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Minerman | 6:17 a.m. July 5, 2009
If the Jazz actually did make a run to the Western Conference Finals they would
recoup almost all (if not just a bit more) than what they paid in luxury tax.
From what I've read, each home game in the playoffs nets Miller about 1 million, and they get a decent amount for the road games. If the Jazz play an average of 3 home games, over 3 series, plus what they get for road games, television rights, and merchandizing revenue, they would make up 12-15 million. While they many not get the money from the sharing agreement for going over the tax, they at least make a marginal profit. And if it looks like they aren't going to be that good, a mid season salary dump gets it done. The jazz still have lots of options. I'm not too worried.
From what I've read, each home game in the playoffs nets Miller about 1 million, and they get a decent amount for the road games. If the Jazz play an average of 3 home games, over 3 series, plus what they get for road games, television rights, and merchandizing revenue, they would make up 12-15 million. While they many not get the money from the sharing agreement for going over the tax, they at least make a marginal profit. And if it looks like they aren't going to be that good, a mid season salary dump gets it done. The jazz still have lots of options. I'm not too worried.
Mistake | 8:47 a.m. July 5, 2009
Based on the data to date, I think the Jazz shouldn't have matched the
offer for Miles. He's a good guy with potential, but not worth the money
he is getting. Brewer, Korver, Kirilenko, Harpring, & D-will can cover all
of the available minutes at the 2 & 3 positions. Maynor & Price can
take care of the backup pg minutes. Booze & Millsap will get the PF
minutes, and Okur, Koufos, Fesenko, & Suton are more than enough bodies to
cover the center position. Next season some combination of Okur, Booze,
Korver,& Harpring could be gone. The 2010 free agent market is supposed to
be huge. Perhaps the Jazz could make a run at one or two quality players. In
2010, Kirilenko's contract will also have one year remaining, meaning it
could become valuable for a team looking for some financial wiggle room in 2011.
Add in next year's pick from NY and I think the Jazz are well positioned
to improve the team without missing the playoffs this year.
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LVJazzFan | 10:13 a.m. July 5, 2009
Jazz may have not wanted Boozer back. But they will be a better team with him
aboard than without him. Long term, Detroit did better getting Charlie V over
CB or PM.
Let's stop calling getting CJ for 4 mil a year for the next 3 years a bad deal. It still makes sense. He would have been a Senior at Texas this last year and given the derth of talent in this years draft he would have been a top 15 pick making about that money. He started over Kyle K who makes 1.5 mil more. Plays better D than KK and is a better finisher. He isn't a pure shooter like KK but he is a scorer. If he does show some motivation in the offseason everyone on this board will be eating crow.
Let's stop calling getting CJ for 4 mil a year for the next 3 years a bad deal. It still makes sense. He would have been a Senior at Texas this last year and given the derth of talent in this years draft he would have been a top 15 pick making about that money. He started over Kyle K who makes 1.5 mil more. Plays better D than KK and is a better finisher. He isn't a pure shooter like KK but he is a scorer. If he does show some motivation in the offseason everyone on this board will be eating crow.
Next years free agent pool=Deep | 11:03 a.m. July 5, 2009
The only problem is half the league is dumping salaries to get ready for next
year. Most star players will not come to Utah ie) Lebron & Wade. However if
they can land someone like Bosh, and build around Bosh and Williams will solid
role players, the Jazz will be a top 3 team in the West.
Anonymous | 11:49 a.m. July 5, 2009
Don't forget that in an article last week Sloan (I think) said that they
like to have 3 point guards in their system. So keeping CJ was an answer to
that.
jbra80 | 11:54 a.m. July 5, 2009
We've got plenty of options available to us. I still think some sort of
trade for mcgrady(involving harp and AK) would make sense, not a trade for the
player but a trade for his expiring contract. If he plays...great. If he
doesn't...no big deal. As is, this team is not making a deep playoff run
anyway. I know we made it to the western finals w/ same team, but it was a fluke
and aside from Suns, the top teams have gotten better since then. Who knows
maybe Deron could get tmac out of 1st round. Then we trade booz for a player
who's contract is only 75% of his, and then dump Korver at deadline if
season isn't looking up. Then we'll have some FA money next year to
play with. I think the team needs a legit defensive center and a legit scoring
back-up 2 guard and I think both wouldn't be that hard if we get
aggressive. Lets not play the waiting game.
LaVar | 1:26 p.m. July 5, 2009
Trading expiring contracts (Boozer) for multiyear contracts (Hamilton) is the
exact opposite of what the Jazz need to do in order to clear cap space.
