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A C | 3:21 p.m. March 6, 2009

Mr. Ghost

Can you imagine the ink that would have been saved, if you had not provided us with all the Forts, sisters, cousins, any and all kin, that you have used to prejudge Nickle's efforts.

Would you possibly consider, putting forth the same effort, except this time, you can comment on what has actually happened (facts), as opoosed to what may happen. This would be your opinion of what Mr. Buck has proven. No, don't use the easy one of where Gustov is (was) buried.

Thank you.

A C

Jerry Nickle | 3:31 p.m. March 6, 2009

Befofe I make an entry on this blog I type it up on word to make sure everything is speeled right. It looks like a checkerboard; half of the words are underlined in red.

Ghosttown Bob | 3:49 p.m. March 6, 2009

A Non, how nice, hiding behind someone else's pseudonym. At least I post with a screen name of my own so everyone knows who is posting, I have been assuming that Anonymous was one person. My apologies to the informed one.

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Old a non | 3:52 p.m. March 6, 2009

Mr. GTB points out:

"Then the discussion could have continued. Instead it cut off any chance of a good discussion."

Thank you for reminding us of that issue. You of course are speaking of when Mr. Buck "cut off" any chance of a good discussion, with the lady who was a relative of the Parker family. She said something like, "she didn't have to put up with Dan Buck", and she sadly left. I am surprised you bring that up about Mr. Buck. Thank you again. Well done.

Not Ft Lar anon

Ghosttown Bob | 3:55 p.m. March 6, 2009

A C: I thought the issue here was about William Henry Long and any connection or not to Harry Longabaugh. I didn't realize that this was an anti Dan Buck blog.

Jerry Nickle | 4:07 p.m. March 6, 2009

I could care less what you Dan Buck or the critics believe. I am a threat to them. They are going to have to do explaining. They cannot intimidate or bully me. Nothing I write will be published in WOLA or will I be invited to their conventions. This is a closed fraternity and Im not welcome or do I want to join them. I relish the confrontation and like being the outsider and underdog.

Ghosttown Bob | 4:07 p.m. March 6, 2009

A C: Now about the "Forts, sisters, cousins, and any kin," I think it has been one of the many Anonymous' that has kept bringing this up, mainly to dis-prove (I avoid the word discredit here) my assertion that William Henry Long was actually the William Long born ca. 1857-1865 in Fayette Co., PA, - - and to beat me over the head with her copious research. (or is that "pound me into submission" ((aside: I'm just trying to be humorous here)).

Actually, I'm looking forward to moving on to Gooldy, Gillespie and the N Bar N.

A C | 4:30 p.m. March 6, 2009

One is asked a question. The response, "that is a great question, but first let say this". The "question", is never mentioned again.

You should consider politics, GT.

"Anti, Mr. Buck", where do you get that? But if you mean, pointing out actual (facts) things Mr. Buck has done as "anti"--------- must be anti then.

Your response to the lady Buck chased off was what?

It must also make your hear feel good to see all the support you are getting.

A C

A C | 4:46 p.m. March 6, 2009

Actually Mr I, I am starting Joe Torre's new book on the Yankees. Also read Harv Murdock's book about Elza Lay. Interesting. as he uses only real information, nothing was "reportedly" said.

B4 you use up your 30 minutes a day, no politics, supporters or comment on the Parker relative chasing?

By the way, do you ever feel like you are swimming against the current?

A C

Anonymous | 5:26 p.m. March 6, 2009

Ghosttown Bob

Ok, doubtful but possible, you forgot the Ft. for Laramie. You also stated below.
It is possible that William ranged as far North with his brother-in-law as Ft. Assinniboin along the Milk River where the 18th Infantry was stationed. In 1885 after several years along the Northern Montana boarder, having faced the rough Montana winters and hostile Indians, including participating in the Wounded Knee campaign, the 18th Infantry was transferred from Northern Montana to Ft. Leavenworth Kansas. Their route took them through Laramie, Wyo. and Ft. D.A. Russell to the railroad.

Bob, According to historical accounts, the events leading up to its final act, the Wounded Knee Massacre, had been building since the late 1880s. Officially, The Wounded Knee Campaign was from 1890 - 1891. If the 18th Infantry participated in the Wounded Knee Campaign, as you stated, then explain their transfer to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas in 1885. Your William Long joined the 18th Infantry, on Aug 7, 1886, at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. Before the Wounded Knee Campaign?

