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Was Duchesne farmer the Sundance Kid?
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Anonymous | 10:56 a.m. March 17, 2009
GTB: "Just like bullies on a playground, you seem to have chased off Zeke,
Horse Creek Cowboy, and Disinterested Observer. You should be proud of
yourselves for not being able to conduct a civil conversation."
Ghosttown Bob | 10:33 a.m. March 17, 2009
TM: "No, the DNA results have not been posted. Three months and counting."
We understand your opinion GTB, (you are close to overcooking your view) don't you know a different song to sing. Instead of answering questions that were directed to Mr. Nickle, why don't you address the questions just asked of you?
Ghosttown Bob | 10:33 a.m. March 17, 2009
TM: "No, the DNA results have not been posted. Three months and counting."
We understand your opinion GTB, (you are close to overcooking your view) don't you know a different song to sing. Instead of answering questions that were directed to Mr. Nickle, why don't you address the questions just asked of you?
Just A Non | 11:30 a.m. March 17, 2009
Our GTB sayeth: "Why spend all of your time trying to tear her down when
you should be trying to build up Jerry's case."
Bringing attention to actual errors, mis-statements, mis-leading information, etc., doesn't qualify as "tearing down" someone. It is simply pointing out things that should never have been written, as she did. Then to compound these issues, it was published. Read what her book says, GTB. I am bringing things to your atention that happened, she wrote them. Period. It might even do you some good to reread your above noted "statement".
As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.
To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?
JAN
Bringing attention to actual errors, mis-statements, mis-leading information, etc., doesn't qualify as "tearing down" someone. It is simply pointing out things that should never have been written, as she did. Then to compound these issues, it was published. Read what her book says, GTB. I am bringing things to your atention that happened, she wrote them. Period. It might even do you some good to reread your above noted "statement".
As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.
To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?
JAN
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TM | 11:34 a.m. March 17, 2009
Thanks for the info. I find this all very interesting. What lives and times
these peopled lived. The thought of completely disappearing into History and
keeping all those stories to one self is amazing to me... If they survived... It
could not be done today. I hope they (Parker, Longabaugh and Place) found peace
and a life back in the U.S.
Ghosttown Bob | 11:35 a.m. March 17, 2009
I will answer you question with your own words, now directed to you: "I
prefer to defend the high ground and bait my advisory into a defenseless
position. . . Youve once again proven some people just can not resist telling
how smart they are and how dumb [the rest of us] are. . . every time you respond
to. . . posts, it tells us more about you and what you really know about
William Henry Long, than you realize." You, Jerry, and the rest have not,
in over 300 posts, provided anything more about William Henry Long that was not
known from reading the two articles by Geoff. You, Anonymous have been rude,
overbearing, duplicitous, and concerned only about proving how much
"research" you have done to the exclusion of others. No, you do not
know it all, but you are a know-it-all.
Anonymous | 12:02 p.m. March 17, 2009
"I will answer you question with your own words, now directed to you:
"I prefer to defend the high ground and bait my advisory into a defenseless
position." PRAY TELL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.
To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?
THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOVE WERE MY LATEST RESPONSE TO YOU. With all due respect GTB, you Sir are not only on the wrong page, you are holding the wrong book and apparently are not even in the same library. Follow your own advice, "get your facts straight before you go to print".
I think you better rest a bit.
JAN
As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.
To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?
THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOVE WERE MY LATEST RESPONSE TO YOU. With all due respect GTB, you Sir are not only on the wrong page, you are holding the wrong book and apparently are not even in the same library. Follow your own advice, "get your facts straight before you go to print".
I think you better rest a bit.
JAN
Ghosttown Bob | 12:35 p.m. March 17, 2009
JAN: I was responding to Anonymous in the 10:56 a.m. post not to Just A Non in
the 11:30 a.m. post. If you are one and the same, my apologies; at least I am
using a handle that is recognizable and not hiding under a pseudonym someone
else is using.
Why all of the shouting? I think you are the one that needs a rest.
