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AK Fan | 9:48 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Win is win even it was kind of sloppy. JAzz looked tired. What the h... timeout was when 3 on 1.

Up North | 9:57 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Time to send CJ to the Thunder for Smith.

Just under 21 Minutes and you give 3 fouls & 4 points.... THIS is why the Jazz are getting off to slow starts. NO Fire, NO Defense & NO Hustle. Get Smith for a big man off the bench.

Put in Price for CJ and watch the hustle return to the start of games.

what? | 10:33 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

did I read the scoreboard right? I saw Koufus's number with 11 points and NO fouls at one time in the 4th quarter? I thought He was the one who got a foul a minute then sat down?!!
hey good to see him getting used to the NBA style of play so who needs that LOOZER called BOOZER!?

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Down south | 10:34 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Great stupid comment! Cj can't even be traded according to the CBA this season. And after this season the one team he can't be traded to is the thunder since the jazz matched their offer.

magnus | 11:07 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Wow, I didn't even know about the no trade to thunder even after a year part of the trade rules, nicely done.

I like CJ and all, but if you play for 20 minutes and all you really do is shoot the ball 4 times then you have a serious problem. And that problem isn't about talent or skills or anything like that, it is about heart and hustle.

I am starting to agree with the people out there calling for Almond and Price to get a shot.

Here's the problem though, Sloan has repeatedly said that Brewer is not a SF, and Price and Almond are definately NOT forwards. So if you started Price or Almond in place of CJ you would be starting with what amounts to a 3 guard small ball lineup with 4 out of 5 starters under 6'8" tall.

Miles, you're CJ's biggest stalke...I mean fan, why don't you kidnap..er...sit him down and help him out. tell him how great he is and that he just needs to stop worrying about looking good and start getting after it. The Jazz really do need him to be a factor if they want to be succesful.

GoodGuyGary | 11:17 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I was shocked when they matched CJ's offer... oh well, hope he will improve soon.

D-Will says: | 11:20 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

BRING ON CHRIS PAUL!!!

scott | 11:36 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

They CAN trade CJ to any team but OKC this year... the one thing blocking any trade is that he would have to approve the trade, or something like that (IIRC).

re: scott | 11:53 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

That is my understanding as well... This year, CJ can be traded to any team besides OKC, with his consent. So, he would need to agree to the trade... but couldn't be traded to OKC (this year) even with his consent. (I think....LOL)

PS. | 1:56 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Millsap is great!

Bob | 7:02 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

For pure heart, passion, talent, 19 double doubles and the way he has helped the Jazz with the loss of Carlos Boozer, the Western Conference should select Paul Milsap to the 2009 All-Star Team.
Never let him go!

My Brothers | 7:52 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

are in love with CJ. This is going to be very hard on them and "Miles" to watch the whole CJ thing unfold.

The King | 8:02 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

The Jazz are the most apathetic, disinterested team I have ever seen. The way they play, it's hard for me to tell if they care if they win or not. Teams that WANT to win play hard all the time. The Jazz play hard sometimes. Occasionally. When they feel like it. And that just isn't going to get the job done.

SirJazzalot | 8:09 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

The Jazz need to start Korver at the two, move Milsap to the three and start AK at the 4 and run them to death.

Anonymous | 8:31 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

In the starting lineup Miles is the 5th scoring option. For a 5th option he can be very good. When he gets going he is automatic from outside and takes the ball to the basket very well. The problem I have with Miles is in his spot as one of the last options on the offensive side he doesn't play enough defense. They need to trade him and probably Boozer for a shooting guard and maybe a longer interior defender. Boozer doesn't give the Jazz anything more than what Milsap does and even when he is back and healthy I don't see how you can sit Milsap in favor of Boozer.

Miles | 8:37 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I`m sure miles will wake up and start posting excuses for another no show....low post,high post,5 out post,inside post,too many minutes,not enough minutes,on and on...KK boys ( Koufos/Korver) really came in and gave us a spark,as did Ronnie B in the 4th,AK another solid game of the bench,GO JAZZ!!!!

BoOoO | 8:42 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

@Magnus

With our line-up now we have 4 out of 5 starters 6'8" or under. So I really don't think it would be a huge difference to put Almond in(besides the fact that neither of them are true small forwards).

Putting Price in though would be small ball, and I wouldn't want a line up that small to begin with, But I wouldn't mind seeing Almond get a shot and see what he does with it.

Chukar | 8:49 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Amazing what happens when DWill starts off aggresive. Okur and AK continue to be quietly solid

Re Bob | 8:52 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Millsap has done a yeoman's job filling in for Boozer. But and All-Star, after 23 games, come back to reality son.

Chukar | 8:53 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I agree with the King,,,,

Fast becoming a Koufos fan

jking | 9:02 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Come on fans!!! Let's support our team.....The Jazz are
working hard to pull off wins....Yes the system needs adjusting without Boozer!!! We'll figure it out!! That said have to agree C.J. is mostly worried about how
C.J. looks....Can't figure out why he is a starter!!!
Let's go with Korver and A.K. two of the most unselfish
team players on the Jazz. They look for the open man
instead of me...me....me !!!!!

