utah has never won a major award.
Yes, Utah has 2 BCS games. That's very nice. But it gives no long term indication of success. My bet is, there little 5 year run is about over. Look for Utah to finish no better than 3rd this year (The same place they finished in '06 and '07), while BYU racks up their 3rd conference championship in 4 years.
Utah will never be BYU, until they grow a half decent sized fanbase and move out of the cracker box they call a stadium.
You don't get it | 5:47 a.m. July 9, 2009
Hmmm, acomplish something on the field....
How about a NC? How about a Heisman Trophy winner? Maybe a 49er QB who actually won a few games?
You can always find something to bash my friend. It's just that some of us feel the need more than others.
I can recognize what Utah has done with its program over the past decade or so (there wasn't too much to cheer about before that), and I actually believe Utah deserves a NC for what they did last year.
You, and many of your fellow Ute fans, feel the need to obsess over things like BYU's slogans, the stated dreams of its recruits, and it wouldn't surprise me if you've even said a thing or two about BYU's new grass.
I don't think you get it. You don't need this anymore, your program has established itself as a winner. Let it go...or is there still some little brother syndrome left in you that you just can't shake?
How about a NC? How about a Heisman Trophy winner? Maybe a 49er QB who actually won a few games?
You can always find something to bash my friend. It's just that some of us feel the need more than others.
I can recognize what Utah has done with its program over the past decade or so (there wasn't too much to cheer about before that), and I actually believe Utah deserves a NC for what they did last year.
You, and many of your fellow Ute fans, feel the need to obsess over things like BYU's slogans, the stated dreams of its recruits, and it wouldn't surprise me if you've even said a thing or two about BYU's new grass.
I don't think you get it. You don't need this anymore, your program has established itself as a winner. Let it go...or is there still some little brother syndrome left in you that you just can't shake?
citizen16 | 8:51 a.m. July 9, 2009
Yawn...more UofU fans posting innane comments on an article about BYU's
recruiting class. I really would have thought that the little brother syndrome
would have subsided a little bit after last year...I guess not. Once again
proving that many UofU fans are really just anti-BYU fans. My prediction...2 or
3 years from now no one outside of Utah will be talking about the UofU football
team and BYU fans will be enjoying an even better team than the past couple of
years. Should be fun to watch our team. I really don't care what happens
with the UofU team. I don't even know the name of one player on their team
next year, let alone what anyone thinks of their recruiting class.
But I am really excited about the recruits Bronco and his staff have been able to bring in this year.
But I am really excited about the recruits Bronco and his staff have been able to bring in this year.
Don | 9:19 a.m. July 9, 2009
To: No BYU Looks Silly 10:23 Pm.
Sir,Never said I was a Genius! Don't be offended.Maybe you are because I am a BYU fan and I too am tired of all the preseason hype and then the let down. No Florida, Oklahoma and USC are not the only powers! You bring up a straw man here! The teams you mention that have not won a National Championship probably have not won since they play a stronger schedule. Again my examples of Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska were a small sampling based on who BYU starts with this season(OKLAHOMA). You again prove my point when you mention the others. If BYU and Utah played 4 or 5 ranked teams in conference and 1 or 2 ranked non conference teams do you think they would be in the BCS hunt like you seem to covet so much? Please look at these facts. The major BCS conferences play a tougher schedule. Again I used the Big 12 as that is where BYU starts the season, but lesser teams in the Big 12,Pac 10, Big 10,SEC,etc,play tougher competition overall. Wish it was wasn't true!
Sir,Never said I was a Genius! Don't be offended.Maybe you are because I am a BYU fan and I too am tired of all the preseason hype and then the let down. No Florida, Oklahoma and USC are not the only powers! You bring up a straw man here! The teams you mention that have not won a National Championship probably have not won since they play a stronger schedule. Again my examples of Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska were a small sampling based on who BYU starts with this season(OKLAHOMA). You again prove my point when you mention the others. If BYU and Utah played 4 or 5 ranked teams in conference and 1 or 2 ranked non conference teams do you think they would be in the BCS hunt like you seem to covet so much? Please look at these facts. The major BCS conferences play a tougher schedule. Again I used the Big 12 as that is where BYU starts the season, but lesser teams in the Big 12,Pac 10, Big 10,SEC,etc,play tougher competition overall. Wish it was wasn't true!