As for Mr. Zimmer, At least Mr. Buck admitted that he was not Butch or Sundance. That still doesn't mean that they were not killed in San Vicente, just that Buck dug up the wrong grave.
Why all of the shouting? I think you are the one that needs a rest.
As for Mr. Zimmer, At least Mr. Buck admitted that he was not Butch or Sundance. That still doesn't mean that they were not killed in San Vicente, just that Buck dug up the wrong grave.
Ghosttown Bob | 12:40 p.m. March 17, 2009
TM's question was not directed to anyone in particular. I think you-all are
all embarrassed that the DNA is not forthcoming.
Hey Randell: I am getting a big urge for a burger and fries. Maybe if I drive over to Oakley I'll run into Butch and we can rehash old times.
Hey Randell: I am getting a big urge for a burger and fries. Maybe if I drive over to Oakley I'll run into Butch and we can rehash old times.
JAN | 12:59 p.m. March 17, 2009
"Why all of the shouting?"
Does the truth come thru a little too loud for you GTB? Like it was said, "some just can't handle it".
I think you finally said something that makes sense, after your same old "song" and dance, over and over, I think I need a rest.
JAN
Does the truth come thru a little too loud for you GTB? Like it was said, "some just can't handle it".
I think you finally said something that makes sense, after your same old "song" and dance, over and over, I think I need a rest.
JAN
TM | 1:04 p.m. March 17, 2009
The thing that struck me about Parker, Longabaugh and Place starting over again
in Agentina was the house they built (Looking at photo's I have seen on the
internet)of the rough cabin they built resembles Parker's own home cabin in
Utah. I can understand wanting to keep a low profile and not draw a lot of
attention to themselves...However, with other Europeans in the area, and with
Place and to some degree Parker and Longabaugh, appreciating the finner things
in life I thought they would have wanted to build a much nicer and more
comfortable home to start a new life. If I read correctly they had a large ranch
and heard of cattle as well as horses.
Whatever | 3:55 p.m. March 17, 2009
Ghosttown Bob,
As you stated, Kerry Ross Boren - any credibility that he had disappeared once he murdered his wife.
Credibility: Exactly my point, why would our foremost authority state on his web site, Lula Parker Betenson came up with a completely new version of Butch and Sundance's "deaths," which she had obtained from controversial outlaw researcher, Kerry Ross Boren. On another web site, he says, In her book, Lula related an account of Butch's death, that sounds as if she had simply split the differences among what she had picked up from Baker, Sundance, Jr., Boren, and others: Co-author, Dora Flack stated I assure you that Lula was not influenced by Kerry Boren (whom we both knew) or Harry Longabaugh Jr., or any others.
Our Foremost Authority knew that by claiming Lula Parker Betenson used Kerry Ross Borens account of the death of Butch and Sundance, that it would create a credibility issue for Lulas claim, that Butch had returned. And finally, he implies that Lula suffers from a "corroded memory".
As you stated, Kerry Ross Boren - any credibility that he had disappeared once he murdered his wife.
Credibility: Exactly my point, why would our foremost authority state on his web site, Lula Parker Betenson came up with a completely new version of Butch and Sundance's "deaths," which she had obtained from controversial outlaw researcher, Kerry Ross Boren. On another web site, he says, In her book, Lula related an account of Butch's death, that sounds as if she had simply split the differences among what she had picked up from Baker, Sundance, Jr., Boren, and others: Co-author, Dora Flack stated I assure you that Lula was not influenced by Kerry Boren (whom we both knew) or Harry Longabaugh Jr., or any others.
Our Foremost Authority knew that by claiming Lula Parker Betenson used Kerry Ross Borens account of the death of Butch and Sundance, that it would create a credibility issue for Lulas claim, that Butch had returned. And finally, he implies that Lula suffers from a "corroded memory".
Whatever | 3:57 p.m. March 17, 2009
Continued:
These multiple posts on Boren, on a previous blog, leaves no doubt what Mr. Buck himself thought of Boren, as an historian. Mr. Buck inserted Kerry Ross Boren into the argument against the Betensons for one purpose, to discredit Lula Parker Betenson.
