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Roland Kayser | 12:29 a.m. July 7, 2009
The crime rate is far lower than it was twenty-five years ago. The teen
pregnancy rate is lower, the divorce rate is lower, the abortion rate is lower.
Teens take fewer drugs and smoke fewer cigarettes than their parents did. Some
things have gotten worse, but there is good news out there if you want to look
for it.
Jenny | 6:37 a.m. July 7, 2009
I think we can look to our leaders and understand when one says our morals have
faded - we use sports players as idols, musicians as Gods i.e. MJ & Elvis
will never die yet they did not live great lives of good examples. Our leaders
are so corrupt - yep the little people may have better morals
is it any wonder? | 6:53 a.m. July 7, 2009
When you have leaders telling us there are WMD's in a sovereign country to bomb it when there clearly were none and citizens were bombed anyway, and political parties supportive of such lies, it is no wonder morals are eroding in the U.S.
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@is it any wonder? | 7:18 a.m. July 7, 2009
When we have presidents who are willing to indebt our children, just to lessen
the pain of financial difficulties now. How inconsiderate!
p.s. the whole world believed there were wmd's including the sanctimonious dems. Saadam, uday and kusay are gone; so are the executions and the rapes... How evil we are?
p.s. the whole world believed there were wmd's including the sanctimonious dems. Saadam, uday and kusay are gone; so are the executions and the rapes... How evil we are?
Anonymous | 7:21 a.m. July 7, 2009
I used to take these kinds of statements more seriously, but as I've been
around for a while, I realize that every generation says the same thing and this
has been going on for centuries. These IS a lot of good, and in many respects,
I do think the world is a better place than it was in the 70s and 80s. The
world changes, but it does not mean it is always for the worse.
To @is it... | 8:10 a.m. July 7, 2009
Great! 20 years after the biggest problems stopped, we acted to end them....
Meanwhile, the same and worse is happening in Darfur and we say and do nothing...
Perhaps in another 20 years we will feel inclined to act on Darfur....
Meanwhile, the same and worse is happening in Darfur and we say and do nothing...
Perhaps in another 20 years we will feel inclined to act on Darfur....
the worlds not falling apart | 8:11 a.m. July 7, 2009
I agree with the above posters the world is far from falling apart. There are
certainly areas of concern anytime there are wars and poverty but there has also
been much progress as Roland has eluded too. What is sad to me is that people
like the letter writer choose to focus in on narrow proclamations of what is bad
about the world instead of embracing what is good in the world and themselves.
NPR | 8:12 a.m. July 7, 2009
When this whole WMD thing was going on, I was listening to NPR everyday - I knew
there were no WMD.
Pretty sad when public radio has better intelligence than what our elected officials have access to.
Pretty sad when public radio has better intelligence than what our elected officials have access to.
Phantom | 8:13 a.m. July 7, 2009
Another coded anti-Obama letter? Sidney, you're being too vague - you
didn't even credit the writer of whom you quote. Say what you want to say;
there's integrity in clear communication also.
Anonymous | 8:16 a.m. July 7, 2009
Is this todays 'get off my lawn' letter?
In my day, the world was made of cotton candy and lollipops and everything was perfect except the walking up hill to school both ways.
In my day, the world was made of cotton candy and lollipops and everything was perfect except the walking up hill to school both ways.
is it any wonder? @ 7:18 | 8:21 a.m. July 7, 2009
When you have America's first and only preemptive war based on bare-faced
lies and costing gazillions of taxpayer dollars per day and indebting our
children, just to appear "patriotic" in the history books, it's
no wonder the morality of the country has eroded.
Life is public now | 8:30 a.m. July 7, 2009
There was a time in this nation's history where an affair like Governor
Sanford's would not have been reported. The internet changed all that.
The same sins were happening in "the good ol days". Now we hear about them fast and often.
The same sins were happening in "the good ol days". Now we hear about them fast and often.
Ernest T. Bass | 8:32 a.m. July 7, 2009
That is a complete myth.
Read the book: "The way we never were".
It illustrates they myth that prior generations were somehow more "moral" than the current one.
The fact is "moral" is a relative term but if you're talking about sexual promiscuity, past generations were NOT more 'moral'.
