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Anti-Americans | 1:46 p.m. July 5, 2009
Organize a protest against democracy on July 4th.
RE: Amon. 134 | 1:49 p.m. July 5, 2009
Last time I checked, the church didn't automatically pull tithing and other
donations from my check. It's up to each individual to pay money into these
extra funds. Big difference between that and when the gov't takes it before
I get to even see it.
Let's keep the discussion on topic. Thanks.
Let's keep the discussion on topic. Thanks.
JT | 2:03 p.m. July 5, 2009
It is interesting to me that so many "bloggers" automatically assume
that, these people (tea party members), are all ignorant repuplicans.
It is also surprising that everyone wants to be like "X" european country. First off most of these countries are much smaller then the US. They have come from a much different govermental background then the US and have been socialized for some time.
America was not formed as a socialist country. If you want to live in one and think people are "happier" there because some survey says so then please move. I bet you would find that more people immigrate from socialized countrys to the US then vice versa. Funny how that is.
People dont realize that our goverment as a whole has become too currupt. A bill for cleaner emmissions becomes a 1500 page monster with alot of extra things tacked on. The bill will benefit 2 parties, politicans and large energy companies. Thats what these protest are about.
Please look to the past to see why America was formed. And then look to the future to see where we are heading and what that will mean for your children.
It is also surprising that everyone wants to be like "X" european country. First off most of these countries are much smaller then the US. They have come from a much different govermental background then the US and have been socialized for some time.
America was not formed as a socialist country. If you want to live in one and think people are "happier" there because some survey says so then please move. I bet you would find that more people immigrate from socialized countrys to the US then vice versa. Funny how that is.
People dont realize that our goverment as a whole has become too currupt. A bill for cleaner emmissions becomes a 1500 page monster with alot of extra things tacked on. The bill will benefit 2 parties, politicans and large energy companies. Thats what these protest are about.
Please look to the past to see why America was formed. And then look to the future to see where we are heading and what that will mean for your children.
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Free American | 2:10 p.m. July 5, 2009
Those of you praising socialism. Have you forgotten where you live? We live in
America, a democratic government, which gives you free speech, and the freedom
to make choices - even bad ones. Here we have just celebrated our Independence
Day and you want socialism? Have any of you ever experienced socialized
medicine? Well I have. You have to get on a waiting list and will sometimes
wait years for simple procedures and life saving procedures equally. Dr.'s
under the govt. are not as careful because they don't have the incentives
to perform well. They get paid the same no matter how good of a job they do. I
finally learned to go to a private physician and dentist (thank heavens I had
the choice) because my experiences with socialized medicine were all negative.
Think and research before jumping to conclusions.
mark | 2:28 p.m. July 5, 2009
Re:John Kateel | 11:57 a.m. July 5, 2009 you bleat, " How dare you compare
BY’s polices to something so insidious as this."
Yes you are right, there is no comparison, Brigham Young was a true communist.
Yes you are right, there is no comparison, Brigham Young was a true communist.
Re: To CJ3 | 2:41 p.m. July 5, 2009
Maybe if I could AFFORD to have my children saved I wouldn't care so
much.
Do we realy want to put a price on life?
Do we realy want to put a price on life?
CJ3 | 2:43 p.m. July 5, 2009
really*
And while I'm at it...
capitalism*
lol
And while I'm at it...
capitalism*
lol
mark | 3:20 p.m. July 5, 2009
And what country would that be, Free American, where you "experienced"
socialized medicine, where you were put on a list for years to receive basic
health care? What country are you referring to?
The truth | 3:29 p.m. July 5, 2009
RE: Anonymous:
"Utahans get $1.28 for each dollar you pay in federal taxes. Us Californians don't get back a dollar for a dollar."
Federal Government has STOLEN the majority of Utah's land,
do you think Utah should get something for it?
"Utahans get $1.28 for each dollar you pay in federal taxes. Us Californians don't get back a dollar for a dollar."
Federal Government has STOLEN the majority of Utah's land,
do you think Utah should get something for it?
WorldRankings | 3:47 p.m. July 5, 2009
Lets take a look at international ratings.
