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Actually Israel planned this offensive for 18 months.
But don't worry about the facts, they just confuse most people.
Why do you think the country voted the way it did last November?
Where was America when Sadam Hussein was killing innocents? Right behind him because he was fighting Iran. We said nothing about it until we decided that he was the enemy. And who gave him the chemical weapons?
Where was America when Zionist terrorists drove from the Holy Land 750,000 unarmed civilians and destroyed 450 Palestinians villages? Huh?
Where was America when Israel has been killing innocent Palestinians for decades, their IDF using Palestinians children for target practice?
Where was America when Israel flattened Jenin and bulldozed houses over on their inhabitants, including handicapped people unable to move?
Where is America's sense of fairness in declaring that no Palestinian has a right to exist nor do they have a right to defend their homes, their families, or their land?
Israel ALWAYS claim that their crimes are either "accidents" or they fabricate accusations that they were justified because they suspected that weapons were hidden in kindergartens, hospitals, mosques, or homes, which is never proven. That's just an excuse for genocide.
Can America really expect that Americans won't suffer in the world as a result of our blatant racism and hypocrisy?
I remember that the Vietnam War was constantly under protest. to the point that it represented a real problem for those in action, virtually "aiding and abetting the enemy".
The situation was somewhat complex. As Ezra Taft Benson said, the US shouldn't have gone there in the first place but, since they were there, the job should have been completed in such a way as to avoid future conflict in the area. Neither happened: the USA got involved in that old French colony, lost tens of thousands of American lives and then pulled out leaving victory to the Communists, not only in Vietnam but that whole part of South-East Asia.
Today protests are more civilized and muted, perhaps because there is no draft in this war and because Americans were really frightened by 9/11.
On the other hand, most Americans seem to feel that, since Saddam Hussein is dead and free elections have been held in Iraq it is time for troops to leave. If we wait until there is stability in Iraq IMO we will never leave.
The powers that be have no intention of ever leaving Iraq (a country that seems destined to have one civil war after another with or without any "democracy."
This entire situation has been exposed as one sick joke.
The stories that you speak of are the propaganda of an element of our society dedicated to the mental enslavement of America. While there is some truth in them, the whole truth is never known.
The element that I speak of not only indoctrinates their followers with the lies of partial truth but speak badly of others who may tell the other parts of the story (such as the Media).
Bob Koenig wake up and use your brain. All people everywhere have the right and the obligation to fight for their rights. It�s too bad that in this case America makes and allows the fight to be so lopsided.
Reading this comments from Utah, the UN can see they can relocate Utahans by signing a resolution. It's rare to read words written by a Utahan defending the human right to vanquish invaders from your home and land.
That's why all their comments on this string have amounted to diversions from the point that was made.
LOL!
Stop waiting for liberals to do all your work.
LOL!
The old hat republicans have some very good ideas: Small government and small taxes.
Problem is, Reagan threw all that out and ever since the 80s repugs have been all about enriching the wealthy while enlarging the number of families scraping by in the poverty level.
Bush/Cheney have no integrity. None whatever.
The narcissism which is so prevelent in the US comes straight from the neo-cons.
The corporate greed and banking/home fiasco comes straight from their greedy little minds.
The only way the US will recover is to move away from neo-con philosophies and get back to work. Keep the tax burden off of the middle class.
Cut spending BEFORE you cut taxes.
Bush increased the size of the federal government, by 40% -John McCain on 60 Minutes.
Sarah Palin.
These stupid people actually believe this is their best candidate.
LOSERS
Granted, Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction on the eve of the US attack. He managed, however, to produce the chemical agents by himself several years back.
Zionist Terrorists? Where did that come from? For your information, the state of Israel was formed based on a UN resolution. As the Arabs didn't like it, they attacked the Jewish settlements and wiped out 10% of their population. It is nearly a miracle that the Israelis prevailed. Seeing their defeat, many Arabs fled and left their homes. Very few were forced out. Any good history book would tell you that!
As for Jenin, this is another link in the chain of lies spread by the Arabs. Don't take my word for it, just read the report of the UN committee assigned to check this tale.
No one ever used Palestinian kids for target practice, but Hamas terrorists use them as shelter as they know the Israeli reluctance to endanger kids.
Whatever you people have been smoking, it's time to put it down. Anyway, Huntsman will tax that too.
I can accuratly name the ultra liberals leading their cause today.
Can anybody tell me who the leading Neo Cons are? And I don't mean Hannity, Rush, Coulter, Savage etc,. None of these people can take my money, freedom or liberty.
How about Palin/McCain?
(psst - the answer should speak volumes)
Your usual rhetoric again today I see. But the opinion writer said NOTHING about it being OK to do bad things just because someone else did something bad. He was just putting out a plea to be consistent, and protest ALL injustices (not just the ones that fit your political agenda).
