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@11:18 | 12:30 p.m. June 26, 2009
I would believe she was kidding, however the Word Of Wisdom from one of the LDS
scriptures does state that "hot" drinks should be avoided because
caffeine in them can alter judgement. The idea of the Word of Wisdom is to
avoid those things that alter our state of mind (drugs, alcohol, etc)
And it is one of the Ten Commandments to keep the sabbath day holy. I.E. it is a day of rest. So shopping on Sunday would be out, not because it is not restful for you, but disallows others to observe the sabbath by making them work on sundays.
And, maybe Jesus did drink coffee, but I doubt it is the same coffee we drink now.
And it is one of the Ten Commandments to keep the sabbath day holy. I.E. it is a day of rest. So shopping on Sunday would be out, not because it is not restful for you, but disallows others to observe the sabbath by making them work on sundays.
And, maybe Jesus did drink coffee, but I doubt it is the same coffee we drink now.
re - Stacie | 11:35 a.m | 12:34 p.m. June 26, 2009
["To clarify: everyone is allowed to maintain their beliefs without
persecution. Every individual is allowed to vote according to the dictates of
their heart. Bullying those who choose to vote in opposition to an individuals
view of 'correct' is unconstitutional and extremely
junior-high-ish."]
no one has a problem with people voting according to their views.
the problem is when a church (your church) tells its practioners to contribute as much as they can to a deceptive and malicious ad campaign that's rife with lies. that is wrong to do, and in my opinion the biggest sin committed in all of this.
its extremely grade-school.... your church sinned. what don't you get?
no one has a problem with people voting according to their views.
the problem is when a church (your church) tells its practioners to contribute as much as they can to a deceptive and malicious ad campaign that's rife with lies. that is wrong to do, and in my opinion the biggest sin committed in all of this.
its extremely grade-school.... your church sinned. what don't you get?
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LDS4GayMarriage | 12:58 p.m. June 26, 2009
Stacie promotes seperating Church and state. Consider what Elder McConkie said
about this (Part 1 of 2) Regarding the separation of Church and State, Bruce R.
McConkie, in his Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, discusses Matthew 22:15-22,
Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:22-26. He states -
"How better could the Master Teacher proclaim his doctrine of separation of church and state than he did here in avoiding the trap of the Pharisees and Herodians?
These scheming and hypocritical "spies" offered Jesus these two alternatives as possible answers to their diabolically clever question: (1) Say, 'Yes, pay the hated poll tax to Rome as the law already requires,' which answer would cause the Pharisees to inflame the people against him. Or: (2) Say, as the sect of Zealots taught, 'No, Israel is a theocracy; God only is her King; pay no tribute to a foreign power,' in which event the Herodians would have delivered him "unto the power and authority of the governor," charging him with sedition and rebellion.
"How better could the Master Teacher proclaim his doctrine of separation of church and state than he did here in avoiding the trap of the Pharisees and Herodians?
These scheming and hypocritical "spies" offered Jesus these two alternatives as possible answers to their diabolically clever question: (1) Say, 'Yes, pay the hated poll tax to Rome as the law already requires,' which answer would cause the Pharisees to inflame the people against him. Or: (2) Say, as the sect of Zealots taught, 'No, Israel is a theocracy; God only is her King; pay no tribute to a foreign power,' in which event the Herodians would have delivered him "unto the power and authority of the governor," charging him with sedition and rebellion.
Anonymous | 1:10 p.m. June 26, 2009
All of you trying to rationalize something that Lord has taught forever, in fact
since the beginning of time, just remember that Satan is the father of lies. He
knows how to justify anything. I can see his hand in all these arguements about
it being ok to sin, or to be gay, or to give into any natural man thing. There
has to be a right from a wrong. Anyone who thinks there is no wrong, Satan has
won that battle with you.
Anonymous | 2:17 p.m. June 26, 2009
" so if I have a Word of Wisdom problem and I've tried and tried to
quit (drinking, smoking, coffee, or whatever) and I can't beat the
addiction because it's become a part of who I am..."
It is a little stronger than that. Try to change your sexual attraction. You don't even have to be attracted to the other sex. Just become neutral. You will see how easy it is.
Let me know how that works out.
BTW, you must keep it changed the rest of your life.
It is a little stronger than that. Try to change your sexual attraction. You don't even have to be attracted to the other sex. Just become neutral. You will see how easy it is.