United States is the number 1 spender, the most money on healthcare in the world because it is privatized.
The United States is rated 72nd level of health and 37th in performance (Efficiency). Not getting results and heading in wrong direction this system.
Lets learn and apply systems that are working in countrys that are better and have universal healthcare.
To much greed from bankers invested in the pharmacuetical and insurance industry who do not want to see this changed to a government system. To many payoffs to elected officials.
Check more international facts. These stats are provided by the World Health Organization. Do an internet search for: country ranking health who.
Another Reality Fact. Germans like quality and Japanese like to take whatever works and makes it better. This was not always the case but they changed to survive and so can the United States change to survive.
The United States needs to reverse the downhill health trend for it to survive economically.
A Healthy Nation boosts the economy.
A non profit government system is a good start.
United States is the number 1 spender, the most money on healthcare in the world because it is privatized.
The United States is rated 72nd level of health and 37th in performance (Efficiency). Not getting results and heading in wrong direction this system.
Lets learn and apply systems that are working in countrys that are better and have universal healthcare.
To much greed from bankers invested in the pharmacuetical and insurance industry who do not want to see this changed to a government system. To many payoffs to elected officials.
Check more international facts. These stats are provided by the World Health Organization. Do an internet search for: country ranking health who.
Another Reality Fact. Germans like quality and Japanese like to take whatever works and makes it better. This was not always the case but they changed to survive and so can the United States change to survive.
The United States needs to reverse the downhill health trend for it to survive economically.
A Healthy Nation boosts the economy.
A non profit government system is a good start.
RE: GWB | 3:47 p.m. July 5, 2009
I believe it a DEMOCRAT CONGRESS that WROTE and PASSED that bailout bill,
they are as much or more culpable (to blame) in it than President Bush.
they are as much or more culpable (to blame) in it than President Bush.
sob | 3:50 p.m. July 5, 2009
you all squawk about socialism
tell me what is the united order?
tell me what is the united order?
Interested | 4:02 p.m. July 5, 2009
Is there an email list I can join to know of future events? Big government is
not the answer, but fighting it is the challenge. Those of us who would like
real, BENEFICIAL change need to work together. The best thing that could happen
would be for each member of Congress, the President and the Supreme Court to
stop playing politics at all and think about how all of them could set aside
their own interests, lobbyists, and financial backers, and think about would
really would help the country the most. Someone please post an email address so
I can know of upcoming events!
@sob | 3:50 p.m. July 5, 2009 | 5:00 p.m. July 5, 2009
Very uninformed (as in dumb) question. The United Order was based on VOLUNTARY
participation and had personal conduct (worthiness) requirements. Try folding
those concepts into our government's plans.
Wahh! Wahh! | 5:49 p.m. July 5, 2009
Health Care: I don't think healthcare would be nearly as expensive if we
would all do a better job af taking care of ourselves. Put out the cigarettes,
don't drink so much alcohol, eat some healthy food more than once a month,
and get out and exercise more. If you're lucky, you'll never have a
major health catastrophe that will cause you to lose your job and insurance in
one mighty swoop. My experience is that conservatives hop in the welfare line
the same as anyone else when chips are down.
Obama: the man isn't the devil that most hysterical haters think he is, and he isn't the angel that most of his faithful think he is. He's a smart guy trying to do a VERY difficult job. I applaud that, and he isn't doing too badly, all considered. From what I've heard, he only wants to provide insurance coverage for those who have no ability to afford their own. Evil, evil idea, isn't it? All of you self-proclaimed Christians can go flog yourselves. Sheesh.
Obama: the man isn't the devil that most hysterical haters think he is, and he isn't the angel that most of his faithful think he is. He's a smart guy trying to do a VERY difficult job. I applaud that, and he isn't doing too badly, all considered. From what I've heard, he only wants to provide insurance coverage for those who have no ability to afford their own. Evil, evil idea, isn't it? All of you self-proclaimed Christians can go flog yourselves. Sheesh.
WAA WAA! | 6:25 p.m. July 5, 2009
There are a lot of cry babies on this board. The cost of health care is a
symptom, not the problem. Why does health care cost continue to go UP?!! It is
a simple economic truth of supple and demand. What is the demand for
"free", "I shouldn't have to pay for it", health care?