It wouldn't hurt to use Price more either....what did he
do to get out of the line up!

This team has alot of character let's cheer them on!
They'll pull it off!!!

Miles | 9:32 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

CJ is fine. He has played every game. Even the great players have "off" nights or weeks. He is doing as good as any rookie out there except for OJ. I wish we would trade him. He would be better off somewhere where they don't run the pick and roll every play. How many points did CJ's man score last night? Maybe because he is playing defense outside, he is not around the basket to get rebounds. The other players get beat so they are always running at the basket and the ball just happens to fall into their arms. CJ doesn't get beat so his back is always to the basket where it should be. Getting rebounds and steals does not equate to good man defense. Taking chances and not guarding your man equate to rebounds and steals for small men.

Anonymous | 9:43 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

CJ can be traded as long as he agrees to it. Bench him for a few games and he can be traded. Sorry Miles, but CJ is not a good defensive player.

magnus | 9:54 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

@ Bo0o0

You are right, and I like the idea of giving Almond another shot.

I think the reason CJ is stil starting is because AK is playing so well off the bench. Also, while they haven't said so publicly, it appears as though the Jazz have made a concious decision to try and limit AK to around 25-30 minutes a night, which is necessary considering the fact that he has probably played the equivalent of 15 seasons of professional basketball and the body can only take so much. It really has little to do with CJ.

I like SirJazzalots idea of starting Korver and AK with Williams Millsap and Okur, with Brewer filling the 6th man role.

The other option that makes sense but nobody seems to be talking about is starting Korver in place of Miles. He has actually played some SF in his career and has been playing pretty well lately.

All that being said I think Sloan is right to give Miles some time to try and work it out, the ceiling for the Jazz as a team is much higher with CJ, but I get the feeling his time is running out.

Anonymous | 9:57 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

More important than starting is total minutes played and who plays in the 4th quarter. Korver gets more minutes and ends the games. So unless you are willing to totally cut into Miles' minutes it really doesn't matter that he starts.

Lazy Miles | 9:59 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I was watching miles last night while he was in and he is the laziest rebounder! If the ball happens to bounce his way, he'll pick it up, but don't expect him to go out of his way to get it.

Buck Eye | 10:11 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

The best players on this team in order:

Will keep
Sap keep
AK ????
Koof keep
Money ????
Brew keep

Anyone else is tradable. Some are trash!

Collins & Miles are bumz!

Streak Starter? | 10:17 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Really? Was that the title of this article? Come on, we barely beat a terrible Golden State team...Jazz must be destined for NBA finals after a win like that!!! Get serious, we barely beat a terrible team on our home court. We'll be lucky to win two in a row.

Anonymous | 10:24 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Best player
Williams
AK
Boozer
Millsap
Okur
Brewer
Koufas

millsap mvp!!! | 10:28 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

and all-star... the only one on the time

Fire Sloan | 10:26 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Who in their right mind would play Miles?

magnus | 10:33 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

@ Miles

If you think the pick and roll is the reason CJ is having so many problems I've got some bad news for you, nearly every team in the league with a decent point guard runs the pick and roll, and they do so frequently.

Also, stopping your man from scoring is only about half of what it takes to play good defence. CJ isn't a man on an island out there, if he's not going to do his part to help the team rebound and if he is so worried about his own guy scoring that he is unwilling to leave his man and help out his teamates then he is not playing good defence, he is playing selfish basketball and he is hurting the team.

You should know that I think CJ is a perfect fit in the starting linup for the Jazz his athleticism and his ability to shoot the 3 are perfect compliments to the slashing inside games of Brewer and Boozer/Millsap. But if CJ isn't willing to do the dirty work and get after it then he becomes part of the problem and not the solution.

Terrible | 10:38 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Miles needs to be traded now! He is terrible and lazy.

Re : Miles | 10:54 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

some guys have off nights,CJ is having an "OFF CAREER"

Bumm Buddy | 10:54 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

At magnus:

Do you really think miles does not play good defence?

That doesn't bother me as long as he plays good defense.

Thats OK mags, its your first Offence!

Gotcha Maggie!

CJ Miles was guarding... | 10:57 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Jamal Crawford,he only had 25 points

Artis Gilmore | 11:07 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Can CJ spell E-u-r-o-p-e? I really doubt it. But that is where he will be showcasing his abilities?

Old Stink Fing | 11:11 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

CJ is really having an Off Career! (Re: Miles) Now that is funny! But it is about 100% accurate.

If only............
If only............
If only............

Then CJ would be an All Star!

I've heard it all!

Who is Jamal Crawfor????? | 11:14 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

i'VE NOT HEARD THAT NAME BEFORE.

beaver bones | 11:16 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

CJ is killing this team! Put him in Puerto Rico. He could be a star!