Let me know how that works out.
BTW, you must keep it changed the rest of your life.
re - @11:18 | 12:30 p.m | 2:32 p.m. June 26, 2009
["So shopping on Sunday would be out, not because it is not restful for
you, but disallows others to observe the sabbath by making them work on
sundays."]
they're not working because you're shopping - they're working because everyone else is shopping. So to shop on sunday isn't a sin in any way (although I can understand your leaders being confused.)
["the Word Of Wisdom from one of the LDS scriptures does state that "hot" drinks should be avoided because caffeine in them can alter judgement."]
I drink coffee - it doesn't alter judgement - in fact, it clears the mind. perhaps that's why your leaders tell you not to drink it....
The 2nd commandment also says "For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God". Do you actually believe that? I ask because the 10th commandment deals with "coveting" or jealousy - so it's ok for God to be jealous but not us?
I've always believed in following the 10 commandments, but I believe the 2nd one has been mis-translated. It says don't make images of anything in heaven, earth, or water, that would mean all pictures of same are sins..
they're not working because you're shopping - they're working because everyone else is shopping. So to shop on sunday isn't a sin in any way (although I can understand your leaders being confused.)
["the Word Of Wisdom from one of the LDS scriptures does state that "hot" drinks should be avoided because caffeine in them can alter judgement."]
I drink coffee - it doesn't alter judgement - in fact, it clears the mind. perhaps that's why your leaders tell you not to drink it....
The 2nd commandment also says "For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God". Do you actually believe that? I ask because the 10th commandment deals with "coveting" or jealousy - so it's ok for God to be jealous but not us?
I've always believed in following the 10 commandments, but I believe the 2nd one has been mis-translated. It says don't make images of anything in heaven, earth, or water, that would mean all pictures of same are sins..
Anonymous | 2:43 p.m. June 26, 2009
[""How better could the Master Teacher proclaim his doctrine of
separation of church and state than he did here in avoiding the trap of the
Pharisees and Herodians?"]
do you mind if I quote Aesops fables here? because it makes about as much sense, and isjust as real..
this isn't a religious issue - it's a civil rights issue. I wish you people would leave religion out of it....
do you mind if I quote Aesops fables here? because it makes about as much sense, and isjust as real..
this isn't a religious issue - it's a civil rights issue. I wish you people would leave religion out of it....
To: JAYEG | 2:50 p.m. June 26, 2009
"According to Jacob, the Lord considered the practice of taking plural
wives and concubines to be an abomination in His sight, and the cause of great
unhappiness for the women and children. Interesting...how so shortly after
publishing the BOM, and also discussing how God ordained marriage to be between
one man and one woman...Joseph Smith turned right around and claimed that God
was commanding the Saints to practice that particular abomination."
If you're going to discuss the doctrine contained in the book of Jacob, perhaps you should finish the thought. Right after he condemns polygamy, he says:
"For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me (through polygamy as previously mentioned in an earlier verse), I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things."
You see, it's only wrong when the Lord doesn't command it. When Joseph Smith first reintroduced the doctrine, it was because the Lord commanded it. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to, but at least quote the Book of Mormon properly if you're going to criticize.
If you're going to discuss the doctrine contained in the book of Jacob, perhaps you should finish the thought. Right after he condemns polygamy, he says:
"For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me (through polygamy as previously mentioned in an earlier verse), I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things."
You see, it's only wrong when the Lord doesn't command it. When Joseph Smith first reintroduced the doctrine, it was because the Lord commanded it. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to, but at least quote the Book of Mormon properly if you're going to criticize.
Head | 2:50 p.m. June 26, 2009
Christ is the head of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints'
church. When He changes His mind, the leaders will change theirs.
to - Head | 2:50 p.m | 3:17 p.m. June 26, 2009
["Christ is the head of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints' church. When He changes His mind, the leaders will change
theirs"]
everyone agrees with you 100%
now - please explain how Christ will let your leaders know. And don't say "through revelation" because that's just a cop-out way of saying your leaders changed their minds.
so - how will your leaders know that Christ changed His mind?
everyone agrees with you 100%
now - please explain how Christ will let your leaders know. And don't say "through revelation" because that's just a cop-out way of saying your leaders changed their minds.
so - how will your leaders know that Christ changed His mind?
anonymous | 3:26 p.m. June 26, 2009
I like how people say the church never changes position on things, but what
about priesthood for african americans? I like how we forget about the churches
history when it is convenient for our own argument.
