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Doug Robinson: Champs? Gators claim BCS crown, but Utes earned it on field
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big ga'me | 9:10 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Let the Yewts play Florida's or Oklahoma's schedule and let's see
them finish the season with one loss. I don't think so...they are close to
a .500 team in those conferences. Utah played out of their minds against
Alabama, and Alabama had no motivation whatsoever...no way Utah hangs with those
two teams who played last night. A whole nother class o' football, Yewt
fans. Utah played a couple decent teams this year and had a great
year...national champs? I don't think so.
Utes are National Champs! | 9:15 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Why cant the U of U self label themselves the national champions? Why can't
they put up a sign at their stadium? Why dont they put it in their football
program handed out at games next season?
I loved this article and the ones published nationally by Rick and others. I live in So Cal and graduated from the Y, but I am so fed up with the strangle hold the the BCS has on this great game.
If the SEC and the other BCS conferences are so great, then let the boys play and prove it on the field in a tourney.
Change is comming!!!!!!!
I loved this article and the ones published nationally by Rick and others. I live in So Cal and graduated from the Y, but I am so fed up with the strangle hold the the BCS has on this great game.
If the SEC and the other BCS conferences are so great, then let the boys play and prove it on the field in a tourney.
Change is comming!!!!!!!
Anonymous | 9:18 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
It's all garbage. The BCS club is led by greedy-self-serving slime. I
like to believe that one of them will be man enough to stand up to his own crowd
and say "This is wrong".
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Get over it | 9:22 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Utah is not and should not be number 1. Florida would crush them because
Florida, even though they lost one game, is by far the better team today, which
is all that matters. The national championship isn't for the best team all
season, it's for who is the best at the end of the season, just like in any
sport that has a tournament at the end.
unbiased observer | 9:26 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
There's a reason that the Utes weren't voted number 1. They barely
beat a very sub par Michigan (who also lost AT home to 3-9 powerhouse Toledo),
they needed a questionable pass interference call to barely squeak past Oregon
St. at Rice Ecles (Oregon St. outgained Utah 405 to 337 yards), they needed TCU
to miss a 26 and 35 yard field goal to beat TCU at Rice Ecles (TCU outgained the
Utes 416 to 275 yards, and they only beat unranked Air Force and New Mexico by 7
and 3 points respectively.
Did the Utes deserve to play in a playoff to determine the national champion? Absolutely. Did they deserve the national championship under the current system? No. What about undefeated Auburn in '04? What about one loss Oregon in '01? Once the dust settles, Utahns will realize that the Utes deserved their final ranking under the current, patently biased system.
Did the Utes deserve to play in a playoff to determine the national champion? Absolutely. Did they deserve the national championship under the current system? No. What about undefeated Auburn in '04? What about one loss Oregon in '01? Once the dust settles, Utahns will realize that the Utes deserved their final ranking under the current, patently biased system.
You Gotta Love Urban Meyer | 9:42 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Utah gives the guy his big break. He then feasts on Ron McBride's recruits
for two years and moves on to Florida without so much as a thank you. Then,
after he wins a controversial NC game that by rights should have included his
old Utah team, refuses to even give them a shout out when asked about the
controversy. What a putz.
BYU Fan | 9:50 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Excellent season UTES! You are the national champs in my book.
Anonymous | 9:51 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Robinson, leave it alone. Hatch and Shurtleff only got into it for political
polishing and self serving purposes. And I think that is why you won't let
it go either. Perhaps you could write about something that you haven't
covered for a couple of weeks like Larry Miller.
Utes are good... | 9:52 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
The Utes are good, but are they the National Champs? Who knows? Argue
schedules, how many ranked teams were beaten, whose wins were better, whether or
not a team would have been undefeated in a different conference, it's all
opinion. We need a playoff, until then no one will ever know who the true
National Champion is.
Thanks BCS | 9:58 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I am happy for the Utes. While I don't like the BCS system, I have to
think that in the old system, Utah would never have had a chance to play Alabama
in a bowl game. They might have ended up playing someone from the Big 10, Big
12, WAC, or PAC 10 in the Holiday Bowl. I wished more for the seniors this year
but lookout BCS this is only the beginning. Go MWC!
