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cars | 6:47 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

feel bad.... but what about all those big profit months?

Exactly | 7:11 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Another individual who failed to plan for the eventual downturn. Leveraged to the hilt and now finds it was a bad bet. Boo hoo.

flatlander | 7:27 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

so did he spend all his profits on fancy house and fancy car or did he sock some of it away. Seems like you only wanted to tell part of the story, why not all of it. Just like home buyers he kept leveraging himself, stupid is as stupid does.

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Carman | 7:37 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Dude,

How many cars would you have to sell to cover a one month $170,000 loss? Get Real! Your comment shows that you didn't give it much thought. Dealers are definitely hurting right now. Too many people don't understand that it is tough. When your inventory depriciates by 30-40% in one month like it did late last year you are going to take heavy losses. Maybe if your company goes down and leaves you without work you will realize that it is very difficult out there for many dealers and other businesses as well. I used to sell cars and never in our history did we have a year end gross profit of $170 K.

It's EASY to make money.... | 8:27 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

...in a fast-moving economy that depends on shady home equity loans to finance your high-priced cars.

Business needs to learn to NOT rely on credit to pay its month-by-month expenses. If not, it's a Ponzi, not a business.

SLC gal | 9:12 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

If I were this guy, I would get out of the high end business for awhile. He's figured out how to make money when it's on the upswing, so he should take a step back, find a way to handle the downswing then shift again when things turn around.

Jeremy | 9:17 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

The article stated that this dealer STARTED his car business with a home equity loan, not that he RAN his business on it. My brother owns a car dealership. Unlike other small businesses, banks aren't real eager to loan a guy capital to BEGIN a car business--they are very risky. The Small Business Adminstration also wants to see proven track record in the industry before they'll lend to the effort. How does one get financed to BEGIN a business? That's right, you do what you have to.

BotchedExperiment | 9:20 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Businesses whose 'business model' rely on debt are hurting, but that's inevitable. There is one thing that our society needs to learn about debt:

Debt = Risk

I'm heartened that the commentors recognize that it is the business debt that is hurting this business owner's bottom line, not the economy or his customer's lack of credit.

I hope we all see how buying a TV or a vehicle on credit is the same as the above situation.

Seriously? | 9:50 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I am a fellow car dealer. I know Jared. He's an exceptionally good, honest kid. He's also an excellent car guy with a really good head on his shoulders. He's doing the right things, but like most of us, didn't have a crystal ball, and hasn't perfected his fortune-telling abilities. He is now, evolving in reaction to the market. He has regretibly had to lay off employees, has slimmed down his inventory, is buying cheaper vehicles, and will make it through this mess unlike so many of his colleagues. Run a multimillion dollar small business on 2-3% profit margins, then pass judgement, alright?

Anonymous | 9:47 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I bought a car from them. Biggest mistake I ever made. that car was nothing but problems I've owned it for a year and have already spent about 3000 in repairs. Never buy a car from specialty automotive

RPC | 9:53 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Wow, I'm shocked by the number of people on this string who are so quick to assume that this guy just made bad decisions and deserves what he got. A huge portion of our economy is based on small businesses just like this one, all of which must assume some amount of risk to operate. As business' ability to assume risk dry up in this economy, more and more people are going to be out of work, leaving them in the same boat as this guy.

Loyal Customer | 10:06 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I have bought 4 cars from Specialties, and can say that "Anonymous" is either lying, or confused. Jared is the most honest dealer I've known, and will bend over backwards to keep his customers happy. Unlike other used car dealers, Jared utilizes expensive tools (like an elcometer that measures paint thickness to tell when a panel has been repainted) when buying a car to make sure the car has not been in a wreck.

I have nothing but praise for the way Jared and his employees do business

uncannygunman | 10:11 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

If car dealers are hurting so much (and I know that they are), maybe the legislature could see it in its heart to allow dealerships to remain open both days of the weekend?