The demand is HIGH because the "consumer" doesn't have to pay for
it!! How simple is that.
What health care cost have come down in the past 30 years? You say "nothing has." And you are correct if you say what health care cost COVERED BY HEALTH INSURANCE. There are many procedures who's costs have come down, those not covered by health insurance, i.e. laser eye surgery, boob jobs, etc.... INSURANCE is the problem! Let the consumer back in the loop. The government started the problem in WWII with wage controls. I have more to say, but no one will read it much less care.
What health care cost have come down in the past 30 years? You say "nothing has." And you are correct if you say what health care cost COVERED BY HEALTH INSURANCE. There are many procedures who's costs have come down, those not covered by health insurance, i.e. laser eye surgery, boob jobs, etc.... INSURANCE is the problem! Let the consumer back in the loop. The government started the problem in WWII with wage controls. I have more to say, but no one will read it much less care.
mark | 6:27 p.m. July 5, 2009
@sob | 3:50 p.m. July 5, 2009 | 5:00 p.m. July 5, 2009
Oh, that is a funny way to spin. Ohmygosh, that is funny. You just keep on dancing. VOLUNTARY. Oh that is funny.
Oh, that is a funny way to spin. Ohmygosh, that is funny. You just keep on dancing. VOLUNTARY. Oh that is funny.
JT | 6:31 p.m. July 5, 2009
"United States is the number 1 spender, the most money on healthcare in the
world because it is privatized."
Dear Worldrankings,
Although you boast that what you posted is fact, the mentality that the US health care system is 100% privatized is an utter joke. You should google words like mixed economy, medicare and medicaid. Also do some research on how and why private hospitals charge so much, you may find that government involvement drives up costs.
Also information that gets put into the W.H.O. is biased based on the country and health policies that specific country abides by. An example of this would be how we calculate infant mortality rates.
It seems like everyone loves posting stats as if they are solid 100% truth. Has anyone heard that 90% of statistical analyses are false? The recent study of people who support the health care plan is a good example. It showed an overwhelming support for Obama’s plan and his public option. However they interviewed less then 100 people most of who voted for Obama. Now the population of the US is over 300 million to get a good result you would need 100,000 polled citizens.
Dear Worldrankings,
Although you boast that what you posted is fact, the mentality that the US health care system is 100% privatized is an utter joke. You should google words like mixed economy, medicare and medicaid. Also do some research on how and why private hospitals charge so much, you may find that government involvement drives up costs.
Also information that gets put into the W.H.O. is biased based on the country and health policies that specific country abides by. An example of this would be how we calculate infant mortality rates.
It seems like everyone loves posting stats as if they are solid 100% truth. Has anyone heard that 90% of statistical analyses are false? The recent study of people who support the health care plan is a good example. It showed an overwhelming support for Obama’s plan and his public option. However they interviewed less then 100 people most of who voted for Obama. Now the population of the US is over 300 million to get a good result you would need 100,000 polled citizens.
Democratic Socialist Chris | 7:30 p.m. July 5, 2009
I've got some questions for those who've been calling President Obama
a socialist. Don't you realize there are multiple and wide-ranging forms
of socialism? And don't you realize that what we've been living under
for the past 30 years has been corporate socialism? I don't know about
you, but I believe that people matter more than profit and it's about time
that our government's policies, after all those 30 years, reflect that
reality. A demand for this is justifiably growing across the nation and
it's because the people have at last snapped out of their acceptance of
what Reaganomics did, not for us, but to us, particularly to the middle class.
Have you ever noticed that republicans never talk about the middle class or even
utter the phrase? Ask yourself why that is. The answer is they don't want
one. Why? Because that's how the corporate sponsors of the republican
party and many democrats want it.
FREE COUNTRY | 7:50 p.m. July 5, 2009
Isn't it wonderful to live in a free country so we can complain about
everything constantly. I just love it. In fact I wouldn't trade it for
any country. So keep up the jabber...