Posted by Daniel Buck |17 Nov 3:17 PM 17 Nov 3:18 PM Nov 3:19 PM 17 Nov 3:20 PM
P.S. My mention of Kerry Ross Boren, the Baron Munchaesen of the outlaw history world, was a lampoonic remark about those attracted to bandit reincarnations, not a recommendation to lap up his writings. His claims to be the heir to the throne of Ireland as well as a descendant of Montezuma speak for themselves He is also related to just about any Old West figure you care to name. And, by the by, he did not simply murder his wife, he beat her to death; days later he called the authorities to say she was having trouble breathing. The coroner determined that at the time of his call she had been dead for a couple days.
These multiple posts on Boren, on a previous blog, leaves no doubt what Mr. Buck himself thought of Boren, as an historian. Mr. Buck inserted Kerry Ross Boren into the argument against the Betensons for one purpose, to discredit Lula Parker Betenson.
Posted by Daniel Buck |17 Nov 3:17 PM 17 Nov 3:18 PM Nov 3:19 PM 17 Nov 3:20 PM
P.S. My mention of Kerry Ross Boren, the Baron Munchaesen of the outlaw history world, was a lampoonic remark about those attracted to bandit reincarnations, not a recommendation to lap up his writings. His claims to be the heir to the throne of Ireland as well as a descendant of Montezuma speak for themselves He is also related to just about any Old West figure you care to name. And, by the by, he did not simply murder his wife, he beat her to death; days later he called the authorities to say she was having trouble breathing. The coroner determined that at the time of his call she had been dead for a couple days.
The Anonymous One | 5:10 p.m. March 17, 2009
Ghosttown Bob,
Anonymous: My last post directed at you was | 5:26 p.m. March 6, 2009.
My goodness, I believe you have tried to insult me Bob, No, you do not know it all, but you are a know-it-all.
I agree, I do not know it all, actually I know very little, what I do know is about 20 times more than you know. Unfortunately, that makes you a know nothing.
Anonymous | 10:56 a.m. March 17, 2009 Youll have to forgive Bob, for he knows nothing.
Anonymous: My last post directed at you was | 5:26 p.m. March 6, 2009.
My goodness, I believe you have tried to insult me Bob, No, you do not know it all, but you are a know-it-all.
I agree, I do not know it all, actually I know very little, what I do know is about 20 times more than you know. Unfortunately, that makes you a know nothing.
Anonymous | 10:56 a.m. March 17, 2009 Youll have to forgive Bob, for he knows nothing.
A C | 5:56 p.m. March 17, 2009
"Our Foremost Authority implies that Lula suffers from a "corroded
memory".
I am told the above statement by Buck was denied (by Buck) a few years ago, in Rock Springs. Wyoming. In fact, it was!
You see, since the "Foremost A", has never (and most likely never will) prove what he "thinks", he now believes that if he states that everyone else is wrong----WOW, then he will be right. Really sad!
He will not stand behind what he says or writes---this has already been shown, (more than) enough of Buck and his disgusting methods.
If anyone, Buck included, wishes to discuss Mrs. Betenson's mind, let it happen. I am glad to know people that were friends of Lula, that were with her at the very end, that will gladly explain this area to "the Foremost Authority". Anytime, anywhere.
I'm sure most of you know, Buck never met Mrs. Betenson. From his viewpoint, probably just as well.
Thank tou, Whatever. Since what you said is true, you better hold on to your hat.
AC
I am told the above statement by Buck was denied (by Buck) a few years ago, in Rock Springs. Wyoming. In fact, it was!
You see, since the "Foremost A", has never (and most likely never will) prove what he "thinks", he now believes that if he states that everyone else is wrong----WOW, then he will be right. Really sad!
He will not stand behind what he says or writes---this has already been shown, (more than) enough of Buck and his disgusting methods.
If anyone, Buck included, wishes to discuss Mrs. Betenson's mind, let it happen. I am glad to know people that were friends of Lula, that were with her at the very end, that will gladly explain this area to "the Foremost Authority". Anytime, anywhere.