Players with small contracts (Fesenko, Miles, Price) and players with reasonable contracts based on their productivity (Korver, Okur, Williams, even Boozer to an extent) are not the issue. The issue is AK making max money while putting up mid-level exception numbers the past several years.
Boozer's injuries have been an issue, obviously, but it is not like he tried to hurt his knee last season. AK appears to still be able to significantly affect a game defensively and with his all around game, yet is choosing not to do so. If he could get cut, as in the NFL, he would be playing hard. But he has guaranteed money in the NBA, so he does not have to play hard the way he did prior to getting the big contract. AK is problem number 1, 2, and 3.
AK for McGrady would dump AKs salary in 10-11. Gotta consider it. That would cut something like 50 mil in salaries at the end of this next season.
Players with small contracts (Fesenko, Miles, Price) and players with reasonable contracts based on their productivity (Korver, Okur, Williams, even Boozer to an extent) are not the issue. The issue is AK making max money while putting up mid-level exception numbers the past several years.
Boozer's injuries have been an issue, obviously, but it is not like he tried to hurt his knee last season. AK appears to still be able to significantly affect a game defensively and with his all around game, yet is choosing not to do so. If he could get cut, as in the NFL, he would be playing hard. But he has guaranteed money in the NBA, so he does not have to play hard the way he did prior to getting the big contract. AK is problem number 1, 2, and 3.
AK for McGrady would dump AKs salary in 10-11. Gotta consider it. That would cut something like 50 mil in salaries at the end of this next season.
pawaso | 1:34 p.m. July 5, 2009
Any salary cap moves by the Jazz office should come down to simply trying to
move those players who are overpaid (Boozer is not one of them) and you might
have to add a little incentives this year to get it done. Obviously AK is at the
very top of that list. Korver is good, but still finds himself in second place
on the list. Milsap at 5M-7M would be about right. All the rest of the team
are priced pretty fairly for their talents in this league I would say. Ronnie
Price at 1.5M this year would be a reasonable contract.
Jazz should've went after Artest... Is LA great at trading and aquiring FA talent or what! Jeez!!
Jazz should've went after Artest... Is LA great at trading and aquiring FA talent or what! Jeez!!
CJ3 | 2:57 p.m. July 5, 2009
"Luxury-tax mess?"
I beg to differ.
Had everyone opted in the Jazz would've been hatin' it in the bonanza summer of FA.
Now, the brass is back in charge, instead of the players.
I beg to differ.
Had everyone opted in the Jazz would've been hatin' it in the bonanza summer of FA.
Now, the brass is back in charge, instead of the players.
Jazzsmack | 5:34 p.m. July 5, 2009
Hoew did get in to this mess?
The answer is obvious:
by over valuing and over paying talent that would only be, at best, bench players on real championship team.
Yep. the jazz management has a penchant for giving out big long term contracts to mediocre talent.
Giving the big money to thr wrong players.
maybe they should look at REAL Championship teams and see where the big money goes to (and in this order):
7 foot true dominant big men (and who will play defense),
true star shooting guards,
true star small forwards,
true star point guards,
jazz have only 1 of 4, that is bad.
and the reason they have NEVER a won a championship.
When was last ime a "undersized" power forward lead a team to championship?
Answer: NEVER!
the only time PF under 6'9" and under did was when the league was shorter, and 7-footers were rare or nonesxistant and hence 6'8 or 6'9 was NOT undersized but typical
UNDERSIZED PFS do NOT win championships!
Malone NO
brand NO
barkley NO
larry johnson NO
boozer NO
and the list goes on an on
while the 6'10 and over list grows.
The answer is obvious:
by over valuing and over paying talent that would only be, at best, bench players on real championship team.
Yep. the jazz management has a penchant for giving out big long term contracts to mediocre talent.
Giving the big money to thr wrong players.
maybe they should look at REAL Championship teams and see where the big money goes to (and in this order):
7 foot true dominant big men (and who will play defense),
true star shooting guards,
true star small forwards,
true star point guards,
jazz have only 1 of 4, that is bad.
and the reason they have NEVER a won a championship.
When was last ime a "undersized" power forward lead a team to championship?
Answer: NEVER!
the only time PF under 6'9" and under did was when the league was shorter, and 7-footers were rare or nonesxistant and hence 6'8 or 6'9 was NOT undersized but typical
UNDERSIZED PFS do NOT win championships!
Malone NO
brand NO
barkley NO
larry johnson NO
boozer NO
and the list goes on an on
while the 6'10 and over list grows.
Chuck Nunn | 5:52 p.m. July 5, 2009
Not holding my breath for any trades this summer, but you never say never.
Millsap isn't getting $10M per year either, so paying the tax would not be
that much compared to what it could be. Look for the team to stand pat on its
major players as is at least until February.
Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
DT1232 | 7:08 p.m. July 5, 2009
Jazz can get under the luxury tax, sign Millsap, upgrade the SF position and
have over $35 million in expiring contracts for this year to either trade or
save for next summer by making the following move:
Boozer and AK for Brad Miller, John Salmons, and Joakim Noah.
Not to mention the 10 million difference in paying Salmons and Kirilenko in 2011...
Both teams benefit from this deal like no other Jazz possibility out there...
Boozer and AK for Brad Miller, John Salmons, and Joakim Noah.
Not to mention the 10 million difference in paying Salmons and Kirilenko in 2011...
Both teams benefit from this deal like no other Jazz possibility out there...
CJ3 to Jazzsmack | 7:14 p.m. July 5, 2009
Easy killer. That's not entirely accurate.
Since 2000 there's actually a pretty sizeble list of just such PFs.
00 LA 6-9 AC Green
01 LA 6-10 Horace Grant
02 LA 6-9 Samaki Walker
04 Det 6-10 Rasheed Wallace
06 Mia 6-8 Udonis Haslem
It could even be argued, and I'm one of those that think Duncan is a C, that the 2005 and 2007 Spurs, playing PF by commitee, mostly the 6-7 Bruce Bowen are in that categor as well.
Since 2000 there's actually a pretty sizeble list of just such PFs.
00 LA 6-9 AC Green
01 LA 6-10 Horace Grant
02 LA 6-9 Samaki Walker
04 Det 6-10 Rasheed Wallace
06 Mia 6-8 Udonis Haslem
It could even be argued, and I'm one of those that think Duncan is a C, that the 2005 and 2007 Spurs, playing PF by commitee, mostly the 6-7 Bruce Bowen are in that categor as well.
RE: CJ3 | 10:49 p.m. July 5, 2009
Was LA built around ACGreen or samaki walker? NO
Was miami built around hasleem? NO! it was shaq and wade.
An I said under 6'9 so why are counting player OVER 6'9?
and rasheed is more like 6'll or 7' and played with a defensive player of year in ben wallace.
NONE of those teams you mentioned built themselves around a high scoring PF and NOT one 6'9 and UNDER.
Was miami built around hasleem? NO! it was shaq and wade.
An I said under 6'9 so why are counting player OVER 6'9?
and rasheed is more like 6'll or 7' and played with a defensive player of year in ben wallace.
NONE of those teams you mentioned built themselves around a high scoring PF and NOT one 6'9 and UNDER.
trueblue | 11:05 a.m. July 6, 2009
The main problem is as it has always been... Getting the "Super Stars"
to come here! In the BIG Markets even the role players make a killing off of
endorsements. So for Utah to be one of the most successful franchises at least
in the top 5... with the talent that we have is amazing. The system works. The
team that we have now can win a championship... Last year that was what everyone
thought! But it takes more than healthy players... Momentum is important and we
didn't have any last year. IF we are healthy this year it would not be a
far stretch to see us in the finals! Injuries to D-Will, Kover, Okur and
Boozer... Now tell me any other team with there top guys going out that would
even have been in the first round? None!!! And that says a lot for these guys...
Give them a break this is a great group!!!
Waking Up To Nothing! | 11:16 a.m. July 6, 2009
Every morning I can't wait to log on to the internet to see if my Jazz have
pulled the trigger yet, so far nothing. I pray at night this will change. Please
find a home for Boozer, A.K. and Miles SOON! They are lackadasical pieces of
crap that just impede our progress. Milsap would be O.K. for about 6 mil but not
one penney more. Get involved with another team or to in a multi-team trade and
get Nocioni, Bass, and Landry types in here please! Wallace from Charlotte would
be a nice fit also.
todd to true blue | 2:04 a.m. July 7, 2009
Another Jazz Relative and "sloanaholic" No momentum last year? what
not a 12 game winning streak? Of course 8-17 finish
They play great team and individual defense also. Meanwhile Dallas may get Marion next. That signing would likely out Dallas ahead of us also...
They play great team and individual defense also. Meanwhile Dallas may get Marion next. That signing would likely out Dallas ahead of us also...
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The Jazz can wait and see how the season is going. If someone offers them a deal they can't refuse then great. If not then they can see how many wins they have at the trade deadline and move someone or poney up for a run in the play offs.
It is nice to have options. The Jazz are in a position to remake a team of better quality for less money and set it up for the next 5 years or so.
This is a great opportunity and the Jazz are in the drivers seat. They are not desperate. The luxury tax is the least of their worries. The biggest concern is getting the right players at the right price.
It will be interesting to see how good Jazz management is. The moves by DET, CLE and LA are not impressive and may be high risk/low reward. SA helped themselves.