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Utah Jazz talked Kirilenko for McGrady trade

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Bryce Coons | 12:08 a.m. July 4, 2009
Even if Tracy is not fully healthy, the Jazz would be doing themselves a favor by making the trade. The Jazz would then have lots of space in 2010 with a great NYC pick on its way. It would show Deron Williams the Jazz are committred to winning and will do whatever necessary to do so. Bring on the Boozer and Andrei trades!!
goober | 12:08 a.m. July 4, 2009
This is quite possible the dumbest trade ever. The Jazz already have ample supply of guys that can score and DISTRIBUTE the ball. If AK left we'd have two players - DWill and Brewer - that play defense. Why not pick up Steve Nash while we're at it?
McGrady will never | 12:10 a.m. July 4, 2009
play again and if he does try he will not be the same. Micro fracture surgery does not work well on older players and McGrady has a lot of miles on him.

HOU may be stuck for this next year. Why bail out a rival? There is no 2011 salary saved by paying 23 mill in salary plus another 23 mill in luxury tax this year.

AK does contribute a lot to the team and is the insurance guy for when other positions get hurt. He is also about the only player who plays help defense. Okur and Boozer would be helpless without AK.

With AK on coming off of the bench (2nd string) the 1st Q 1st string defense was awful.

Anyway this is just rumor. Both AK and McGrady's contracts are nearly impossible to move. McGrady has been shopped to just about every team in the league.

The Jazz make us wonder sometimes but they are not that dumb.
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jbra80 | 12:37 a.m. July 4, 2009
It seems like I might be one of the only Kirilinko supporters still left here in Utah, having said that, I still wouldn't mind the trade. Send AK and Harpring's contract to Houston for McGrady. Salaries would match pretty close and worst case scenario is that McGrady doesn't play at all and he leaves at end of season. Then we'd have cap room for the big 2010 FA class. We're obviously not getting Lebron or Wade but we could get a very nice player to play along side Deron for the next 5 years , along with hopefully a lottery pick from NY. I love AK but not at that salary. This trade would also make it easier to trade Boozer because we wouldn't be scared to take on a longer contract, which would only open up our options for who we would be willing to get in return. I know this won't happen because the front office could never pull off such a move, but I can dream right?
Anonymous | 12:52 a.m. July 4, 2009
Tracyyyy Jazz must be smoking? Right? IT's gonna be good for AK only, he will finally free of Jerry Sloan Tirane. Connor pull the trigger , you did before dumb decisions. his one will be dumbest one. But I like AK so much I wish he play other than Salt lake.
Do it!! | 12:56 a.m. July 4, 2009
Salaries: AK + Harpring = McGrady. Buy out McGrady. Salary exchange would be similar in 09-10, but rids Jazz of AKs salary for 10-11. AK will make 16 mil this season, and he produces like a mid-level exception player. He does not play hard anymore. This would be a fantastic way to get rid of him.

This would potentially leave the Jazz with Brewer, Korver, Price, Miles, and Millsap to play the wing positions. Playing Millsap at the 3 gets him on the floor more. Not a ton of shooters, though.

With this trade, the Jazz would have something like 50 mil in salaries coming off the books next summer- Korver, Boozer, Okur, McGrady.
what? | 1:02 a.m. July 4, 2009
this is a stupid "what might of been but that would never work" hear-say story to make up for the lack of real news. lets all get off the computer and go paint the fence or something until next wednesday when the second wave of speculation trades begin
WY Jazz fan | 1:33 a.m. July 4, 2009
Salaries: AK + Harpring = McGrady. Buy out McGrady. Salary exchange would be similar in 09-10, but rids Jazz of AKs salary for 10-11. AK will make 16 mil this season, and he produces like a mid-level exception player. He does not play hard anymore. This would be a fantastic way to get rid of him.