Jerry Sloan | 11:17 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

has a lot more patience than I gave him credit for,if it were I, CJ would have so many blisters and splinters from ridin the end of the bench.... he would be about the 10th or 11th guy off the pine,maybe Jerry is hoping he`ll have a good stretch so he can trade him.....HUMMMMMMMMMMMMM,I don`t get it

CJ Miles | 11:22 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Thousands,maybe millions of 21 year old kids that can hoop,very few are special players,I really wish CJ was one,but I just don`t see the effort,give Korver and Almond his time,see what they do

Miles | 11:27 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

So if CJ was guarding Crawford, who was AK guarding? And I don't think CJ should have to give help on every play. Maybe if Brewer, Korver and Williams would keep the player in front of them, they wouldn't need help every play. I think there is a lot of jealousy towards CJ signing a big contract and all of you making $30,000 a year. You all believe Sloan is a no-nonsense coach. So if CJ is so bad, why is your man Jerry playing him? HUMMMMM.....Maybe because he is better than Harp and Korver. But on the other hand, if playing Cj is bad, then Sloan must be a bad coach. Which is it?

Shat | 11:30 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

It really shocks me that Miles continues to defend CJ's play every game. He has talent and I think we all wanted him to succeed, but enough with the lame excuses. He is not playing well and has only had a couple of really good games. His man scored all night, on him and others. Miles lacks desire, he rarely takes it to the hole with energy and athleticism, which does nothing to help free him up for jumpers.

Miles, quit blaming his play on everything and everyone, if he wanted to contribute he could. Look at Brewer, Price, Millsap and Harpring. Odds staked against them, they find ways to contribute. Nobody is perfect, but they are paid professionals and should know how to contribute on both ends of the floor.

I believe Magnus is making reference to the old De-Fence signs during the Jazz game on the electronic screen that displayed an old picket fence and encouraged the crowd to chant "De-Fence" when the opponent had the ball. Rather clever and you young kids may never have seen this...

Blue Ball | 11:38 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

CJ is hurting the Jazz! They need to release him. Or trade him.

Miles | 11:46 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Shat..........Harpring and Price contribute? Are you kidding me? Harpring is nothing more than a thug in shorts. Price never leaves the pine. You think CJ lacks desire. What he lacks is experience at the Pro level. As he plays more, the better he will respond. Most pros take a few years to develop their game. Look at Kobe when he was a rookie. Not that great. Made lots of mistakes. CJ is the best the Jazz have. So until they trade him for someone better, be glad we have him.

Miles | 11:51 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Was guarding Crawford,AK was on Magette and Jackson,and he even guarded Bedrins some,til he went out,did you even see the game???

Shat | 12:15 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Miles, Price as you recall, is not a point. he stepped up last year when we needed him to play the position. He stepped up this year when Deron was out and got us to a great start. He plays with energy and does not give up on any play. Harpring does what is needed and has a great jump shot coming off a screen. Same as Ginobli on the Spurs. He is a thug, frustrates players and is very effective.

You are what one would refer to as a hypocrite. CJ could be good, it is his fault he is not succeeding. He has been in the league 4 years. He is getting an opportunity to start and increase his minutes. It is his fault he is not where he should be. He is not THE problem, but he is not making himself a part of the solution.

Argue all you like, your maturity shines through.

magnus | 12:25 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Befor the CJ haters get to out of control it should be noted that from a pure statistical production standpoint CJ is better than any of the other guys we have all proposed to replace him with. His per game, per 48 minute, and player efficiency rating (PER) production are all better than Korver, Almond, and Price.

However his Lenovo Stats, which measure how the team as a whole did when he was in the game in terms of point allowed versus points scored are significantly lower than Korvers and are the lowest +/- per minute (over the entire season) of the 9 players who played last night.

Here's another interesting gem...

Statistically Carlos Boozer is one of the most dominant players in the league. His PER is of the charts and his per minute production is the best on the Jazz team.

But when you look at the Lenovo +/- you see a different story.

The Jazz where 8-4 in the games Boozer played and were a total of +51 in those 12 games. I was shocked to see that Boozers +/- in those games was basically even, and one of the worst on the team.

IDJazz | 12:26 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I do not think anyone one on here wants see Miles fail. Quite the opposite I think we were all some what excited because the potential he has. But the potential has shown it self here and there but never consistently. Miles made the point that everyone has an off night which is true, not long ago AK went 1-13 from the field but the difference is he made up for it in other areas of the game as do others. Last night KK did not shoot the ball well but he had 6 rebounds a blocked shot and a steal. The other thing that was bothersome and the announcers picked up on it last night was that he did not join the huddle in the fourth quarter with the rest of the team. That is one thing that will get you a ride out of town on the Sloan Bus. Giracek did that same thing and he is not even in the NBA anymore. He is young and some times young people think they know better but if you look at the attitude Koufos has and look at where it has got him, CJ might want hang with him.

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