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Jordan, Ogden teacher unions to share federal mediator
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Teachers know they're not immune | 10:41 a.m. July 6, 2009
Jordan teachers know they will take a pay cut, even though that was not well
reflected in this article. They would, however, like that pay cut to be similar
to what teachers in other districts are taking, not a much bigger cut than
others.
Which elementary principal is making 100,000? I think you just made that up.
Which elementary principal is making 100,000? I think you just made that up.
@Hey Teachers | 10:49 a.m. July 6, 2009
Yes, the $100,000 principal salary is NOT a teacher's salary, da.
You never negotiate your pay?
You never negotiate your pay?
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Get a Clue | 10:52 a.m. July 6, 2009
That is one a principal who has over 25 years experience in their field and at
least a Masters degree plus 40 university semester hours or an EdD. How much
time do you have in your career and how much education? This person deserves the
salary they are getting and in the business world for running a multi million
dollar organization would receive similar compensation (I know, I do). You show
your ignorance and your vindictiveness toward teachers and education in your
post. Please present the facts correctly. Also, teachers contracts give them the
time off. Don't like it and are jealous as your post suggest, why not go to
college and get the degree and certificate and have what they have IF you can do
their job.
Anonymous | 11:10 a.m. July 6, 2009
Principals may earn some of their pay if they mowed the lawn or cleaned up a
little. Start with the top heavy admin with the cuts then go after the
benefits. What a total waste of money the education system is.
Cost of Mediator | 12:13 p.m. July 6, 2009
I'm guessing the mediator will cost a few bucks, which in turn, take MORE
money away from teachers. I'm also guessing the mediator will look at
Jordan's budget numbers and laugh in the union's faces. Duh -- there
is no money this year. Be glad you have jobs!
Saddened | 1:02 p.m. July 6, 2009
Give the professional teachers credit and some deference, but if they are rank
and file union workers they should get paid like factory workers. The teacher
UEA is destroying public we by encouraging mediocrity.
Utah Dem | 2:31 p.m. July 6, 2009
Please reread the article Cost of Mediator - the feds are paying for the
mediator that is why these two districts are using her.
According to the Utah Right's website there is no elementary principal in Jordan District that makes $100,000.
Curious as to why Ogden will not divulge their issues - hmmmmm
According to the Utah Right's website there is no elementary principal in Jordan District that makes $100,000.
Curious as to why Ogden will not divulge their issues - hmmmmm
Oh, how fun! | 3:59 p.m. July 6, 2009
School Districts hate to have federal mediators come in because they do what is
called "fact finding." In other words, they start going through
district accounting books and uncovering hidden stashes of money they don't
want the public to see. With the Jordan split, there books have been ripped to
shreds, but I suspect that the Ogden district will settle before it reaches
"fact finding."
Teachers-clueless | 6:05 p.m. July 6, 2009
Get a clue! If teachers want better pay, benefits, and respect and deference
from the taxpayer try resigning from the UEA (the union that calls itself an
"association"). Until then, get used to being treated like your
average blue collar factory worker. The union is destroying public education
just like the unions have destroyed the US auto industry. Unfortunately, many
fantastic and gifted educators get lumped into the same category as the typical
union teacher who hides in the crowd and accepts mediocrity. Be professional
teachers, not rank and file union workers.
be glad you have a job? | 7:10 p.m. July 6, 2009
It is unfortunate to hear comments like "be glad you have a job" when
teachers are the people who literally control the lives of our young people
daily for a full school year. Ideally, we should be supportive of the caring
professionals who dedicate much more than their salary's worth to the
future generation. I'd wager that most people with the "be glad you
have a job" mentality couldn't juggle the multiple demands of student
discipline, curriculum, parent relations, school committees, and extra unpaid
classes designed to increase teaching ability. It takes a special skill set to
be a teacher. Thankfully, there are still people who are willing to get the
degree, learn through experience, and then suffer the low pay and lower esteem
of the public.
in ogden | 7:31 p.m. July 6, 2009
Ogden won't reveal their issues because they are trying to cut teacher
salary while maintaining district official salaries. Teachers were told at the
end of last year to expect a four percent pay cut. AT the time, district
officials were getting no pay cut.
Esteem of the public? | 9:17 p.m. July 6, 2009
How can teachers expect to garner public respect when they embrace the union
mentality of mediocrity? It is common knowledge that the UEA (utah's
teacher union) protects incompetent teachers. When teachers become
professionals again, then we'll talk about a raise. I drove by an
intersection about ten years ago and shook my head in disgust as I watched
teachers shout slogans while holding picket signs. For a brief moment I thought
I was in Detroit or Philly.... union central. Unionization for school teachers
was the biggest mistake ever? How will they ever unravel that one??? What a
shame.
To Esteem | 7:09 a.m. July 7, 2009
What is the true source of your anger at unions? If you have to go back ten
years to mention a specific criticism of the UEA, that is a stretch. I support
the UEA's efforts for do whatever it takes to have a strong public school
system in Utah.
teacher | 12:44 p.m. July 7, 2009
I am a teacher and I do not belong to a teacher's union. Less than half of
the teachers in our school do. You all need to quit associating teachers with
the teachers union. That is the only raise that teachers get when they quit the
union. I am a hard working teacher who deserves more respect than I get. When
I quit being an effective teacher then I would deserve to be fired. That is the
problem with our system. Pay teachers what they deserve and do away with tenure
and if a teacher isn't performing, fire them.
JO JO | 5:52 p.m. July 7, 2009
re:teacher | 12:44 p.m. July 7, 2009
There in lies the problem not a member of the union and talking tough!!
Maybe you should be fired!!