Booooo and Bsu fans | 10:00 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Quit showing how ignorant you are about sports...Neither of you had your facts
right. Utah beat 2 top 7 teams this year...TCU and Alabama....they beat 4 top 25
teams when you include Oregon State and BYU. They did all they could do under
the system...no weak schedule argument will fly this year...look at
Florida's schedule they have some cupcakes and lost to Old Miss. Bsu got
beat by the MWC's 2nd place team. Osu beat USC and Utah beat them the next
week. Alabama was #1 the entire month of November. Know something before you
type something or keep playing with your crayons
Greatest season?? | 10:02 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
congrats utes on the greatest football season any Utah team has ever had. Your
#2 ranking is the highest ever achieved by a Utah college football team...what?
they did?,,, never mind somebody just told me that BYU was #1 in the country in
1984, so my bad..Congrats Utes on the second greatest football seaon of any Utah
college football team in history.
Anonymous | 10:04 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Right on big game! Robinson is writing for the Utah majority and isn't
thinking logically. It earns points for him.
Anonymous | 10:05 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Yeah Gators!!!!!!!!!
#2 Too High | 10:05 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Beating one top ten team doesn't cut it. Texas and Oklahoma belong ahead
of Utes in the final polls.
AP poll wasn't even close for the number one ranking. Second place ranking was sympathy vote to help break up BCS choke hold on college football. AP voters had every incentive to put Utah 1st as a statement of disdain for BCS system.
Note that those with the right to vote in the polls (more knowledgeable people than the average Ute fan)chose Florida. Get over it, Florida is resounding National Champs.
AP poll wasn't even close for the number one ranking. Second place ranking was sympathy vote to help break up BCS choke hold on college football. AP voters had every incentive to put Utah 1st as a statement of disdain for BCS system.
Note that those with the right to vote in the polls (more knowledgeable people than the average Ute fan)chose Florida. Get over it, Florida is resounding National Champs.
BYU fan | 10:11 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
to: "Utes are National Champs! | 9:15 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Why cant the U of U self label themselves the national champions? Why can't they put up a sign at their stadium? Why dont they put it in their football program handed out at games next season?"
It's a good idea, but it would, in reality, look stupid and immature.
BYU had to string together two good years to put up the NC in '84. Utes need to do that too. That is why it's so funny when Ute Fans say there needs to be an astrisk by '84, because badk then BYU went through the same National Argument crap '83 and '84.
Do it again next year and you will see why BYU actually had to work twice as hard than anyone else for their NC.
Good luck next year. You will see how fun it is to have a target on your back for each game. With 2004 and 2008 Utah is starting to build a national reputation. With BYU, Utah and TCU all in the top 25, this year, next year will be the year of the "perfect storm". One of those teams need to step-it-up.
Why cant the U of U self label themselves the national champions? Why can't they put up a sign at their stadium? Why dont they put it in their football program handed out at games next season?"
It's a good idea, but it would, in reality, look stupid and immature.
BYU had to string together two good years to put up the NC in '84. Utes need to do that too. That is why it's so funny when Ute Fans say there needs to be an astrisk by '84, because badk then BYU went through the same National Argument crap '83 and '84.
Do it again next year and you will see why BYU actually had to work twice as hard than anyone else for their NC.
Good luck next year. You will see how fun it is to have a target on your back for each game. With 2004 and 2008 Utah is starting to build a national reputation. With BYU, Utah and TCU all in the top 25, this year, next year will be the year of the "perfect storm". One of those teams need to step-it-up.
Tuffy Parker | 10:13 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
A few simple observations:
1 - Isn�t it interesting that there are a significant number of Gator fans who feel compelled to post on this article in defense of their ranking?
