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The market for marginal | 11:43 p.m. July 2, 2009
FAs is really bad. If Utah does not make an offer he will have to go to Europe.

I like Price as a person and he plays with energy and sometimes really helps.

However, I do not think he should be the back up PG. The Jazz will lose too many games if they do not take this opportunity to get a decent back up. It will take Maynor a year to learn the system and get ready to run the Jazz. If Maynor has to he can probably run it by Jan. but it would not be optimal.

The NBA is about winning and for 75-80 Million every position counts and every position has to produce as many wins as possible.

For the last 2 years the back up PGs have lost at least 5 games a year. They did not do it intentionally. The Jazz just have to have a quality PG on the floor at all times.

PG is the most important position in the Jazz system.

Sorry Ronnie.

Sloan find another project that you can work on. One that does not lose games. How about Suton? He is as good as Hansbrough.
Miles | 11:48 p.m. July 2, 2009
Don't see any benefit in keeping someone who hardly played this year. Seems like a waste of money. If we want to keep 3 point guards, play AK at the point and don't let him drive or shoot.
Question | 11:59 p.m. July 2, 2009
Can the Jazz find a PG in this FA market who can run the team better than Ronnie Price? Since the market is so bad it is likely KOC can find a better player for under a million. I hope they are not planning on paying Price more than that.

Will the Jazz resign Price in spite of being able to get a better player who will win more games?

Probably.

1. Sloan wants to try to continue to turn Price into a PG.
2. Price is a fan favorite.

You can make a case for 2. However, the NBA is about winning games. If Price loses 3-5 games (very possible as back up PG) that could make the difference between a 2 or 3 seed and a 7 or 8 seed.

These are the type of things Sloan does that lose.

I prefer to win. Sloan is running out of time to win a championship.

If the Jazz out of kindness want to pick up Price and set him on the bench and pay the luxury tax I do not care. I do care about winning games and a better PG is needed on the floor.
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rvalens2 | 12:17 a.m. July 3, 2009
I'd like to see Ronnie back. The main reason he didn't play was because Sloan felt Knight was better at running the team.

However, Jerry admitted at the end of the season that he'd made a mistake by not playing Price in more games.

The kid needs playing time. How can he learn to run the team without it?

Is he going to blow some early plays and games?

Ya ... more than likely. But unless the Jazz can come up with a better alternative via trade, then they may have no choice but to keep Price and play him.

Note to Sloan: Put a little faith in Ronnie and tell him long before the season starts that he's the backup to Williams. So get ready ...

It's amazing what people can accomplish once they KNOW the responsibility is on their shoulders.
Disagree | 1:05 a.m. July 3, 2009
One of the biggest problems with this team is that Sloan's established pecking order and set in concrete rotations.

The Jazz play poorly on the road because they know they are going to get their minutes no matter what. They play well in front of the fans but mail it in on the road.

Had Sloan been more flexible last year he would have played Price when he was the better match up (when Knight could not hit anything). That hurt the team and lost games. Price could have been a better choice for some games. We will never know.

Sloan should play the best match up and that is especially important at PG.

Losing games is not entirely Knight or Price's fault it is Sloan's and his knot headed rotation philosophy.

This team could be much more but it won't and part of that is Sloan's coaching style.

The last thing we need is for Sloan to insist on Price and then tell him his is playing back up PG no matter what.

Sloan need to play Maynor if he can run the team better. The vet bias has to go.
todd from santa ana | 1:55 a.m. July 3, 2009
another edit job. Now Ron Artest is with the Lakers, Just great. He will play tough D and they still have Bynum. ARIZA headed for Houston, the "sheed" to Boston or Spurs.'

Dear friends: Please review the ESPN new Market Evaluation poll conducted by Oregon Marketing firm for 2009.

The reasons the Jazz never change approach is official. Yet many inconsistencies make no sense to this survey. It seems like most people here vent go to occasional games and watch tv. Not season seat holders. This is what Greg cares about.

The Jazz dropped from #15 last year, 34 spots to #49 out of 122 pro sports teams. Angels ranked 1st, Clippers Last. Overall, Jazz respectable #10 in NBA.

Following categories: Bang for Buck #23, Sloan #29 5th in NBA (WHY?), Greg #34 (8th owners) They get toasted other areas.

Fan Relations #60 openness/consideration by players, coaches, management to fans #56 affordability; #69 Stadium Experience.


Crucial here: Title Track #92 No titles, or none ever expected

Players#96 effort and likability off it.

Translation: Sloan and the "holics" and Greg "free pass"

No wonder Greg never does anything.

You can see where it starts.









