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LDS Church urged to soften gay stance

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Anonymous | 9:43 a.m. June 23, 2009

Just because the LDS church doesn't condone homosexuality doesn't mean they hate homosexuals. Homosexuality is the cessation of the continuation of life. Among so many others, that violates the first and greatest commandment given to Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the earth.

Choice??? | 9:47 a.m. June 23, 2009

As an LDS member, I'm not so sure that one's "gayness" is a choice. It may be, I don't know. I've never personally struggled with that issue. I know certain scientific reports indicate that it is not, and others call those reports into question, both in findings and in motives.

Regardless, there is no question in my view that immorality is a choice. The question is "Are homosexual acts immoral?" The answer is unequivocally "yes". We know that because:

1. The Bible clearly condemns it.
2. Modern scripture reaffirms the ancient condemnation.
3. Modern prophets have reaffirmed scripture.

We teach our primary children to "Follow the Prophet", but unfortunately, a few of those of us who are adults have forgotten that one simple lesson. The matter of whether or not they were "born that way" is really not the issue.

Dave K. | 9:49 a.m. June 23, 2009

Sexual Relations are to be kept within the bounds of Marriage between a Man and a Wife. I don't care if you are Gay or Straight. Sexual relations of any sorts outside of santified marriage is wrong and a sin against the commandments. PERIOD.

I have an employee 19 with a 5 year old son. I tell her the same thing. Wait, get married and stop suffering from poor decisions. This whole argument is what's wrong with the moral state of this country.

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To the Mormon Scriptorians | 9:52 a.m. June 23, 2009

To those who think that condemning your gay and lesbian neighbors is god's will, I refer you to Alma 31:12-18. Utah Mormons, especially those posting on here ARE the Zoramites.

"The Zoramites...did gather themselves together on one day of the week, which day they did call the day of the Lord...whosoever desired to worship must go forth and stand upon the top thereof, and stretch forth his hands towards heaven, and cry with a loud voice, saying:

Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy... Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren...but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children...
But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee. Amen

Hypocrites, each of you who would claim God endorses your love and condemns the love of others. Shame on you.

Strange | 9:54 a.m. June 23, 2009

What is clear is that the people on this forum have not bothered reading even the first page of the website. If you had you would see that they are calling on people from both sides of this debate to step away from the anger and the constant accusations of hate. I see the word hate a lot on this forum and it always seems to show up from the anti gay marriage people claiming they are somehow victims of the gay community either calling them hateful or being hateful towards them. Its very strange

Bob Sisk | 9:54 a.m. June 23, 2009

The man-woman, man-man, woman-woman relationships are demonstrably different even on a casual basis. On an intimate level the differences are even more pronounced. Regardless of the 'love' expressed by one partner for the other the relationship in any one of the partnerships is not and cannot ever be the same as the relationship in the other two. Let marriage be for the intimate man-woman relationship and let the homosexuals find a different word (or words) for their relationships.

Cyril H. Noble | 9:56 a.m. June 23, 2009

The problem as I see it, is that The Proclamation on Familes. Neglects the Gay part of our families which has been in family life since time began,to deny them part of our church family, has been missed by the church.

Non-LDS Interest | 9:58 a.m. June 23, 2009

Not a member, but I am 100% sure the church is 100% right in their decision to keep fighting this atrocity of human behavior. That's my opion, and I am sticking with it---booyaaa!!!

Soften YOUR stance on being GAY | 10:08 a.m. June 23, 2009

How about these activists soften their stance that being gay is immutable? Or that maybe you can change what or who you want to have sex with? How about that?

da ladno | 10:10 a.m. June 23, 2009

Why aren't there petitions against the Catholic church, the Baptist church, the Methodist church, Orthodox church, etc.????

to bot | 10:14 a.m. June 23, 2009

I'd be very interested to be able to find a reference to that quote you mentioned at 4:12 am.

misguided. | 10:15 a.m. June 23, 2009

I think the gay and lesbian community needs to soften their stance, stop vandalizing the LDS churches, stop mailing death threats to it's leaders and being mature enough to allow others to have a different opinion and belief for example...Cary Prejean.

What this community won't see is that the belief that marriage between a man and a women is seen fundamental to a civilized society by far more people than the LDS church.