2 - The BCS reminds me of pseudo-dictators like Hugo Chavez or Presidente de jour in one of the West African nations. They have all the power and all the money. They insist that they are doing what�s best for �the people� but in reality what they are focused on is lining their pockets with more money and accumulating more power. Fairness plays no role no matter how much the BCS buffoons speak of doing �what�s best for college football�. They are doing what�s best for those who are already �in�. It�s a sham and most likely illegal. Can you imagine the uproar if the top companies in the country formed a cartel to enhance their business outlook at the expense of smaller businesses?
3 - A playoff system is way overdue. Shame on the NCAA for allowing this debacle to continue.
1 - Isn�t it interesting that there are a significant number of Gator fans who feel compelled to post on this article in defense of their ranking?
2 - The BCS reminds me of pseudo-dictators like Hugo Chavez or Presidente de jour in one of the West African nations. They have all the power and all the money. They insist that they are doing what�s best for �the people� but in reality what they are focused on is lining their pockets with more money and accumulating more power. Fairness plays no role no matter how much the BCS buffoons speak of doing �what�s best for college football�. They are doing what�s best for those who are already �in�. It�s a sham and most likely illegal. Can you imagine the uproar if the top companies in the country formed a cartel to enhance their business outlook at the expense of smaller businesses?
3 - A playoff system is way overdue. Shame on the NCAA for allowing this debacle to continue.
Wait, Doug. | 10:18 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Did you just seriously compare something as banal--on the grand scale of things
important--like college football, to the social stratification and social
restrictions of the Indian subcontinent?
What's next, Urban Meyer, Kyle Whittingham and Lee Corso rank up there with Mahatma Gandhi, B.R. Ambedkar and Jawaharlal Nehru?
Yes, tough break for the Utes. The BCS, with all its proponents and detractors, is simply about overinflated athletic entertainment, translated into cold, hard cash because of simple economics: supply and demand. Nothing more.
Not a caste system. Not a rally cry for civil rights. Not the sans-culottes of 1780s France. You know, things that matter and are worth your precious "revolution."
Get.Over.It.
What's next, Urban Meyer, Kyle Whittingham and Lee Corso rank up there with Mahatma Gandhi, B.R. Ambedkar and Jawaharlal Nehru?
Yes, tough break for the Utes. The BCS, with all its proponents and detractors, is simply about overinflated athletic entertainment, translated into cold, hard cash because of simple economics: supply and demand. Nothing more.
Not a caste system. Not a rally cry for civil rights. Not the sans-culottes of 1780s France. You know, things that matter and are worth your precious "revolution."
Get.Over.It.
Boise State Fan | 10:21 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I'm not really a Ute fan, but I loved watching them whip up on Alabama,
Saban & Co. Utah is #1 this year as far as I'm concerned. Great job
Utes. You totally dominated Alabama. You were sacking John Parker Wilson so
many times I didn't want the game to end.
The BCS has proven that no non-BCS team can ever hope to play in the national championship...EVER.
Until the system changes anyone who goes undefeated has a legitimate claim to the championship. Especially when they are the only undefeated team.
The BCS has proven that no non-BCS team can ever hope to play in the national championship...EVER.
Until the system changes anyone who goes undefeated has a legitimate claim to the championship. Especially when they are the only undefeated team.
Be a Utah Man | 10:32 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
and accept the fact "U" are #2 not #1. Don't go making up your
own title and trophy...In fact "U" are still #2 in this state and will
always be. Period!
Get Over it already | 10:31 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
There have been lots of undefeated teams that were not rated #1 - even before
the BCS. Look back at Penn State as a prime example. JoPa has had a number of
perfect seasons and only in rcent years have then been rated #1 - after joining
one of the BCS conferences.
If Utah is worried about, join a conference with the big boys and stop whining about it.
It was surprise enough that the U actually beat 'Bama. Be grateful for the day.
If Utah is worried about, join a conference with the big boys and stop whining about it.
It was surprise enough that the U actually beat 'Bama. Be grateful for the day.
Florida would crush? | 10:34 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
To all claiming that Florida would crush, I heard the same thing over and over
before the Sugar Bowl with "Alabama" inserted for "Florida."