Mike | 11:16 a.m. July 9, 2009
Living in the past I recall that the 1984 team, playing their first game on the
road at Pittsburgh with a rookie QB named Bosco who had never started a varsity
game, was supposed to get stomped by Pitt. It wasn't even going to be a
contest according to all the pundits. BYU overcame some very sloppy playing and
showed tenacity to win the game. Pitt, at the time, was ranked #2. Yes
Michigan was 6-5 but they also lost several close games that year.
Fast forward to now. The ranking of recruits doesn't mean jack. Especially with missions involved. BYU needs to recruit some speedy Jr. College DB's to help out the defense.
Fast forward to now. The ranking of recruits doesn't mean jack. Especially with missions involved. BYU needs to recruit some speedy Jr. College DB's to help out the defense.
No rosey glasses here | 11:41 a.m. July 9, 2009
As a BYU fan whose best friend is a Utah fan, I have had my share of humble pie.
Utah has rocked it since about 2000. No question they have been great over those
years. BYU has however continued to improve. Here is what hurts BYU teams
athletically -Its overwhemingly LDS social demographic. With the substantial
importance on the two year mission which creates a lag in recruit development. I
know Utes will say we have a lot of those guys two. Yeah but only about half as
many. They go off on missions, change their focus and their workout regime for
two years then come back. I know it is somewhat anectdotal but look at Young.
The greatest quarterback ever to come out of a Utah College. He did not serve a
mission and was able to focus on football and it showed.
Anonymous | 12:12 p.m. July 9, 2009
Not at all obsessed about BYU just sick of all the over hype by thier players
and fans like Dick. BYU hasn't accomplished anything on the filed in THIS
BCS era yet they keep on thinking thier an elite progam.
1-22 against ranked teams yet you have Jake Heaps talking about 2013 title and Bronco's "Quest". NEWS FLASH: Elite programs actually win ranked opponents.
I sat through the beatings put on by BYU in the early 80s... the fact is those years are gone. Actually this millennium the only beatings has been by Utah on BYU (04 and 08).
Yes conference titles are good and trophies are nice. But they're NOTHING to brag about when you can't beat anyone good on the field.
For example, as a huge Jazz fan I don't care about Division Titles and I would trade Mailman's 2 MVP trophies in a heart beat for a NBA title.
So in this BCS era keep your conference titles and Hiesmans I will trade that any day for another beat down of a SEC team in a BCS game.
1-22 against ranked teams yet you have Jake Heaps talking about 2013 title and Bronco's "Quest". NEWS FLASH: Elite programs actually win ranked opponents.
I sat through the beatings put on by BYU in the early 80s... the fact is those years are gone. Actually this millennium the only beatings has been by Utah on BYU (04 and 08).
Yes conference titles are good and trophies are nice. But they're NOTHING to brag about when you can't beat anyone good on the field.
For example, as a huge Jazz fan I don't care about Division Titles and I would trade Mailman's 2 MVP trophies in a heart beat for a NBA title.
So in this BCS era keep your conference titles and Hiesmans I will trade that any day for another beat down of a SEC team in a BCS game.
Anonymous | 12:23 p.m. July 9, 2009
Mike | 11:16 a.m. July 9, 2009:
My prediction...2 or 3 years from now no one outside of Utah will be talking about the UofU football team and BYU fans will be enjoying an even better team than the past couple of years.
Really? Utah has won 10+ games 3 of the last 6 years with 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS wins while beating ranked oppenents.
Now what exactly has BYU accomplished on the field in that same time period that even comes close?
So using your logic these new recruits for BYU will be so much better they'll be contending for a title by 2011 and Utah will all of a sudden play like its 70s and 80s.
FYI NOT likely!!
My prediction...2 or 3 years from now no one outside of Utah will be talking about the UofU football team and BYU fans will be enjoying an even better team than the past couple of years.
Really? Utah has won 10+ games 3 of the last 6 years with 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS wins while beating ranked oppenents.
Now what exactly has BYU accomplished on the field in that same time period that even comes close?
So using your logic these new recruits for BYU will be so much better they'll be contending for a title by 2011 and Utah will all of a sudden play like its 70s and 80s.