If your idea of "morals" is taking money from other people/old women, in ponzi schemes, then this generation if far WORSE than past generations.
Republicans have proven to have loose morals, but at least we have dems to look up to.
Read the book: "The way we never were".
It illustrates they myth that prior generations were somehow more "moral" than the current one.
The fact is "moral" is a relative term but if you're talking about sexual promiscuity, past generations were NOT more 'moral'.
If your idea of "morals" is taking money from other people/old women, in ponzi schemes, then this generation if far WORSE than past generations.
Republicans have proven to have loose morals, but at least we have dems to look up to.
Grover | 8:40 a.m. July 7, 2009
Could the publisher of this letter please supply us with the answer key? There
seems to be a point here and much anguish in making it, but what it is escapes
me.
@ernest t base | 8:59 a.m. July 7, 2009
great book, read it, loved it!
Hypocrisy | 9:06 a.m. July 7, 2009
Morals are erroding and it starts from up top.
Lying about WMD.
Declaring a particular country a threat to our national security when they really weren't.
Saying that a particular country harbored terrorists when they really didn't.
Declaring a mission is accomplished years before it really ever was.
Saying that you're the man for the people when in reality you ignore health care problems, education, illegal immigration, and give tax cuts for the rich.
Kill thousands of innocents.
Offend allies.
Ignore real threats to our country, like N Korea.
Lie.
Torture "suspected" terrorists.
Make yourself king.
Take away the rights of Americans.
Release names of CIA agents.
Pardon the punishments of proven and sentenced criminals.
Play dirty politics.
Failed to keep Americans safe and allowing the worst terrorist attack in our history to occur.
Refused to act after a devastating Hurricane destroyed a major city.
Yes, I would say that morals are eroding in our country. Good thing change came and not a minute too soon!
Lying about WMD.
Declaring a particular country a threat to our national security when they really weren't.
Saying that a particular country harbored terrorists when they really didn't.
Declaring a mission is accomplished years before it really ever was.
Saying that you're the man for the people when in reality you ignore health care problems, education, illegal immigration, and give tax cuts for the rich.
Kill thousands of innocents.
Offend allies.
Ignore real threats to our country, like N Korea.
Lie.
Torture "suspected" terrorists.
Make yourself king.
Take away the rights of Americans.
Release names of CIA agents.
Pardon the punishments of proven and sentenced criminals.
Play dirty politics.
Failed to keep Americans safe and allowing the worst terrorist attack in our history to occur.
Refused to act after a devastating Hurricane destroyed a major city.
Yes, I would say that morals are eroding in our country. Good thing change came and not a minute too soon!
Common Sense | 9:16 a.m. July 7, 2009
There's been a gradual degeneration.
While the rising generation (with outstanding exceptions)have often been 'enabled' by those parents and others who have not taught morality, or made excuses for immoral and irresponsible children, everyone ultimately must accept personal responsiblity.
People did ignorantly smoke tobacco two generations ago (a generation now mostly dead) but did not smoke heroin and cocaine. They did not usually opt for a hedonistic lifestyle.
Some of the next generation took marijuana and were more promiscuous, on average, than before. Other 'recreational' drugs followed. Tobacco was used less. Homosexuality began to be excused, along with adultery and fornication generally.
So far as 'crime' rates are concerned it depends on changing definitions of crime, with today's definitions often different than previously. Children under 18 are now often adjudged blameless 'victims' when they commit crimes, and there is an increasingly enabling secret and permissive tribunal known as the "juvenile court" still in place. Some crimes are no longer on the books or not prosecuted.
We blur the distiction between unwed mothers and young married couples in their (usually late) teens by talking only of "teenage pregnancy", as if the evil was not promiscuity but having babies.
While the rising generation (with outstanding exceptions)have often been 'enabled' by those parents and others who have not taught morality, or made excuses for immoral and irresponsible children, everyone ultimately must accept personal responsiblity.
People did ignorantly smoke tobacco two generations ago (a generation now mostly dead) but did not smoke heroin and cocaine. They did not usually opt for a hedonistic lifestyle.