I'm sure most of you know, Buck never met Mrs. Betenson. From his viewpoint, probably just as well.
Thank tou, Whatever. Since what you said is true, you better hold on to your hat.
AC
Anonymous | 6:13 p.m. March 17, 2009
Does anyone know if there is any truth to what I have heard, a time or two,
about Buck writing to Dora Flack (Mrs. Betenson's co-author) asking Mrs.
Flack, if she thought Lula was telling the "truth"?
If that did happen, it seems terribly insulting to Mrs. Flack, as well, of course to Mrs. Betenson.
Thank you.
If that did happen, it seems terribly insulting to Mrs. Flack, as well, of course to Mrs. Betenson.
Thank you.
writer11313 | 1:26 p.m. March 18, 2009
Gaylen Robison - Very interesting information you gave about your family. Seems
like that would be enough to keep the naysayers quiet, but in truth, I
don't think anyone wants to truely find Sundance, Butch or Etta. If we
know exactly what happened to them then where would all the fun be? It will be
interesting to me to find out if this turns out to be Sundance.
Anonymous | 2:17 p.m. March 19, 2009
Do truth & facts keep the raven from knocking at my chamber door?
Interested | 2:26 p.m. March 19, 2009
I have heard the same about the letter, mentioned below.
"Does anyone know if there is any truth to what I have heard, a time or two, about Buck writing to Dora Flack (Mrs. Betenson's co-author) asking Mrs. Flack, if she thought Lula was telling the "truth"?"
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"Does anyone know if there is any truth to what I have heard, a time or two, about Buck writing to Dora Flack (Mrs. Betenson's co-author) asking Mrs. Flack, if she thought Lula was telling the "truth"?"
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Randall | 3:39 p.m. March 19, 2009
Where the heck is the DNA report after 3 months?
Pass the fry sauce...
Pass the fry sauce...
Gaylen Robison | 9:18 p.m. March 19, 2009
TM. You are a nice person. I appreciate your comment of March 17th. I don't
know for sure whatever happened to Robert Leroy Parker and Etta Place, but Great
Grandpa Long (Henry Alonzo Longabaugh) did find a life of peace after he came
home to Wayne County, Utah to a loving wife and family. He fathered two special
daughters and taught them well. After that they moved to the Uintah Basin about
1918. Who would ever think of looking for him there? Fact is, some did come
looking for him but nobody would tell. He was thought well of and had respect
and a good reputation at Duchesne for the rest of his life.
TM | 9:24 a.m. March 20, 2009
To all. My interest is just as someone that has an appreciation for history and
the biographies of interesting historical characters. The anticipated DNA
results of Mr. Long, if comes back positive and proves that Longabaugh did in
fact return will open all kinds of new doors! If true it will at least provide a
new path from the generally accepted and cutrrent opinion that Parker and
Longabaugh last ride ended in San Vincente. While the photo that I have seen of
Mr. Long is not dated I do agree that at a first glance there doeas appear a
strong resemblance; however when comparing the Ft Worth photo of Longabaugh the
right ear lobe, which as I understand is a high marker when making comparisons
between photos of individuals appears to be different when reviewing the two
photos. I await the DNA results with great anticipation.
TM | 11:43 a.m. March 20, 2009
Question concerning Buck's Salt Lake Tribune article of 1901? Has anyone
verified that this article or reviewed other than Buck? As I understand the
claim is that Mr. Long was in the States when Longabaugh was suppose to be in
South America? If this has been addressed in the past comments please forgive
the repeat for info.
Jerry Nickle | 2:39 p.m. March 20, 2009
Please go to my web site where you can see the side-by-side photographs Dr.
McCullough used to do the comparison.
I will gladly email to anyone three separate Pinkerton memos showing Butch and Sundance were in the USA in 1901.
Do a search for Jerry Nickle Sundance Kid to find my web site and leave a message
I will gladly email to anyone three separate Pinkerton memos showing Butch and Sundance were in the USA in 1901.