FYI NOT likely!!
For the last time (again)... | 12:30 p.m. July 9, 2009
BYU-HAS-NO-NATIONAL-CHAMPIONSHIPS!
The NCAA website states: “The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football.”
Into this void have stepped at least 36 self-appointed entities that have declared themselves the “deciders” of the college football “National Champion.” The AP poll is only one of many. Interestingly, until the mid 1960’s, the AP voted on the “National Champion” before the bowl games were even played!
Recent arrogance has been for whoever was AP and/or Coaches Poll number one to call themselves the “National Champions.” This has led to a series of absurd results, such as an abundance of “National Championship” gear for the year 2003 with both LSU and USC as claimants! In the 1984 AP Poll, BYU received only 38 of 60 first-place votes.
Jeff Sagarin’s poll has historically had the most credibility. Who was Jeff Sagarin’s 1984 “National Champion”? The Florida Gators! In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be “National Champions” by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, including BYU! Even the NCAA recognizes the Gators as National Champions on their website!
The NCAA website states: “The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football.”
Into this void have stepped at least 36 self-appointed entities that have declared themselves the “deciders” of the college football “National Champion.” The AP poll is only one of many. Interestingly, until the mid 1960’s, the AP voted on the “National Champion” before the bowl games were even played!
Recent arrogance has been for whoever was AP and/or Coaches Poll number one to call themselves the “National Champions.” This has led to a series of absurd results, such as an abundance of “National Championship” gear for the year 2003 with both LSU and USC as claimants! In the 1984 AP Poll, BYU received only 38 of 60 first-place votes.
Jeff Sagarin’s poll has historically had the most credibility. Who was Jeff Sagarin’s 1984 “National Champion”? The Florida Gators! In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be “National Champions” by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, including BYU! Even the NCAA recognizes the Gators as National Champions on their website!
HAHAHAHAHA | 12:36 p.m. July 9, 2009
Stop please, you kitties crack me up. All of your comparisions only go back 32
years or less. Why is that zoobers? Did the football universe start 32 years
ago? Maybe yours did with Lavell, but Utah has had a much better program if
viewed as a whole.
FACT: Utah has 113 more all time wins than the Y.
FACT: Utah has a higher all time winning percentage (.589) than does the Y (.553)
FACT: Utah has 26 Conference Titles compared to half as much, 13 for the kitties.
FACT: In head-to-head matchups, Utah dominates the series with the Y. UTAH is 53-33-4 against BYU. (or if you kitties insist in not counting the first 6 games played in the rivalry because you weren't a real school yet, Utah is still 50-30-4).
CONCLUSION: The Utes have a better football history than the Y by far, however, all of the 30-40 year olds that live in this state only remember the Lavell years. UTAH OWNS YOU PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE!
FACT: Utah has 113 more all time wins than the Y.
FACT: Utah has a higher all time winning percentage (.589) than does the Y (.553)
FACT: Utah has 26 Conference Titles compared to half as much, 13 for the kitties.
FACT: In head-to-head matchups, Utah dominates the series with the Y. UTAH is 53-33-4 against BYU. (or if you kitties insist in not counting the first 6 games played in the rivalry because you weren't a real school yet, Utah is still 50-30-4).
CONCLUSION: The Utes have a better football history than the Y by far, however, all of the 30-40 year olds that live in this state only remember the Lavell years. UTAH OWNS YOU PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE!
Mike | 1:23 p.m. July 9, 2009
Bronco could see 500 recruits, but he still has that lousy quarterback.
Anonymous | 2:46 p.m. July 9, 2009
Bronco lives right off the field, so that entitles him to the discernment and
influence of the Spirit to help him in recruiting.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
W's are the proof | 3:08 p.m. July 9, 2009
All this chatter is meaningless unless you win. If you win then it's
because you have good talent and if you lose then you need better talent. Very
simple really. Whitingham is a better coach than Bronco simply because he is a
better recruiter. Bronco likes high character players and Whitingham goes for
speed and size. The U has two BCS bowl trophies and top 10 finishes and the Y
settles for the Vegas bowl every year if they are lucky. BYU will never reach
the level of the U in football simply because of recruiting.
