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Brad Rock: Utah Jazz: Paul Millsap valuable but not a franchise changer
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sparks24 | 11:12 a.m. July 6, 2009
Clearly nice post great work. Jazz do overpay to keep this guy he is not Boozer
trujazz warrior | 11:21 a.m. July 6, 2009
Your right milsap is good he is a hard worker but starting at 10 million a
season get lost paul! I know that the thunder cant pay him that. Paul is worth
about 5 years 35-45 million. Not only that the size he is and the position that
he plays wont command a 10$ million salary he is a tweener and tweeners get
tweener money.
prices | 1:06 p.m. July 6, 2009
someone was talking about how expensive it is to go to a game? just a little on
that...i was at the lakers, celtics and both hornets games last year and didnt
pay more than 10 bucks for any ticket. given they were up there (nosebleeds) but
still, a lot of fun. you can find tickets for cheap, just look (internet). also
one of the hornets games and the celtics i got my tickets less than a week
before the game.
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Fan Favorite | 2:38 p.m. July 6, 2009
I never thought Milsap was a franchise player. I love to see him in a Jazz
uniform more than any other player. He represents everything that good about
basketball and pro-sports. He works hard and plays well and I would rather see
that in a player than what I see in Boozer and AK47 any day.
Tyler | 3:00 p.m. July 6, 2009
Truejazz warrior
PF tweeners only get paid more when it is beneficial to their play. Milsap is an undersized PF making his combination an hindrance to his productivity. If the Jazz pay more than $6 mil for him I will be extremely disappointed. This is coming from a Milsap fan too. Paul is not a player that we can build around or "the future of the Jazz," instead he is only a great hustle player who comes off the bench.
PF tweeners only get paid more when it is beneficial to their play. Milsap is an undersized PF making his combination an hindrance to his productivity. If the Jazz pay more than $6 mil for him I will be extremely disappointed. This is coming from a Milsap fan too. Paul is not a player that we can build around or "the future of the Jazz," instead he is only a great hustle player who comes off the bench.
Reality | 3:27 p.m. July 6, 2009
The only way for the Jazz to build a contender is via the draft.
Franchise changing/All-Star level free agents will not sign in Salt Lake City unless it is the last resort - non-elite free agents will sign w/ the Jazz if they overpay.
Small market teams pay a heavy price for overpaying players/free agent mistakes. Focus on the draft.
Franchise changing/All-Star level free agents will not sign in Salt Lake City unless it is the last resort - non-elite free agents will sign w/ the Jazz if they overpay.
Small market teams pay a heavy price for overpaying players/free agent mistakes. Focus on the draft.
I wish ...we had 5 Millsaps | 3:41 p.m. July 6, 2009
and lose miles..."the worthless one"
Jazzsmack | 6:36 p.m. July 6, 2009
RE: CJ3
RE: Anonymous | 9:12 a.m. July 6, 2009
Was detroit Offese BUILT around ben wallace?
HOW many teams have won championship with thier offense built around a 6'9 or shorter PF?
NOt since 70's when players and the tams were shorter.
LA is NOT built around gasol,
nowitzski plays NO defense.
Those 6'9 and under PFs were role players and bench players, NOT the feature player or players of the team.
An that's my point,
When you depend on a high scoring undersized PF (often with taller ones too like nowitzski, webber)you don't win championships.
a millsap or boozer might work as a role player,
if you had a dominant bigman that they played along side of,
if they are willing to be a role player,
or atleast willing to be the number two or three guy.
RE: Anonymous | 9:12 a.m. July 6, 2009
Was detroit Offese BUILT around ben wallace?
HOW many teams have won championship with thier offense built around a 6'9 or shorter PF?
NOt since 70's when players and the tams were shorter.
LA is NOT built around gasol,
nowitzski plays NO defense.
Those 6'9 and under PFs were role players and bench players, NOT the feature player or players of the team.
An that's my point,
When you depend on a high scoring undersized PF (often with taller ones too like nowitzski, webber)you don't win championships.
a millsap or boozer might work as a role player,
if you had a dominant bigman that they played along side of,
if they are willing to be a role player,
or atleast willing to be the number two or three guy.
Miles | 7:07 p.m. July 6, 2009
comma man great to see you back in action. Nice work
i am saying | 7:17 p.m. July 6, 2009
i belive harpering 6 mil klinko 16 mil boz 12 mil. caint build franchise around
them either. only one player on the team to do that williams. williams 15 mil
okur 9 mil millsap 9 mill brewer 7 mil. the rest dont matter.