Liberals don't mind taxes | 9:46 p.m. July 5, 2009
Liberals like taxes as long as they come from Obama. Sounds stupid I know but
it's true. Listen to any national news show discussing the economy and
liberals are all lining up behind the Obama cap and trade which will lead to
HUGE increases in energy bills for every American household. Add more tax
increases to support socialized health care to the Obama tally. I have this
feeling that when the "REAL" numbers start coming in for all the Obama
tax increases reality will finally set in - even with liberals. Liberals have to
pay utility bills too and liberals have to pay for health benefits (which will
soon be taxed by Obama). The framers of the constitution beleived in a SMALL -
LIMITED GOVERNMENT. Obama is forcing the exact opposite with the largest
expansion of governement in US history. Obama is the "ANTI-JOHN
ADAMS"!!!
Jason | 10:44 p.m. July 5, 2009
Thomas Paine said "That government is best which governs least." Does
that sound like Obama's philosophy? No. He's trying to grab power with
Cap and Trade and Socialized Health care. He's growing the federal
government to an unprecedented size. Liberals like him don't care about the
will of the people. They think they know better, because of their
"enlightened philosophy." Let the people vote on these issues and we
will see that liberals can only advance their agenda by legal tricks and
political games. It sickens me.
mark | 12:21 a.m. July 6, 2009
Jason, the will of the people put Obama into power knowing full well his
policies. In this country we do not, as a people, vote on every issue, in fact
that would be a very dangerous thing to do. We are a republic, Jason. Do you
know what that is?
And this has nothing to do with legal tricks and political games. What are you? Simple? The Democrats gained majorities through the electoral process, thereby allowing them to advance their agenda.
And this has nothing to do with legal tricks and political games. What are you? Simple? The Democrats gained majorities through the electoral process, thereby allowing them to advance their agenda.
@JT | 1:23 a.m. July 6, 2009
"It seems like everyone loves posting stats as if they are solid 100%
truth. Has anyone heard that 90% of statistical analyses are false? The recent
study of people who support the health care plan is a good example. It showed an
overwhelming support for Obama’s plan and his public option. However they
interviewed less then 100 people most of who voted for Obama. Now the population
of the US is over 300 million to get a good result you would need 100,000 polled
citizens."
Ahaha, who's making crap up now? As someone who has studied polling, I can tell you that with a universal population size of 300,000,000 you can get can get an accurate (+ or - 3%) result by polling only 1,200 people. But don't take my word for it, you can find this information in any polisci 101 textbook. And by the way, dozens of polls have been taken about health care. To make a long story short, people want change.
Ahaha, who's making crap up now? As someone who has studied polling, I can tell you that with a universal population size of 300,000,000 you can get can get an accurate (+ or - 3%) result by polling only 1,200 people. But don't take my word for it, you can find this information in any polisci 101 textbook. And by the way, dozens of polls have been taken about health care. To make a long story short, people want change.
Tea Party?... puhleaze! | 3:11 a.m. July 6, 2009
Gee, where were these Anti Big Government protesters when GWB created the Dept.
of Homeland Security?
....and they wonder why this hullabaloo is falling on deaf ears.
....and they wonder why this hullabaloo is falling on deaf ears.
Anonymous | 6:11 a.m. July 6, 2009
Cats | 7:53 p.m. July 4, 2009
I hope the American people are beginning to wake up and realize what a terrible mistake we, as a nation, have made. I fear the Constitution truly is hanging by a thread.
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Judging by the number of protesters its seems tea beggars are the ones that are out of touch with America. For the rest of us the "Constitution" is doing just fine.
I hope the American people are beginning to wake up and realize what a terrible mistake we, as a nation, have made. I fear the Constitution truly is hanging by a thread.
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Judging by the number of protesters its seems tea beggars are the ones that are out of touch with America. For the rest of us the "Constitution" is doing just fine.
Just say No... | 6:20 a.m. July 6, 2009
Liberals don't mind taxes | 9:46 p.m. July 5, 2009
Liberals like him don't care about the will of the people. They think they know better, because of their "enlightened philosophy."
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FYI look at the last election results for the will of the people. The will of the people have put Democrats in charge of the House, Senate, and the Presidency. I think the people have spoken. In 2010 and 2012 we'll have another chance to speak.
