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Polygamous leaders arrested

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RoyBoy | 12:50 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Let's hope the Canadian Mounties handle this better than the Texas Rangers did. It's a good omen that they have not started with the children. If the men are away the children are safe.

Amy | 1:01 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

I would like to say Thanks to Deseret News Ben Winslow for staying on top of this topic!!! Seems the this newspaper is the only one in Utah which reports immediately!!!
As far as these two men being arrested,, GOOD!!!!
Polygamy is against the law in Canada! Its time this kind of degrading lifestyle be stopped!

Swinger Dude | 1:02 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

So Winston,

Swingers are allowed, but you cant chase little girls, is that your issue?

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

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Sure | 1:20 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

They would know about polygamy Amy, they are the church-run paper ;)

Wake up call | 1:19 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Thanks Ben for the quick report!

This news should serve as the (25th) wake up call for fundies that their world aint what it used to be, times they are a changing.

Welcome to the 21st Century!

Anonymous | 1:38 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

THIS IS A CANADA PRESENT/GIFT FOR THE INAUGURATION OF U.S. PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA.

D | 1:40 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

VIDEO OR ARTICLE OR DOCUMENTARY QUOTE: Polygamy is becoming more accepted ......by the main stream "...Let's Bring this ship back..." said the "college-age-girls" or TV Talk show hostesses.

Source Available at: ON INTERNET NEWS AND ARCHIVES

YAHOO! | 1:40 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

What wonderful news! This makes my day!

Beverly, St George

Ms Banking on Hell...... | 1:56 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Once this case heads to the courts and is found to be in contravention to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms--the same charter that has legalized same sex unions and other forms of cohabitation--will you still be praising the Mounties? Nah. You will be cursing them and accusing them of being conspirators in depriving women and children their equal rights.

Laurie, you are a unidimensional, sick, demented, bigoted puppy. Find a new cause to support--go hug some trees. Go shake some of that LeBaron dust off and see if you can stop judging the world based upon your cult-reflex driven abuses instead. Not all polygamists went through the hell you did, and unlike you, MOST of them are NORMAL people.

UH OH Bama | 1:58 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Not saying anything about Gaza, not saying anything about YFZ, betcha he doesnt say anything about this either.

But its gonna end up being an issue for him. Cant be on that honeymoon forever!

D | 2:00 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

ARTICLE:

Quickies!: Thereï¿½s A Thin Line Between Warren Jeffs & Hugh Hefner

Source Available at: ON INTERNET NEWS

sith | 2:01 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

okay, they are arrested. really going to fix up your life now isn't it.

IMPROVED_VERSION | 2:07 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

DEBATER OR DEBUNKER | 1:48 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

LIST OF ABSURDITIES | 1:27 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

BE AWARE OF ABSURD FALLACIES AHEAD: ..."The Utah-based pro-polygamy group Principle Voices... to supporters, Principle Voices director Mary Batchelor said it was "to test the Canadian laws against polygamy."

TEMPTING OR TESTING THE [ULTRA-SECULAR] GOVERMENT WITH [NON-SECULAR] FALLACIES AS DEFENSE OF POLYGAMY?

SOYOUWANNA BE A HUMAN GUINEA PIG FOR POLYGAMY?

(TO TEST THE LAW?)

ANALOGY (PARALLEL-STRUCTURE LOGIC) AS PROOF OF ABSURDITY AND CONCLUSION:

TEMPTING THE LAW, ULTRA-SECULAR GOVERMENTS WITH "NON-SECULAR DEFENSE OF POLYGAMY."

VERSUS

TEMPTING LAWS OF NATURE OR AUTHORITY

VERSUS

TEMPTING GOD THE ALMIGHTY OR (AUTHORITY) WITH THREE MAJOR TEMPTATIONS: (JUMP FROM PINNACLE, TRANSFORM ROCKS TO BREAD, WORSHIP SATAN IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ALL OF WEALTH AND POWER OF THE WORLD? )

Shame on You! | 2:11 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

I wonder how many people making the claim that polygamy is evil and unnatural are the same people who did not support Prop 8.

Setting aside marrying under the age and arranged marriages, there is much strong science supporting people having a polygamous nature than a homosexual nature. It's kind of proven unfortunately with all the extra marital affairs happening.

So I hope all those out there who did not support Prop 8, picket for, defend, and stand up for to the rights of the FLDS church and all people in general to be married to more than one husband or one wife.

James | 2:22 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Polygamy is not that bad if you think about it.

Mary | 2:24 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Polygamy is evil, and you polygamist men on this blog need to get a life and stop thinking all women were made just for your purpose to abuse. Your minds are all twisted and warped, and probably beyond repair. You men need serious help! It's disgusting that you think U can use God for your SICK abuse of women...SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! Your place is with the devil. I believe it is Satan that you try to confuse with a loving God.

re: IMPROVED_VERSION | 2:27 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

What the heck are you trying to say? I'm sure it makes sense to you, but it's incomprehensible to any of us!

Mary, Mary Quite Contrary | 2:31 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Now breathe deeply there Mary; your venting is complete; take a handful of antidepressants and go back to your normal life watching the soaps.