TJ | 9:35 a.m. July 7, 2009
A lot of people are saying that Millsap is better than Boozer and that you
don't lose much when you lose Boozer. I disagree because Boozer is so good
with his post moves that teams will double team him and try to deny him the
ball. If you look when he came back from injury Korver started to shoot better.
Korver was shooting so bad and then Booz is back and gets double teamed then
Korver gets better looks. Not only Korver but the team started to shoot better
from outside. Millsap does not ever get double teamed and he can't catch
the ball on the block and make a move with his back to the basket. Boozer can. I
think Boozer is shouldn't be getting 12 mil a year but if you pay Millsap
anything over 6 you are shooting yourself in the foot. I say send Millsap and CJ
to Detroit for Hamilton. He hustles and plays defense and can score. Or Prince
also would be good. You can get more now if you trade millsap than if you trade
Boozer and you lose less of a threat if millsap leaves
re: TJ | 11:01 a.m. July 7, 2009
You like so many other fans only look at about half the game. True that Boozer
is the better offensive player but you forget that Boozer is also probably the
worst defensive starting PF in the NBA. The Jazz are a soft, weak defensive team
with little heart and those are all attributes Boozer brings to the table. The
Jazz are much better off with Millsap over Boozer because he brings some
toughness, defense and heart and his offensive game is improving. Paul's
offensive game isnt much different than Boozers was after 2 years in the league
and he has received less playing time.
True that Millsap is not a franchise player, but you only need one of those and a well rounded team to win a championship i.e. Detroit and San Antonio.
True that Millsap is not a franchise player, but you only need one of those and a well rounded team to win a championship i.e. Detroit and San Antonio.
Management | 3:24 p.m. July 7, 2009
Management called Okur's, Boozers, and Korvers bluffs on the opt outs.
The result?
They have them all playing again for less than if we would have extended their contracts.
They offer Millsap the qualifying 1 million dollar to keep him restricted. Maybe that is what he plays for next season?
Who is looking smart now?
The Jazz kept essentially everyone they wanted and it never cost them anymore than they had originally planned on. (Yes, they knew years ago that it was possible that they might pay a small amount of luxury tax for 1 year).
FACT:
Everyone around here in SLC believed at the beginning of last season that this team had a chance to contend. Hollinger of ESPN also said so IF they were healthy.
What happened? D-Will's ankle--out for 15 and affected his play the whole season. Bozo 45 games plus. AK--his ankle. Then Korvers wrist affected his shot ALL season. Then Okur goes down for the playoff series.
It is a freakin miracle we even made the playoffs and we were a top 3-4 seed until the final 5 games!!
Everyone is back--hopefully healthy to make a run!!!
The result?
They have them all playing again for less than if we would have extended their contracts.
They offer Millsap the qualifying 1 million dollar to keep him restricted. Maybe that is what he plays for next season?
Who is looking smart now?
The Jazz kept essentially everyone they wanted and it never cost them anymore than they had originally planned on. (Yes, they knew years ago that it was possible that they might pay a small amount of luxury tax for 1 year).
FACT:
Everyone around here in SLC believed at the beginning of last season that this team had a chance to contend. Hollinger of ESPN also said so IF they were healthy.
What happened? D-Will's ankle--out for 15 and affected his play the whole season. Bozo 45 games plus. AK--his ankle. Then Korvers wrist affected his shot ALL season. Then Okur goes down for the playoff series.
It is a freakin miracle we even made the playoffs and we were a top 3-4 seed until the final 5 games!!
Everyone is back--hopefully healthy to make a run!!!
TJ | 3:51 p.m. July 7, 2009
I disagree that Boozer is probably the worst defensive starting PF in teh NBA.
He is far from the best but every one talks about how bad he is when in reality
he does make plays on defense. He is also taller than Millsap. Odom and Gasol
get more offensive rebounds against Millsap than against Boozer. Teams back down
Millsap much more than Boozer. Millsap is a bette defender but to be honest I
would take Boozer over Millsap any day. I love Millsap and don't want to
see him go but if Booz will take a pay cut(not likely) then I say keep him and
dump Paul if needs be. I think what really needs to happen is that both should
probably be traded to really get to a championship contender though. I just
think IF Boozer is healthy(also not likely) for an an entire season then he
would be a much better peice than Millsap. Millsap is too small to play PF and
too bad of a shooter to play the 3. Most analysts say that Boozer is one of the
top PFs in the game when healthy and Millsap is a top 6th man
millie ripped off | 4:28 p.m. July 7, 2009
last year at 760.000 yes what ever he gets paid is a big jump. that dosent mean
he is not worth that big of a pay raise that means he was about the lowest paid
man in the nba. players on the jazz that never played made more.it was kind of
sicking to watch him play knowing what they was paying him when he was playing
hurt i figured he would blow a knee out then they would throw him away like a
piece of gum and never cross there mind again. so i hope he gets what ever he
can out of them. still think other teams are looking we just aint hearing. hope
he gets his 10 mil in okc bet the fans would love to have him.