I agree with this all the way it is a win-win situation all around. We buy out McGrady and have lots of cap space to sign the players we need. Millsap plays defence!! and can shoot as well. Look at his stats from last year. DEFENSE is way more important than offense. How coaches are finding that out and telling their players to be more defensive minded.
When will the fans get this into their heads and stop looking for the best fantasy players.
way to go | 1:39 a.m. July 4, 2009
there must be a hidden reason for this. T Mac is a poor and slow ball movement specialist, likes to take the last second shots while being guarded by 2-3 defenders. Not really the passer the Jazz require.

AK is a great ball player but he disappears when behind Boozer. Seems like the Jazz are trying to keep Boozer which will keep Deron. I applaud the Jazz for trying to move AK as he has potential to do better in a different system, perhaps the Knicks.

Shawn Marion is now available and if we can trade Brewer or Harpring for him that would bring a veteran shooter and defender to the Jazz, although he does not do well without the ball.
Anonymous | 1:41 a.m. July 4, 2009
I say we go for it. The contract would only be for a year and we could see what we pull out of it. If Tmac is healthy, he is just as good or better than Kobe. Worst case scenario he is a free agent in a year. We aren't going to get anywhere by staying with the status quo..... we need to change things up a bit.
Bradiohead | 3:06 a.m. July 4, 2009
This trade idea is an exciting idea. Im sick of not hearing any trade rumors about the Jazz, it seems like every team in the NBA is making trades but the Jazz, all these teams are improving their roster and the Jazz are at a stand still. The majority of Utah wants Kirlenko gone, free up some money to offer other players.

If mcrady avoids future injury problems, than we have an all star support for D-will, if he doesnt work out then things could be complicated, but I think its worth the gamble. Its pretty obvious that jazz are gonna have a tough time this season anways considering the way the other teams in the NBA are stacking up their teams. If he doesnt work out make him part of a trade package elsewhere since his contract expires this next season anyways.
Texas | 5:56 a.m. July 4, 2009
...fabricated story. Houston has no need or desire for anorexic AK.
Go JAZZ | 6:07 a.m. July 4, 2009
What about possible trades with the Pistons? Booze for Prince or Hamilton will do us good. Even Rip gets more blocks than Booze.
Millsap can't play | 6:48 a.m. July 4, 2009
the 3 he is to slow. Why would McGrady agree to a buy out? How much are you really paying for McGrady with the luxury tax? Why give away your flexability by trading Harp for McGrady.

Why do it now before you know if Millsap is worth keeping and before you know how much that will cost. It is possible Millsap will get no offer this year other than the Jazz (not probable).

Ariza makes AK redundant at HOU so this would strictly be a money trade. It only helps HOU or they would not be offering.
Even if the trade freed up | 6:57 a.m. July 4, 2009
cap space there is the possibility that the Jazz would do something dumb with the money like resign Okur, and Boozer for a lot more money.

The market will still be bad in summer of 2010. 33 million in cap space is enough to replace Boozer, Okur and Korver with players who play both offense and defense. The Jazz have months to move one or more of them. They need to take their time and wait for the fire sales this year instead of being in bidding wars during the 2010 FA period.

AK's contract will be a lot easier to move for value next year.
Just Do Something! | 7:39 a.m. July 4, 2009
Out of here with A.K., Boozer and Miles. If the bid for Milsap is to high which would be anything more than 8 mil him too. Lets get smart, tough and surround the nucleus with some grit for a change. These soft primma-donnas are all over this league let them congregate together some where else other than in Utah.
THE DKTR | 7:54 a.m. July 4, 2009
Only trade we need is Sleepy Sloan for anybody can't anyone SEE what is and always has been WRONG with the Jazz? what other coach had TWO Great hall of famers and never won the BIG Prize?
Why Worry? | 8:36 a.m. July 4, 2009
Not sure why so many Jazz fans worry about who's getting paid what and who's coming off the books. Don't think that's anyone's worry but the Jazz front office.
C1 | 8:47 a.m. July 4, 2009
There is a reason that Tmac is the "subject of frequent trade rumors". When he's healthy he can put up some serious numbers and have some nice highlights but he doesn't win when it matters - in the playoffs. I read somewhere he's never been out of the first round of the playoffs? He's not a good chemistry guy. That will never change. I wouldn't want him on my team.