Playing time | 1:55 a.m. July 3, 2009
I think when Ronnie gets warmed up he is a very good player like we saw in the last Lakers game, however if he's only going to play 10-11 min a game it's hard to get into a rhythm. I also really like the fact he came out of UVSC and is an all around good guy. I think Ronnie has a lot of potential still if we can hang on to him and play him more this year.
todd from santa ana | 1:58 a.m. July 3, 2009
Why it should take Maynor long to be ready? Oh Jerry's syste,...Price does deserve the chance to be #2 though and maybe he can team with Maynor who could be shooting guard if playing with Price.

That might be fun to watch...
P2P2K | 2:29 a.m. July 3, 2009
Bring him back! now!
SammyD | 2:32 a.m. July 3, 2009
Didn't Millsap get a lot of minutes as a rookie? Williams did also.

@Todd | 8:21 a.m. July 3, 2009
can you post the link for that poll on the Jazz?

I think the Lakers just drank a poison pill. Nothing against Artest but it is as if he has Bad Karma everywhere he goes, whether it is his fault or not, the team blows up.

Look at what happened in HOU.

RonRon is the exact wrong personality and style to put into the triangle offense. He will be shooting bad percentage shots when he should be passing to Gausol. He will destroy the Lakers even if they figure out how to coach him.

Turkoglu going to POR is not necessarily bad either. He will cost them a lot and he really is not needed or that much of an upgrade. He has playoff experience. It it worth that much?

I looked at Jefferson's Win Score. He is not very efficient nor improving over time. He puts up a lot of shots to get his points. He will not save SA if Duncan goes down.

Other teams are making moves, however those moves are not as formidable as they seem right now.
Sloan's biggest mistake | 8:33 a.m. July 3, 2009
Price's only real minutes last year came at the start of the 4th quarter in Game 5 against the Lakers, when he singlehandedly brought the Jazz back from a 24 point deficit. Remember, Sloan played JASON HART and Brevin Knight in front of Price. I guess Sloan loves crappy veteran players. (Collins, anyone?)
The Jazz need a remake | 8:34 a.m. July 3, 2009
and Price is a very small issue. I have no problem with him being 3rd PG. I do have a problem with losing games if he is the 2nd PG.

The Jazz need a better PF (not Boozer or Millsap). They need a better C who has an inside game and can bang a little and shoot the 3. They could get by with Okur if the PF played defense.

The Jazz need a 2/3 who can shoot and defend.

They need a better overall defense. In the process of moving Boozer the Jazz could address both a younger better PF and an SG/SF who can shoot and defend. They also could simply replace Korver. Brewer is cheaper for a year but will not remain so. Both of them have holes in their game.

All of this is doable this year and next and the Jazz could still be under the luxury tax but a very viable contender.
Kinsey | 11:08 a.m. July 3, 2009
Should of went after a big guy in the draft. Price should of been #2 last season! The kids got talent!! And tons of energy.
no more than 1 mil to keep him | 11:11 a.m. July 3, 2009
Price is ok. He's not a true pg, and entering his 3rd year with the team i would think he should have caught on by now. I would much rather sloan use maynor as the backup pg and get him some playing time to develop, since he is a true pg. I think people give his last 5 minutes of the laker game too much credit. He hadnt played at all during the playoffs, and he had nothing to lose because our team couldnt come back and win. Thats why he played so well. Plus it was a scrubs game by then. I'm just not as impressed as most were about that I guess. We dont know how practices went, im sure sloan didnt have him play for a reason. As bad as knight was, he was doing what sloan asked him to do: pass the ball. Ronnie shoots too much, that is not what a sloan point guard should think of first. thats why he was 3rd string, and thats why i think we let him go or pay minimal to keep him as a pg #3
jazz fan | 11:18 a.m. July 3, 2009
keep price hes good
Sick of Sloan | 12:18 p.m. July 3, 2009
Ronnie played amazing in game 5 and i knew that was going to happen. Knight didn't do jack when he was in during the entire season. Price was obviously better than Knight, he just didn't get the chance to show it because Sloan never played him. I don't think we should let Price go he's a lot better than people think. I'm just tired of Sloan. I'm a high school kid and i know that Price is better than Knight.
Charles Barkley new GM | 1:12 p.m. July 3, 2009
Cavs landed Shaq,Lakers get Artest,Celics obtain Rasheed? I guess Kevin O'Conner is a Laker fan trying to punish us. Get a Jazz fan to be the new GM.
Charles Barkley for GM. Scottie Pippen can coach. Sloan wont last another 2 years with this pain.
Better is relative | 1:26 p.m. July 3, 2009
Most of the time Knight ran the team better as he knew how to run a team. However, I can shoot better than he can and I can barely walk.