Currently the gay and lesbian community can only be considered as a violent, intolerant, hate community. Just ask former Ms. California.

Sisk@9:54 | 10:16 a.m. June 23, 2009

I have an idea let's call a homosexual relationship a Civil Union, that sounds really good.

The church will change | 10:18 a.m. June 23, 2009

It's not a living chruch without change/revelation. Those of you who think that the church will NEVER modify its stance on homosexuality don't know its history. Revelation could very well turn things upsidedown in ways that none of us could anticipate. if the church is true, revelation/change will continue - and who knows in what direction!

In other news ... | 10:19 a.m. June 23, 2009

Group demands LDS church cease their policy of requiring baptism to join their church. The group, NoMoWet, quoted it's President as saying, "We get wet many times a year, whether it be in the shower, the rain or in swimming pools. Why do I have to get wet in their baptismal font just to become a member of their church. Why can't they just respect my agency, and right as a U.S. citizen, to join things I choose".

The group seeks backing from other organizations, such as NoMoDrag, a group of smokers demanding the LDS church cease being the root cause of any/all anti-smoking policies in the entire U.S. NoMoDrag claims discrimination from LDS members who wear perfume and cologne, and feel their decision to smoke only affects them personally, and they should be free to smoke while teaching 4 year old Sunbeam classes in Primary.

Me | 10:32 a.m. June 23, 2009

I'm amazed that everyone keeps harping on the fact that opposition to gay marriage is an LDS Church stance. Are they blind? The majority of Christian churches take the same stand because they believe in the Bible, and the Bible tells us that marriage should be between one man and one woman. Gay and lesbian activity is not appropriate in the eyes of the Lord. It never has been, and it never will be. It completely thwarts God's plan. Of course, if you don't believe in the Bible, then have it your way . . . at least for now.

Semantics | 10:37 a.m. June 23, 2009

The Church is NOT anti-gay. It is pro-traditional marriage. It's not just a glass half full/empty perspective. It's a way of thinking about the issue.

It's also a clever ploy of detractors to make the Church appear AGAINST something (anti-gay), when in fact, they are FOR something (pro-traditional marriage).

Another Father | 10:37 a.m. June 23, 2009

It is surprising how misunderstood the problems of homosexuals are. Homosexuality is NOT genetic, nor inborn. Same-sex attraction is. Homosexuality is the behavior that is manifested by those that have same sex-attraction. Like all other tendencies in mortality, same-sex attraction can be managed. The choice is to behave in a homosexual manner, NOT to be same-sex attracted. I have had to rely mightily on my faith in the atonement to get through tough times since my son came out. I still love him more than ever and will do anything for him; EXCEPT accept/condone his homosexual behavior. But I have quit pushing him away (my initial reaction) and now draw him as close to me as possible. If there is any chance of his overcoming his tendencies, it will be with his family standing by him and loving him for who he is - not how he is behaving. Our Father will not change doctrine to make it easier for us. We must persevere to overcome our tendencies and be Christ-like in spite of them. Good luck to all those families with same-sex attracted sons and daughters, fathers and mothers. God bless your efforts.

@anti-what? | 7:05 | 10:37 a.m. June 23, 2009

Trying to equate your struggles with alcohol to same-sex attraction doesn't work within the framework of LDS teachings. The Church councils its members with same-sex attraction to just be celibate, to not act on those attractions and they can be in "full-fellowship" with the church.

This policy perpetuates a fraud when viewed in light of the teachings of the church. It is taught that whatever spirit inhabits our bodies in this life will rise with us in the resurrection. If an individual struggles with same-sex attraction their whole life and never acts on this attraction that spirit, or feelings and desires, will rise with them when resurrected. In still having these desires they will not be allowed to obtain Celestial glory in that those desires are contrary to what the Church teaches as requirements for this Eternal Progression.

Molly Mormon | 10:39 a.m. June 23, 2009

IF you believe the church is headed by a Prophet of God, why would you not then follow what that Prophet says???? If you don't want to follow the Prophet, then you really don't have a testimony of the church and should find another one.

Yep | 10:42 a.m. June 23, 2009

How about live the standards of the church?

EM | 10:46 a.m. June 23, 2009

The day the LDS church changes their policies on gays/lesbians, and allowing them to marry, is the day you will see a great exodus from the church.