If the GOP has brilliant ideas please bring them up then.
BTW cutting taxes and deregulation of big business while borrowing form China to pay our bills is not a brilliant solution. Unless you're okay with selling some Red States to pay our debt to China.
Liberals like him don't care about the will of the people. They think they know better, because of their "enlightened philosophy."
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FYI look at the last election results for the will of the people. The will of the people have put Democrats in charge of the House, Senate, and the Presidency. I think the people have spoken. In 2010 and 2012 we'll have another chance to speak.
If the GOP has brilliant ideas please bring them up then.
BTW cutting taxes and deregulation of big business while borrowing form China to pay our bills is not a brilliant solution. Unless you're okay with selling some Red States to pay our debt to China.
Anonymous | 7:40 a.m. July 6, 2009
If you want to look at what government health care is going to look like, visit
several VA Hospitals and the Navajo and Lakota Indian Reservations.
L | 8:41 a.m. July 6, 2009
Just Maybe -
When I was born there was no health insurance! Maybe instead of providing health insurance for everyone we should forbid anyone from having health insurance. Maybe car insurance, house insurance and life insurance could also be eliminated.
I don't know if that would change the $400 per hour that some Dr appointments figure out to be, or the $400 for a little bottle of pills, or have you tried to get a little scratch fixed on your new car lately.
It seems to me that all of them are a little like & tgambling, they are spreading the "risk" around and betting against us that they will charge enough so they will win. From the looks of the AIG insurance building& their marble halls that they charged a lot, but then spent it and got a bailout too.
I would suggest saving your money so you can pay your $$$ Dr bills when needed, but does anyone know a good safe mattress where I can keep it. Inflation seems to be as big a hazzard for my budget as health care or taxes. It looks like it will ruin me despite savings and hard work!
When I was born there was no health insurance! Maybe instead of providing health insurance for everyone we should forbid anyone from having health insurance. Maybe car insurance, house insurance and life insurance could also be eliminated.
I don't know if that would change the $400 per hour that some Dr appointments figure out to be, or the $400 for a little bottle of pills, or have you tried to get a little scratch fixed on your new car lately.
It seems to me that all of them are a little like & tgambling, they are spreading the "risk" around and betting against us that they will charge enough so they will win. From the looks of the AIG insurance building& their marble halls that they charged a lot, but then spent it and got a bailout too.
I would suggest saving your money so you can pay your $$$ Dr bills when needed, but does anyone know a good safe mattress where I can keep it. Inflation seems to be as big a hazzard for my budget as health care or taxes. It looks like it will ruin me despite savings and hard work!
Re CJ3 | 9:29 a.m. July 6, 2009
"The richest country in the world can't take care of it's own
population? That should say something to you."
The richest country shouldn't be taking care of it's population. We should be taking care of ourselves!!! You people just don't get it!!!! The government should not be doing anything for us except protecting our freedoms. Hello!!!!!
The richest country shouldn't be taking care of it's population. We should be taking care of ourselves!!! You people just don't get it!!!! The government should not be doing anything for us except protecting our freedoms. Hello!!!!!
To above post | 10:21 a.m. July 6, 2009
You must be a terrible neighbor and quite the loner with that selfish
attitude.
Get in the game and give a hoot about those around you. It will make many of the problems disappear, and you will be a better, happier person.
Get in the game and give a hoot about those around you. It will make many of the problems disappear, and you will be a better, happier person.
David | 11:25 a.m. July 6, 2009
It is disturbing to read so many posts that reveal how poorly government is
understood.
Our government obtains its power from the consent of the governed (that's us). We may only delegate to the government those rights which we possess ourselves. Example: I have the right to protect myself; therefore I can delegate that right. Conversely, I do NOT have the right to take money from one neighbor and give it to another (this is stealing) no matter how bad off they are.
When you apply this true principle to other aspects of government, you will find there is a very limited role that the government should have in our lives.
The huge problem we are battling today is that government has overstepped its bounds and is doing many things it should not be doing. Examples include welfare, medicaid, prescription drugs, etc. Our government is becoming increasingly oppressive as we allow it to go where it does not belong. People who allow emotion to take precedence over principles are a big part of the problem.