Great Anon Y Mouse | 7:07 p.m. March 6, 2009

Ghoattown Bob,
There have been numerous comments made, suggesting you give Jerry a chance. If he is wrong, the facts will determine it, not you or Buck. As has been shown, Buck has proven something. What he is, what he knows and what he doesn't know. Why not allow Jerry the same courtesy?
Good advice. Let it pass, lets move on.
Great Anon Y Mouse

Ghosttown Bob | 7:32 p.m. March 6, 2009

Anonymous: I bow before your all powerful wisdom and knowledge. Yes I confused the 18th Infantry's chasing of Sitting Bull around the Canadian Border with the later Wounded Knee Campaign.

Are you happy now? Or do you want to keep trying to pound me over the head?

Jerry Nickle | 7:46 p.m. March 6, 2009

Not time yet

Ghosttown Bob | 7:50 p.m. March 6, 2009

Great Anon Y Mouse: I am giving Jerry a chance to prove his theory. He will press on no matter what I do. But if he is right, he will be better for it. Isn't he better off knowing that there is another explanation out there concerning William Henry Long now rather than waiting until he publishes his results and then gets blind sided with another explanation that contradicts his? If he knows now where the holes are in his theory, it gives him a better chance to fill them.

Now if he is wrong, with his absence of any DNA proof to support his theory, his theory will always remain a theory which may eventually be disproved. I have no axe to grind with Jerry or his project, but if I think he is wrong, I will say he is wrong. Hopefully, once this is all over, the research I have done, and prompted Anonymous to do may yet help the family find their true roots.

Mycroft Holmes | 4:10 p.m. March 7, 2009

Was it Winston, Douglas or Butch who said, "old historians never die, they just..........fade away".

There are things that have been accomplished here, I would observe. Some of these words have even been informative. We have learned a lot about a few people. Now we wait, to learn the final outcome for Mr. Nickle. I know we all wish him well. May he travel without the burden of unwelcome, pre-determined opinions.

And finally, is a big part of the attraction of all this, the fear & joy, that we may never know where the boys went?

I bid you all a most pleasant, good evening.

M. Holmes

J.R. | 4:32 p.m. March 7, 2009

Whatever comes of this we are already winners. I have thoroughly enjoyed all I have read or seen regarding this issue. Most of the "Old West" chacters have grown in stature and been embelished upon after they were gone. It makes a great story true or false and people will still be talking about this and the rest of the gang and their tie ins as long as their are people with an interest in the old west.

Sherlock Holmes | 8:53 p.m. March 7, 2009

If I may briefly add to what my brother, Mycroft shared.

If this bunch of name calling, back stabbing, low lifes can end up as shown in the last two entries, is there not hope for our world. I think so.

Always at your service,

S. Holmes

RJ | 1:38 p.m. March 8, 2009

In keeping with the new and may I say, greatly improved dialogue, that has appeared, I would like to ask a question regarding the Sundance Kid.

Maybe Mrs. Ernst even looks in on this venue, once in a while. The abilities, with a gun, that have been credited to Mr. Longabaugh, where exactly does this come from? Is there documented information proving this, or did it begin in 1969, with the performance of Mr. Redford.

Mrs. Ernst states, "Butch never killed anyone, until the end". (some believe the jury is still out on that final verdict) Is there a record of anyone that Sundance shot? If he never shot or killed anyone either, where did his reputation with a gun come from?

It seems like a fair question.

RJ

Kid | 8:53 p.m. March 8, 2009

J. P. "JACK" RYAN and His NOTORIOUS SALOONS
By December 3,1900, Assistant Superintendent, Murry of the Pinkertons' Denver office had discovered that one "Alonzo" aka Harry Longbaugh was known around Rawlins as "Swede". Furthermore, Swede had come to our Town about six weeks before, with a lot of Gold Coin and "Currency that seemed to be blackened or burned considerably. He knew Ryan and tried to have the Saloon Keeper exchange it for him.
Compiled by Rans Baker June 2002 Carbon County Museum, Rawlins, Wyoming Complete file for J. P. Ryan Available at the Museum

Kid | 9:17 p.m. March 8, 2009

Gooldy: October 1900
Harry Alonzo told one man (David Gillespie) before leaving Slater, about helping rob a bank at Winnemucca, Nevada. The two men Harry and Butch went to Walcott, Colorado, where they boarded the train. They gave two cowboys their equipment and horses - Harry's Winchester was an 1895 Model, 30 caliber. It shot a 30-40 cartridge.