Another Car Guy | 10:22 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

It sounds like Anonymous had some bad luck with a vehicle he bought from "Specialty Automotive." The article is about Specialties Automotive Group; two different dealerships. News break though, your seller did not manufacture the car, just resold it used. That warranty you bought (but likely didn't) should have covered any unexpected (to both parties) repairs. So, you bought a used car, opted out of the warranty, and now want slander a respectible business man...not cool.

An advocate | 11:05 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

My experience with Jared and his dealership was excellent, and I have only ever heard/read positive comments from others who feel the same. He and his staff are first class in every way--ethical, hard-working, and bent on customer satisfaction. If anyone can survive and thrive-- it's Jared. Best of luck to you!

Satisfied Buyer | 11:05 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I'm saddened to hear about the troubles Specialties and Jared are going through. I love the SUV I bought for my wife from Jared. It's been a great car and Jared was MUCH better to deal with than any dealer I've ever worked with before, and that's an understatment! I appreciate the time Jared personally put in with me to get me in the car I wanted with no pressure, no slimeball tactics, etc...and I did get it at a great price! I hope he can weather the storm because I'm already planning on buying my next car from him in about a year.

And, for what it's worth, that's what car dealers do! They finance their cars with a flooring line! You think LHM and the other big dealers are paying cash for their inventory? Nope.

dealer | 11:09 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

The problem is very real. If you don't believe me, just try to sell your own, personal vehicle right now at a figure even close to book value. Good luck with that! After you've tried that for about 90 days, in which time, the value of your car has dropped another $1,500-$2,000, then pretend you have not just 1, but over 100 of those, plus overhead, employees' wages, benefits, advertising, etc.

What, no luck after 90 days? Well, don't worry, at 93 days the bank will come get everything and you and all the employees that depend on you are out of a job! What was that old "cast stones" thing again?

Anonymous | 11:09 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

There may have been many big profit months but he did not fail to plan. If you talk to even the large dealers out there you would know they are feeling the pain that Jared is having, the public sees less of the effect. As someone in the credit business I am seeing the slowdown as well. People dont want to borrow money right now. This has to mean dealers are selling less, I know I am loaning less. It is hard times for many people and it is unfortunate that some are making assumptions about a person or a business they have never had a relationship with.

Fido Fellow | 11:08 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

These negative comments are ridiculous and unwarranted. Specialties is an upstanding member of our community and have always done right by me as well as others in their dealings. Shame on you for thinking they didn't plan for the down turn. The entire global market didn't plan for it, so why would you expect a local dealership to do so? They are clearly making the best of the situation that they can. I personally applaud their efforts and will continue to buy cars from them. Specialties should hang in there as this is what is helping to keep our economy from going even farther in the tank.

Banker | 11:12 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I find the disparaging comments in this string to be misguided and uneducated. Jared started his business with his personal equity, similar to 90% of the companies in existence today. Jaredï¿½s problem came about due to banks (including the bank I work for) changing credit policies based on knee jerk reactions with no notice to small business. Imagine having your credit cards, your home equity line of credit and all other bank lines drying up with no notice. How long can you last with the cash in your account and having your salary decreased by 70%? Something tells me most would be in bankruptcy in a very short time frame. By the way, Jared is just one victim identified in the article. There are hundreds of other dealers, including Larry Miller, who are having the same issue.

Another Loyal Customer | 11:30 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Nothing but good to say about this guy. I have purchased several cars from him and have referred several people, many of which are repeat customers. It is to bad all used cars dealers don't operate their shops this way.

It is a shame to read some of these comments. Get a clue. Hats off to Americans like Jared who have the courage, capability and creativity to figure out how to contribute and be successful and do it honorably. There are more than 65 used car dealerships in this state that have gone out of business and more that will. It speaks volumes for Jared's group. They are still in business and figuring things out. Here is a guy that started in his basement, worked up to selling 110 cars a month, purchased his real estate (a multi tenant building which he can either continue to operate out of or lease as an investment property), and is still in business during these very difficult times. An example of hard work and success. Proud to have done business with you. Keep up the good work. I will be back to buy ANOTHER car.