SLMG | 2:30 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSS STICK TO THE SUBJECT OF THE ARTICLE.

Polygamous men being arrested in Canada has absolutly nothing to do with Barack Obama being sworn in as President of United States nor does it have anything to do with Prop 8.

There are some really silly comments on here some of the time, thank goodness for freedom of speech but at least stay on the subject.

Polygamy right or wrong let the Canadian Courts decide, we need not be so judgemental. I do not support Polygamy but I do support the law of the land regardless of the country.

Day of Awakening | 2:33 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

If the governments allow poloygamy only the religous righteous would actually do it as it is an institution of creating Lots of babies. This would very quickly enlarge the poplulation to be overwhelmingly a God fearing moral and free society. In 4 or 5 generations they could take back thier freedoms and deter the New World Order;)

Ronnie Bray | 2:34 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

RE: --- Shame on You! | 2:11 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

There is also "strong science" supporting people having murderous natures, thieving natures, lying natures, mugging natures and other sociopathic impulses.

So, keeping your reasoning methodology in mind, if people are disposed to do all these things, are you striving diligently to remove the stigma of 'Illegal'and 'Immoral' from these activities, at least in your own neighbourhood?

What religion is that?

cantslodown610 | 2:31 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Mary,
As wonderfully well versed as your comments are, They have no place in the debate. Prosecute people for hurting children and forcing them to be married at a younger age than they want to be. But you cannot prosecute people who by their own choice choose to be polygamists. It takes both women and men to have this kind of relationship, and more women than men. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that everyone must feel the same way. Your view is not the only one. Some people don't like meat. And some want it everyday. Some peolpe want children and some don't. I won't use God, but I will use what is just and that is the freedom to choose to be whoever I want to be. And if I had a bunch of wives then they cose to be there too.

Happy news | 2:32 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Polygamist men are about the homeliest looking men that god in heaven has ever created. A woman would have to be very desperate to want to shack up with one of them lowlifes. I say sack up, because they are not legal marriages in any way shape or form. The polygamist men are good about brainwashing innocent women into shacking up with them-- and using god to do it! Because polygamist men do not know how to have a normal relationship with one woman. Their just swine on a vine.

LA | 2:34 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Let's hope this is really about sexual abuse of children not, as stated in the article, about polygamy. Those are two different issues.

Maybe polygamy should not be condoned but neither should other abhorrent "life style" choices. It only seems to matter exactly whose ox is getting gored.

Same sex marriage, multiple partner swapping, serial adultery, divorce and/or remarriage on a whim, sex with interns, casual no commitment sex only relationships, abortion on demand, condoms and pills to early teens, sex education for 5th graders,
all okay? Polygamy, not okay?

Absent other types of abuse what is so different about polygamy? It's a "lifestyle" choice too.

Don't read the above and assume it's from a pro-polygamy writer. It's not - NO WAY.

But, is it a moral society that makes value judgements based on personal preference or which group best manipulates public opinion?

Pauline | 2:44 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Oh, sweet, The polygamist men can't take a little mud in the face like they put in the face of women. I knew a polygamist once who tried to steal a lawfully married wife form her husband. Of course god blessed them and she saw the light. The polygamist men are true animal like GLUTENS!

Roberta | 2:50 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

I simply hate polygamist men. Polygamist love animals the same way they love women. I apreciate men who are normal and don't lust the way polygamist men do. Thanks, deseret news, for letting everyone speak openly and honestly about this very disgusting practice of abuse.

Tim | 2:55 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Polygamy is nothing but adultery.

To Sure | 3:02 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Feel welcome to use these forums as a way to vent your personal frustrations.

More substantively, this announcement is curious because the offense of polygamy is difficult to prosecute, let alone prove, unless the multiple wives have legal marriage certificates, which one assumes they do not. Moreover, since the Canadian laws are even less restrictive on this matter than the USA laws, this could blow up in the face of the prosecutor if the polyg's choose to take this up the line to their supreme court.

I'm thinking the prosecutor is using the polygamy prosecution as a way to harass the polyg's and to investigate their practices so he can go after them for any abuse he can allege, such as forced "marriages" to child brides.

D | 3:03 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

DOCUMENTARY VIDEO:

Polygamy and The Girls Next Door

Source: Internet News

Just action finally | 3:11 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

It is so good to know that children are that much closer to being freed from being told they must obey older men or be punished by God. This state crime organization has crossed international lines and is involved in the trafficking of young people across borders. Freedom of choice is without merit when children are isolated and trained to obey or be threatened with loss of family and that the surrounding people are evil. The basis of this is inequality abuse and gaining access to young women - the world community has been outraged to hear of its existence. Our state should be tried for complicity in funding these crimes and overlooking decades of victims behind walls. Texas has indicted numerous men in the community there - how many more over the years in the source communities have these same crimes occurred for years and years?
Unheard of that this has been ignored, as it involves illegal crimes by the very design of this crime ring. Polygamy is a crime, along with the methods employed to bring it about and support it.

a huh huh | 3:11 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

To CANTSLOWDOWN
You are probably one of those polygamist abusers who can't slow down from herding your farm animals around. I feel extremely sorry for sick people like you. I'm certain though that you would be good for my compost pile.