Some of the next generation took marijuana and were more promiscuous, on average, than before. Other 'recreational' drugs followed. Tobacco was used less. Homosexuality began to be excused, along with adultery and fornication generally.
So far as 'crime' rates are concerned it depends on changing definitions of crime, with today's definitions often different than previously. Children under 18 are now often adjudged blameless 'victims' when they commit crimes, and there is an increasingly enabling secret and permissive tribunal known as the "juvenile court" still in place. Some crimes are no longer on the books or not prosecuted.
We blur the distiction between unwed mothers and young married couples in their (usually late) teens by talking only of "teenage pregnancy", as if the evil was not promiscuity but having babies.
@common sense | 9:39 a.m. July 7, 2009
the problem is your "common sense" does not square with the research
or history. Try looking up some stats or read a book you maybe surprised. you
will also likely find the exact same statements you are making that where made
by someone else claiming "common sense" 150 years ago.
Old timer | 9:42 a.m. July 7, 2009
I've been around long enough and seen enough that I absolutely agree with
the letter writer.
@@common sense | 10:17 a.m. July 7, 2009
I am a historian. I have a personal library of well over a thousand books.
Your pathetic response tells me nothing specific. It is the usual trite and
insulting protest of an ignoramus.
Eloquence | 10:28 a.m. July 7, 2009
What is most eloquent of the state of morals at present, is that in practically
all the posts above you have either simple denial, shifting the blame, or
changing the subject.
Anyone who has been around for more than twenty or thirty years has seen a drastic lowering of standards in their own lifetime and it is ugly.
My wife and I were just comparing notes this morning as to one part of this.
At school you were taught not to answer a teacher back unless he / she was clearly, demonstrably and seriously in the wrong. Then there was a civilized and proper time and place for protest.
Now a student can not only frivolously complain but can seriously abuse a teacher verbally but the teacher hardly dares to apply any significant punishment.
There must be order in schools. When it breaks down no-one can learn very much of value from their class. I saw, in High School, how a class of students destroyed one teacher who was found to be weak on discipline, and literally sent him to the mad house.
Many teachers today just leave the profession or just give the students pretty much whatever they want.
Anyone who has been around for more than twenty or thirty years has seen a drastic lowering of standards in their own lifetime and it is ugly.
My wife and I were just comparing notes this morning as to one part of this.
At school you were taught not to answer a teacher back unless he / she was clearly, demonstrably and seriously in the wrong. Then there was a civilized and proper time and place for protest.
Now a student can not only frivolously complain but can seriously abuse a teacher verbally but the teacher hardly dares to apply any significant punishment.
There must be order in schools. When it breaks down no-one can learn very much of value from their class. I saw, in High School, how a class of students destroyed one teacher who was found to be weak on discipline, and literally sent him to the mad house.
Many teachers today just leave the profession or just give the students pretty much whatever they want.
wallofvoodoo | 10:33 a.m. July 7, 2009
This is Utah, you can lie, cheat & steal and still call yourself honest if
you are making money.
Anonymous | 10:34 a.m. July 7, 2009
We had slavery. There were those young women who died in the sweat sop because
the doors were chained. WE had child labor. Jackson was born out of marriage. We
had the Trial of Tears and the Long March. Most western towns had brothels.
Ogden had it's 24th Street. There was Mountain Meadows.
We do a poor job of teaching our history. Even, in the story of David there's murder and promiscuity.
We do a poor job of teaching our history. Even, in the story of David there's murder and promiscuity.
Why each generation complains | 10:42 a.m. July 7, 2009
It's because each generation HAS become worse thn the succeeding generation
for a long time, that each generation complains that things are getting
worse.
History has cycles in which morals go downhill, so to speak, over a long period of time. Then a disaster or more likely a series of serious disasters occur as a natural result of the moral decline, and the remaining population feels chastened. Behavior then often improves as people see the events they have suffered through as the correction of the gods, or of the God.
After, usually a relatively brief, time of reform and improvement in behavior, a long period of decline sets in, often fairly gradual at first.
This is when successive generations each complain of declining standards.
We are, in my opinion, close to the catastrophic end to one such cycle.