Do a search for Jerry Nickle Sundance Kid to find my web site and leave a message
Ghosttown Bob | 9:50 a.m. March 21, 2009
TM: The reported shooting incident between George Morrell and William Long was
was originally referenced by me, not Buck. He only followed up on my original
post. The incident was reported not only in the Salt Lake Tribune which Buck
mentioned, but also in the Deseret News Oct. 24, 1901 issue and in the Ogden
Standard Examiner Oct 24, 1901 issue. The Ogden paper has additional interesting
details like "Long went as usual on his land to turn the water..."
These articles can be found on Utah's Historical Newspaper project
website.
Good Luck
Good Luck
Ghosttown Bob | 9:52 a.m. March 21, 2009
Randall, don't expect results anytime soon.
Uh. . . Er. . you going to eat all of those fries?
Uh. . . Er. . you going to eat all of those fries?
Anonymous | 2:08 p.m. March 21, 2009
OGDEN STANDERED EXAMINER Oct 24, 1901
Loa, Oct, 21 A shooting scrape occurred at Fremont, about five miles north of loa, this morning between 6 and 7 oclock in which George Morrell was shot in the head by Wm. Long. The wound is not considered as dangerous as the beating he got on the head with a 44-calibre after he was shot. The wounded man will live, but he exhibits an ugly appearance.
The trouble began over water. Morrell sent Long word that he (Morrell) didnt want to see him (Long) on a certain piece land using water. Long went as usual on his land to turn the water, when Morrell appeared and the shooting followed.
Loa, Oct, 21 A shooting scrape occurred at Fremont, about five miles north of loa, this morning between 6 and 7 oclock in which George Morrell was shot in the head by Wm. Long. The wound is not considered as dangerous as the beating he got on the head with a 44-calibre after he was shot. The wounded man will live, but he exhibits an ugly appearance.
The trouble began over water. Morrell sent Long word that he (Morrell) didnt want to see him (Long) on a certain piece land using water. Long went as usual on his land to turn the water, when Morrell appeared and the shooting followed.
Double Eagle | 5:30 p.m. March 21, 2009
Butch and Sundance were known to pistol whip their victims, rather than kill
them. Therefore, you could say that in the Oct 24, 1901 scrape between George
Morrell and Wm. Long, that Long resorted to the tried and proven method, he had
employed as Sundance and pistol whipped George Morrell, rather than kill
him.
????????
????????
Anonymous | 3:42 p.m. March 22, 2009
This "pistol whipping" is interesting. If our boys came up behind
someone to hit then over the head, that seems rather a cowardly thing to do.
If they came at them from the front, what is this person doing while B or S walks up to them and hits them over the head? Doesn't it seem likely. that if you are wearing a gun and a person confronts you with a drawn gun (needs to be drawn to use as a club) wouldn't you run, draw your own gun and shoot, not just stand there to be "pistol whipped". Or maybe the victims had no weapon at all, now we are back to cowardly.
Doesn't seem like a smart thing to do.
Who started this tale?
If they came at them from the front, what is this person doing while B or S walks up to them and hits them over the head? Doesn't it seem likely. that if you are wearing a gun and a person confronts you with a drawn gun (needs to be drawn to use as a club) wouldn't you run, draw your own gun and shoot, not just stand there to be "pistol whipped". Or maybe the victims had no weapon at all, now we are back to cowardly.
Doesn't seem like a smart thing to do.
Who started this tale?
Anonymous | 4:48 p.m. March 22, 2009
Butch and Sundance did not use the Marcus of Queensbury rules when they robbed
their victims
Name | 11:23 a.m. March 24, 2009
Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 17,
at 10:00 PM
Name | 11:43 a.m. March 24, 2009
Correction
Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 26, at 10:00 PM
Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 26, at 10:00 PM
Name | 11:46 a.m. March 24, 2009
Correction #2
Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 24, at 10:00 PM
Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 24, at 10:00 PM
TM | 11:32 a.m. March 25, 2009
Jerry, Do you know the dates of the two photo's you have; Long standing
alone and the other seated with his wife?