Pinkerton Files: Cassidy at Rawlins October 24, 1900.

Jerry Nickle | 7:51 p.m. March 10, 2009

Alma New Mexico is a five-hour drive from Phoenix. We arrived in Alma 2:00pm Saturday. We went unannounced to the WS. Ranch where we found the present owners at home. The ranch is working cattle and horse ranch and a bed and breakfast during the season. The present owners grandfather purchased the ranch from Wilson and Stevens many years ago. We visited with the owners and they gave us a tour of the ranch. There is a section of the original adobe wall that is protected from the elements with a barn. They are several trees that were planted during the Butch Cassidy era. The cottonwood trees are enormous. They have a bunkhouse that was moved there in the late thirties which they have decorated old west style. There is a Butch Cassidy room and the rest of the rooms are named after old west characters. There are chickens, horses and cattle, which roam free around the yard. We hope to will return there this summer and stay in the bunkhouse.

Jerry Nickle | 8:24 p.m. March 10, 2009

Near Alma New Mexico, some ten miles off the main highway, is Mogollon Ghost Town. Thinking of Ghost Town Bob we had to drive there to see it and give him a report here. It is the best most interesting ghost town I have ever visited. The buildings have been maintained and were all boarded up. There was a general store, a theater, and several other buildings. Because it was off-season the town was vacant of live people but I did see a couple of ghosts. I saw one ghost dash by an upstairs window at the hotel. I momentarily saw another one as it ran around the backside of the old store. Do a search for Mogollon Ghost Town and you will see what I mean when I say it is a premier Ghost Town.

Ghosttown Bob | 12:30 p.m. March 11, 2009

I'm happy you had such a good time. Mogollon is one of the more impressive ghost towns in New Mexico. You did go at the right time, before the tourist season starts. Later in the year it gets relatively crowded. As a ghost town purist I have mixed feelings with towns such as Mogollon that have their buildings maintained and have a "tourist" presence about them. There is nothing like wandering around a true ghost.

Ghosttown Bob | 8:13 a.m. March 12, 2009

Jerry: You didn't happen to run into Jim Lowe, "Red" Weaver or Charlie while you were at Alma or Mogollon did you?

St Nick | 6:08 p.m. March 12, 2009

For some time I have thought that Hiram Beebe was the Sundance Kid. Does anyone have proof that he wasn't? And why haven't we done DNA testing on his body?

I have heard that Butch Cassidy had a daughter named Florence. So did Butch have a daughter named Florence?

I know this is a William Henry Long thread not Butch but it's not that far off topic. Sorry for all the questions. I hope these questions can be answered sincerely. I hope I come across that way. I don't have any know-it-all comments. Thanks.

Anonymous | 7:40 p.m. March 12, 2009

The abilities, with a gun, that have been credited to Mr. Longabaugh, where exactly does this come from? Is there documented information proving this, or did it begin in 1969, with the performance of Mr. Redford?

Mrs. Ernst states, "Butch never killed anyone, until the end". (some believe the jury is still out on that final verdict) Is there a record of anyone that Sundance shot? If he never shot or killed anyone either, where did his reputation with a gun come from?

Does anyone know?

Jerry Nickle | 11:18 p.m. March 12, 2009

In Bolivia Butch and Sundance were asked by Percy Seibert to demonstrate their ability with a handgun. Butch strapped on his six shooters and when ready nodded and they threw two beer bottles high in the air. When the bottles reached the top of the arc Butch would draw and hit both bottles. Sundance could do the same thing and they never missed. Percy Seibert was so impressed he told this story to author James Horan. All of the outlaws spent hours target practicing.

Butch told Seibert they would sometimes use their colt 45 pistols as a club on their victims. The victims would automatically raise their hands to protect themselves ending any resistance.

Anonymous | 6:50 a.m. March 13, 2009

"Sundance could do the same thing and they never missed."