But Alabama did not crush the Utes, did they? But I'm sure this time you
are right, of course. No need for them to actually play. We have seen that the
national pundits are always right. They called the Sugar Bowl ... well, hmmm.
I just know they are right about Florida though. No question.
Enjoy winning by votes. What a great way to win a national championship. So storybook. So infallible.
Enjoy winning by votes. What a great way to win a national championship. So storybook. So infallible.
Problem | 10:40 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
The problem is not the Utes it is the system and also the teams they play, here
is a list of the teams, their rankings when they played and the highest ranking
that team received. I only looked at the BCS, USA and AP polls.
ranking
duringhighest
gamegame rankingteam
game 1 USA24 USA24Michigan
game 2 NRNRUNLV
game 3NRNRUtah State
game 4NRAP28Air Force
game 5NRNRWeber State
game 6USA38BCS17Oregon State
game 7NRNRWyoming
game 8NRNRColorado State
game 9NRNRNew Mexico
game 10AP11AP7TCU
game 11 NRNRSan Diego State
game 12 BCS14USA8BYU
game 13BCS4BCS1Alabama
you can see they played 7 teams that could not even get 1 vote (not ranked) in any of the three polls.
we need a true play off system.
ranking
duringhighest
gamegame rankingteam
game 1 USA24 USA24Michigan
game 2 NRNRUNLV
game 3NRNRUtah State
game 4NRAP28Air Force
game 5NRNRWeber State
game 6USA38BCS17Oregon State
game 7NRNRWyoming
game 8NRNRColorado State
game 9NRNRNew Mexico
game 10AP11AP7TCU
game 11 NRNRSan Diego State
game 12 BCS14USA8BYU
game 13BCS4BCS1Alabama
you can see they played 7 teams that could not even get 1 vote (not ranked) in any of the three polls.
we need a true play off system.
It is what it is. | 10:41 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
The Utes are the only undefeated team in the Nation. I think that says
something.
Could they have beat the Gators? I'd say no. Definitely not.
BUT, should they have had the opportunity to try? ABSOLUTELY YES.
The NCAA needs to rid itself of the BCS. But it is a huge money-making juggernaut, do I don't see that happening anytime soon.
By the way, I'm a Sooner fan living in Norman Oklahoma. So don't think I'm jaded in any way. I see it for what it is.
Could they have beat the Gators? I'd say no. Definitely not.
BUT, should they have had the opportunity to try? ABSOLUTELY YES.
The NCAA needs to rid itself of the BCS. But it is a huge money-making juggernaut, do I don't see that happening anytime soon.
By the way, I'm a Sooner fan living in Norman Oklahoma. So don't think I'm jaded in any way. I see it for what it is.
Problem 2 | 10:44 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
(again with out tabs)
ranking
during highest
week game ranking team
game 1 USA24 USA24 Michigan
game 2 NR NR UNLV
game 3NR NR Utah State
game 4 NR AP28 Air Force
game 5 NR NR Weber State
game 6 USA38 BCS17 Oregon State
game 7 NR NR Wyoming
game 8 NR NR Colorado State
game 9 NR NR New Mexico
game 10 AP11 AP7 TCU
game 11 NR NR San Diego State
game 12 BCS14 USA8 BYU
game 13 BCS4 BCS1 Alabama
ranking
during highest
week game ranking team
game 1 USA24 USA24 Michigan
game 2 NR NR UNLV
game 3NR NR Utah State
game 4 NR AP28 Air Force
game 5 NR NR Weber State
game 6 USA38 BCS17 Oregon State
game 7 NR NR Wyoming
game 8 NR NR Colorado State
game 9 NR NR New Mexico
game 10 AP11 AP7 TCU
game 11 NR NR San Diego State
game 12 BCS14 USA8 BYU
game 13 BCS4 BCS1 Alabama
GO ROCKY! | 10:46 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Like any good Rocky movie - did I say good? - Let the champions prove it. Book a
special game to let Utah have the chance to strip the title from Florida. The
schools have got their money already, so they would have nothing to lose but a
helping of pride. A friendly title challenge bout would give both teams
opportunity for even more revenue, and better yet, to prove who the real
champions are. If I were Florida, I would want to prove it to the world. On the
other hand, they won't, because they know they would be royally trounced,
stomped, and humiliated by the underdog. GO ROCKY! Well done Utes!