Jerry Nickle | 1:30 p.m. March 25, 2009
I do not know the date of the one with Long standing alone. My guess is
1891-1892 in Wyoming or Montana. The one where he is seated with his wife was
taken in 1921 in Loa Utah.
Zeke | 5:12 p.m. March 25, 2009
Out of curiosity, has anyone compared handwriting samples between Longabaugh and
Long? There are a couple of existing letters from Harry Longabaugh (not that I
ever remember seeing them, except in type). It might strengthen or weaken the
case a bit depending on the outcome.
Gaylen Robison | 10:04 p.m. March 25, 2009
Hi Zeke. My mother told me that her grandpa Long was illiterate. He was never
seen writing anything. He didn't even sign his own marriage certificate.
That's a pretty good cover. If he was illiterate, how was it that he had
thousands of dollars in the bank in Duchesne. That money disappeared when the
bank closed due to the Crash of twenty nine. My grandma, his daughter, told me
that. He told family members that he had buried gold coins out at the Robbers
Roost in a fire pit. He would have tried to retrieve it himself but he could not
ride a horse anymore due to his physical condition at the time. The mystery gets
better all the time doesn't it?
Ghosttown Bob | 7:05 a.m. March 26, 2009
Thanks Gaylen, One more proof that Longabaugh and Long are not the same person.
Harry Longabaugh was literate and wrote several letters. William Long was
illiterate and could not even sign his name.
Gaylen Robison | 9:58 a.m. March 26, 2009
Ghosttown Bob. You might have something there. After all, most illiterate men
back in that day had lots of money in the bank and plenty of gold coins buried
out at Robbers Roost. Yup! nothin like bein prepared.
Anonymous | 10:11 a.m. March 26, 2009
"One more proof that Longabaugh and Long are not the same person. Harry
Longabaugh was literate and wrote several letters. William Long was illiterate
and could not even sign his name."
Hey GTB, we are getting sick and tired of all your "pre" knowledge. It is certainly possible that Long is not Sundance. You have pointed that out till I am fed up seeing it. Why don't you further display your talents and tell us the likelihood of Gustov Zimmer not being Butch Cassidy. For crying out loud, play something different.
I will presume you made all the same noise prior to Buck's discovery in So. Am. Don't you get tired of hearing yourself?
Hey GTB, we are getting sick and tired of all your "pre" knowledge. It is certainly possible that Long is not Sundance. You have pointed that out till I am fed up seeing it. Why don't you further display your talents and tell us the likelihood of Gustov Zimmer not being Butch Cassidy. For crying out loud, play something different.
I will presume you made all the same noise prior to Buck's discovery in So. Am. Don't you get tired of hearing yourself?
TM | 11:40 a.m. March 26, 2009
I'm getting way ahead of the game here...but if Long is
Sundance...Geeze..Do we assume that Butch made it back also?. Did they stay
intouch or decide to seperate and go in different directions? Did some event
cause a break in their relationship? Were they able to go straight and give up a
talent that they were very skilled? Are their any unsolved bank robberies in the
area after 1909? What about Ethel/Etta...Did Long search for her? Did she
survive? What a story and what stories to be unearthed if proven true.
Ahhh...part of me wants to believe they got away and never were caught. Go
figure cheering for the outlaws! Well the DNA will tell this tell one way or the
other..But I can't help think what if!
Anonymous | 3:00 p.m. March 26, 2009
Another one of Bobs tall tales. Hes not credible, ignore him.
Ghosttown Bob said, I, for one do not spend all of my spare time on this comment board like some people apparently do. Since I have a life, I don't ever spend more that a half hour a day or so on this.
As Dbuck put it, hes an obscurant, troll, and discussant.
Ghosttown Bob said, I, for one do not spend all of my spare time on this comment board like some people apparently do. Since I have a life, I don't ever spend more that a half hour a day or so on this.
As Dbuck put it, hes an obscurant, troll, and discussant.
Autumn | 3:13 p.m. March 26, 2009
Does anyone know any kind of time frame on these DNA results? I know it says 4-8
weeks, but I've been (eagerly) following this discussion for about a month
now and am excited to see the outcome. Not that I don't enjoy watching you
fine folks bandy words about, of course, I just wondered if there was any update
as to when they will be in.