With due respect to Mr. Nickle and Mr. Horan, that is exciting to read. First drawback, as I see it, to this as proof of the boy's shooting abilities: most beer bottles don't carry guns, therefore could probably not shoot back. "Outlaws spent hours target praticing", again, few targets could return fire.

In Donna's new book on Sundance,she describes how the gentlemen, who had supposedly robbed the train near Malta, are in a saloon, when they see a posse coming. First thing they do is, "start throwing cartridges into the magazines of their Winchesters." In other words, these "outlaws/fast gunmen", all had their Winchesters at the ready. They just had to load them first.

Is it possible, George Roy Hill,and others, have slightly over cooked the real abilities of thses shooters? Just wondering.

Ghosttown Bob | 8:32 a.m. March 13, 2009

October 12 1897
My dear mother. . . I came very near going to Deadwood, South Dakota for a few days . . . A young fellow, a friend of mine who worked for Al Reader up till the middle of July left here near the first of August and went up there, and about the first of the month was arrested on the charge of having been in the bank robbery at that place on June 28. He was here at Slater on June 27 and up at Als ranch on the 28th so couldnt possibly have taken part in the robbery. . .

Your aft. Son D. Gillespie

Just A. Reader | 12:13 p.m. March 13, 2009

After reading the following information, is it any wonder why I sometimes question the accuracy and value of some of the "History" books.

I speak of the new book by Donna Ernst, on Sundance, her (husband's) relative, or maybe a relative of Jerry Nickle. Mrs Ernst tells us a lawman was hot on the trail of an outlaw (outlaws) near Cortez, Co, then three weeks later lost the trail at the Mississippi River???? In other words, the trail was lost somewhere between north of Minneapolis, Minnesota and New Orleans.

Does anybody proof read this stuff? She also says a sheriff and Harry headed west from St.Paul to Rapid City, SD. When they neared Duluth,Minnesota, Harry escaped. Take a moment, get your atlas and see where Duluth is, compared to heading west from St Paul. To publish information like this is just plain silly.

JAR

Anonymous | 2:08 p.m. March 13, 2009

Ghosttown Bob,
One of several letters, the rest, I doubt she will ever make them available to the public.

Ghosttown Bob | 10:58 a.m. March 14, 2009

The David Gillespie Papers are housed at the Museum of North West Colorado in Craig Colorado and are available are available to the public.

Anonymous | 11:53 a.m. March 14, 2009

Not all of the Gillespie letters, Bob.

Just A Reader | 7:56 p.m. March 14, 2009

Sorry to belabor a point, but it seems that one who takes the time to write a book, should put some effort into doing it right.

Another example from the new Ernst book on Sundance. She states, In 1882 Harry's oldest brother, sails to California from Maine on the MARY & HELEN. "PROBABLY VIA CAPE HORN". Think about the word "probably".

Would someone please explain, since the Panama Canal didn't open until 32 years later, in 1914, what other route would the MARY & HELEN take?

Pardon me, but this does seem, again a little silly. Does the other information contain this depth of thought?

J A R

Anonymous | 8:59 p.m. March 14, 2009

Since I've noticed a few prior questions regarding the new Sundance book, maybe one who has collected a firearm or two over the years, will be allowed to ask for some help. A friend, who is reading the "Sundance" book just called with a question, I can't answer.

He states, that on Page 112, it says," (Carver) smoked the posse out of sight with a 30 U.S.

What in the world is a "30 U.S.?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

Anonymous | 9:57 p.m. March 14, 2009

With all due respect to Dan Buck, seeing all the questions regarding the Sundance book, I borrowed a copy and can't help but question a word that Mr. Buck uses in his "foreward".

"Assiduously researched", is what Mr. Back says. One of the words the dictionary uses for assiduously is, "careful".

Interesting, is is not?

Randall | 10:25 p.m. March 14, 2009

You Fellars Didn't Follow Up On The Oakley Polar King Reported Sighting.
"IM" And Quit Wasting Our Time Chasing Your Tales.

Zeke | 11:21 p.m. March 14, 2009

"What in the world is a "30 U.S.?""

That would be a .30-40, I believe--the cartridge for the Krag-Jorgensen rifle used by the US military from 1892 to 1904. It used the relatively new smokeless powder. In this case the cartridge was probably fired from a Model 1895 Winchester, frequently chambered for this cartridge. Elsewhere in her book Ernst mentions Sundance giving an 1895 Winchester to an acquaintance. Other outlaws such as the Ketchums and Elzy Lay favored this rifle/chambering according to Jeff Burton's book "Dynamite and Six-shooter."