Imagine | 3:28 p.m. June 26, 2009
I think many of us who are homosexual and still feel a strong attachment to the
church aren't asking for any policy changes. I can't speak for others,
but all I am asking for is a stop to the constant comments that minimize who I
am. I know that I am following the commandments the best I can, but comments
like so many that have been posted on here prove that others judge that I do
not. Do many of you realize that your comments and attitudes indicate that you
think we are a problem that needs to be solved? We are not problems, we are just
as important in God's plan as you are. I just want people to stop treating
me as a problem, feeling the need to preach to me, and start treating me as a
human being. Is that hard to understand?
LDS4GayMarriage | 3:35 p.m. June 26, 2009
Anonymous | 1:10 p.m. June 26, 2009
"All of you trying to rationalize something that Lord has taught forever, in fact since the beginning of time, just remember that Satan is the father of lies"
LDS - Wasn't it Satan who proposed using force to elicit righteous behavior? Passing laws limits choice and agency and is compatible with Satan's plan.
"All of you trying to rationalize something that Lord has taught forever, in fact since the beginning of time, just remember that Satan is the father of lies"
LDS - Wasn't it Satan who proposed using force to elicit righteous behavior? Passing laws limits choice and agency and is compatible with Satan's plan.
MADRYBEG | 3:39 p.m. June 26, 2009
Re: Imagine
Great points made there. I am not here to tell you how to live your life. That is not my responsiblity. I don't know you. However, I will look into my life and see what it is I need to do to draw closer to God, if you will do the same? I have quite a temper and wish I would keep my mouth shut sometimes when I get mad! :)
Take care...
Great points made there. I am not here to tell you how to live your life. That is not my responsiblity. I don't know you. However, I will look into my life and see what it is I need to do to draw closer to God, if you will do the same? I have quite a temper and wish I would keep my mouth shut sometimes when I get mad! :)
Take care...
Strange | 3:47 p.m. June 26, 2009
The LDS will never escape attack as long as they have any standards. The world
does not want to elevate behavior, just lower the bar so that anyone can jump
over. As in Garrison Keillor's Lake Wobegon, the only way everyone can be
above average is to lower the average.
Follow the prophet | 4:08 p.m. June 26, 2009
Follow the prophet, follow the prophet , follow the prophet and don't go
astray !!
Bill | 4:14 p.m. June 26, 2009
to LDS4GayMarriage:
I'm sorry but all of your arguments goes against everything I've been taught. The Church asked the membership to contribute their time and money to help pass Proposition 8 because it is a moral issue and one the Church has every right to do. In no way did the Church require you to give that time and money. In fact it was totally voluntary just as giving your 10% for tithing and other things is totally voluntary. You are not forced to do anything against your will by the Church. Now if you want to enjoy the blessing of the Temple, you will pay that 10% but you are not forced to. Some say well maybe that isn't fair but the Lord has set that limit not the Church. Remember Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, not President Monson. If President Monson requested that information, then it came directly from Jesus Christ.
Failure to understand that is leading you towards apostasy. I for one understand that when the leaders of the Church request assistance that that is not coming from man but from the Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry but all of your arguments goes against everything I've been taught. The Church asked the membership to contribute their time and money to help pass Proposition 8 because it is a moral issue and one the Church has every right to do. In no way did the Church require you to give that time and money. In fact it was totally voluntary just as giving your 10% for tithing and other things is totally voluntary. You are not forced to do anything against your will by the Church. Now if you want to enjoy the blessing of the Temple, you will pay that 10% but you are not forced to. Some say well maybe that isn't fair but the Lord has set that limit not the Church. Remember Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, not President Monson. If President Monson requested that information, then it came directly from Jesus Christ.
Failure to understand that is leading you towards apostasy. I for one understand that when the leaders of the Church request assistance that that is not coming from man but from the Lord Jesus Christ.
To: Stacie | 4:36 p.m. June 26, 2009
If the purpose of life is to be heterosexual then where does that leave the gay
children who are born into the church? Are these children of the church to be
banished? Or commit suicide? What a mean-spirited, irrational church that
would be.
Anonymous | 4:42 p.m. June 26, 2009
TO - Follow the prophet | 4:08 p.m.