Why be the same? | 10:48 a.m. June 23, 2009

If gays wanted to be "married" (rather than "civil union"), so they aren't looked upon as being different from hetero relationships, then why do they have "pride" parades, and why do they refer to themselves as "gay men", rather than just men? Can you imagine an African American wanting to be called "caucasian"? Why not be recognized for your differences - your unique attributes ... why not be called a Civil Union?

@Soften YOUR stance | 10:08 | 10:49 a.m. June 23, 2009

Maybe you didn't notice, but the Bretheren already softened THEIR stance regarding homosexuality is inborn.

Years ago, BYU's Psychology Department/Clinic-sponsored research studies examining aspects of homosexuality, its origins, and its modifiability. These experiments included electroshock therapy to try to cure homosexuality.

The results of these studies were communicated to Salt Lake and the Brethren, and it is because the results indicated that homosexuality may be inborn and is extremely resistant to the most powerful forms of electro- and chemical- therapies that the Brethren have taken the official stand they have taken. Officially, same-sex attraction is NOT a sin - only homosexual behavior is considered sinful in the Church.

to Sarah 8:17 a.m | 10:54 a.m. June 23, 2009

You: The church has thousands of suicides, trials of wives and children, not to mention the horrors of day to day living for many, many gay Mormons.

Me: Care to provide a reference for the suicides? See earlier response showing suicides are higher for gays regardless of where they live in the world or what religion they profess.

You: I have many gay friends and see the struggles they go through each day as their active LDS family and friends disown them ..How Christlike is that?

Me: To disown them is against the teachings of LDS Church leaders.

You: As members of the church we are not to follow our leaders blindly

Me: You insinuate that those against gay marriage are following our leaders blindly. Quite a few of us also follow the science, and believe that the Church and others who have the same policy, are quite consistent with the science on this subject.

blood on our hands | 10:59 a.m. June 23, 2009

"neighbor's grandson committed suicide when the church rejected him for being gay. The church has blood on its hands."

I'm a mormon. I think sex outside of marriage is a sin. I think that homosexual gratification is an inherently unnatural act. It's an evolutionary dead end and shouldn't be sanctioned by marriage.

That doesn't make me a murderer. It doesn't put blood on my hands.

When a person commits suicide, it's impossible to know, truly and deeply, what they were thinking, even if they write a note. Suicide is an irrational act. There's no explanation.

Addiction | 10:59 a.m. June 23, 2009

Our physical bodies are created with genetic propensities to be addicted to specific things. Some addictive things are more destructive in nature than others. Think about your own personal addictions. God's laws, if followed, help us avoid the chains and destruction of addiction. Let's name a few of the more destructive: pornography, recreational drugs, promiscuity, accumulation of excess debt, physical/verbal/emotional/// abuse, etc. There are good people with the propensity to be addicted to many destructive things. You and I are too of those people. Your propensities are not mine and mine are not yours, but both are known to God. This life is our test to show God we love him more than our addictions (whatever they are). You may have the propensity to be addicted to same-sex attraction. Acting on that propensity will make your addiction strong, as with any addictive thing. Not acting on that propensity could very well be the most difficult thing you do in this life. I often ask myself, "Do I love God more than my addictions?" Lastly, there is a reason the Spirit is called comforter. Do all you can, he will do the rest.

NO on softening | 11:01 a.m. June 23, 2009

Pray to your Father in Heaven about homosexuality for he is the head of the LDS Church. The Lord's word is law, the Prophet can not change it, No petitions, riots, or persecutions.

Just make sure you aren't near anyone else when you do. Maybe there will be a change... of your heart.

To Another Father 10:37 | 11:03 a.m. June 23, 2009

I appreciate your comments. I am in a similar situation.

One correction, however. You state that same-sex attraction is inborn, while homosexuality (the behavior) is not. The best science shows that same-sex attraction is NOT inborn, genetic, or inherited. It is instead a developmental disorder, but is still not a choice.

I know several individuals who have been able to reverse or suppress their same-sex attraction to one degree or another. It is not easy, and those that keep up the good fight are my true heroes.

I echo your other sentiments as stated above:

If there is any chance of his overcoming his tendencies, it will be with his family standing by him and loving him for who he is - not how he is behaving. Good luck to all those families with same-sex attracted sons and daughters, fathers and mothers.