Customers wouldn't stop talking | 11:31 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Pay attention to the positive comments that are being said about Jared, many are from his customers. I can tell you first hand that ALL of his customers rave about him and his dedicated staff. How do I know this? I filmed his video infomercial on his website. As the camera rolled, the customers just kept talking about how professional and honest Jared is. I found this to be true as I bought a car from him after we filmed his segment and even sent him several customers. All had the same positive experience with Jared.Jared is a champion "follow through" guy. There are exceptional people in every industry. The car business has very few. Jared is among them.

GMT | 11:38 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I too have purchased auto's from Jared. NEVER, have I had a problem with any dealings with Specialities Auto. I would, and will buy from him again. Funny, when we look at enterperneurs and take exception with their innovative ideas to get things done. Jared didn't ask for the Gov't to bail him out as so many of our (citizen's) have done when things turned sour. He is a very hard working, honest and above board man who will recover from this economic time. Best wishes Jared.

Jeremy | 11:52 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I bought a 2002 BMW from Specialties Auto and when I purchased it, the Steering Rods were going to need to be replaced in a few thousand miles or so. Jared told me he would replace them at no charge to me (it cost him $200-$300). It is honesty like this that brought me back 3 weeks later to buy an Infiniti QX56 from him. Finding a dealer that is upfront and honest is what is important when buying a used car...and Specialties definately proved they are upfront and honest with my purchase.

I hope Specialties can make it through this difficult time.

Bundy | 11:53 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

You know with the Bailout, my favorite Ford Dealer (Al Long Ford) was bought out by 5 other dealers... They had to give up the Al Long Ford name and become the Long Family Auto Center, where they sell used cars, as well as service and body shop..
It's a shame that good dealers have to be subjected to the bad part of the economy.

Business partner | 11:52 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I have worked with Jared for years and have found his business practices very sound. The negative comments in this blog are very misguided! I have never seen or heard from any customer that has worked with Jared that would substantiate these false accusations. The market is tough and as a bank, I am seeing record numbers of my customers falling by the wayside. Some by their own mistakes and some that are having to close because they can't continue to go in the hole each month. Please check the facts and I think you'll find that this is a global problem.

Ute Fan | 11:59 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I own a Porsche and can easily afford to buy and maintain it. People are somewhat shocked when you tell them an oil change costs $350 on a Carrera and tires are exceptionally expensive, tuneup are thousands of dollars. So, if you buy a high end car be prepared to maintain all that German or Italian engineering or you will pay more later. No, taking it to Jiffy Lube doesn't work.
My husband was looking to trade in our BMW X5 on a new model and I suggested we look at an American car to help the economy. Well, after going to J Seiner and waited for a sales for a long time. We asked to drive the 09 Hybrid Escalade and no wonder the big 3 are going broke, it was loaded with plastic where for $75,000 it should have been wood, cheap parts, skinny steering wheel reminded of my parents old cars and a analog clock that was so small you could not tell if it was 3 or 4 o'clock. The ride was ride but the fit and finish were very poor. Used Car-Buyer Beware!

Another Dealer | 12:37 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I'm another used car dealer in Bountiful. Jared runs a good business, and I'm sure he'll be fine. But Jared, if you read this, don't be shocked that people who have never run a business- and especially a business whose inventory takes up $1,000,000-don't understand. Good Luck!

Hero of Canton | 1:30 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I don't care who you are, from Larry Miller on down to this guy, YOU ARE RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS ON CREDIT. You are running it on a flooring line, you are running it on credit cards, you started it on a home equity line blah blah blah. When will people get the picture? DEBT = RISK! You CHOSE to run your business on credit, don't give me the nonsense line about how you HAVE to do it. You could have done it with cold hard cash and not with credit, yes it would have taken longer and yes you would not be able to realize the larger profits for years but that is how the world should be.

I completely understand that business is not run this way and if you want to be competitive and stay ahead of the competition blah blah blah then yes, go ahead and buy everything on credit like everyone else. But when the market takes a dump, banks stop lending and suddenly you are left holding the note, guess who is the ONLY one responsible? YOU.