["Follow the prophet, follow the prophet , follow the prophet and don't go astray !!"]
the prophet died in 33AD. I'll follow Him when I die. Keep following false prophets and you won't.
You've forgetten the 2nd commandment...
["Follow the prophet, follow the prophet , follow the prophet and don't go astray !!"]
the prophet died in 33AD. I'll follow Him when I die. Keep following false prophets and you won't.
You've forgetten the 2nd commandment...
re: Anonymous @ 2:43 | 4:45 p.m. June 26, 2009
I agree with you that it's not a religious issue, but it isn't a civil
rights issue either because nobody is being deprived of any civil rights.
Homosexual marriage should be banned because it's bad for society (by incentivizing unproductive sexual behavior), not because some religion says it's "evil."
Homosexual marriage should be banned because it's bad for society (by incentivizing unproductive sexual behavior), not because some religion says it's "evil."
Jake | 4:46 p.m. June 26, 2009
Re: to - Head | 2:50 p.m
How do you know revelation is a cop-out? I'm sure there have been many through the ages who have claimed revelation falsely - but does that mean it doesn't exist? Do you believe in the Bible? Have you ever noticed the revelations in it? Dreams, visions, commandments, prophecies, angelic messengers - do you believe in those? Why should it be possible then, and not now? Or, if you don't believe in the Bible, then why do you care what Jesus thinks? What would you know about him if not for the Bible?
How do you know revelation is a cop-out? I'm sure there have been many through the ages who have claimed revelation falsely - but does that mean it doesn't exist? Do you believe in the Bible? Have you ever noticed the revelations in it? Dreams, visions, commandments, prophecies, angelic messengers - do you believe in those? Why should it be possible then, and not now? Or, if you don't believe in the Bible, then why do you care what Jesus thinks? What would you know about him if not for the Bible?
LDS4GayMarriage | 5:02 p.m. June 26, 2009
Bill | 4:14 p.m. June 26, 2009
to LDS4GayMarriage:
I'm sorry but all of your arguments goes against everything I've been taught.
LDS - Such as...
The Church asked the membership to contribute their time and money to help pass Proposition 8 because it is a moral issue and one the Church has every right to do.
LDS - Sure, the Church has a right to. My point is that the scriptures forbid it. 1 Cor. 10:29 forbids people from using their moral beliefs to justify their infringing upon the rights of others. Gays DID have the right to marry prior to the election. We used our moral beliefs to take away these rights against scripture. We also betrayed the words of the prophets regarding others who took away OUR unique form of marriage because it didn't agree with the morals of the majority. Our ox was gored then and now we are the ones goring another's. How sad.
to LDS4GayMarriage:
I'm sorry but all of your arguments goes against everything I've been taught.
LDS - Such as...
The Church asked the membership to contribute their time and money to help pass Proposition 8 because it is a moral issue and one the Church has every right to do.
LDS - Sure, the Church has a right to. My point is that the scriptures forbid it. 1 Cor. 10:29 forbids people from using their moral beliefs to justify their infringing upon the rights of others. Gays DID have the right to marry prior to the election. We used our moral beliefs to take away these rights against scripture. We also betrayed the words of the prophets regarding others who took away OUR unique form of marriage because it didn't agree with the morals of the majority. Our ox was gored then and now we are the ones goring another's. How sad.
Bill is amazing | 5:07 p.m. June 26, 2009
"Now if you want to enjoy the blessing of the Temple, you will pay that 10%
but you are not forced to. Some say well maybe that isn't fair but the Lord
has set that limit not the Church"
do you REALLY believe God or Jesus said you should give at least 10% of your check to be allowed in the temple? you mean to tell me someone as busy as God sat down and figured out 10% would be a good number?
how can you possibly say that the Lord se that limit? (or at least how can you say it with a straight face?)
do you REALLY believe God or Jesus said you should give at least 10% of your check to be allowed in the temple? you mean to tell me someone as busy as God sat down and figured out 10% would be a good number?
how can you possibly say that the Lord se that limit? (or at least how can you say it with a straight face?)
LDS4GayMarriage | 5:23 p.m. June 26, 2009
Bill - If President Monson requested that information, then it came directly
from Jesus Christ.
LDS - Past prophets have stated that scripture overrules their own words and that over ruling scripture requires that a proposition be declared a revelation by the prophet and get the unanimous consent of the 12 and then the Church via Comon Consent. That's what happened with the Priesthood revelation in 1978.