You automatically turn everything into your pre-conceived notions. Where did he say it's OK for us to do bad things?
You need to change your moniker. It's so out of place when assiciated with your totally biased comments.
Just because you take the other side of the arguement doesn't mean anything you say is 'fair'. Being 'fair' isn't being totally biased but just to the other side. It's being unbiased and 'fair' and seeing BOTH sides.
If you could see and understand BOTH sides, I could see using a moniker like "letsbefair", but if you're just spouting the rhetoric of the other side with no concern for the whole truth... Your comments have nothing to do with fairness or balance, just a totally biased perspective from other side of the coin.
You should go by, "Palestinian Defender" or "Voice of the Left" or something like that. But your comments obviously have nothing to do with being central or 'fair' and are just as biased as the comments from the people who think Israel can do no wrong. The "Israel can do no right" rhetoric is just as 'unfair' as the "Israel can do no wrong" postings if you ask me.
Realise and express some points on both sides of the spectrum, that's 'fair'. Hint---There's-no-side-that's-100%-right-and-the-other-side-is-100%-wrong-as-you-try-to-make-it-sound-in-your-postings. BTW...I-thought-only-right-wing-nut-jobs-think-in-absolutes...right-or-wrong...black-or-white...What's-Morally-right/fair...etc...What-happend-to-you?
I don't know the definition of a neo-con, but I know that America was founded upon and exists because of the love of liberty.
The government large enough to give you everything you want is large enought to take everyting from you.
Who inhabited the Middle East first? I believe Jewish people were in modern day Israel long before Islam was even founded. I guess the liberals believe since the Muslims drove many of the Jews out of the area by force then they should be able to keep them out, including by exterminating them.
Palestinians don't want to live peacefully with Israel, they want the Jews gone all together. It is apparent many of the liberals on this page feel the same way. Palestinian protesters in Ft Lauderdale were calling for Jews to be sent to "the ovens", referring to the crematories they were massacred in during the Holocaust.
Granted, the USA unfortunately forced Native Americans on reservations at one time, but now they are free to live wherever they want in the USA. Will the Arabic community do the same for the Jews?
Another misconception about Israel is that Arabs cannot live there. Have you never heard of Arab-Israelis? They even hold spot in the Israeli Legislature. They are non-Jewish Israeli citizens and account for 20% of the Israeli population.
Also, even as Israel was dismantling settlements in Palestinian areas, they were being attacked by terrorists groups. Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terror organizations in the Middle East are not interested in peace with Israel. Even if a Palestinian State was established and left free, they would still try to destroy Israel.
It is appalling that Islamic Nations expect muslims worldwide to have equal rights in any country they live in, but will not extend that same right to non-muslims in their nations. This further proves they have no desire for fairness, only authority over all others in the end.
I voted for Barrack Obama.
Palin must be one since liberals tremble at the mere mention of her name.
Who are the rest?
And he thinks Rush O'Hannity are bogus for being biased political hacks... but he is exactly the same as they are and uses the exact same tactics they do and is just as annoying, just from the other side of the coin. Hmmm. Guess it's OK to be biased, dogmatic and annoying as long as your doing for the right party. Am I right?
Anybody see any difference between Anonymouse's rhetoric filled postings and the pompus-balony they may hear from the Rush O'Hannity crowd? They're exactly the same to me.
Who are the leading Neo-Cons in today's Republican Party. We now know Palin makes Liberals wet their pants at the mention of her name. That's one. Who are the others?
Palin lost.
McCain lost with her.
The country has spoken.
Get over it!
If this conservative read he would see real irony. :-)
Michael Savage is really Michael Wiener. He was a follower of gay poet Alan Ginsburg during his "City Lights" era in San Francisco. You can read about Mike's travels with Alan in Bali.
Mike is a Cal Berkeley grad.
Michael lives where today? You get get Mike from the Bay Area. He must feel a kinship with someone in San Francisco.
The way Mike lives, he must pay $5000 a month rent. Add in $400 restaurant checks and $200 bar tabs. There are the $1200 bottles of wine.
Mike needs a group to feed him. Who did Mike pick? He picked conservatives. Why?
What was presented was a view that favored the ongoing US actions in Iraq and an accusation of hyprocisy apparently leveled at those who do not support the current actions of the Bush administration in Iraq.
I appreciate those who would indirectly raise issues such as the Constitutionality of how US administrations (both Democrat and Republican) nowadays enter terrible wars without any declaration of war.
The question now surely is whether the US should be (or perhaps still be) involved in Iraq. If so, why? If not, why?
There is no straight conservative / liberal split on these issues, though I think most Republicans and Democrats initially voted for the original US presence in Iraq.
We don't even know yet what actions the Obama administration will take in the Middle East and what kind of a timetable it will follow. All I could ever fathom based on the President-elect's expressed views, that I ever heard, is that he favors transferring the action to Afghanistan.