Those who are caught up in the Democrat vs Republican bickering are getting duped. All of congress (both sides) is culpable! Stop it!
Our government obtains its power from the consent of the governed (that's us). We may only delegate to the government those rights which we possess ourselves. Example: I have the right to protect myself; therefore I can delegate that right. Conversely, I do NOT have the right to take money from one neighbor and give it to another (this is stealing) no matter how bad off they are.
When you apply this true principle to other aspects of government, you will find there is a very limited role that the government should have in our lives.
The huge problem we are battling today is that government has overstepped its bounds and is doing many things it should not be doing. Examples include welfare, medicaid, prescription drugs, etc. Our government is becoming increasingly oppressive as we allow it to go where it does not belong. People who allow emotion to take precedence over principles are a big part of the problem.
Those who are caught up in the Democrat vs Republican bickering are getting duped. All of congress (both sides) is culpable! Stop it!
@David | 12:07 p.m. July 6, 2009
It's disturbing that you have such a poor understanding of our very own
government.
You get the the idea that government obtains power from the governed, but after that your logic derails. Progressive taxes, and state sponsored services such as medicaid and welfare are as democratic as it gets. Our country either voted for these programs and services, or voted for representatives that we knew full well would implement them. We pay for thousands of essential services the government provides that we never use or even see, but that's part of living in a community, and it beats the heck out of the life in the 19th and early 20th century.
You say the government does not belong in these areas, well that's for the government to decide (the government being us, the people). If you don't like it, vote for someone else, but the people have spoken, and they've chosen Barack Obama, and they've decided that health care is an area that the government should go. That's not oppression, that's democracy.
You get the the idea that government obtains power from the governed, but after that your logic derails. Progressive taxes, and state sponsored services such as medicaid and welfare are as democratic as it gets. Our country either voted for these programs and services, or voted for representatives that we knew full well would implement them. We pay for thousands of essential services the government provides that we never use or even see, but that's part of living in a community, and it beats the heck out of the life in the 19th and early 20th century.
You say the government does not belong in these areas, well that's for the government to decide (the government being us, the people). If you don't like it, vote for someone else, but the people have spoken, and they've chosen Barack Obama, and they've decided that health care is an area that the government should go. That's not oppression, that's democracy.
sob | 1:34 p.m. July 6, 2009
re united order.......so its ok to pledge everything you own or will own to the
common good if the lord asks us too, but to be asked to do so for the common
good of humanity out side of one religious concept is evil beyond belief.
should we not be striving for perfection in all our endeavors did the lord not
say that what you do unto to the least you do unto me
AliceInWonderland | 2:08 p.m. July 6, 2009
Want the Truth?
Your senators makes choices according to the will of those who pays them (handouts), NOT according to who votes for them.
Follow the yellow brick road... Follow, follow, follow the yellow brick Road (payouts to elected officials).
The opensecrets website is very informative about this.
Your senators makes choices according to the will of those who pays them (handouts), NOT according to who votes for them.
Follow the yellow brick road... Follow, follow, follow the yellow brick Road (payouts to elected officials).
The opensecrets website is very informative about this.
Go Live in India | 4:28 p.m. July 6, 2009
Re CJ3 | 9:29 a.m. July 6, 2009
The richest country shouldn't be taking care of it's population. We should be taking care of ourselves!!! You people just don't get it!!!! The government should not be doing anything for us except protecting our freedoms. Hello!!!!!
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In the biggest democracy in the world India the government does nothing for the people. That is no OPPORTUNITY for the have nots to better their lives while the rich have all the resources at their disposal.
Because in India the GOP model is live and kicking: No taxes and no regulation of big business.
I moved from India and don't want to go back so now which one of you want to move their so that you can enjoy the low to no taxes?
The richest country shouldn't be taking care of it's population. We should be taking care of ourselves!!! You people just don't get it!!!! The government should not be doing anything for us except protecting our freedoms. Hello!!!!!