There has been NOTHING said about a revelation, vision, promptinig, inkling, etc...that the Lord prompted the Church to violate scripture, violate our teachings regarding the Constitution, personal freedom and our experience with others taking polygamy from us.
Bill - Failure to understand that is leading you towards apostasy. I for one understand that when the leaders of the Church request assistance that that is not coming from man but from the Lord Jesus Christ.
LDS - Brigham Young said that the Lord doesn't always answer their requests for guidance and that the brethren simply impose their own ideas on the Church. Sorry. I'd recant everything if ANYONE can show me how we AREN'T violating 1 Cor. 10:29 by taking away the rights of gays.
LDS - Past prophets have stated that scripture overrules their own words and that over ruling scripture requires that a proposition be declared a revelation by the prophet and get the unanimous consent of the 12 and then the Church via Comon Consent. That's what happened with the Priesthood revelation in 1978.
There has been NOTHING said about a revelation, vision, promptinig, inkling, etc...that the Lord prompted the Church to violate scripture, violate our teachings regarding the Constitution, personal freedom and our experience with others taking polygamy from us.
Bill - Failure to understand that is leading you towards apostasy. I for one understand that when the leaders of the Church request assistance that that is not coming from man but from the Lord Jesus Christ.
LDS - Brigham Young said that the Lord doesn't always answer their requests for guidance and that the brethren simply impose their own ideas on the Church. Sorry. I'd recant everything if ANYONE can show me how we AREN'T violating 1 Cor. 10:29 by taking away the rights of gays.
Richard | 5:34 p.m. June 26, 2009
Gays are a concer that will in time kill our culture.
To Richard | 6:09 p.m. June 26, 2009
What is a concer? Is this a new word you just made up?
To: To LDS Apology | 6:39 p.m. June 26, 2009
There is no commandment that says thou shalt not be gay.
When a church tells someone that his very being is wrong, and that he must live a life of self-denial, pushing that person to suicide, then yes, its the churchs fault.
Religious authorities want to tell people what to do, but they dont want to accept the consequences; in this case, breaking someones spirit to the point of taking his own life.
When a church tells someone that his very being is wrong, and that he must live a life of self-denial, pushing that person to suicide, then yes, its the churchs fault.
Religious authorities want to tell people what to do, but they dont want to accept the consequences; in this case, breaking someones spirit to the point of taking his own life.
To: To: To LDS Apology | 8:49 p.m. June 26, 2009
"pushing that person to suicide, then yes, its the churchs fault."
I guess if religious authorities tell people not to take drugs even though they want to that the Church is "breaking someone's spirit."
I get it now. You make perfect sense.
I guess if religious authorities tell people not to take drugs even though they want to that the Church is "breaking someone's spirit."
I get it now. You make perfect sense.
David in New York | 9:33 p.m. June 26, 2009
Semantics are important sometimes. A religion is a "set of beliefs".
If one adamantly believes homosexuality is right then why would he want to
belong to a religion that so adamantly beleives that it is wrong? They're
different "sets of beliefs". They're different religions. Accept
it, part ways, but tolerate one another's right to differing opinions.
Flood | 12:59 a.m. June 27, 2009
Does the Lord have to destroy the earth again, as he did with the Flood at
Noah's time, when the human family was so wicked. If Gays are allowed the
sacred privilege of marriage, then what three people getting involved in
marriage, then marriage to teens, then what humans and animals. So many people
are already claiming their animals as their family, the logical next step is
them wanting to adopt or marry their animal.
To the one who says that gay lifestyle is not forbidden in the bible apparently either has not read the bible or is clueless as to what it says, because it very clearly states what God's plan is for his children. Gay marriage is no part of that plan. God did not create and earth for his children to inhabit and then cause them to have tendencies which force them to disobey his commandments.
The Church is standing for its right to defend the family. A person who commits suicide over this has other problems besides this. The Church cannot change its position and still be God's church.
To the one who says that gay lifestyle is not forbidden in the bible apparently either has not read the bible or is clueless as to what it says, because it very clearly states what God's plan is for his children. Gay marriage is no part of that plan. God did not create and earth for his children to inhabit and then cause them to have tendencies which force them to disobey his commandments.