I'm not an AK supporter either. He's mentally soft and emotionally fragile, not near tough enough for our standards. Again, that will never change.

Anyway, the only reason this trade would be any good would be so that the Jazz could free up cap space for the year after next. As far as T Mac actually helping the team to WIN, it's not going to happen. The Jazz are not going to be any good next year anyway, so maybe it's a good idea to start focusing on the year after.
bum deel | 8:50 a.m. July 4, 2009
Talkin aint doin but even talkin on this one is stupid magrady is inured to much and never has led his team to a title
Cowboy Joe | 9:02 a.m. July 4, 2009
This could be a win win. If they can get rid of Harpring and Kirilenko the salaries would be a swap. They might even get a first round pick and cash. If Tmac can make it back after the all star break who knows what kind of run the Jazz can make. If only the could trade Okur or Boozer for Chandler or Camby also. Make the trade be bold try something new it just might work.
Shaybo | 9:06 a.m. July 4, 2009
Win,win If he stays healthy you have at least you have a chance to compete with the other top teams, if he goes down maybe you have two lottery picks in a good draft year and a barrel full of cash to go after free agents.
NY Jazz fan | 9:10 a.m. July 4, 2009
Anonymous, I agree that things need to change, but comparing Kobe to T-Mac is like comparing Boozer to Malone. Both are good players, but one is clearly superior (and that is obviously not T-Mac).

What I do like about this trade is exactly what "Do it's" previous post stated. The deal takes AK's salary off of the books for the 2010-2011 season, and free's up a bunch of cash for next summer.

Something else to consider is that if the Jazz did not buy out T-Mac this year, the Jazz would field a pretty formidable team. Consider a starting line-up of D-Will, Brewer, T-Mac, Millsap, and Okur, plus a bench with Boozer (bringing Boozer off the bench protects the Jazz's interests by starting the player they intend on keeping around) and Korver.

T-Mac may actually flourish with the Jazz because the pressure would not be all on him.
@above | 9:11 a.m. July 4, 2009
POR just got jilted by Turkoglu. In my opinion TOR is also a small market team. Utah over uses the "small market" excuse.

Right now is not the time to just start making moves for the sake of making moves. There is plenty of time. The best players are under contract. The best priced players will be available later in the year in the fire sales. 1/2 of the NBA is going to go on sale at the trade deadline.

Sloan has to be intelligently replaced. The new coach has to have players that fit his system or he has to run the Sloan system until he can get the right players.

The biggest problem with the Jazz is that they have never gotten enough talent to win a championship. With Stockman and Malone they lacked quality role players.

L Miller insisted on over paying the role players at the same time he held down total salary (probably out of necessity).

Sloan has limitations but it is not all Sloan or just Sloan.

Greg seems to be slowly fixing the management problems. They did not over pay anyone yet. That is encouraging.

Be patient it may get better.
Trading  | 9:11 a.m. July 4, 2009
One chicken for another, I don't see the benefit. Maybe one will lay a bigger EGG????
What? | 9:20 a.m. July 4, 2009
All you people say this is rumor and made up news?

Did you read the article? This was CONFIRMED.

IF McGrady does play we could make a serious run with D-Will, Booz, and Okur. D-Will would have the ball in his hands to control it vs. McGrady which would solve alot of the problem. McGrady is certainly a player that can create his own shot, if needed, which our team sorely needs.

I think AK is great but he does and has moped for as long as Booz has been in the system. When Booz is here AK disappears so he may as well be traded I guess.

Bottom line is that we unload a bunch of salary and it would save the organization money--lots.

AK and Harp should go for McGrady.