Society has been brainwashed about buying on credit and it needs to stop.

Dave | 1:58 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I was saddened to see this article. I have used Specialties for car repairs and I have various friends who have purchased cars from Jared over the years. My personal experience with them has been outstanding. Similarly, I have never heard anything but great reviews about Specialties' honesty and the quality of their service.

The market has indeed changed, but I am hopeful that Jared will make it through these down times. Honest car dealers, particularly honest used car dealers, are extremely rare. I went through a few of the bad ones before I found Specialties.

Hopefully, the goodwill Jared has accumulated with loyal customers like me, combined with the reduced competition in the market, will help Specialties to weather this storm.

Helen Waite | 2:02 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

You can tell who has "Taken a Risk" and started their own buisness and who works for someone else because they are too affraid of Risk..
I personally have never bought a car from Jarad but in the future I will definatly check his buisness out, all you dooms dayers who are so Negative about anyone trying to get ahead outside working for someone else...SHAME ON YOU, you will be the same ones complaining when the economy turns around you cant figure out why your not getting ahead Working for someone else =Helping them get ahead not you,,F.Y.I.

I don't know Jared | 2:10 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

But by the generous praise of his former customers, the next time I need a "nice used" car, I'll go see him. I hope he can last through these times. If only all the haters could see how much we depend on these small businesses. And especially the business man or woman who takes a risk and creates for our economy. If you read the story, you see that because of one persons hard work, daring, knowledge, he was able to create jobs for many others. Thanks Jared and good luck

Bruce | 2:10 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I was Jared's neighbor for a while, still keep in touch, and can tell you he basically worked his tail off chasing the American Dream. He doesn't live in a mansion. He recently added service bays and when my cars hit 3000 miles I'll take them there with confidence. He once told me about the difference between his profit margin and his competition's; significanltly less (and I wasn't buying a car at the time). I run an online backup business, and can vouch for how difficult it is to start a business.

To: "Hero of Canton" | 2:24 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Are you crazy? There is a difference between financing your living room furniture and starting a business. If all businesses waited until they had the cash to start there would be very few around. I agree that there is risk involved, but it is silly to state someone shouldn't start a business until they have a cash. Homes and education are financed. Can you imagine if every doctor/lawyer/scientist/etc waited until they had the cash to attend school. Or waited till they had the cash to buy a home. Our economy depends on credit. Has our society taken it too far. Obviously. We've been spending more than we make for years. But that's not the same as starting a business. You should be thankful to guys like Jared. Their risk taking is what creates jobs and services. They create an economy that provides for services and schools. The entrepeneur deserves respect for actually creating. Service jobs, myself included, ultimately depend on them.

Russ | 3:37 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I am Jaredï¿½s EX Father in-law, thatï¿½s right EX. I have purchased 4 of my last 5 cars from him and will continue to buy from him because of his integrity and incredible knowledge about cars. I can go to him for sound counsel and advice, and know that Iï¿½m getting nothing flowery, just honesty, common sense, and straight shooting counsel. He is a gifted & honest businessman who could have taken the easy way out but has chosen to fight the fight. I hope he makes it because it is his caliber of person we need in the used car business to help offset the bad rap frequently given and frequently deserved in that industry.

Jared.....good luck | 3:36 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

your reputation should allow you to get into some low cost inventory ($4000 to $15000) like a friend of mine in St. George. He will survive this thing because he is very careful what he buys. Everyone trusts him and his inventory. He has a lot of repeat business. He has only a couple of employees and he lives in a very nice home. Good luck to you. Convert half you inventory to some nice clean used Japaneeze, Korean lines which are hand picked.

Andy | 9:24 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

All business is run on credit. This business is no exception. The difference is in the auto world, all vehicles are on credit and there is no exception. He has cut back staff and inventory. His fixed expenses are obviously the biggest reason he is in the red.

I know it is easy to jump to conclusions, but until you have all the facts, I'd suggest you temper your stone throwing.