The Church is standing for its right to defend the family. A person who commits suicide over this has other problems besides this. The Church cannot change its position and still be God's church.
to flood | 5:03 a.m. June 27, 2009
During the time that Noah and his family was supposedly living through the flood
that covered the earth, the Chinese continued writing and were aggressive record
keepers. How do you reconcile the Chinese being alive, well, and writing during
a flood that has them dead? Perhaps you might be interested in the story of
Gilgamesh.
What does Jesus state about homosexuality? Oh wait, he doesn't
What does Jesus state about homosexuality? Oh wait, he doesn't
Hetero genius | 7:17 a.m. June 27, 2009
It's time to say good bye to this article and to these
postings.....Frank&Scarlet I don't give a ... as long as you don't
try to force it down my throat.....and stay away from my kids and my God fearing
neighbors.
LDS4GayMarriage | 9:47 a.m. June 27, 2009
"pushing that person to suicide, then yes, its the churchs fault."
"I guess if religious authorities tell people not to take drugs even though they want to that the Church is "breaking someone's spirit."
LDS - It's more like living in an emotionally abusive marriage. Both a mariage and the church are a major part of our social lives and self identity. Women often return to abusive husbands, even those who are physically abusive...and these women often just SNAP. The same is true for gay members. The subtle jabs, jokes, and Prop.8 promotions eventually cause some of these gay members to likewise SNAP. There isn't much difference.
"I guess if religious authorities tell people not to take drugs even though they want to that the Church is "breaking someone's spirit."
LDS - It's more like living in an emotionally abusive marriage. Both a mariage and the church are a major part of our social lives and self identity. Women often return to abusive husbands, even those who are physically abusive...and these women often just SNAP. The same is true for gay members. The subtle jabs, jokes, and Prop.8 promotions eventually cause some of these gay members to likewise SNAP. There isn't much difference.
LDS4GayMarriage | 9:56 a.m. June 27, 2009
Flood | 12:59 a.m. June 27, 2009
"If Gays are allowed the sacred privilege of marriage, then what three people getting involved in marriage, then marriage to teens, then what humans and animals. So many people are already claiming their animals as their family, the logical next step is them wanting to adopt or marry their animal.
LDS - When kids and animals are given the ability to enter into legally binding contracts or agreements, we'll talk then. The above comment is designed to shed far more heat than light.
"God did not create and earth for his children to inhabit and then cause them to have tendencies which force them to disobey his commandments."
LDS - IOW, God doesn't want anyone tempted. Right?
"The Church is standing for its right to defend the family. A person who commits suicide over this has other problems besides this. The Church cannot change its position and still be God's church. "
LDS - Agreed, but the Church needs to do a better job of educating members about how gays are also God's children and they need compassion. Many members are very poor "examples of the believes".
"If Gays are allowed the sacred privilege of marriage, then what three people getting involved in marriage, then marriage to teens, then what humans and animals. So many people are already claiming their animals as their family, the logical next step is them wanting to adopt or marry their animal.
LDS - When kids and animals are given the ability to enter into legally binding contracts or agreements, we'll talk then. The above comment is designed to shed far more heat than light.
"God did not create and earth for his children to inhabit and then cause them to have tendencies which force them to disobey his commandments."
LDS - IOW, God doesn't want anyone tempted. Right?
"The Church is standing for its right to defend the family. A person who commits suicide over this has other problems besides this. The Church cannot change its position and still be God's church. "
LDS - Agreed, but the Church needs to do a better job of educating members about how gays are also God's children and they need compassion. Many members are very poor "examples of the believes".
@ 7:17 | 9:56 a.m. June 27, 2009
Why do you think your kids will catch the gay?
Imagine | 9:59 a.m. June 27, 2009
Re: Imagine
"Great points made there. I am not here to tell you how to live your life. That is not my responsiblity. I don't know you. However, I will look into my life and see what it is I need to do to draw closer to God, if you will do the same?"
I know these comments were made with good intentions, and I thank you for that. Please, however look at how these comments are perceived by the person receiving them. Although you may not have meant it, there is a big implication on your part that I don't look into my life and see what I need to do to draw closer to God. Because I choose to stay active in the LDS faith I receive and hear these comments on almost a daily basis. No matter how strong you are, no matter how much praying you do, these external attitudes and pressures sure does weigh down the soul. No wonder so many of us leave the church and give up. Please just extend your love to us like you do others who don't share our "problem."