Your obsession | 11:06 a.m. June 23, 2009

I'm neither gay nor LDS (nor anti-LDS, as many of you assume that means). But I was raised in Utah and have subsequently moved away. I sometimes read letters to the editor and these posts online and boy-oh-boy do they reaffirm that I made the right decision to get away from so many people like many of you. How you OBSESS about the topic of gays (look how many posts these articles generate) simply AMAZES me. I find it even more amazing that so many of these comments are blatantly judgmental and self-righteous and yet you don't even realize it! Where is the empathy, the humility, or even just some simple self-awareness?

To Cyril H, | 11:06 a.m. June 23, 2009

The Proclamation on Families "neglects the Gay part of our families...since time began, to deny them...??? Wow, dude! Somehow I don't ever recall God, who started the first family @ Eden, ever mentioning anything about a Gay part of the family. I apparently missed that one. Come to think of it, He must not be a perfect God, that he forgot to tell us the "Gay" part of the family union He created! Oh how His heart must ache seeing all this foolishness going on like this! Yes, God is a loving Father and will always be merciful to them that love and obey Him. If I'm a hypocrite because I don't condone the so called love and lifestyle of homosexuals, then so be it. I have no problem with their choice of lifestyle nor do I care what they call it. JUST DON'T CALL IT A MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT! As far as benefits, perks, rights, you should have them and be entitled to them all. Just call your union something else, PLEASE!

BTW, I doubt very much God endorses all these "unnatural" love affections that are so blatantly condemned in His scriptures.

To-Why be the same? | 10:48 | 11:08 a.m. June 23, 2009

Most gay couples would be completely content with Civil Unions - IF they granted all of the same rights, responsibilities, privileges and protections provided by getting a marriage license at City Hall for $50.

That was the crux of Prop 8 in CA. The CA Supreme Court ruled that Civil Unions do not provide all of the same rights, responsibilities, privileges and protections of marriage and that under the equal protection clause of the CA Constitution, marriage must be open to all.

It should be treated as it is in Europe and many countries around the world - civil contract at City Hall in the morning and if the couple wants it solemnized by the religion of their choice... that ceremony is in the afternoon. Problem solved.

Let's Be Honest About Change | 11:11 a.m. June 23, 2009

I am an active member of the Church. I understand most member's desire to defend the Church. But I always find it interesting how many do it despite the facts. The Church HAS made changes in the past due to pressure both internally and externally. The changes in plural marriage, priesthood blessings for black members, wording in temple ordinances, ideas regarding Lamanite origin or Nephite locations, etc etc. I am not being critical of these changes as frankly most are good and helpful in my opinion. I am simply saying that changes occur in doctrine, practice and policy. I think if today's members could go back and attend an LDS ward in 1880 they would think they were attending a completely different Church.

Does that mean changes regarding homosexuality will also occur? I think the only thing that will provoke that may be legal pressure (which is a long way off if at all) or perhaps irrefutable genetic discoveries (which would only soften the stance). Small change actually has occurred given that today you can actually openly admit you are gay as long as you do not act on it. That was not the case 10 years ago.

Petitions | 11:13 a.m. June 23, 2009

They are a joke.
How do you know the website owners are not just putting down random names, or names of people that they know.

Why should they apologize? | 11:15 a.m. June 23, 2009

They believe that homo-sexuality is wrong. They can stand up to their beliefs.

Are they supposed to apologize because they have different views than you?

moo | 11:18 a.m. June 23, 2009

Hooray for "MK's" remarks!
Homosexuality is a choice...just like being fat!
People have tendencies towards different lifestyles and wants...the worldly! NOT easy to overcome..but can be done! CHOICES....CHOICES....CHOICES!!!!!

Vince | 11:22 a.m. June 23, 2009

K | 5:47 a.m. June 23, 2009

I'm making no comment about "blood on anyone's hands"

But herein I made a major distinction.

I chose to not be a member of the Jehovah Witnesses because of their doctrine. Their

As I gay man, I choose to believe in the LDS Church.

That my orientation/identity does not fit the parameters of what some would call "revelation" --- (sorry - Prop 8 is not revelation, people) and some of you are confused --- with such rhetoric as "people don't know how revelation works."