Dumb FLDS | 3:15 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

If they were Muslim they could have gotten away with it.

As the columnist Mark Steyn once wrote about Canada's distaste for polygamy, if it's stump-toothed white guys marrying teenage girls, then it's icky.

If it's Somali men marrying child brides, then it's "celebrating diversity".

Convert26 | 3:14 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Excuse me, but weren't Joseph Smith and Brigham young polygamists?
I think there are two different issues here: child abuse and polygamy. One, is NEVER acceptable. The other seems like it should be a personal choice.

-Zell | 3:21 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Are you telling me all the followers of Islam in Canada don't have more than one wife? I'm sure there are a lot that do but won't be prosecuted because of political correctness. Interesting-we accept homosexuality and condem polygamy. someone explain this to me!

MA | 3:23 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Look at this way, If Muslims come to the USA they are suppose to abide by the laws here, and if they are American citizens then they have to live by the law of the land just like everyone else in the USA. I'll tell you what, why don't you FLDS men load up your bags and head for the Middle East. I'm sure they will greet you nicely with a gun to the head before they behead you.

To Convert26 | 3:31 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

If that is why you joined the LDS church is for polygamy, than you had better go hitch up with the FLDS if you can? They need some new supporters like you. The LDS church does not!

Pete | 3:41 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

re: Zell, You are a profoundly confused person. Get some substance and therapy while you can, and that goes for all the rest of you polygamy wackos out there.

Merv | 3:55 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

I think if anyone joins the LDS church in hoping to accumulate a few more wives in the near future, then this sort of jerkster needs to be excommunicated. The LDS church doesn't need lusty devils hanging around who wish to abuse the sanctity of women. This kind of feller needs to high tail it out of here.

To: To Convert26 | 3:31 p.m. | 3:53 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

You must admit that Joe Smith and Brigham also practiced polygamy way back. They also had reportedly taken up child-wives.

14 year old girls married to Joe Smith.

How icky! Oooh gross. Shame on him.

If its wrong now then it was wrong back then.

False religion alert!

JK | 4:05 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

What tipped off the RCMP? Its not like there was a book published or anything about polygamy and the FLDS church...

rob | 4:24 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Why does everyone give polygomists and FLDS members such a hard time, they arent bad people. For example, just take a look at some model polygomists/ FLDS members: Brian David Mitchell, Dan and Ron lafferty, Warren Jeffs, Tom Green..

Charles U. Farley | 4:29 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

If between consenting adults what is the real issue with polygamy? All religious rhetoric aside.

To: Charles U. Farley | 4:42 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Many times however it is not between consenting adults. Young girls are taken as brides and sexually assaulted. That has to STOP!

Also, what about the lost boys from these compounds. What about them? They get kicked out for no reason other than they compete for the affection of young women. That is also wrong. How can anyone defend this immoral behavior.

Polygamy is NOT from God. It is a man made false prophet sin created for the personal pleasure of a few.

Give me a break-- | 4:48 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

I am appalled that any man in this day and age would figure a NORMAL woman would fall for such a SCAM as polygamy. We all know darn good and well that God NEVER, NEVER made any such practice available to a man. Using God is a wicked way of committing adultery, and a vile mans way of cheating on his #1(FIRST WIFE) while he indulges with ignorant youngsters. Polygamist men like to pull the wool over womenï¿½s eyes by saying GOD SAID SO, and making woman feel like they are not committing adultery in doing so with the polygamist MAN animal. Polygamy is a MAN MADE PRACTICE, and there is no 2 ways about it, and God had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it*

CiCi | 4:52 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

I say if they want to share their ol' man with other sister wives why should I care? I don't. I do however care that children are becoming illegal brides to old perverts and I DON"T want to pay for any of their wives they can't support or their offaspring. I think that is what we are really discussing here. Not polygamy between the law defined adults.

Lady | 4:53 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

abuse women? are you all high? What FLDS woman has ever been abused? What do you "experts" really know? Maybe you read a book.Did it ever stop to think, although Jessops book was a "good read" ,IT WAS ALL BULL!!!!

Alex | 5:21 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Question to any polygamist out there (This is not a trick question): If polygamy ended up being legalized in Canada, would you consider moving there?

Anonymous | 5:29 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

By the time this matter snakes itï¿½s way through the Supreme Court of Canada, Obamasï¿½ second term will be long gone and so will most of us. In the meanwhile this matter will sputter through the thoroughly inept system. It will be painful to watch.

Charles U. Farley | 5:53 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Re: To: Charles U. Farley and Give me a break

My question was in regards to consenting adults with religious rhetoric aside. I can respect your feelings on this issue but I do not believe that you addressed my question. I write this understanding you are under no obligation to me to do so.

BOZOS | 5:51 p.m. Jan. 7, 2009

Um, looks like a real eye opener for some of you wicked polygamist men out there, and a big revelation for you too as well after reading these comments. Polygamy is definitely of the DEVIL.

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