There in lies the problem not a member of the union and talking tough!!
Maybe you should be fired!!
Utah Dem | 11:52 a.m. July 8, 2009
Teacher - does the teacher's association perform all of the negotiations
with the school district regarding contracts? I believe they do, therefore, you
may not be paying dues to your 'union' but you certainly are at their
mercy.
Grams Janey | 1:49 p.m. July 8, 2009
The teacher association is NOT the problem. Utah is a right to work state and
teachers DO NOT have to join "the union". Teachers organize for
protection of their benefits,from unjustified complaints, poor working
conditions.
The association DOES NOT protect "bad teachers". Our contracts state the procedure for helping and/or eliminating bad teachers. Bad teachers are a smear on all teachers. But principals protect bad teachers because they don't want to go through the steps necessary to eliminate "bad teachers".
However, teachers can also be unjustly treated by a principal or parents. I have assisted teachers in both positions and have helped relieve the additional stress on those teachers.
The association DOES NOT protect "bad teachers". Our contracts state the procedure for helping and/or eliminating bad teachers. Bad teachers are a smear on all teachers. But principals protect bad teachers because they don't want to go through the steps necessary to eliminate "bad teachers".
However, teachers can also be unjustly treated by a principal or parents. I have assisted teachers in both positions and have helped relieve the additional stress on those teachers.
Re: Grams Janey | 10:00 p.m. July 8, 2009
I'm curious why you refer to the Union as a "teacher
association." Just because they call themselves and
"association" does not make it true. Sounds like you've been
indoctrinated like all of the other union teachers. Lowest wages, largest class
sizes, poor working conditions??? Sounds like your union is doing a great job.
When will Utah teachers learn that they are far better off without being
institutionalized by a labor union? The Union bills itself as an organization
that helps public education. Really? They care about kids? I guess teachers are
naive too.
The Dude | 12:07 a.m. July 9, 2009
RE:Esteem of the public? | 9:17 p.m. July 6, 2009
I have taught for over twenty years and never seen an organized teacher strike in Utah. Maybe you were in Detroit tough guy!!!
Perhaps there was a one day walkout, which by the way was made up at a later date.
Maybe you are onto something!! Given the comments in the recent education articles here in the D-News teachers should strike.
Since when is wanting a better life unprofessional?
Athletes want to go to the BIG GAME in their respective sports because they get paid to be there.
Doctors perform more surgeries because they make more money by doing so.
Police officers work the evening shift at concerts because they get paid for there time.
Yet, if teachers ask for chicken feed they are unprofessional. Truth is I do not know anyone willing to work for free.
I know our legislature went on record as saying "Teachers are of such good morale character they will work for free". Do they work for free? Do you work for free?
Since when does the Union protect incompetent teachers?
You are grossly misinformed.
U Bee Smurt…Get it???
I have taught for over twenty years and never seen an organized teacher strike in Utah. Maybe you were in Detroit tough guy!!!
Perhaps there was a one day walkout, which by the way was made up at a later date.
Maybe you are onto something!! Given the comments in the recent education articles here in the D-News teachers should strike.
Since when is wanting a better life unprofessional?
Athletes want to go to the BIG GAME in their respective sports because they get paid to be there.
Doctors perform more surgeries because they make more money by doing so.
Police officers work the evening shift at concerts because they get paid for there time.
Yet, if teachers ask for chicken feed they are unprofessional. Truth is I do not know anyone willing to work for free.
I know our legislature went on record as saying "Teachers are of such good morale character they will work for free". Do they work for free? Do you work for free?
Since when does the Union protect incompetent teachers?
You are grossly misinformed.
U Bee Smurt…Get it???
MOE JO | 12:15 a.m. July 9, 2009
RE:Hey Teachers | 10:03 a.m. July 6, 2009
If this is the real world then why are you making numbers up?
No teacher in Utah makes 100K!! Check again and you will find that is more than likely adminstrative pay!!
Another uneducated hater working a dead end job who more than likely knew it all when they were in school and is now having to make up stories about teachers.
Pathetic to say the least!!
If this is the real world then why are you making numbers up?
No teacher in Utah makes 100K!! Check again and you will find that is more than likely adminstrative pay!!
Another uneducated hater working a dead end job who more than likely knew it all when they were in school and is now having to make up stories about teachers.
Pathetic to say the least!!
To Union Bashers | 7:18 a.m. July 9, 2009
Just curious all you union bashers just how are teachers going to be better of
without there teachers association? Who would negotiate salaries and benefits
for them? Without a union I guess the state legislature would raise your taxes
and give them a pay increase if the union was gone. Who would protect their
right to due process when unfair allegations where made? I am guessing if their
was no union, there would be no unfair allegations made against teachers.
Unions protect the rights of workers, and in the case of teachers, they protect
the rights of union and non union members. Maybe it is time that some people in
this state quit drinking the unions are destroying America kool-aid, and start
looking at the greed of American corporations. Need a few examples, AIG,
CitiBank, the oil industry,(ever notice when the cost of a barrel of oil drops,
your price at the pump never gets back to what it was when oil was at that price
before). Look at the numbers compensation for corporate executives is going up
over 100 times more than the average worker.
anonymous#5 | 5:37 p.m. July 21, 2009
Also, remember that principals make more than teachers because they work more
hours. Teachers are only paid for days they work--not Christmas break, summer or
UEA. Teachers can increase their worth by getting more education and staying in
the field. Teachers need to be paid what they are worth--a lot of education!
Teachers work 180 days a year. The average worker works about 260 days with
vacation pay.Teachers do not receive any compensation for vacation time. If you
want excellent educators, you MUST pay them.Or else they do quit to make more
money.
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