Jared Broke State Law | 11:58 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Utah law states that, if you are to buy and sell autos outside of the limitations placed by state law, then you are considered as a dealer, which means you'd have to obtain a car dealer's license, insured and bonded. One can't obtain a dealer's license unless he has put down $50,000 as bond, and also obtain insurance.

Prior to opening of his dealership, Jared never did any of this when he was still dealing cars at his home, hence, according to state regulations, he was breaking the law, which the law never caught.

This law was set up with the precise reasons to avoid home dealers such as Jared, as the repercussions by unscrupulous dealers could really end up hurting people in the very real sense, because innocent buyers thinking they're buying a regular guy's car, turned out that it has a problematic history that could disintergrate while driving on the freeway, etc, all because of profit making.

However, it's too bad that he had to break the law in his car dealings earlier on.

I'm sure that, now he is licensed, bonded and insured. Otherwise, his operations would not have lasted as long as it already has.

Fan of Value, Skill and Quality | 12:33 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I'm sitting here thinking of what else I can add to the awesome comments already made in support of Jared and his business. I have purchased 3 cars from him and refer business to him whenever I have the opportunity. Albert Einstein said something like "Let us not strive to be people of success, but let us strive to be people of
value. If you are of value to your friends, clients, family and the community you
truly are a success." Smart man. I really feel Jared is the embodiment of this idea. We should fiercely support and refer excellent business owners in ANY industry who operate this way. We will always need cars, homes, maintenance services, etc. I want people like Jared to be around to help me with the products and services I need now and in the future.

JARED L. THOMPSON | 1:50 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

First thing this morning I received a call from my mother to inform me that she had just finished reading Lee Bensonï¿½s column in the Deseret News about me and Specialties Automotive Group, LLC. Mothers tend to be proud of having their sonï¿½s names in the newspaper, perhaps even when discussing difficult challenges that his business faces and the automotive industry as a whole. Shortly thereafter, calls, emails and text messages from friends, colleagues, vendors, fellow dealers, and others who had seen the column began rolling inï¿½and needless to say, it put an unexpected spin on my morning. I logged onto the Deseret News online to view the column for myself, and periodically throughout the day, viewed the comments that individuals began leaving in response to the columnï¿½hoping that indeed the next comment would be more positive than the prior. Thank you so much to those who have left words of encouragement, and favorable accounts of their experiences and affiliation with Specialties Automotive Group, LLC and my invaluable staff.

JARED L. THOMPSON (continued) | 1:58 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I didnï¿½t find it necessary to respond personally until, after finishing a late movie with my wife, Rebecca, I saw a comment, so boldly accusing me of breaking state law. I didnï¿½t quite understand where the author of those statements got his misinformation, but I certainly wanted to clear the air of THAT kind of accusation. Reading over previous entries, I believe that I found the cause. I am sure ï¿½Another Loyal Customersï¿½ statement of ï¿½Here is a guy that started in his basementï¿½ wasnï¿½t meant to be taken literally. Specialties Automotive Group, LLC was NOT started in my basement. I registered the company with the Utah Department of Commerce in March of 2003, Entity Number 5284695-0160. The original dealership was a small office and warehouse location that I operated initially on a part-time basis, assisting customers by appointment at 475 North 1000 West in Centerville. Of course, we were a licensed, bonded dealership registered with the MVED since the inception of the business. The point he raises about individuals operating a car business without a dealers license (also known as ï¿½curb stoningï¿½) is a valid one, but in no way relates to either myself or Specialties Automotive Group, LLC.

Diamond in the Rough | 9:30 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I heard a wise professor in a business class once say that the best way to be successful in business is to offer products that compete on quality and not price.
Specialties Automotive is first class in the quality it offers and stands behind. The business is a diamond in the rough though because it offers great value, meaning you get great quality at a great price.
At the heart of this business is a man who is the definition of integrity and trust. Put him to your own test as I have done 3 different times (and will do again shortly) and I guarantee you will be pleasantly dealt with. I have nothing but high praise for the experiences I have had in purchasing both business and personal vehicles from Jared and his staff. Jared will be successful because of the eye he has for quality and the way he deals fairly with everyone. We need more business men like him to instill confidence back to the consumer especially in times like these. Best of luck Jared in riding through the challenges.