"Great points made there. I am not here to tell you how to live your life. That is not my responsiblity. I don't know you. However, I will look into my life and see what it is I need to do to draw closer to God, if you will do the same?"
I know these comments were made with good intentions, and I thank you for that. Please, however look at how these comments are perceived by the person receiving them. Although you may not have meant it, there is a big implication on your part that I don't look into my life and see what I need to do to draw closer to God. Because I choose to stay active in the LDS faith I receive and hear these comments on almost a daily basis. No matter how strong you are, no matter how much praying you do, these external attitudes and pressures sure does weigh down the soul. No wonder so many of us leave the church and give up. Please just extend your love to us like you do others who don't share our "problem."
LDS4GayMarriage | 10:00 a.m. June 27, 2009
Hetero genius | 7:17 a.m. June 27, 2009
It's time to say good bye to this article and to these postings.....Frank&Scarlet I don't give a ... as long as you don't try to force it down my throat.....and stay away from my kids and my God fearing neighbors.
LDS - Just as my last comment stated...here's a fine example of the believers. A true example of the pure love of Christ.
It's time to say good bye to this article and to these postings.....Frank&Scarlet I don't give a ... as long as you don't try to force it down my throat.....and stay away from my kids and my God fearing neighbors.
LDS - Just as my last comment stated...here's a fine example of the believers. A true example of the pure love of Christ.
to Flood | 10:05 a.m. June 27, 2009
If you had read the bible you would know that the Lord promised he would not
destroy the world again with a flood.
Also, you "worries" about marriage to teens, animals, etc. have been refuted so many times, it is almost too tiresome to re-explain them to you.
Anyone under 18 cannot enter into a contract. A contract is between 2 consenting adults. An animal cannot sign a contract.
And the bible was "interpreted" by men. And by the Church's own Articles of Faith, they only believe in the bible only if it is translated correctly, and they use the King James version because it is the CLOSEST to being translated correctly. So in your own admission you know there are errors in the bible. So, reason would dictate that the bible (who nowhere actually specifically mentions homosexuality) could be translated incorrectly by man to admonish against something that man does not like. Hmm.... sounds like a catch 22 to me.
Also, you "worries" about marriage to teens, animals, etc. have been refuted so many times, it is almost too tiresome to re-explain them to you.
Anyone under 18 cannot enter into a contract. A contract is between 2 consenting adults. An animal cannot sign a contract.
And the bible was "interpreted" by men. And by the Church's own Articles of Faith, they only believe in the bible only if it is translated correctly, and they use the King James version because it is the CLOSEST to being translated correctly. So in your own admission you know there are errors in the bible. So, reason would dictate that the bible (who nowhere actually specifically mentions homosexuality) could be translated incorrectly by man to admonish against something that man does not like. Hmm.... sounds like a catch 22 to me.
To David in New York | 10:08 a.m. June 27, 2009
I agree with you Dave, and that was well put. I do not believe they are asking
to allow actively gay people into congregations and sacred ceremonies.
What we are asking is that the church stays out of the laws of man. All we are asking that they "tolerate one another's right to differing opinions." And allow us to have equal protection of the laws.
What we are asking is that the church stays out of the laws of man. All we are asking that they "tolerate one another's right to differing opinions." And allow us to have equal protection of the laws.
@To Head | 10:31 a.m. June 27, 2009
When Christ appears and tells everyone Gay marriage is ok, then it will be ok.
Until then - not so. How's that for revelation?
wondering | 10:33 a.m. June 27, 2009
I'm just wondering - Does anyone actually seek out their own personal
revelation anymore? Are they just going on their own passions, instead of
finding out what is actually wanted by the Lord? Have the gay people done this
as well as the hetero world in regards to Gay marriage?
This is just a question that I'm confused at.
This is just a question that I'm confused at.
gp | 11:20 a.m. June 27, 2009
How sad is to read all this comments from both side they had lost all
perpective of reality. The Truth is what the Lord JesusChrist had told us is to
Love each other,but we are egoist,selfcenter,lovers of ourselves,but the truth
is Christ is our Head and Christ Head is God our Father, it is time to honour
our Mothers and Fathers that we may do better in our lives and so we can live
long in this earth. We need to be obedient to the commanments of God did you
forgot all this. It will be time when all of us will be standing in the great
Judgement day and had to give account of our deeds on earth. So lets all be
humble and love each other and stop calling names and lets do the right things
in life that will help us understand us better,lets follow JesusChrist he still
is the best answer for our lives.