2009 predictions | 3:17 p.m. July 9, 2009
After all the hoo-haw projections and recruitment talk here are my 2009 projects
for the MWC.
1. TCU (11-1)
2. Utah (10-2)
3. New Mexico (9-3)
4. UNLV (8-4)
5. BYU (7-5)
I only put the U #2 because they have to play at TCU this year and both teams are very close in talent especially on defense. Both the U and TCU will play in bowl games - but no BCS this year. BYU will lose to Oklahoma by a BIG margin (probably 28 points) along with Florida State, TCU, Utah, UNLV and New Mexico. BYU simply doesn't have a defense again in 2009 which reflects very poorly on Bronco.
1. TCU (11-1)
2. Utah (10-2)
3. New Mexico (9-3)
4. UNLV (8-4)
5. BYU (7-5)
I only put the U #2 because they have to play at TCU this year and both teams are very close in talent especially on defense. Both the U and TCU will play in bowl games - but no BCS this year. BYU will lose to Oklahoma by a BIG margin (probably 28 points) along with Florida State, TCU, Utah, UNLV and New Mexico. BYU simply doesn't have a defense again in 2009 which reflects very poorly on Bronco.
yawn .... | 3:25 p.m. July 9, 2009
BYU fans get ready to open the season with a BANG - sort of like getting blown
up with dynamite!! Oklahoma 55 BYU 17. After that blowout expect the speed of
Florida State to hand you your second loss FSU 31 BYU 21. TCU and Utah will both
get by the Y even on the road. Very sad. 2009 is going to be UGLY in poor little
Provo. The REASON: BYU HAS NO DEFENSE and defense wins championships!!
True Blue | 3:44 p.m. July 9, 2009
I can't wait to watch BYU dismantle Oklahoma on national television. After
that I will enjoy watching BYU dominate Florida State, Tulane, TCU and Utah.
Quest for Perfection Baby!!!
Quest for Perfection Baby!!!
Oklahoma | 10:16 p.m. July 9, 2009
I'm not sure why this game has been brought up, having not read the
comments. But I've been watching film and have figured out how BYU can
guarantee a win. All they need to do is show the game on BYU-TV... every game
I've ever seen on BYU-TV BYU has won. Has anyone else noticed this?
It's like a good luck charm. Check it out, it's true.
In fact, they should show every game on BYU-TV so they can go undefeated! Go Cougs!
In fact, they should show every game on BYU-TV so they can go undefeated! Go Cougs!
Defense wins ball games | 10:19 p.m. July 9, 2009
And BYU went 10-3 without one last year. Believe me that side of the ball will
be miles better than it was last year. 2006 was a solid squad with both sides of
the ball as a stregnth. 2007 the defense carried the team, 2008 the offense
carried the team.
This year, with recruiting and experience this will finally be the year both sides of the ball come back together the way they did in 2006. Just watch.
This year, with recruiting and experience this will finally be the year both sides of the ball come back together the way they did in 2006. Just watch.
Curiousity... | 5:19 a.m. July 10, 2009
I'm curious how Utah is going to be doing so well with an inexperienced QB
this year? If Brian Johnson were returning I would agree with the lavish
expectations for Utah, but his ship has sailed.
Re: 2009 predictions | 7:25 a.m. July 10, 2009
That's cute the way you predict four MWC losses for BYU landing them in the
bottom half of the conference. Do your parents know you are commenting on BYU
articles instead of doing your homework?
Anonymous | 1:06 p.m. July 10, 2009
Curiousity... | 5:19 a.m. July 10, 2009
I'm curious how Utah is going to be doing so well with an inexperienced QB this year?
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Well if Jake Heaps can win you championships in 2013 I think Cain and Louks are capable enough to compete for the MWC this year: 10-2 is good.
I like our chances of knocking on another BCS door next year.
I'm curious how Utah is going to be doing so well with an inexperienced QB this year?
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Well if Jake Heaps can win you championships in 2013 I think Cain and Louks are capable enough to compete for the MWC this year: 10-2 is good.
I like our chances of knocking on another BCS door next year.
Kona Gold | 7:59 p.m. July 11, 2009
Add another 4 star recruit to the BYU list. DE Kona Schwenke commits to Bronco
this morning.
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