History has cycles in which morals go downhill, so to speak, over a long period of time. Then a disaster or more likely a series of serious disasters occur as a natural result of the moral decline, and the remaining population feels chastened. Behavior then often improves as people see the events they have suffered through as the correction of the gods, or of the God.
After, usually a relatively brief, time of reform and improvement in behavior, a long period of decline sets in, often fairly gradual at first.
This is when successive generations each complain of declining standards.
We are, in my opinion, close to the catastrophic end to one such cycle.
Anonymous | 10:48 a.m. July 7, 2009
"When we have presidents who are willing to in debt our children, just to
lessen the pain of financial difficulties now."
In debt is two words.
Your argument is, would be better, letting America sink into a deep depression where your kids have few economic opportunities; like a job?
What is moral about criticizing someone trying to solve a people when you ignore, those created the problem he's trying to clean up? More Utah values to behold.
This is like complaining about the color of the paint used on a fence but, you don't get outraged by the vandals who made painting the fence necessary because you don't like the race of the painter or people just told you stories about him.
Why can't conservatives comprehend a recession is drop in demand? I drop in demand makes people save and businesses cut back. This causes more unemployment. People without jobs don't spoent as much dropping demand.
You never read. That's work. How can you be expected to know 70% of all economic activity is created by consumer spending. It's the middle class and not the wealthy that buy the most.
In debt is two words.
Your argument is, would be better, letting America sink into a deep depression where your kids have few economic opportunities; like a job?
What is moral about criticizing someone trying to solve a people when you ignore, those created the problem he's trying to clean up? More Utah values to behold.
This is like complaining about the color of the paint used on a fence but, you don't get outraged by the vandals who made painting the fence necessary because you don't like the race of the painter or people just told you stories about him.
Why can't conservatives comprehend a recession is drop in demand? I drop in demand makes people save and businesses cut back. This causes more unemployment. People without jobs don't spoent as much dropping demand.
You never read. That's work. How can you be expected to know 70% of all economic activity is created by consumer spending. It's the middle class and not the wealthy that buy the most.
To Common Sense | 10:54 a.m. July 7, 2009
Of course you focus on drugs and sex, as though those are the only
"moral" issues. You don't choose to see that we are a MORE moral
nation when it comes to racism or sexism or many other areas that have improved
over the years.
AB | 12:03 p.m. July 7, 2009
RE:"is it any wonder? @ 7:18"
"When you have America's first and only preemptive war based on bare-faced lies and costing gazillions of taxpayer dollars per day and indebting our children, just to appear "patriotic" in the history books, it's no wonder the morality of the country has eroded."
So you are saying Clinton, Gore,Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy and their chums were just trying to appear patriotic? Becuase the "inconvenient truth" is that they were fully behind disarming Saddam as much as anyone on the right. Lets apply credit where it's due now children. We shouldn't forget who was playing along....
"When you have America's first and only preemptive war based on bare-faced lies and costing gazillions of taxpayer dollars per day and indebting our children, just to appear "patriotic" in the history books, it's no wonder the morality of the country has eroded."
So you are saying Clinton, Gore,Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy and their chums were just trying to appear patriotic? Becuase the "inconvenient truth" is that they were fully behind disarming Saddam as much as anyone on the right. Lets apply credit where it's due now children. We shouldn't forget who was playing along....
to Anonymous 10:48 | 12:12 p.m. July 7, 2009
"in debt" - two words - is something that one person is - for example,
if I loan you $20, you would be in debt to me for $20.
"indebt" - one word - means to bring into debt - for example, if my mother borrows $20 with the promise that I will pay it back for her, she has indebted me. Because of our personal relationship, my mother can indebt me. (It is an uncommon usage, but a correct usage none-the-less.)
"indebt" - one word - means to bring into debt - for example, if my mother borrows $20 with the promise that I will pay it back for her, she has indebted me. Because of our personal relationship, my mother can indebt me. (It is an uncommon usage, but a correct usage none-the-less.)
the great irony... | 12:28 p.m. July 7, 2009
re: Roland Kayser | 12:29 a.m. July 7, 2009
//The crime rate is far lower than it was twenty-five years ago. The teen pregnancy rate is lower, the divorce rate is lower, the abortion rate is lower. Teens take fewer drugs and smoke fewer cigarettes than their parents did. Some things have gotten worse, but there is good news out there if you want to look for it.//
is Religion is alot more prominent now than 25 yrs ago.