I happen to know more than probably any of you about the situation and I glean my information from a large variety of souces, not just main-stream American media propaganda. My original claims can all be substantiated, but it's obvious such as KVC have their egos wrapped up in the fantasies that Israel perpetuates and they distrust all Arabs.
As for the Arabs attacking Israel in 1967---WRONG! I know, because I was there, and I swear, I was SHOCKED to find out how shamelessly Israelis lie about it even now. Except for the war in 1972, Israel has ALWAYS been the aggressor. Even now, if Arab citizens of Israel leave their homes in the evening, Israeli Jews have been known, on occassions, to break in and take over the Arab's homes and all possessions, and the police will do NOTHING about it! But you don't want to hear that, even although everything I have said is true.
To your discredit, you guys live in a dream world, and being anti-Arab IS being anti-Semitic.
But what is passing for conservatism today is an absurd black and white, good vs evil ideology that doomed the Bush presidency.
You have some warped idea that the Islamic Nations all just want to be friends with everyone and get along together. That is about as far from the truth as anything imaginable. They want Islam to rule the world. Do you know nothing about the early days of Islam? How the policy was convert or die? Do you have the false belief that it spread by love and compassion? Even today, for many it remains convert away from Islam and you should be killed.
I guess next you will claim that the Moors were being peaceful and the rest of the world attacked them first.
You are also full of Islamaphobia and your history of the Islamic world also reflects common Western bias in reporting history. You need to read up on it more in the hundreds of book available through the WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS.
Islam has always been the most tolerant of the three great monotheist religions. True, there are some countries which overstep the boundaries set by Islam, and there have arisen such abominable traditions which try to coerce Muslims into remaining Muslim, but this is against Koranic teachings.
No one is saying that the entire Middle East should be reserved for Islam alone--in fact Islam has a great respect for both, Christianity and Judaism, an honor not returned by either.
What about Moors?
Let's continue with a quick reality check: show me one credible source that backs up your claim that the Jews invaded Israel and/or attacked the Arabs in 1948. Perhaps you would care to explain why Arabs did not accept UN resolution 181 dated Nov. 29 1947?
It is true that Israel performed a preemptive strike in 1967. It is also true that Egypt threw the UN forces out of Sinai claiming an imminent attack on Israel as the cause, and let's not forget the Tiran straits blockade that Egypt pulled off a couple of weeks prior to the war. Funny how forgetful Arabs get when the facts are uncomfortable...
Do we also need to remind everyone how the northern part of Israel was shelled for years prior to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon? Those would be civilian targets for those of us keeping score. Now along comes 2009. After eight(!) years of Hamas rocket attacks on civilians, and three years past a complete Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip, Israel is finally taking action. Hamas had this coming and deserves no sympathy whatsoever.
Jihad has also been applied to offensive, aggressive warfare, as exemplified by Muhammad's own policies and the entire subsequent history of the spread of Islam. From the first generation of Islam, jihad ideology inspired the conquest of non-Muslim populations, forcing them to submit to Muslim rule or accept outright conversion. When used to describe warfare between Islamic groups or individuals, such as al-Qaeda's attacks on civilians in Iraq, perpetrators of violence often cite collaboration with non-Islamic powers as a justification.
In reading Muslim literature -- both contemporary and classical -- one can see that the evidence for the primacy of spiritual jihad is negligible. Today it is certain that no Muslim, writing in a non-Western language (such as Arabic, Persian, Urdu), would ever make claims that jihad is primarily nonviolent or has been superseded by the spiritual jihad. Such claims are made solely by Western scholars, primarily those who study Sufism and/or work in interfaith dialogue, and by Muslim apologists who are trying to present Islam in the most innocuous manner possible.
These are not my words, but those of some of the most respected Islamic scholars. Does not seem tolerant to me.
I have a Persian friend whose family fled Iran and is afraid to let any Muslim know that she used to be a Muslim and is now LDS. One person actually told her that while he would not do it because of their friendship, he felt she deserved to be put to death for converting. And that was in Utah.
Moslems allowed Catholics (who had the monopoly of 'Christianity' in the West) to keep their religion although they couldn't build new churches and were subject to taxes from which Moslems were exempt. "Christians" could not build new churches but they could use those already in existence. "Christians" had to identify themselves by their clothing etc. It was pretty bad.
On the other hand "Christians" (the medieval Roman Catholic Church) tortured and killed those of other faiths including other Christians if they did not fully and exactly believe the Roman Catholic dogmas. When they killed other Christians it was regularly done by the cruel method of burning them alive.
Thus, although Moslems were intolerant they were pussy cats compared with the Roman Catholics of their day.
This changed many centuries later but when we talk of the Middle Ages we should be aware of the relative humanity, in those times, of the Moors. This is why, in my opinion, with the exception of the First Crusade the Catholics always lost to their religious rivals.
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