Herby | 10:55 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
We can say who deserves the championship and who doesn't, but quite
frankly, nobody knows who deserves it! I think the Utes deserve a legitimate
chance to play. The problem is every team/coach is proclaiming their team is
number 1, when we really truly do not know who would be number 1 unless there
was a playoff system in place.
Unbiased Observer--I don't care about yardage or stats or questionable calls--by the way you can't measure questionable calls. These things don't matter, at the end of the day, what matters is the win. The Utes this year became gamers--mentally tough toward the end of the game and each game they were able to win. Statistically, on paper, Alabama should have beat the Utes. I thought the Utes looked better on both sides of the ball than both teams last night.
Unbiased Observer--I don't care about yardage or stats or questionable calls--by the way you can't measure questionable calls. These things don't matter, at the end of the day, what matters is the win. The Utes this year became gamers--mentally tough toward the end of the game and each game they were able to win. Statistically, on paper, Alabama should have beat the Utes. I thought the Utes looked better on both sides of the ball than both teams last night.
MWC problem | 11:06 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
The Utes played 5 teams that where ranked during the season. (I will list the
highest ranking that team had)
Michigan USA#24
Oregon State BCS#17
TCU AP#7
BYU USA#8
Alabama #1
The problem is 7 of the 13 games the teams did not even received one vote in either the AP or USA.
Note: Air Force made it to AP#28
The problem is the MWC.
Michigan USA#24
Oregon State BCS#17
TCU AP#7
BYU USA#8
Alabama #1
The problem is 7 of the 13 games the teams did not even received one vote in either the AP or USA.
Note: Air Force made it to AP#28
The problem is the MWC.
From a Cougar Fan | 11:09 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I did my own analysis of perceived conference strength based on final top 25
ranking (assigning 25 points for a #1 ranking and 1 point for a #25 ranking,
using both the coaches and AP poll) and came up with the following conference
rankings:
1. B12 150 points
2. SEC 142 points
3. P10 96 points
4. MWC 90 points
5. B10 84 points
6. ACC 36 points
7. WAC 28 points
8. Big East 24 points
This is based purely on the final polls, but seems to show that the MWC was better than at least 3 BCS conferences, 4 if you consider their 6-2 record against the P10 this year.
I fully believe Utah was robbed by the BCS system of a fair chance at the title. I don't want to hear arguments about being from a weak conference, especially from Big East, ACC, Big 10 and PAC 10 conferences.
1. B12 150 points
2. SEC 142 points
3. P10 96 points
4. MWC 90 points
5. B10 84 points
6. ACC 36 points
7. WAC 28 points
8. Big East 24 points
This is based purely on the final polls, but seems to show that the MWC was better than at least 3 BCS conferences, 4 if you consider their 6-2 record against the P10 this year.
I fully believe Utah was robbed by the BCS system of a fair chance at the title. I don't want to hear arguments about being from a weak conference, especially from Big East, ACC, Big 10 and PAC 10 conferences.
Paul Justis | 11:15 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
What a bunch of Utah cry-babies. Look at the polls. Go on ESPN.com and see how
the country voted. Utah had a great team but good luck playing in a real
conference you bunch of sissy-boys.
GO GATORS!!! SEE YOU NEXT YEAR AT THE BCS CHAMPIONSHIP FOLKS!!
GO GATORS!!! SEE YOU NEXT YEAR AT THE BCS CHAMPIONSHIP FOLKS!!
Excuse me? | 11:15 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
The utes "earned it on the field"? And what exactly do you think
Florida was doing this whole time?
Look, there have been undefeated teams in past years that have not been awarded the national championship. Quit yer whining and be glad you had a great year whiny yoot fans. Sheesh.
Look, there have been undefeated teams in past years that have not been awarded the national championship. Quit yer whining and be glad you had a great year whiny yoot fans. Sheesh.