//The crime rate is far lower than it was twenty-five years ago. The teen pregnancy rate is lower, the divorce rate is lower, the abortion rate is lower. Teens take fewer drugs and smoke fewer cigarettes than their parents did. Some things have gotten worse, but there is good news out there if you want to look for it.//
is Religion is alot more prominent now than 25 yrs ago.
What MORALS??? | 12:29 p.m. July 7, 2009
As a nation, the US is 40% moral, faith based and patriotic and 60% godless,
moral-less and socialistic. Take a look at the internet and highest traffic web
sites are the porn sites by a LARGE margin. The US is no long a great nation
although there still are some great people in this country - but as a whole the
US is morally bankrupt. It is no wonder that impostors like Barack Obama get
elected with the sort of shallow, clueless electorate we have today.
Darrel | 1:05 p.m. July 7, 2009
Fantastic points of discussion to "the great irony" and "What
MORALS???"
Religion is not the sole possesor of morals, and it is possible to be moral and "godless". For example theft is morally wrong, and there not many people, atheist or theist, that will argue otherwise.
One excellent question is: how are you measuring morality? Is it sex and drugs? There are more issues involved with morality, such as honesty, kindness, love for fellow man. Is the man that helps you change a flat tire on the side of the road an immoral person because he is living with his girlfriend, or boyfriend?
Religion is not the sole possesor of morals, and it is possible to be moral and "godless". For example theft is morally wrong, and there not many people, atheist or theist, that will argue otherwise.
One excellent question is: how are you measuring morality? Is it sex and drugs? There are more issues involved with morality, such as honesty, kindness, love for fellow man. Is the man that helps you change a flat tire on the side of the road an immoral person because he is living with his girlfriend, or boyfriend?
RED STATES | 1:09 p.m. July 7, 2009
A recent investigative report found that RED STATES had the HIGHEST use of PORN
SITES.
It is no wonder that imposters like NOOT GRINGRICH have become the FACE OF RE-PUB/CON AMERICA.
It is no wonder that imposters like NOOT GRINGRICH have become the FACE OF RE-PUB/CON AMERICA.
Rush to war | 1:33 p.m. July 7, 2009
The Cheney/Bush administration rushed to war with Iraq and got what they wanted
by telling America there were WMD's in Iraq when they knew better.
Today the only people benefitting from this travesty
(shock-and-aweing of Iraq's women and children) are Dick and Lynne Cheney, former CEO's of two major defense contractors who also received no-bid contracts to boot. The cost to we taxpayers is still ongoing (trillions) with no end in sight, bankrupting this country and stiffing our kids with the bill.
Now, let's talk about "morals eroding in the U.S."
Today the only people benefitting from this travesty
(shock-and-aweing of Iraq's women and children) are Dick and Lynne Cheney, former CEO's of two major defense contractors who also received no-bid contracts to boot. The cost to we taxpayers is still ongoing (trillions) with no end in sight, bankrupting this country and stiffing our kids with the bill.
Now, let's talk about "morals eroding in the U.S."
Bender Rodriguez | 1:45 p.m. July 7, 2009
re: What MORALS??? | 12:29 p.m. July 7, 2009
//As a nation, the US is 40% moral, faith based and patriotic//
I thought only 27% of people ascribed to the current neocon philosophy.... no wonder you lot don't like science... you're bad @ Math.
//As a nation, the US is 40% moral, faith based and patriotic//
I thought only 27% of people ascribed to the current neocon philosophy.... no wonder you lot don't like science... you're bad @ Math.
AB | 2:23 p.m. July 7, 2009
Rush to War- see my previous post at 12:03. Dont forget to include your liberal
friends who were beating the war drums.
Anonymous | 2:43 p.m. July 7, 2009
Moral ruin. Societal decay. Time for the true believers to packs up and move
to the hinterlands, barricade themselves behing walls to keep out the impure,
and wait for the last days.
Oops! People have been saying the same thing for how many thousands of years?