There were times when Price could have run the team better. On nights when an up tempo game was needed and when the opposing team packed the paint and backed off of Knight to double, Price may have been better.

Sloan runs rigid rotations. He has a pecking order. I just flat out disagree with that approach. He does not take advantage of the other teams weaknesses. He just trots out his system and tries to make it work even when it is impossible to work with the players he is playing.

Neither, Knight nor Price are good enough at PG both of them will lose enough games to justify a better back up. It is about winning, not if some fans love Price.

We do not know how soon Maynor will be able to run the team. To me it makes sense to start with a good back up who can. Let Maynor have a year to get ready. If there is an injury he can sub.
There are no practice players | 1:41 p.m. July 3, 2009
The Jazz do not have super stars (they have a couple of wantabes) to lead them to a title. The best hope is to get the best collection of players they can.

There is no room for practice players. Koufos is integral to the future of the Jazz. Price is not. After this year at best he is the 3rd PG. His development is not very important to the future of the team.

If the Jazz have to have a project they need to go and get and develop a big combo guard who can shoot and defend. He can be the 3rd PG and actually get effective playing time at SG.

Price is not a particularly good SG and is not a PG.

Go get the players that are needed at every position to win. Stop the nonsense. Unless the player is the best the Jazz can get or unless they are important to the future of the team. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ON THE FLOOR. Remember Collins?

Sloan has his pets and plays them. This is a professional (?) sports organization, not a welfare program for NBA players.

Please save the Jazz from Sloanisms.
What to do? | 2:22 p.m. July 3, 2009
Boozer needs to be traded. We will not win on the road because of the players attitudes and I think the bad attitudes begins with Boozer. Ronnie Price is cheap insurance. We likely would have done better if he had played more last year. There are several other players who have outlasted their usefulness to the team. Think Jarron Collins. Expectations need to be higher. There needs to be more flexibility in rotations. Game planning needs to be better. Jerrry Sloan is one of the most respected coaches in the N.B.A. Perhaps it is time to leave while that respect is still intact. This should not be your grand dad's team, it needs to be brought current with some different players and different ideas.
Johnson | 2:49 p.m. July 3, 2009
Avery Johnson is still available...hurry.
IDjazz12 | 3:00 p.m. July 3, 2009
What most on here who say go and get somebody else is if you want better than you are going to have to pay for it, and the Jazz are already in the luxury tax without Milsap signed, so Price is the best out there for the price. Besides when was the last time a 10 or higher rookie pick in Sloans system ever got any minutes right away. You might as well plan on celebrating another D-league star!!!!
todd to johnson | 3:18 p.m. July 3, 2009
no comment. Avery could win with this squad, again I will refer to ESPN insider report, people are happy and content- Lakers vs Spurs 2010 west finals, peace...
be smart | 5:35 p.m. July 3, 2009
Price gives the jazz the best chance to win every game playing in mixed line ups and backing DWill
pawaso | 6:16 p.m. July 3, 2009
Ronnie is better than the Jazz can afford, better than most give him credit and will be better than Maynor this year... Get him signed at a reasonable price (no pun intended), then give him some playing time to get his rythm. About the only time I have ever really respected Sloan was after his game 5 comments, where he finally accepted some of the blame for his part in the way the Jazz lost.

I thought Ronnie ran the show just fine at the beginning of last season when Williams was hurt. He just needs enough playing time to get his confidence up. His heart, desire and more importantly his effort is better than anyone else on the team!
BigJazzFan | 10:44 p.m. July 3, 2009
NO matter how good of a player you are,

if you do not fit in sloans system amd play your position according to his way and his system,

he has no use for you.
Miles | 10:55 p.m. July 3, 2009
Price was on the team the entire year. What did he do to earn a new contract. Give me a break. Just like Millsap doesn't deserve more than 5 million as a backup PF.
todd to the "holics" | 2:23 a.m. July 4, 2009
what a joke O Connor is....He does not do anything to try and sign and trade and package guys up to so many teams that want to dump. For one, we possibly could have acquired "the sheed", or Magette, maybe Zach Randolph or others.

Instead, McGrady has been damaged goods, and rarely makes it through season. Yet you want to sign someone like this who did not even want the ball 2 years ago in the 7th game of playoff loss to the Jazz.