Anonymous | 8:05 a.m. March 15, 2009

Because of Zeke, I again learned something. Thank you, I guess I do confuse easily. In her first Sundance book, Mrs. Ernst claims Sundance's gun of choice was a single shot Colt. No cal. mentioned. Then in her latest work, she mentions how the Malta train robbers, when the posse was about to get them, grasped their empty Winchesters (so they could throw cartridges in the magazines) no cal. mentioned. Then the comment about Carver's 30 US. The way she describes weapons does seem to vary. Of course giving only the cal. does not describe the make, model, type of any firearm. Not really precise information. It is not what you would call precise either, when it is stated, the trail was lost three weeks later, somewhere between north of Minneapolis and New Orleans. It is interesting how the cal. of Carver's weapon has been handed down for 100 years. It also could have been a 44-40, 30-30 and as you know much better than I, there are many, many more.

Thank you again for your answer. Now maybe you can pinpoint where the trail was lost at the Mississippi River.

Anonymous | 8:14 a.m. March 15, 2009

"In this case the cartridge was probably fired from a Model 1895 Winchester, frequently chambered for this cartridge. Elsewhere in her book Ernst mentions Sundance giving an 1895 Winchester to an acquaintance."

Zeke, I believe you are right. This would then mean, either Sundance and Will Carver used the same rifle or Carver allowed Sundance to give his rifle away.

I suppose that is a possibility.

Anonymous | 8:29 a.m. March 15, 2009

The 1895 Winchester was the first non-detachable box magazine rifle that Winchester produced. It was actually designed by John Browning, chambered for numerous high-power smokeless cartridges of the day. Calibers available in the 1895 Winchester were .30-40 Krag, .38-72 Winchester, .40-72 Winchester, .303 British, .35 Winchester, .405 Government, 7.62 Russian, .30-03, and .30-06. The caliber is stamped either on the barrel, just in front of the receiver (e.g., 30 US), or on top of the receiver front (e.g., 7.62). The 1895 was available in several different configurations (herein called 'Models'). Seven of every nine Winchester 1895 guns that were produced, were Muskets. The gun was produced from 1895 through 1931, and during that 36-year period there were over 426,000 guns sold. Production began again in 1995, with this later production ending with the closing of the Winchester factory in 2006.

Zeke | 4:07 p.m. March 15, 2009

"Thank you again for your answer. Now maybe you can pinpoint where the trail was lost at the Mississippi River."

You're very welcome. As for he Mississippi, I don't know off hand but I think you'd find that information in Charles Siringo's account of the aftermath of the Wilcox robbery in "A Cowboy Detective" which seems to be the source of the statement in question.

"I believe you are right. This would then mean, either Sundance and Will Carver used the same rifle or Carver allowed Sundance to give his rifle away."

Maybe, but I think a more likely explanation is that both, at one time or another, had 1895 Winchesters. It was a very popular rifle at the time, especially with lawmen (at least I've seen a number of contemporaneous photos to this effect)--presumably outlaws saw the value of the weapon as well. In fact, Siringo himself used an 1895 Winchester as I recall.

Horse Creek Cowboy | 4:44 p.m. March 15, 2009

Been away for a week or two. Find nothing seems to have changed. Next time someone is in New Mexico, one should check with the Town of Socorro on whether they still have the 1901 jail logs. If so, it might strenthen the argument relating to 1901. A rifle purportedly previously belong to Sundance is in the Savery Museum near Dixon along with a phone booth which has an interesting history.
Next time one goes to Mogollon, remember not to drive too fast on the curves.

Just A Reader | 5:26 p.m. March 15, 2009

"As for he Mississippi, I don't know off hand but I think you'd find that information in Charles Siringo's account of the aftermath of the Wilcox robbery in "A Cowboy Detective" which seems to be the source of the statement in question."

Thanks Zeke. That may well be the source of the "statement" (I've been told Mr. Siringo was not always right either)and it does not explain the lack of a reasonable location (or thought). "Lost the trail at the Mississippi River", means little more than, "it was somewhere east of California".

