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The global climate does not cool in the fall. It's summer now in the Southern Hemisphere.
Sigh...
BUT OF COURSE! Global warming couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with skyrocketing energy consumption, greenhouse gas emissions or deforestation! It's all perfectly NATURAL, therefore it's the way the LORD wants it to be, therefore WHY WORRY?
It amazes me how quick people are to absolve the human species of ANY responsibility for the environment. Future generations will curse us for our inaction.
The "Pleasantville" mentality of doing nothing (Let God take care of it) is destroying the earth.
#1 Cleaning up the environment is good. Kinda like how bringing Democracy to Iraq is "good" right? That's what right wingers keep tellin me!
#2 Developing new technology helps us in the future.
#3 Going Green can and will create new jobs.
#4 Finding alternative energies will help break us from oil. We can then lead the world in this aspect instead of being a slave to it.
I guess if you want to continue to be left in the past, you may Russel. It's your choice.
The point is that just because it generally accepted does not mean its "true". There are many other examples of this kind of thought. Science is usually wrong before it gets it right. As a scientist, I respect the scientific method but am cautious of science that is politically or financially motivated.
Science is often corrupted by greed. Use your own mind and think critically. Don't believe the press, they do not understand the science behind the concepts. The press is a useful idiot.
The data are overwhelming and growing rapidly... global temperatures are rising, and rising far faster than any previous period of global climate change. What could cause it? The Sun? No, that's been thoroughly researched. Solar forcings could account for at best 1/4 of what Earth is experiencing. Volcanic outgassing? Nope. Cosmic Rays? Nope. The culprit is human production of CO2, especially in the last century.
THAT'S THE SCIENCE. If you doubt me, try looking at the actual scientific journals publishing peer-reviewed research by climate science professionals.
What boggles my mind is that someone could believe that thousands of the world's best researchers are involved in some kind of conspiracy to fool us into... what? Becoming more aware of our impact on our planet?
I'm NOT saying we should do nothing to protect the environment. We should do EVERYTHING we can to protect the environment. It's part of our responsibility as human-beings and part of nature. But if you think you can change nature or control it (by protesting or making a movie) you are just buying a bag of political dogma.
Think about it...
-Ever tried to stop a forest fire. All man's efforts and technology combined usually have nearly zero affect on it until nature cooperates. Then with a switch in the weather, wind direction, humidity, rain storm or snow, and instead of us men strugling to control a 50 foot section of the fire the entire fire is extinguished in minutes (by nature, not man).
-Ever tried to stop or change the direction of a Hurricane? Many men have tried and failed. Nature can do it without even trying. It's just as simple and natural as breathing for nature to control and change these massive events. Yet some insist we can do it and keep trying. But-in-the-end...we-don't-control-nature...Nature-controls-us.
Please please please show me where "The Lord" said he plans climate.
I'm really curious.
What I find so sadly funny is that republican after republican fails to understand the difference between climate and weather.
And as far as leading the world into an age of oil independance, I doubt we'll be the ones to do that. I've been to third world countries that have had alternative fuel vehicles for around a decade now. We're one of the few still struggling with it.
It very well may be. Thanks for showing your lack of understanding on the subject.
Have you ever wondered where that brownish-orange air you are breathing comes from? Can this be "trumped, controlled, or changed?
Smokers still smoke even though it is killing them, humanity continues to pollute even though it is killing the earth.
Check your science. Global temperatures have been falling since 1998. 2008 was one of the coolest years on record. China just had its coldest year in 100 years. Snow fell in Baghdad for the first time in all of recorded history. North America has more snow cover this year than in 50 years. The Antarctic has record levels of sea ice. The Arctic ice pack is back to what it was 30 years ago.
Did your computer models predict that?
There is more to earth than Utah.
Otherwise intelligent like Nobel Prize winning scientist Dr. Daniel Kammen? Yup, he must be very naive about such things having won the Nobel Prize and all. Maybe you can set him straight Russell.
Gore must have put together one heck of a slide show!!!!!!
More and more scientist have started to come forward to speak out against the obsurdity of the global warming proponents viewpoint. I just hope we all come to our senses before the global warming crowd ruins the world's economy while possibly killing millions with the scare tactics.
Having said that, while it is true that something extreme (like nuclear weapons) will affect world climates, the evidence is far less convincing that people are the main (much less, ONLY) cause of global warming. The argument is even LESS convincing that, if we are causing it, there is anything we can do to stop it � short of eliminating all energy use in the world. Gore might as well be complaining that people breathe.
However, it is still common sense to do everything in our power to improve our environment. Even if we cannot affect global warming, we can still make the air easier to breath. We can extend availability of natural resources for our descendants. We can cut energy costs. The list goes on.
Follow the link "Click here to see this peer reviewed research paper."
Read the whole thing.
If you don't have time for anything else, check out Figure 1.
I said man can't CONTROL nature (Climate, Wind, Hurricanes, Tornados, Earth Quakes, Floods, etc) NOT that man has no impact on the planet!
I didn't say we can't play a roll (pollution,etc). Of course man can pollute. Everything that exists on earth causes some pollution (man included). But to leap from "Man can pollute" too... "Man can control nature" (Climate, etc) is a pretty big leap and in my opinion ARROGANT. Of course we have an impact on nature, we are part of nature, but that doesn't mean we control it.
I also said we all need to do EVERYTHING we can to minimise our impact on the planet (including pollution)... but to think we can control nature and change the climate at will is obsurd.
It's likely the climate will continue to warm/cool as it has forever even if we do everything the enviro-nazis demanded.
If the wind is going to blow, it's going to blow whether we like it or not. If the climate is going to warm, it's going to warm. If the earth shakes, it's going to shake, like it or not.
Nature-doesn't-bow-to-man's-will-or-political-pressure.
Too many cars.
Too many fossil fuels.
Too much greenhouse effect
(and yeah, I know, I know, "no such thing as a greenhouse effect, that's something liberals made up."
Such [bleeping] political nonsense!
Do yourself a favor and turn that Limbaugh off.
but it still doesn't make anything in your rants true.
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I'm not sure where this particular argument comes from, but it's the easiest one to disprove.
What would happen to the earth if the US set off every nuclear weapon it had?
Nuclear winter. That is not arrogance, that is reality.
Human beings have a lot of power. Unfortunately, they often lack intelligence and wisdom, and they misuse the power they are given.