Give me Rip, or Prince any day of the week over Mcgrady



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PriceCuz2 | 4:17 a.m. July 4, 2009
Ronnie Price is still an up and comming Diamond in the RUFF. Sloan realized this point a Little too Late. His hard work and dedication to the team and to the GAME is rare in young VET players. Being released without a clear chance and opportunity to be the team leader and next in line is all that is needed to then make a reasonable decision about to keep him or not. Jazz has a good mix brewing and they could go all the way this year with he right mix of talents for each game. Study each guard and their talents then let them prove themselves in the games were they should be the better match up for the competition. There is a huge advantage to having 3 on the line. Instead of a cookie cutter PG one to fit all situaiton. Their players all still somewhat Green to maximum playing time and they each need to be given both time and opportunity to shine before placing the burden of NBA playoff ranking in the 5 or 10 min that they are actually on the court during regular season.
We support you Ronnie!!!
Miles and Big are right | 7:26 a.m. July 4, 2009
it is a matter of fitting Sloan's system. It is a matter of the Jazz selecting players who are ideal in their roles in the system. Price does not fit that well but Sloan is trying to fix him.

One of the biggest problems the Jazz have over time is that Sloan has a strong need for projects. He likes to take players and mold them to his system.

It is a lot better to just go get the talent that is needed at each position. Stop getting flawed players and trying to make them into something they will never be good at.

L Miller loved finding bargains and Sloan loved projects. The result was a lot of players who were not good enough, stayed to long. Once they knew the system they got over paid.

The problems on this team can be traced primarily to quirks in the personalities of L Miller and J Sloan. That is what happens when you do not make needed (coaching) changes.

This is Sloan's team. The Millers are just the check book.
Von Wafer is available for | 7:41 a.m. July 4, 2009
less than a million. He is 6'5" and not resigning with HOU. Try making a back up PG out of him?
Late last year opponents | 9:01 a.m. July 4, 2009
had figured out how to stop the Sloan system by attacking DWill before he could get into the set. That might have been a major reason why Sloan did not play Price.

What adjustment can the Jazz make to fix the PG problem? It threatens the the usefulness of the whole system.

Can Price handle the pressure? He tends to be pretty erratic in running the offense anyway.

@Todd

KOC needs to resolve the Millsap saga before making any moves period. When that is done there is plenty of time to get the right players.

Z-BO is worse than Artest in a locker. You don't want him on any team. Sheed would not come to Utah. He is going to BOS, ORL or maybe CLE. Even SA might not be able to get him.

Maggette has pros and cons and is a lot more expensive than other options.

Chill out on the trade rant. Time is on the side of the Jazz. They do not need big names. They need players with the right skills and price.

KOC may do much better now that L Miller is not looking over his shoulder.
Myth-hard work | 9:23 a.m. July 4, 2009
I am getting tired of the myth that hard work should get you on the roster.

Plow horses work hard, that does not make them fast enough to win a race.

Start with enough talent and then add the hard work.

The players are making 1-17 million each year. They should work hard. Their careers last 1-15 years. They have to work hard or they get replaced.

It is more effective to work smart first and hard second.

Go get the right talent.
drcj32 | 12:58 p.m. July 5, 2009
I am a former teammate of Ronnie and am biased, but I think it's funny to see people talk about basketball that have never played highly, competitive basketball. They are known as recliner players and think they know everyting from all their years Watching the Jazz. As I prepare to go play overseas, I can tel you that Ronnie works his butt off and just needs regular playing time and Coach Sloan recognized that after Game 5 of the Lakers series.
The minute he comes into the game the entire energy level of the team picks up. Remember the 2008 series against the Lakers when he blocked Luke Walton's shot and the arena exploded. That energy is special. Few Jazz players play with that enthusiasim and toughness. He should be the number two guard pg in the system. Let him know he has that responsibility and give him time, he has to learn. I would rather have 5 Ronnie Prices who work hard and are fearless then 5 Carlos Boozers. Ronnie has the talent, we've seen flashes of it in games. He just needs consistant playing time and that falls on the coach to make those decisions.
todd to drc32 | 1:59 p.m. July 5, 2009
I think most of us recognize Ronnie's clear love for the game, his passion, his wanting to do the right thing. In the first week of last season he started for DWIL in Staples Vs the CLippers. He was awesome if you remember that game. That night as I sat next to Jazz fans, we watched the hustle, AK all over the place, the good rotation and hustle and we thought this team could go far.

My question is what happened?
Anonymous | 12:08 a.m. July 6, 2009
I would pay to watch Ronnie play because he puts out 100 percent, not 75 percent the way Boozer does. And Price is certainly capable. He is superquick, and he is smart enough to improve a great deal given some playing time. His numbers last year were almost identical with Knight's, but Price is getting better while Knight is declining. I predict that Price will be loved by the fans if brought back because he'll help win more games. And maybe he'll inspire Boozer to play smarter and harder on D.

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