I know how it doesn't work --- it doesn't work through political legislation.

I, for one, don't believe that a Church that is supposed to reach out to all --- would exclude 2-4% of the population (or whatever the number is).

As to the issue of reconciliation, I think there is some room for meeting in the middle --- but some are obstinate and regard their practices as valid when they only have a .04% success rate.

Someone please tell me the logic in that.

Dennis Gurr | 11:24 a.m. June 23, 2009

Homosexuality is a violation of God's commandments. To institutionalize this sin would be an affront to Jesus Christ. This church has every right to take a stand against wickedness in all its various forms. Homosexuality is just one of the many moral sins that plague our society. I am grateful to belong to a church that does not compromise God's commandments. I recommend that every gay person ask God, in all humilty, if He condones their behavior. If they will ask with a sincere heart, with real faith in the Savior, then they will know the answer for themselves. Unfortunately, I fear, the human heart has grown to cold, to hard, to lustful, and to impenitent, to receive an answer from Him who loved us so much that He died for us. I will continue to pray for all those who willfully violate God's moral laws. May we, as a people, repent and be spared the same fate that befell Sodom and Gomorrah. God bless you.

Vince | 11:29 a.m. June 23, 2009

Semantics | 10:37 a.m. June 23, 2009

I don't see gays' right to marry as immediately endangering the way of traditional marriage.

Do you have evidence to prove to the contrary?

The Church's direct involvement, however, in "defining what marriage is" definitely, stops gays from having marriage.

As to the issue of semantics.

Words change, society change,

Marriage in the 1800's meant that a woman did not have property right. When people make the argument that marriage has a proven track history of tradition it's rhetoric. It's not true.

Marriage in many countries today still constitutes women being 2nd class citizens.

Words in the English lexicon change every year. Have you seen how many words are added to the English lexicon year after year --- words that had a different meaning altogether a generation ago?

let them have their faith | 11:35 a.m. June 23, 2009

I am a firm support of gay rights, including marriage. While I understand that gay people of the LDS faith often have great feelings of rejection from the LDS faith because of their orientation I think that they can only really begin to heal by understanding that the LDS church and its members are not going to accept them back into the LDS faith with open arms. I think that the repeated appeals to the LDS church just further delays their own healing from the pain they feel and that they would be better served working through the grief of the loss and moving towards finding people and faiths that will nurture them. Ii think it is right to call out the LDS church and its members when they make false statements (for example: equating gays to pedophiles) about the gay community but it is also important to respect their right to their religious beliefs.

Born that Way | 11:36 a.m. June 23, 2009

This whole petition is based upon lies and mischaracterization of LDS positions--a fundamental misunderstanding of a social construct that serves society, called marriage.

Regardless of inborn nature, MARRIAGE is a social construct.

No one is born married.

Our society has proven that Marriage is not something most of us are predisposed to do.

The most effective and stable marriages are founded upon moral principles that have a religious origin.

Further a petition to science only condemns the gay agenda further. The obvious biological motive to marriage being the nuture and shelter of children, in which the genetic contributors to the offspring's DNA contribute their energies to see the perpetuation of their children to the next generation.

Speaking purely from biology, that perpetuation cannot succeed if the marriage contract is muddied with sentimental nonsense.

Yet, the gay agenda uses their unsubstantiated genetic tendencies to dismantle marriage by drumming up sentimentality and casting themselves as victims.

There is no genetic or biological rationalization for further degrading marriage with gay-driven implications.

Point being, opposition arguments used are based solely in a "new religion" that places gay feelings above biological reasoning and trumps all other religions.

Sick and Tired | 11:42 a.m. June 23, 2009

I would absolutely love to get some sort of proof of this super sonic "Gay Gene" that has magically become present. NOBODY is BORN gay! Are you serious??? I cannot believe the kind of excuses people can come up with for things that are wrong!

Lame | 11:53 a.m. June 23, 2009

So, do all you "Mormon Haters" think the church just makes up rules and commandments as they go along? "Oh, I don't like the sound of that! Lets make it a sin!" What?! Stop playing the victim and put your "hate-act" cards away. The Church has put it's foot down on the issue and isn't going to waiver. Get over it.