Oops! People have been saying the same thing for how many thousands of years?
@is it any wonder? @ 7:18 | 2:48 p.m. July 7, 2009
Maybe you need to go back and look at history. The GWB of the 1800's James
K. Polk sent troops to mexico and when they were attacked told the public that
we had to go to war and used this to gain the northern mexican territories,
california, utah, nevada and arizona and parts of other surronding states. So
no, this is not America's first preemtive war based on lies.
Mike Richards | 2:52 p.m. July 7, 2009
Sorry to disagree with you Roland, but did you add in the 48,000,000 abortions
when you wrote about fewer teen pregnancies?
In my world, killing an unborn baby is much, much more damning than the alternative: letting those who had intercourse be responsible for their actions. The last time I checked, adoption agencies couldn't even start to fill requests from married couples who wanted to adopt.
Stating that morality is up or morality is down, when measuring with the rubber ruler of government statistics, is meaningless. Yes, fewer teenagers smoke, but more experiment with drugs. Sexual intercourse among teenagers may be down - statistically - but oral sex is at an all-time high. The teenage birthrate may be down, but abortions more than make up the difference.
Not everything is falling apart. There are many, many young people who have decided to live good and noble lives, who ignore their careless peers, who are truly the pride of America.
As in all things, morality depends on the individual. Forcing someone to be moral is no more effective than forcing someone to do good.
In my world, killing an unborn baby is much, much more damning than the alternative: letting those who had intercourse be responsible for their actions. The last time I checked, adoption agencies couldn't even start to fill requests from married couples who wanted to adopt.
Stating that morality is up or morality is down, when measuring with the rubber ruler of government statistics, is meaningless. Yes, fewer teenagers smoke, but more experiment with drugs. Sexual intercourse among teenagers may be down - statistically - but oral sex is at an all-time high. The teenage birthrate may be down, but abortions more than make up the difference.
Not everything is falling apart. There are many, many young people who have decided to live good and noble lives, who ignore their careless peers, who are truly the pride of America.
As in all things, morality depends on the individual. Forcing someone to be moral is no more effective than forcing someone to do good.
re: AB @ 2:23 | 3:09 p.m. July 7, 2009
"Dont forget to include your liberal friends who were beating the war
drums."
Nice try neocon, but President Obama was against the lie from the very beginning.
The rest of the lawmakers (Demos & Republicans) merely fell for the Cheney/Bush administration's clever lies hook, line and sinker and were made out as traitors for disagreeing with Bush/Cheney.
And now look at the expensive mess were are in - not to mention all the lives lost.
Nice try neocon, but President Obama was against the lie from the very beginning.
The rest of the lawmakers (Demos & Republicans) merely fell for the Cheney/Bush administration's clever lies hook, line and sinker and were made out as traitors for disagreeing with Bush/Cheney.
And now look at the expensive mess were are in - not to mention all the lives lost.
Grover | 3:12 p.m. July 7, 2009
I thought Mike was going to close with the line from the fifties musical:
"Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way? Oh what's
the matter with kids today?"
re: Mike Richards | 3:13 p.m. July 7, 2009
In my world forcing people to enter into America's first and only
preemptive war clearly based on lies, bombing innocent Iraqi women and children,
deaths of our soldiers (7 more yesterday) and bankrupting our country paying for
the mess at zillions per day while passing the bill along to our children and
our children's children while the war profiteers get filthy rich, is as
IMMORAL as you can get.
Rodger | 3:14 p.m. July 7, 2009
Baloney! People now are no better or worse than they have ever been. Still lie,
cheat and steal and still stop to help others. Just more people now and faster
reporting of gossip by the talking heads and paper pushers.
Anonymous | 3:14 p.m. July 7, 2009
Smoking and drugs are NOT moral issues.
re: Anonymous 3:14 | 3:54 p.m. July 7, 2009
So harming your own body isn't a moral issue? Why are pregnant women
specifically counseled not to smoke if it's not a moral issue? Why are
there "crack babies" if drugs aren't a moral issue?
sloth and morality | 4:21 p.m. July 7, 2009
Out-of-control obesity is sloth and sloth is one of the 7 Deadly Sins. It costs
taxpayers zillions in lost work, heart disease, diabetes etc. etc.