Utah is 25 - 0 and. . . | 11:20 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Hey BOOO get a grip man. Maybe Utah should schedule all those non-conference
power house teams that the SEC teams play. You know; Troy, Western Kentucky,
West Carolina, The Citadel, appalachian State and of course Hawaii. You are a
prejudiced hypocrite. All you corn fed bubbas were crying in your hands at the
Sugar Bowl.
The BCS sytem is broken - for two years UTAH is 25 and 0 and they didn't get a chance to play a National title game. Right.
The BCS sytem is broken - for two years UTAH is 25 and 0 and they didn't get a chance to play a National title game. Right.
The sad truth | 11:27 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
We will never know. Utah proved they could win in a playoff system, USC proved
although they lost to Oregon state they should have had the right to play for
the opportunity, fix it its broke.
Start making "We're #2" signs! | 11:32 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I expect to see alot of "we're #2" signs next year at RES. Sorry,
Utah will NEVER win a national title. This is as good as it will ever get.
National Champinships:
BYU- 1
Utah- 0
SCOREBOARD
National Champinships:
BYU- 1
Utah- 0
SCOREBOARD
Maryland Cougar | 11:45 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
It's hard to say as a BYU fan, but Utah got robbed. They deserved the
National Championship even more than BYU did when they won it in 1984. They
beat better teams than the Y did and they beat teams with diverse styles
(Alabama/Oregon State) showing that they are well rounded. Go Utes,
congratulations--national champs in my book.
Appleman | 12:03 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
My argument isn't that the Utes should be #1 (thought I'd love to see
it). I don't think they could take Florida especially considering Urban
Meyer's familiarity with the Utah program. It's about how the system
1) Keeps certain schools at the top in order to keep the money at those schools
and 2) really can't determine a winner. Several coaches all claimed that
their teams were #1.
CP | 12:14 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Sorry but in my book the Gators aren't the TRUE Champs. Their record was
12-1 where as the Utes' were 13-0. So, Gators in reality your just the
champs in the BCS' fanatasies.
sbc | 12:19 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Anyone that says that (BOOOOO included) AP should put Florida #1 better not
complain about BYU taking it in 1984!
Anyone that says Utah wouldn't be perfect if they played in the SEC I can't believe how blind you are. Put a Utah in the PAC 10 and Barry Switzer needs to eat his words. Those recruits that passed on them for a chance to play in the Rose Bowl EVERY Year NO MATTER WHAT. All of the sudden commit to Utah. They would be a regular in BCS playing for a National Championship every few years or so. You think I am wrong? They have been in the BCS twice now when the "big" boys don't even want them there. They even had to rebuild after Urban took a lot of recruits with him to Florida (proves my point above). And that 17.5 million will build some mighty nice facilities to impress any recruit. So my answer, put Utah in the PAC 10 and they will prove to you that they belong.
Anyone that says Utah wouldn't be perfect if they played in the SEC I can't believe how blind you are. Put a Utah in the PAC 10 and Barry Switzer needs to eat his words. Those recruits that passed on them for a chance to play in the Rose Bowl EVERY Year NO MATTER WHAT. All of the sudden commit to Utah. They would be a regular in BCS playing for a National Championship every few years or so. You think I am wrong? They have been in the BCS twice now when the "big" boys don't even want them there. They even had to rebuild after Urban took a lot of recruits with him to Florida (proves my point above). And that 17.5 million will build some mighty nice facilities to impress any recruit. So my answer, put Utah in the PAC 10 and they will prove to you that they belong.
History lesson | 12:32 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
(Wow, not sure why my original comment was not posted. Take 2:)
Doug, your logic is flawed if you are comparing something as inconsequential as college football with the social stratification and restrictions in the Indian subcontinent (caste system).
What next, going to compare Urban Meyer, Kyle Whittingham and John Swofford to Mahatma Gandhi, B.R. Ambedkar and Jawaharlal Nehru?