If Siringo said, "trail was lost on Mars," you gonna use that? Should some thought be given before we use someone else's words? What if they are incorrect?

My point is, if you really don't know what you are talking about, don't open your mouth and remove all doubt. Worse, don't write about it. It seems the more the "historian's" write, repeat and then rewrite again, the farther we are led astray. I am really not convinced, that just because someone writes it down, it is fact. Don't think so. Do you?

J A R

Jerry Nickle | 6:15 p.m. March 15, 2009

According to William French, manager of the WS ranch, Butch was in Colfax County New Mexico in May 1901 because two men were in Colfax County with the kayaks French had given Butch in May 1900. This is more evidence Butch was not in Argentina in 1901.

Zeke | 8:51 p.m. March 15, 2009

"If Siringo said, "trail was lost on Mars," you gonna use that? Should some thought be given before we use someone else's words? What if they are incorrect?...Don't think so. Do you?"

My intention in posting here was neither to defend nor denigrate Ms. Ernst's new book. It wasn't to argue either (it was to answer a question about a rifle cartridge). That said, outlaw history is, as far as I can tell, the study of ca. 100 year-old rumors--at least for the most part. There's never going to be much certainty and that leads to various theories and interpretations. That, for me, is what makes it so exciting. If you're hoping to find proof and capital T Truth in this subject... well, I'll just have to wish you good luck.
As for wronging folks' ancestors and the intentions or skills of various history writers, I will steer clear of that entire subject as I have nothing to contribute.

Just A Reader | 10:49 p.m. March 15, 2009

Zeke, you should be respected for your honest opinion and thoughts. "Wronging folks' ancestors", not my doing either. Not involved.

"Truth, intentions and skills of history writers", here we may differ. Should there not be standards, a code of ethics, in other words, when a "historian" publishes his/her work, should that work not be a result of the author's best, honest effort of, (to the best of his/her ability), to know what he/she says is factual, verified information. If other's information is used, the same process should also be applied.

If this is not done, please tell me what purpose has been served, by writing what ever you feel like. Whether it really happened that way, is not an issue, according to you. With due respect, Zeke, I think then your "historian" has become a writer of fiction. When words are written that clearly describe unreasonable events. or in some cases, aren't even close, should there not be a limit Sir?
If one does not write what happened, why write it?

If you like sports, Zeke, when you read a final score, do you want it to accurate, or just close?

JAR

Zeke | 11:51 p.m. March 15, 2009

"If you like sports, Zeke, when you read a final score, do you want it to accurate, or just close?"

Yes, I like sports quite a bit. Outlaw history (well, any history I suppose) sure doesn't seem like sports; one doesn't get a clear final score. History seems to be a matter of discourse, debate, a search for clues, etc. It's a continuous process. There is no endpoint at which we can take a tally and point out a winner. I am not here to defend anyone (RE: "your "historian""). But if one were to write a history of the Wild Bunch with all the hearsay and unverifiable stories taken out, it would be a very short, much less interesting, and probably less informative body of work. If this Mississippi River business is such a big deal (who am I to judge?), hopefully the inaccuracy can be rectified by future researchers.
If you think Ms. Ernst's book is such a misrepresentation of history you should consider complaining to the University of Oklahoma Press. I, on the other hand, thought it was a valuable contribution to the topic, flawed though it was in ways.

Zeke | 12:14 a.m. March 16, 2009

Basically, I wonder if this debate might be less contentious if all involved developed a little bit more tolerance for uncertainty. This sort of history leaves us with scenarios that likely, probably, possibly, or just might have occurred; not Truths. This uncertainty has always seemed implicit to me in reading on this topic, from Kelly and Horan up to the present. Outright dishonesty and trying to pass fiction off as fact is a bit of a different matter and can get an author in some trouble, especially with a university press. I don't see any evidence of anything rising to that level.
With sports you get a cut-and-dried final score.
With history (particularly of the 100 years-ago-outlaw sort) you get... well, it's messy.

As we seem to have very different views of how folk history should be accumulated, that's all I'm inclined to say on the subject; I've described my view in more detail than was perhaps needed and that, rather than Ernst or Butch and Sundance, seems to be our point of disagreement.

Horse Creek Cowboy | 5:27 a.m. March 16, 2009

Oops, Mistyped. Need to check the Magdelena jail rather than Socorro.

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