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FLDS seek representation in Texas county

I hope they get recognized in texas. For what they are, keepers of a religious prison. And treated accordingly.

You build a wall around your community, and guard it with guys with guns on 4 wheelers so nobody comes in or out. You provide no education on basic societal living skills like how or when to vote. You break multiple laws and moral principles held by the general society. You don't even teach people how to manage their own money, and use gathered money for the good of everyone equally. And you wonder why you are not feeling well represented and dont' understand where your money is going??? Seriously???

If you choose the action, you have to deal with the consequences!

FLDS are really a messed up group of people. They need some kind of mental counsel.

They purchased to property for a "hunting retreat." Now it houses law breakers.

Another prejudiced person who has never been to the ranch, and probably never met anyone from there. Where's the wall you're talking about. Where are the guns? Do you know what you're talking about? Obviously not.

Re: RUKIDDING

Yes, the state authorities found some hunting rifles and here is the funny part; they left them there when they were done with the raid! Oh, and yeah. . . there is a huge schoolhouse on the Ranch I wonder what it's used for? Maybe the name will give you a hint. If they didn't know how to manage money they wouldn't be able to pay millions and millions to lawyers and still survive and pay $500,000 in property taxes.

The FLDS moved to Eldorado because of the lack of builing codes and in hopes of finding a place where they could conduct their illegal activities without being noticed. They, as usual, lied to the community about what their intentions were when they said they were building a hunting retreat. Instead they housed a federal fugitive and performed arranged marriages of little girls to the religious upper crust. Now Willie is claiming that it's not fair that they should have to contribute tovthose that serve the citizens of the county. Maybe the commissioners should give a break to drug runners in the county as well. Why should they have to fund the people who may eventually arrest them. Perhaps the commissioners should have an open door policy for prostitutes and meth manufacturers as well. I mean, it's only fair. We want to make sure their not under represented as well. Taxation withour representation? The FLDS chose TX in the hopes of not getting caught and they got caught. They've got nothing coming.

I think the FLDS are in desperate need of some good public relations, here are a few suggestions:
Have the girls go college before getting married.
Join the Omish they are also fundamentalist, but with a good rep.
No more pics of 40 year old men making out with 12 year girls (skin crawl)
Sever all ties with those involved with minor marrages.

Willie's fighting a losing battle. Warren Jeffs would tell the people to flip 'em the bird and get out of the state. Why put up with a bunch of red necks like that? Answer them nothing, and move on.

Casting pearls before swine is what it is.

What a bunch of lies on here! You Flds guys can't even tell the truth no matter what!

If Texas is going to give full representation to the FLDS, I urge them at a minimum to insist that they don't kick fathers out of their homes, nor young boys out of their homes either. Texas already ensures they don't force under age women to marry.

If the FLDS refuse to take these steps, I urge Texas to refuse to give the FLDS any more representation on juries etc, unless they swear they are not practicing polygamy.

Now is not the time to knuckle under to these groups unless they agree to reform themself to start acting as decent people or decent citizens.

Re: What Texas should hold out for

I bet if you lived in texas, which you may or may not, and the county or state raised your property taxes, you would be the first to be yelling about it. Its amazing that people will point the finger at people who want to practice polygamy and practice their religion, that have done nothing wrong when it comes to paying their taxes. Why do people think that the FLDS just showed up one day and built their holy church and houses with out permits from the county they live in? A lot of states would be rich, if every state raised the taxes on all the groups or organizations that were hated the most. I think the FLDS are entitled to the same representation that every other American citizen is allowed. Hmm, everyone wants the FLDS men to live up the the American justice book, but tell the FLDS people, sorry you shouldn't be entitled to any representation because of your religion or how you live your life. We are all American citizens, are we not?

I live in Utah, I don't hate FLDS. I hate the way their leaders abuse their people. Society doesn't allow Jehovas Witness parents to deny a blood transfusion or medical care to a child, or allow a moslem to honor kill their daughter. That is their religion, but religion has its allowable limits.

Why should society look the other way when your leaders kick young boys out of their house to fend for themselves, or to kick fathers out of their homes because they offended the "prophet". Or to allow a father to beat his daughter because she doesn't want to marry an older polygamous man?