The BCS, simply put, is: an egomaniacal machine of overinflated athletic egos with one ignominious goal in mind--sate an insatiable hunger of supply and demand directly related to a maligned and boated sports entertainment ethic.
No, Doug, this is NOT a revolution. This is not the 1780s French sans-culottes. This is not the 1960 Committee of 100. This is not 1998's Trident Ploughshares. And it certainly is not 1942 in Le Chambon-sur-Lignon.
This is college football. Nothing more.
Write about something that truly matters if you are going to be so presumptuous as to compare it with Fort Sumter, Bastille or Boston Harbor.
Doug, your logic is flawed if you are comparing something as inconsequential as college football with the social stratification and restrictions in the Indian subcontinent (caste system).
What next, going to compare Urban Meyer, Kyle Whittingham and John Swofford to Mahatma Gandhi, B.R. Ambedkar and Jawaharlal Nehru?
The BCS, simply put, is: an egomaniacal machine of overinflated athletic egos with one ignominious goal in mind--sate an insatiable hunger of supply and demand directly related to a maligned and boated sports entertainment ethic.
No, Doug, this is NOT a revolution. This is not the 1780s French sans-culottes. This is not the 1960 Committee of 100. This is not 1998's Trident Ploughshares. And it certainly is not 1942 in Le Chambon-sur-Lignon.
This is college football. Nothing more.
Write about something that truly matters if you are going to be so presumptuous as to compare it with Fort Sumter, Bastille or Boston Harbor.
Dan Patrick... | 12:37 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Suggested a solution to this mess. Have Obama invite the Gators and the Utes to
the White House and play a game of flag football on the White House lawn.
Hopefully, Utah wins with their defense.
Go Utes
Go Utes
Roger Peirce | 1:17 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
If the Utes played in the SEC, y'all would not be 13-0. Take that to the
bank.
Hey, Mr. History Lesson | 1:23 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Isn't there a NPR program you should be listening to (or some other board
with posters that are in your IQ caliber) rather than attempting to show us dumb
football fans how smart you are? I have a doctorate (from Utah only) and I
don't have the slightest notion what you are talking about.
As for the real issue, I was hoping Utah would get more than 16 AP votes with the civil disobedience factor going for them against the conspiracy that is the BCS. I don't think I would have the confidence to pick the Utes against the Gators and the Trojans, but their ability to hold serve throughout the regular season and then smash the Tide on the big stage in hostile territory means that they are legitimately in the argument for best team in the nation right now.
Big East, ACC and even the Big Ten -- the Utes (on behalf of the Mountain West) have put your yourly claim in BCS in jeopardy. The BCS system right now stinks and you are their achilles heel to bring it down. The other conferences will throw you under the bus before they lose their money.
As for the real issue, I was hoping Utah would get more than 16 AP votes with the civil disobedience factor going for them against the conspiracy that is the BCS. I don't think I would have the confidence to pick the Utes against the Gators and the Trojans, but their ability to hold serve throughout the regular season and then smash the Tide on the big stage in hostile territory means that they are legitimately in the argument for best team in the nation right now.
Big East, ACC and even the Big Ten -- the Utes (on behalf of the Mountain West) have put your yourly claim in BCS in jeopardy. The BCS system right now stinks and you are their achilles heel to bring it down. The other conferences will throw you under the bus before they lose their money.
Cache | 1:40 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Congratulations to Kyle Whittingham and a great UTE team. I don't usually
cheer for the Utes, but I did this year. A great season to place in the history
books! Nice Job!
BCSHater | 1:43 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Nobody can say who is the best team unless they play each other. Texas beat
Oklahoma, Oklahoma gets to play, seems dumb. Florida beat Alabama to get to the
national title game, Utah beats the same Alabama more thoroughly yet it counts
for nothing? Fact is the BCS is all money all the time and controversies like
this are great in the hopes that they can cause some change in the current
system.