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In the biggest democracy in the world India the government does nothing for the people. That is no OPPORTUNITY for the have nots to better their lives while the rich have all the resources at their disposal.
Because in India the GOP model is live and kicking: No taxes and no regulation of big business.
I moved from India and don't want to go back so now which one of you want to move their so that you can enjoy the low to no taxes?
RE Eugene | 6:54 | 4:43 p.m. July 6, 2009
How ironic a guy that quotes Glen Beck and Hannity from Fox News describing
Obama as "the anointed one" is telling the rest of us the we are
"brainwashed by Obama-mania".
Anonymous | 6:01 p.m. July 6, 2009
Who cares about a bunch of "tea-party" idiots think? Send them all
back to Alice In Wonderland and let those of us who live in the real world get
back to work fixing this country!
CJ3 | 7:48 p.m. July 6, 2009
Re: India
Big business IS the problem. They can't regulate themselves honestly, as proven by the stock and real estate market crashes, and outrageous healthcare costs from insurance agencies.
These people need people like you to keep them honest...not selfishly look out for only yourself. That's how we got where we are.
Cont...
Big business IS the problem. They can't regulate themselves honestly, as proven by the stock and real estate market crashes, and outrageous healthcare costs from insurance agencies.
These people need people like you to keep them honest...not selfishly look out for only yourself. That's how we got where we are.
Cont...
@YellowBrickRoad | 8:01 p.m. July 6, 2009
While it's true to some degree that our senators and congressmen are in the
pocket of special interests (and that's a big enough degree that we should
be outraged and do something about it) it's not totally and completely like
that. And concerning health care change, that's the biggest obstacle of the
change, interest groups hell bent on obstructing Obama's plans. There is
too much money passing through and our broken health care system, and a lot of
people are getting rich and don't want the system to be changed because of
that. Many of our representatives are standing up to these interest groups, and
throwing their weight behind changing the system to help millions of Americans
get the care they need. But there are others who are bought and paid for, and
many of those hide behind the excuse that they don't want our country to be
"socialist". It's politics at its best and worst.
careful what you ask for | 9:12 p.m. July 6, 2009
Socialize medicine sounds wonderful... on paper. But those soldiers you
denigrate deal with the reality. A close family member is a soldier and had a
problem with his sinuses six weeks ago. After four visits to the VA's ER,
the closest appointment is two to four months out for basic medical care forcing
him to visit the ER for minor problems, he finally saw an ENT. By then his
problem had advanced to the point where surgery is necessary. If he'd been
seen sooner, they could have cured it with meds.
A friend in Canada has an obstructed bowl. He's saving money so he can come to the US for treatment. His country pays for a limited number of surgeries a year. He won't get on a list until the problem becomes life-threatening.
Is that what we want here? I don't have insurance, and can't afford to go to the doctor for simple things. Still... I'm not inclined to sell my country to the 'lowest' bidder. There has to be a feasible solution. We're just trading one way of not getting help for another.
A friend in Canada has an obstructed bowl. He's saving money so he can come to the US for treatment. His country pays for a limited number of surgeries a year. He won't get on a list until the problem becomes life-threatening.
Is that what we want here? I don't have insurance, and can't afford to go to the doctor for simple things. Still... I'm not inclined to sell my country to the 'lowest' bidder. There has to be a feasible solution. We're just trading one way of not getting help for another.
CJ3 | 11:58 p.m. July 6, 2009
Careful,
Never have I, nor would I denigrate a soldier. I have the the utmost respect for their sacrifices, and come from a military family who have served.
In fact, your story shows just how wrong our healthcare system is, when a fellow who should never have to worry can't afford to do more than wait in line...literally for months.
There has been a price put on health, and that is fundamentally wrong.
Never have I, nor would I denigrate a soldier. I have the the utmost respect for their sacrifices, and come from a military family who have served.
In fact, your story shows just how wrong our healthcare system is, when a fellow who should never have to worry can't afford to do more than wait in line...literally for months.
There has been a price put on health, and that is fundamentally wrong.
@ careful what you ask for | 12:50 a.m. July 7, 2009
If your close family member is a soldier, he shouldn't go to the VA,
that's for veterans, not soldiers. Maybe that's his problem, he goes
to the wrong hospital.