Make it happen O'Conner.
Do it | 9:22 a.m. July 4, 2009
Do the Trade now dang it
Why Worry? | 9:25 a.m. July 4, 2009
Why Worry? | 8:36 a.m. July 4, 2009

Because it is part of the fun! Geeez!
CJ3 | 9:26 a.m. July 4, 2009
My money says Houston initiated the talks, and before Artest bolted and they found out Yao could miss more than a year. Getting McGrady is a 2nd round death sentence, Jazz fans.
cur | 9:40 a.m. July 4, 2009
I know lebron or wade would never come to utah but if we traded for mcgrady and we lose Ak and Korver and next year we lose booz and memo and mcgrady wouldnt we have enough money to offer lebron or wade as much as they wanted?
Nothing but save money | 9:54 a.m. July 4, 2009
This is nothing but to save money for the Jazz. If McGrady remains unfit to play, 90% of his $23M will be paid by the insurance not the Jazz. So the loss in Boozer+luxuary tax is returned from the McG-AK trade. Smart business, but AK is the only capable and versatile defender the Jazz have, if he does play. Jazz will have a harder time to defend without AK.
It is wiser to rebuild the team | 9:59 a.m. July 4, 2009
one piece at a time instead of grabbing a bunch of big names in FA and hoping they work together.

If the Jazz ever win a championship it will be because they have gotten the most talented players they can (even back ups) at each position and done it at a reasonable price.

Getting 3 big names is not that feasible for the Jazz. Besides they would over pay and not have good enough role players.

They have DWill, Boozer and AK now. They are all over paid and they are wantabe big names. Utah is in the luxury tax for a play off team.

Maximize the team efficiency. Big names draw attendance on the road. The Jazz need to win on the road.

Home attendance for the Jazz is fine. They don't need big names they need a defense and some adjustments on offense.

At this point CLE does not have the outside shooters to make Shaq effective. Artest is a team disaster wherever he goes. Adding a big name is no guarantee if the fit is bad or even marginal.

SA helped themselves with Jefferson but he is not a big name just a decent player.
average average average | 10:11 a.m. July 4, 2009
Yes lets trade kirilenko for an injured mcgrady who will never play and let millsap get playing time! NO

Millsap is average. I dont even understand why miller is so set on keeping him! Like father like son. Just keepin it average
WAAHHHH!!!!! | 10:14 a.m. July 4, 2009
T-Mac is the biggest baby in the NBA!!!! I can't stand his whining and boobing. He is NOT a team player he is a constant "Me Monster" and we don't need that on this team. His little stunt he pulled with Houston about his surgery shows what little reguard he has for his team or any team! Keep him out of here...he is a cancer for the locker room!!
To the above comment; | 10:25 a.m. July 4, 2009
The Jazz do NOT need to rebuild. I agree with the majority of the comments so far, the Jazz would benefit from moving one or two players, but they in no sense need to rebuild. Sure Boozer and AK are overpaid and not living up to it, but D-Will has lived up to it by being the leader of his team and is still getting better. I think that if the Jazz do stay healthy this year and work out a few kinks, they will be a title contending team (although LA and the Spurs are looking more intimidating than ever).
ROCKETS FAN | 10:25 a.m. July 4, 2009
the rockets should and never will do business with utah...dirty team that never wins...why pick up cry-baby AK...we should trade cry-baby McGrady for Amare....
dream on utah | 10:32 a.m. July 4, 2009
the rockets will never do businees with utah...the jazz are the biggest cheap-shot artists in the nba...they never win and take out their frustrations with elbows to the gut...giving a cry-baby $16 million/yr...real smart...good luck dumping that contract on someone else...the reason boozer and okur opted in is because nobody else wanted them...congrats on the 8th seed this yr and next...
Washington | 10:35 a.m. July 4, 2009
I live here in SLC,UT. I'm a fan, but if this happen I promise never go any UT JAZZ game anymore !
AK is actually much better of T-Mac, former all star...
35 games in a year ? And make all this money ?
Hello, Mr.GM of UT Jazz, wait until Summer 2010 and,
see what the market offer and, have a good leverage in the trading business for AK ...
I'm not expert in Basketball ( The way the Mr.GM of UT Jazz is ) but in the bottom line : This is business...
AK stay, T-Mac ? I wish the best to him, but far away to UT !
FIRE O'CONNER | 10:45 a.m. July 4, 2009
Jazz are wasting their time again. It is painful to be a Jazz fan right now. It seems management wants us to suffer. Celtics,Pistons,and Cavs are already much better in just the last few days. Kevin O'Conner has never been consistent in his decision making.
Dear Rockets Fan | 10:49 a.m. July 4, 2009
Let's see...Rockets...Rockets...can't seem to remember...OH WAIT! Yes, I DO remember you. You're the team we kicked out of the playoffs two years straight! That's right....
Hey, I'd rather be cheap-shot artists than a bunch of floppers (see: battier, Scola, Yao). Oh by the way, you guys HAD and I mean HAD the biggest cheap shot artist in the league in Artest last year, so that argument doesn't fly. Of course, he left you knowing you would be awful next year. Have fun with the Ariza seconds. I'm sure he'll take you to the next level....laugh...
J R Stewart | 11:17 a.m. July 4, 2009
It's a horrible trade, but works easily.
Harpring and AK = $22.951 million
Tracy = $23.239 million
Houston throws in a first round draft pick and $3 million, buys out and releases Matt, and 30 days later Matt rejoins the Jazz for the veteran's minimum, something like $1.2 million, and only half counts toward the cap.