Anonymous | 11:58 a.m. June 23, 2009

Semantics | 10:37 a.m. June 23, 2009
"The Church is NOT anti-gay. It is pro-traditional marriage. It's not just a glass half full/empty perspective. It's a way of thinking about the issue.

It's also a clever ploy of detractors to make the Church appear AGAINST something (anti-gay), when in fact, they are FOR something (pro-traditional marriage).

Prop 8 was NOT pro-traditional marriage. If it had not passed, traditional marriages would not have changed one iota. Now that it has passed, traditional marriage has not changed one iota.

Prop 8 was contructed to keep gays from marrying. When it passed, it affected all gays in CA by limiting who they could marry.

You are telling half truths. You know who half-truths come from, don't you? Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Anti-sin | 12:00 p.m. June 23, 2009

As an active member of the church that struggles with same-sex attraction, I completely agree with 'Anti-what?'. People in the church may be bigoted and even church leaders may not have fully understood homosexuality in the past, by have experienced nothing but love and support form those in the church who have tried to help me with my struggles. Those who think the church should "change its anti-gay policies" put what they think will make them happy above what God knows will make them happy. There is plenty of room for greater understanding of the issue inside and out of the church, but to call the church hateful for expressing distaste for sinful behavior is naive and shows an absence of understanding about the Gospel.

The church is not anti-gay, it is anti-sin!

To Sick and Tired | 12:10 p.m. June 23, 2009

So, did I choose it then? Really? You know this because you remember being offered such a choice?

Vince | 12:17 p.m. June 23, 2009

So if we follow the arguments to their logical conclusions...

1. if being gay is indeed a choice... then the gays would join a program (like the comment about fat people with food) --- join a program like Jenny Craig, and voila, they can be made whole. (Not intended to offend obesity).

Question for you who are set on the issue that being is a choice... how much have you really read about the success rates of gay-to-straight programs? By your comments, you have not read, have not studied, but you are ever so eager to comment on experiences that thousands will tell you... they do not work.

2. The other option is for gays to marry.

Who would wish anyone's marriage to crumble? Have you looked at the studies looking at gay and straight marriages?

So, no, I don't recommend.

3. The third alternative is celibacy.

And never know love like heteros do?

Gays keep picking away | 12:19 p.m. June 23, 2009

at the fruit, hoping it will fall off the tree. this is God's church and minds do not change becuase of pressure from the gay community. I know many gays, there are some in my family circle. That does not mean that I subscribe to letting them set the agenda on marriage in the church. Pretty soon they will be wanting to enter the temples and receive those blessings too....and for what purpose?
the church will hold the line, petition or no petition. Gays need to hold themselves in check, just like those suffering with other impairments. I know a few who follow the Prophet and reject the lifestyle...that takes real courage.

Hopeful | 12:27 p.m. June 23, 2009

My goodness..we do have opinions. I personally believe that your are born different. I also believe we agreed to come to earth to obey the Lords laws. Satan looks for small openings in our lives to put his works to practice. If we turn our backs on what the Lord has taught us we are playing right into Satan's hands, and that is why we must not say yes to sin. I believe that the church loves the person but hates the sin. We all have to deal with problems in life and Homosexuality is one of them. You can choose what ever life style you want but you can not make someone else except it and you shouldn't try. I do not believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only church that teaches against the life style, in fact other churches said that they too disagree. Why do you pick us out? It is ok though, because we have been through years of struggles and we are still here and still strong. May God's love be with you all and my you all feel it, for He is there.

DAJC | 12:32 p.m. June 23, 2009

I'll start out by saying that the LDS Church is NOT perfect (because we who run it are human), but our Father in Heaven and His son, Jesus Christ are...we are trying to become like them. We are all given weaknesses that we can become strong. We all have a story to tell. I have friends that are gay and a father who was an alcoholic. I have addictive tendencies & weaknesses that only I can work on to come in alignment with the gospel. Those are my challenges! I continually seek guidance & strength from Heavenly Father to get through each day, as I am weak and need divine help.

I don't profess to know how hard it is to be gay, but those who are need to find their way without bashing the LDS Church because of its "stand" on gay marriage. If you people who are gay want to live with a partner, please don't call it marriage...call it a union, because marriage has a different meaning and purpose!

"The Family Proclamation" is profound and full of truths! Let's move forward!

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