Take a look at some of our Utah brothers and sisters and see sin running rampant.
Take a look at some of our Utah brothers and sisters and see sin running rampant.
Anonymous | 4:23 p.m. July 7, 2009
Who has morals?, law recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states
and countries went into effect in the nation's capital, and a D.C.
councilman said he plans to follow up with a measure that would allow gay
marriage ceremonies in the district. What are morals?. Any of you mormons know?.
Roland Kayser | 4:35 p.m. July 7, 2009
To Mike Richards: The teen pregnancy rate and the abortion rate are lower than
they were 20-30 years ago. This comparison is made after abortion was legalized
nationwide, not before.
Ernest T. Bass | 5:09 p.m. July 7, 2009
Religious type folks tend to confuse morals with ethics. Republicans and
religious folk tend to have poor ethics and think everyone should live by their
definition of "morals"
Morals are up to how an individual wants to live their life. See my earlier post, sexual "morals" are no worse now than they've ever been. Humans have always been very sexual beings.
"Morals" have nothing to do with sex in many, many societies, past and present.
Better "morals" in the past is a complete myth.
There are more people living in societies where they have basic human rights, than ever before.
So-called "moral" people owned slaves. Think about that, owning another human being was considered moral not too long ago.
Taking away human rights was considered "moral" not all that long ago and as we saw last Nov in California, it still is.
"Morals" is up to an individual, not a society.
Get over yourself.
Morals are up to how an individual wants to live their life. See my earlier post, sexual "morals" are no worse now than they've ever been. Humans have always been very sexual beings.
"Morals" have nothing to do with sex in many, many societies, past and present.
Better "morals" in the past is a complete myth.
There are more people living in societies where they have basic human rights, than ever before.
So-called "moral" people owned slaves. Think about that, owning another human being was considered moral not too long ago.
Taking away human rights was considered "moral" not all that long ago and as we saw last Nov in California, it still is.
"Morals" is up to an individual, not a society.
Get over yourself.
Morals and ethics | 5:36 p.m. July 7, 2009
Those who want to talk ethics, craftily distinguishing it from morals, seem to
forget that this discussion is about "Morals eroding in the US" (see
title to thread).
Some have said this is true; morals ARE eroding in the USA. Others are now saying "morals are not important". While admitting that morals are lower today than previousl they seem to say "but that isn't as important an issue as racism, or helping someone change a flat tire.
Back on the subject of morals. They ARE worse than before and by a huge margin. Now one in four young women has a sexually-transmitted disease, and there are tens of thousands of abortions annually. This was once regarded as homicide I believe.
The murder rate has gone up, not even counting abortions, and people want to kill old people off, under the name of "euthanasia" and "mercy killing".
Abortions and adultery are hideous signs that many people care nothing for their fellow man. Dishonesty is so bad that people are applauded for not stealing someone else's mislaid money.
Some have said this is true; morals ARE eroding in the USA. Others are now saying "morals are not important". While admitting that morals are lower today than previousl they seem to say "but that isn't as important an issue as racism, or helping someone change a flat tire.
Back on the subject of morals. They ARE worse than before and by a huge margin. Now one in four young women has a sexually-transmitted disease, and there are tens of thousands of abortions annually. This was once regarded as homicide I believe.
The murder rate has gone up, not even counting abortions, and people want to kill old people off, under the name of "euthanasia" and "mercy killing".
Abortions and adultery are hideous signs that many people care nothing for their fellow man. Dishonesty is so bad that people are applauded for not stealing someone else's mislaid money.
Divorce | 5:50 p.m. July 7, 2009
Don't know about divorce rates, but divorce is often unnecessary as so many
people are just "shacking up" nowadays.
It was practically unheard of only a few decades ago, but now has become so common that, on about every block, there is at least one couple shacked up together. In most big cities there are actually many couples per block shacked up together. In some areas it might be a bit hard to find anyone actually married.
It was practically unheard of only a few decades ago, but now has become so common that, on about every block, there is at least one couple shacked up together. In most big cities there are actually many couples per block shacked up together. In some areas it might be a bit hard to find anyone actually married.
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