Jazzaholic
Anonymous | 11:22 a.m. July 4, 2009
To get 23+M expiring for Kirilenko/Harpring... I'd consider it... I'd give it some seriuos thought.
CJ3 | 11:24 a.m. July 4, 2009
Dear Fire O'Conner,

Good thing for the Jazz all those teams are in the Eastern Conference, eh. Gotta get through the West first.

Great 2nd round find in Millsap, KOC!
Idahoan | 11:40 a.m. July 4, 2009
Bad idea in my opinion. I think of McGrady as only being a scorer. Kirilenko does a lot more. Remember he's had some games where he's at or near a 5-5, or getting at least five things each in at least five categories, ie points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists. And bringing on a guy who is an injury magnet? It looks to me like as bad an idea of the Raul Lopez guy from Spain a couple years ago. He was a great ballplayer, but it seems the Jazz spent way too much on his knee injuries.
Better Think Twice | 12:20 p.m. July 4, 2009
McGrady's "d" will have him in Sloan's McDoghouse and sitting his McButt on the McBench.

Don't do it.
Anonymous | 12:22 p.m. July 4, 2009
This trade has nothing to do with the basketball standpoint. It's a way to free up big time $ for next summer with the huge expiring contract and to get rid of Kirilenko horrible contract who will be still carrying 17+M in 2010-2011.
Utah would be carrying about what... 50M in expitings?
That's so good for next year...
AK is not good  | 12:25 p.m. July 4, 2009
anymore. He is average. ON offense he is a negative, he drives to the hoop and gets stripped every play, I would rather see T-Mac ANY DAY over AK. AK used to be excellent but not any more, time to part ways.
Just Me | 12:25 p.m. July 4, 2009
I like AK he should stay and be in the starting 5.
there are other worthless players the jazz need to get rid of.
Boo man | 12:26 p.m. July 4, 2009
I think it's a great trade!! Lets get A.k. out of here that's what we all want right? Why not tade him for shack or Kobe for D-will Boozer and memo I think the Lakers would go for that trade. Come on Jazz fans that would be dumb getting T-mac he can't even get out of the first round of the playoffs remember? Do we wan't another Boozer who only plays in 35 games a season let's just keep the team we got for one more time together and make a run for it. Maybe with a new coach like Horney would be great coach for the Jazz
THEeyepatch | 1:02 p.m. July 4, 2009
35 games played last season! O'Conner is trying to make the Jazz better right. The Rocket's wouldn't trade T-Mac for Pop-Gun straight up. That would be one of the clueless trades in NBA history. Then again.... 35 GAMES PLAYED LAST SEASON!

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