Texas Fan | 1:47 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
All you Utah fans stop talking about a national champion. You didnt play 4 or 5
ranked teams because its where you finsh the season that matters everything else
is a guess. You played 2. If you use that arguement Texas beat the then #1, #12,
#9, and lost on the road on the last second of the game to #8. I do not claim
they beat 4 top 10 teams because some are no longer there. You had a great
season but 4 or 5 teams in the country would have gone undefeated with your
schedule. BYU is average at best and no longer in the top 25. TCU is a top 15
team but got rolled by OU and Alamaba is overrated. Yes you had a great game
against Alamaba but it was your one game. That is not enough to say you deserve
the national championship. I dont even believe Texas does either though the
should have been in the title game. If Utah plays in the Pac 10 3 losses. Big
12 3-4 losses. SEC 3 or 4 losses. Sorry but it tough for any college to play
there best week in and week out.
Dumbin' it down for ya | 1:56 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I'm sure there is an NPR program I should be listening to.
Instead, I wanted Mr. Robinson to know that his comparison of college football to a caste system is seriously flawed and incorrect.
Try another comparison. Maybe like the one I heard from Frank DeFord. On NPR. Something about the BCS and Thanksgiving, the grown-ups' table and the kids' table.
For you big brains out there, go ahead and search Google for it.
By the way, you have a doctorate from Utah and don't know the basics about civil disobedience or continental history? That's just really sad.
Instead, I wanted Mr. Robinson to know that his comparison of college football to a caste system is seriously flawed and incorrect.
Try another comparison. Maybe like the one I heard from Frank DeFord. On NPR. Something about the BCS and Thanksgiving, the grown-ups' table and the kids' table.
For you big brains out there, go ahead and search Google for it.
By the way, you have a doctorate from Utah and don't know the basics about civil disobedience or continental history? That's just really sad.
Go Utah | 2:17 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Surely everyone would agree that all football games are decided on the
field, not by talk. Most sports in the NCAA have national tournaments or
playoffs to determine their champions, why not football? I don't know if
Florida or Utah should be the national champion. Maybe Texas and USC have an
equal claim. I can say with totally honesty that I don't know who deserves
it. Why, because they didn't get to play each other, simple as that. Fans
like me and you and the BCS are only making a guess. I would like to see the
national championship decided on the football field rather than by any other
means. Let's play the game to decide who is #1.
Perspective | 2:17 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I believe that the #2 ranking is well deserved and is a compliment to the Utes.
I would like to make a couple of points just for the sake of clarity.
First, the SEC is still superior to the MWC. I have two degrees from the UofU and have attended over the years numerous football games in SLC and Provo. I then taught at a SEC university and attended SEC football games. Based on my experience, week in and week out during the season, there is no question that the SEC is a conference that is far superior than the MWC in all facets of football. What Utah has proved this year in one exceptional game still does not negate this fact.
Second, institute a playoff system and my guess is that the interest of college football during the season will nose-dive just as it has for college basketball. Love or hate the polls, it does bolster ratings.
First, the SEC is still superior to the MWC. I have two degrees from the UofU and have attended over the years numerous football games in SLC and Provo. I then taught at a SEC university and attended SEC football games. Based on my experience, week in and week out during the season, there is no question that the SEC is a conference that is far superior than the MWC in all facets of football. What Utah has proved this year in one exceptional game still does not negate this fact.
Second, institute a playoff system and my guess is that the interest of college football during the season will nose-dive just as it has for college basketball. Love or hate the polls, it does bolster ratings.
RE: to get over it | 2:22 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Did you not watch the Sugar Bowl? You talk all big about Florida being the best
at the end of the season...Scoreboard!!! Yeah Florida looked great the 2nd half
of their BCS game but Utah straight handled the SEC powerhouse all 4 quarters.
Please move to UV and eliminate your contact with the outside world.
texas man reply | 2:34 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
check your fact's,
the following teams had the following ranking at one point during during the season that Utah played and won!
Michigan USA#24
Oregon State BCS#17
TCU AP#7
BYU USA#8
Alabama #1
the following teams had the following ranking at one point during during the season that Utah played and won!
Michigan USA#24
Oregon State BCS#17
TCU AP#7
BYU USA#8
Alabama #1
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