To LDS Apology at 8:49 | 12:13 p.m. June 27, 2009
No you dont get it, and you are not even trying. Gayness is part of their being,
not a bad habit.
Gays have committed suicide due to church policies and heartlessness, and you want to flippantly compare that to drug use. Have you no compassion and value for human life?
Gays have committed suicide due to church policies and heartlessness, and you want to flippantly compare that to drug use. Have you no compassion and value for human life?
Anonymous | 12:42 p.m. June 27, 2009
>tolerate one another's right to differing opinions
We do. We just don't like activists attempting to create God in their own image.
Do what you want. Just do it away from me.
We do. We just don't like activists attempting to create God in their own image.
Do what you want. Just do it away from me.
Anonymous | 8:42 p.m. June 27, 2009
It is puzzling to me why so many people here have accused the LDS Church of
urging its members to contribute money to pass laws to take away the rights of
gays. What law was passed to take away their rights? The only thing that took
place is that the traditional definition of the meaning of marriage was upheld
and that definition was protected by passing an amendment to Californias
constitution. No laws were changed or passed taking away anyones rights. The
majority just agreed with a definition that has been in place for centuries.
To the gay LDS bloggers here: What is it that you expect the Church to do for you? For the sake of argument, lets suppose that the Church remained neutral in this debate and gay marriage was legalized in every state of the Union. That would not change the Churchs position one iota, despite what the rest of the country or world was doing. There would still be no same sex temple marriages or non-temple marriages for that matter. There is no softening on this principle nor can there be any compromises.
To the gay LDS bloggers here: What is it that you expect the Church to do for you? For the sake of argument, lets suppose that the Church remained neutral in this debate and gay marriage was legalized in every state of the Union. That would not change the Churchs position one iota, despite what the rest of the country or world was doing. There would still be no same sex temple marriages or non-temple marriages for that matter. There is no softening on this principle nor can there be any compromises.
To David in NY | 9:13 p.m. June 27, 2009
David wondered why Gay Mormons dont just choose another religion.
Thats because in Utah Mormonism is more than a religion, it is a culture. In Utah it means your family as well as your church might reject you.
Most Mormons follow church leaders unquestioningly, especially their prophet, and what the prophet says goes.
So being considered wrong by the LDS church is a serious sentence for those raised in this church.
Thats because in Utah Mormonism is more than a religion, it is a culture. In Utah it means your family as well as your church might reject you.
Most Mormons follow church leaders unquestioningly, especially their prophet, and what the prophet says goes.
So being considered wrong by the LDS church is a serious sentence for those raised in this church.
That's right | 11:37 p.m. June 27, 2009
It is hard, but some are doing it. I have left it and it's been worth it
(hard, but worth being who I am instead of what some church wants me to be.)
Choices | 11:52 p.m. June 27, 2009
"That's right | 11:37 p.m. June 27, 2009
It is hard, but some are doing it. I have left it and it's been worth it (hard, but worth being who I am instead of what some church wants me to be.)"
Hey Mr/Miss 11:37 poster: enjoy the view from outside the Celestial Kingdom.
And remember, it was your choice, not mine....
It is hard, but some are doing it. I have left it and it's been worth it (hard, but worth being who I am instead of what some church wants me to be.)"
Hey Mr/Miss 11:37 poster: enjoy the view from outside the Celestial Kingdom.
And remember, it was your choice, not mine....
To Choices | 12:49 p.m. June 28, 2009
The poster above you will be waving at you from the Celestial Kingdom as you
miss it, because of your self-righteous religious pride.
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Personally, where I take offense, is when the Church instructs its members how to vote on secular laws. This is where, to me, the Church is wrong. My beliefs tell me, that people are allowed to believe whatever they want to believe. And as long as these beliefs do not translate into denying other people rights or whatever (people argue semantics over whether marriage is a right or not, but this post is not here to defend or concede that. However part of the Church's standing with the government is to stay out of the government and enjoy its tax breaks etc.
What the Church did violated that, and in my opinion, should lose its tax exempt status. If the Church had said, "This is what is happening, this is the Church position. Make your own choice." That would have been fine. They did not do that.