Millsap ... | 6:03 p.m. July 7, 2009
is listed at 6`8,250 Artest at 6`7,246,maybe we should look at Paul being more
of an Artest than a Malone....Paul is quick for his size,could slide over to the
3 spot depending on the match-up and still play some 4/5 once again depending on
the situatuon,I`m up-beat about this year,PG-Williams/whoever,SG
Brewer/Korver,SF AK/Millsap,PF Boozer/Millsap/Koufos,Center
Memo/Koufos/Fes,thats nine deep,Sloan rarely goes deeper,whacha all think?
Millsap | 6:11 p.m. July 7, 2009
needs to work on his 15-18 foot jumper,if it improves a bit he could play some
at the 3,which I think is by far our weak spot,if nothing else start AK at the 3
at least we have get some scoring/rebounding/blocks and defense,last year was a
terrible experiment gone wrong with miles at the SF
todd from santa ana | 9:04 p.m. July 7, 2009
Sloanaholics: How do any of you know IF cj WAS INSTRUCTED by your leader to
stand behind the 3 point line and stay out of the way as much as possible and if
open just shoot...
When I hear again how Jerry develops young players..Sure that is why after 3 years people still do not know if Ron can shoot enough to be a solid #2 guard. I agree with Miles on this, I think CJ has a world of potential and can be outstanding in this league. A lot of it not developing maybe he is lazy, then again it is up to all the coaches to bring the best out of him. To me Ty Corbin should have the assignment to be like a personal mentor...
Please remember the playoffs are different than the season. The Jazz defense against the bottom 5 garbage West teams and many east teams because of the firepower can get by playing average-poor defense.
The squad you develop needs to be built not only for regular season but playoffs because that is what matters.
When I hear again how Jerry develops young players..Sure that is why after 3 years people still do not know if Ron can shoot enough to be a solid #2 guard. I agree with Miles on this, I think CJ has a world of potential and can be outstanding in this league. A lot of it not developing maybe he is lazy, then again it is up to all the coaches to bring the best out of him. To me Ty Corbin should have the assignment to be like a personal mentor...
Please remember the playoffs are different than the season. The Jazz defense against the bottom 5 garbage West teams and many east teams because of the firepower can get by playing average-poor defense.
The squad you develop needs to be built not only for regular season but playoffs because that is what matters.
miles | 8:19 a.m. July 8, 2009
isn`t that good of a outside shooter,average at best,and he does nothing
else...does nothing to make the Jazz better,GO JAZZ
CJ3 | 9:12 a.m. July 8, 2009
Jsmack,
I'm pretty sure you mean Rasheed Wallace, rather than Ben. Sheed was the PF, Ben the C.
That Detroit team was built around a system centered on execution and defense, period, no specific player.
The Jazz sysytem depends on a solid low-post scorer to succeed, fed by who I believe to be the man it is built around, a guard...Deron Williams.
I'd love to nab a 7-foot PF, but the fact is that big men with that kind of talent can't be found just running around the local playground. Height is not simply the only piece of a championship puzzle.
I'm pretty sure you mean Rasheed Wallace, rather than Ben. Sheed was the PF, Ben the C.
That Detroit team was built around a system centered on execution and defense, period, no specific player.
The Jazz sysytem depends on a solid low-post scorer to succeed, fed by who I believe to be the man it is built around, a guard...Deron Williams.
I'd love to nab a 7-foot PF, but the fact is that big men with that kind of talent can't be found just running around the local playground. Height is not simply the only piece of a championship puzzle.
Does Money make the player? | 2:59 p.m. July 10, 2009
We all know that the players are overpaid and i wish that there were some kind
of guidelines on what a player should make. Look @ Portlands track record last
year there two highest paid players were not even on the floor or the
bench..Steve Francis around 12 Mil and LaFrence about the same...now they r done
with that nightmare they are trying to re-enter another..big money ok player/
big hopes/ overexpectations...my point is money doesn't make anyonone a
better player...so dont over pay..and then overexpect!!!You will always be
disapointed
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