If I hated you and your people, I wouldn't care about the abuse that was going on.

This is part of the FLDS game..

1. First, dont participate in any civics. Close yourself off. Dont cooperate with anyone from the outside..

2. Now, its time to pay taxes.. and cry cry cry.. and Say no one loves you. No one cares about you.. Nobody understands you.. No one will talk to you..

its the same thing here in st. George..

They alway claim people are so mean to them, but try going out their Cult land town, see how welcome they are or have always have been. They hate outsiders..

These people our fouled up in every sense of the word.
They are homely, dirty, uneducated, dark spirited. people. Just visit the Washington Walmart on any evening, try to have a conversation with a FLDS woman.. It aint happening!
You will see the deer in the headlights look.
I dont want to be mean, but its true.. Its really really sad to raise any child with this sort of isolation.

Anonymous | 8:46 p.m. Jan. 12, 2009
"The FLDS moved to Eldorado because of the lack of builing codes..."

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Have you even seen pictures of what they built? It's quite impressive.

Do you mean the gigantic limestone church? I have nothing against the FLDS so, while the structure is tacky as all-get-out, I'll agree it's also defiinitely impressive looking.

the problem with the FLDS is they impose their religious views onto others. And no - I don't mean us - I mean their children. And impose is the wrong word. Force is a better choice of word.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with the FLDS if they lived amongst us and allowed their children to see other views and cultures. But by isolating the children, they are able to "impose" their religious views and practices in a clean-room environment. Which means the children know of no other way. This removes free will and opportunity, and ensures their practices are viewed as normal by the children as they grow up.

I understand you FLDS firmly believe in seer stones and that God requires men to have multiple wives. Whether we believe it is irrelevant (as it should be). But by isolating your children (although I understand you are trying to "protect them from the evils of the world") you are in fact forcing them into your beliefs and removing their ability to make decisions concerning their lives.

I strongly suggest you choose. Either stop practicing polygamy, or allow your children access to other views, beliefs, and cultures.

Just to spoil some myths, but has there been any evidence out of the whole YFZ Raid fiasco to show that fathers "beat their daughters" if they won't marry an older man?

Nope. Even CPS' official and biased report reports that there was zero evidence of physical abuse. 9 out of 10 underage (17 and younger) girls were not married, so that spoils another myth that they marry them off by 14.

re Joey 10:03am

The fathers don't have to beat their daughters to get them to marry an older man. They have been train and indoctrinated in isolation to do exactly that since the day they were born. Everyone they know and interact with tells them the exact same thing. Marry the man chosen for you and pump out as many children as possible and you will go to heaven.

That's abuse. You might not think so, but it is. Just the isolation is abuse. Throw in the beliefs and practices and you've got severe abuse.

What are the FLDS afraid of? Why do they insist on isolating their followers? They will tell you it is to protect them from the "evils of the world". This is not true. The fact is, they isolate their people because they know that if the people understood the opportunities and choices available in the real world, they would lose followers right and left.

There are polygamists everywhere. Every major city has some. No one cares about them. But when you isolate your people and remove free will, that's when we step in. Get used to it - we're not going away...

The Isolation is not a result of wanting to brainwash followers. Polygamists Isolated themselves in the 1880s when the govt, under their own admision, made the anti-polygamy laws to specifically target the mormon church. Mormons practiced plural marriage in secrecy untill the 1930s, when the church changed its stance and began excomunicating polygamists. Pipe Springs, a monument south of short creek, is where lds, not flds, hid extra wives after the manifesto. The Anti-polygamy laws were unconstitutional back then, and they are unconstitutional today. Laws cannot be made in order to discriminate against religious groups.

Like mormon church under its first three profits, these people will not stop practicing plural marriage just because it is unpopular. The only way to end the abuse is to legalize polygamy. If the marriages were legal, minors would not be involved in them, and the women would be unable to file for wellfare as single mothers, saving us all money. Polygamists could then rejoin society and people would come to realize their choices over time. Too much damage has been doon over the last century plus to ever have a quick fix. Future raids will only drive polygamy farther underground into secrecy.