RightsRewards | 12:30 p.m. July 7, 2009
Ok, here is the question.
How do those who go to prison have a right to free healthcare?
This free healthcare right should be available to those who obey the law before giving it to those who disobey the law.
How do those who go to prison have a right to free healthcare?
This free healthcare right should be available to those who obey the law before giving it to those who disobey the law.
Answer | 2:00 p.m. July 7, 2009
I guess it's considered immoral, and cruel to just let prisoners suffer.
But letting 50 million Americans live without proper health care is A-OK,
because a man on TV told me that it would be socialist to try to help them. Or
something. It made sense when he said it.
to DOLTS | 4:26 p.m. July 7, 2009
You don't know enough about military medical benefits to comment. First of
all, the only way a soldier gets "free" medical insurance for life is
if he gives up 20 years of his serving his country whenever and where ever he
asked. He is a soldier 24/7 he accrues "vacation" so to speak, but
will only get leave if it is allowed. No guarantees. The only other way a
soldier gets medical for life is if he/she is disabled while serving.
Those that serve and have been to war but did not complete 20 years, do not get lifetime benefits. Furthermore, I beg to differ with you description of this care as "great" clearly you have never been in one of these "great" try to get care, facilities. I have. We nicknamed it the "medical hobby shop". This is not to criticize the fine Doctors who give up the big bucks to serve, but IMO the care was rationed. Oh and the higher the rank, the better the care.
Many medical facilities were outsourced to urgent care type facilities. Wait and wait and wait... If you want your FREE medical care, go enlist.
Those that serve and have been to war but did not complete 20 years, do not get lifetime benefits. Furthermore, I beg to differ with you description of this care as "great" clearly you have never been in one of these "great" try to get care, facilities. I have. We nicknamed it the "medical hobby shop". This is not to criticize the fine Doctors who give up the big bucks to serve, but IMO the care was rationed. Oh and the higher the rank, the better the care.
Many medical facilities were outsourced to urgent care type facilities. Wait and wait and wait... If you want your FREE medical care, go enlist.
re: Ronnie Bray | 12:58 a.m. July 8, 2009
You failed to mention all of those "socialist" countries you listed
have two things in common -
1) Small populations
2) Almost non-existent immigration
Socialism hasn't worked, never will work, and I and many of my fellow Americans will go to Civil War before we fall under socialist rule.
To quote Margaret Thatcher, "Socialism doesn't work because sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money."
1) Small populations
2) Almost non-existent immigration
Socialism hasn't worked, never will work, and I and many of my fellow Americans will go to Civil War before we fall under socialist rule.
To quote Margaret Thatcher, "Socialism doesn't work because sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money."
Liberals = Hypocrites | 1:03 a.m. July 8, 2009
Almost daily on the news, there is a protest of one kind or another by the folks
on the left.
Now the rest of us have a protest of our own and the liberals are on here complaining about it.
Well, how about it? Do others have a right to protest, or just you liberals?
Agree or not with the point of the protest, do Americans have the right to speak out or not? Or only when they agree with you?
The left is getting pretty scary, folks!
Now the rest of us have a protest of our own and the liberals are on here complaining about it.
Well, how about it? Do others have a right to protest, or just you liberals?
Agree or not with the point of the protest, do Americans have the right to speak out or not? Or only when they agree with you?
The left is getting pretty scary, folks!
MadoffHealthCare | 2:59 a.m. July 8, 2009
So Madoff who steals Billions of dollars from people as a reward gets free
healthcare for the rest of his life while in prison.
Hmmm.... What motivation to go to disobey the law and go to prison.
How sad it is to see 50 million people who obey the law get penalized without healthcare.
Hmmm.... What motivation to go to disobey the law and go to prison.
How sad it is to see 50 million people who obey the law get penalized without healthcare.
Thomas Jefferson | 5:28 a.m. July 8, 2009
"... a socialist policy is abhorrent to the... ideas of freedom. Socialism
is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the
state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to
work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the
right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a
political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt
very humanely directed in the first instance."
Winston Churchill, 1945
Winston Churchill, 1945
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