P.S. Good Luck, Jerry, I can't help but be on your side...it's too exciting not to be.
P.S. Good Luck, Jerry, I can't help but be on your side...it's too exciting not to be.
Gaylen Robison | 10:56 p.m. March 26, 2009
Hi TM. Now that you mention it, there was at least one bank robbery since 1909
that I know about that involved Harry Longabaugh, it was the crash of 1929.
That was when the Duchesne Bank robbed Bill. It is said of him: "He robbed
the bank, then the bank robbed him." That is a saying in the family. Thank
you friend.
TM | 6:42 a.m. March 27, 2009
Dear G.B.
I did think to myself that if Cassidy and Sundance were indeed around during the crash of 29 that they must have thought to themselves "if onle we were younger"! We might well would have heard of them resuming old habits!
I did think to myself that if Cassidy and Sundance were indeed around during the crash of 29 that they must have thought to themselves "if onle we were younger"! We might well would have heard of them resuming old habits!
Fencepost | 8:05 a.m. March 27, 2009
I met and heard JN last night and saw his passion for the issues. He seemed to
me very sincere, and his interest in HL is to find out the truth. Sorry to see
all of you "self-interested" folks trying to discredit him. Are not
we all looking at history here, where none of us really have all of the facts,
and probably never will? The preponderance of evidence I am getting from
"folklore" in Duchesne, Wayne, and Emery Counties is pointing to the
fact that both Sundance and Butch lived long lives in the US after they
supposedly were killed in Bolivia. Why don't we all just wait for the DNA
which will end the bickering. Fascinating to think about the books and movies
forthcoming if JN is right!
TM | 9:06 a.m. March 27, 2009
G.R. Please excuse my rush and typo of G.B. above. Typing to fast.
Ghosttown Bob | 9:49 a.m. March 27, 2009
Fencepost: I also think that Jerry is very sincere and is generally interested
in finding the truth. I also think that he is being "fleeced" by a few
people that are only interested in using him to make themselves rich and famous.
Because of their "encouragement" it has made him blind to some other,
just as interesting, possibilities concerning William Long. William Long's
story is just as interesting without him being the Sundance Kid. I have no doubt
that he was connected in some ways with the "Wild Bunch," and when his
real story comes out, it may make for better reading than if he were Harry
Longabaugh. Please don't put on blinders and ignore other fascinating
possibilities.
TM | 9:52 a.m. March 27, 2009
G.R. and JN.
Did I read correctly that HWL bore two daughters with Luzernia? Did they survive and are any of their children alive that DNA can be compared to Longabaugh's family in PA if their is difficulty with HWL DNA?
Did I read correctly that HWL bore two daughters with Luzernia? Did they survive and are any of their children alive that DNA can be compared to Longabaugh's family in PA if their is difficulty with HWL DNA?
Gaylen Robison | 1:34 p.m. March 27, 2009
TM. Yes, there is my Mother who is in an assisted living home. She is
Viola's daughter (Viola is the first born of Bill Long and Luzernia). There
are others. But do to my respect for my cousins privacy and opinions I
won't go any further with this, but instead leave it up to Jerry Nickle and
his assistants to decide what to do about it. They have spent a fortune and a
lot of time searching for the answers and don't plan on giving up until the
job is finished. As far as I'm concerned, the photo transparencies are more
convincing than a DNA result read to me. Glad you brought it up friend.
AC | 2:56 p.m. March 27, 2009
I must admit what a pleasure it has been of late to read real comments made by
real people. And by those that demonstrate a rather rare quality today, respect
shown for others.
Thank you.
AC
Thank you.
AC
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Yes I do agree with you, Mrs. Ernst's book does contain some mistakes and typos. The typos, her editor at the University of Oklahoma press should of corrected. Any subsequent printing should contain the corrections. Her other so-called errors you-all seem to be adept at pointing out. Why spend all of your time trying to tear her down when you should be trying to build up Jerry's case.