David Todd | 9:39 a.m. Jan. 6, 2009

It seems unfortunate that many people want to take out vindication where none is needed.

People are frustrated with the economy and the idea of successful business owners. As a result, many seem to have a hard time just hearing facts as they are without seeking some kind of needless justice.

The story looks to me to simply be a snapshot of where we are now in the economy. Not a call for legislative action or a call for public knowledge of the logic behind his personal business decisions.

I would wish great luck to Jared, because when the good local and the small companies of Utah go out of business it really doesn't profit us one bit.

Anonymous | 1:51 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I am someone who has known Jared for a few years in a personal and a professional capacity, and all I can say is, he's doing the best with what has been dealt to him and everyone. He will make it through this tough time and continue to thrive because he is smart and honest. He treated me well and gave me encouragement and work to do when I was struggling, even though he didn't have to. He's a great businessman, but to me the most important thing is that he also understands how important it is to treat people like people, no matter their situation in life. Thank you for everything Jared, I'm sure you'll get through this snag and come out even more successful.

Hi Jared | 2:42 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

The statement about breaking state laws did came from the comments of 'basement', but also from the reporter when he said,"It's a niche he carved out for himself bit by bit over the past six years. He started by buying two cars from his home equity line and reselling them for a profit. That worked so well he did it again, and again, and again, until he was finally able to convince his wife they didn't need his day job ï¿½ he was an investment counselor ï¿½ any longer."

It gives the impression that this business was began at home, when you took the home equity line and started selling them for a profit. There was no mentioning that an office was opened, small or otherwise, and that only repeated success of doing it again and again, that constituted your decision to do it full time, only after much success had been reaped.

It's not unusual for one to begin a business out of the house's garage or basement. Apple, Amazon, and many other huge companies began their businesses out of their homes. The difference was the state law when it comes to buying and selling vehicles multiple times.

Sarah | 4:18 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

Probably a good lesson to learn not to accuse someone unless you DO have all the facts. Don't make assumptions based on your interpretations. I'm Jared's sister in law, and I bought my first of three cars from him at his first warehouse/office when he started and while he still was working in the investment industry. I try to think how many of us would succeed working a full time job and supporting a family while starting a business the right way. The statement "Jared Broke State Law" is highly inappropriate and inaccurate and even more shocking to me is the attempt to justify making it. (Im assuming its the same person.) Hopefully, that's the last make-believe accusation we see.

Hi Sarah | 6:33 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

It's not a justification, it's a real attempt to accuse based on the evidence presented by the reporter and based on those who wants to praise a car salesman.

Sarah, Jared is made to sound like a prophet, glorifyiing him to the tilt. He is a car salesman for goodness sakes, no more, no less, so please, don't pretend that car salesman doesn't deserve the reputation they dug for themselves.

After all, if you want to wager as to the consensus of 100 people, as to the reputation of car salesmen, you'd lose money on it.

And Jared, nice man he might or might not be, and there are certainly unhappy customers that had posted on this commentaries as well, so, maybe blood is thicker than water, but certainly not thicker than truth.

A balanced approached to a too glorified car salesman is more appropriate then protecting a family member.

Remember, it's only cars, nice cars they maybe, but he is no prophet, so don't elevate him too much, cause he might just get a big head.

Learn to be humble, all of you, and Glorify God instead.

Rediculous | 8:18 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

I donï¿½t know any one of you, but that last guy is absolutely incorrigible. It never ceases to amaze me how brave and brazen some people can get tucked securely (and anonymously) behind the safety of their personal computer. He accuses a complete stranger of illegal activity based on mere assumptions rather than facts. He then proceeds to not only belittle a small business ownerï¿½s career choice, but an entire industry in the process. According to MSNBC, 1 of 10 people in America have an auto industry related job. Nobody declared anyone a prophet, my friend, but you seem to think an awful lot of yourself, now donï¿½t you? Surely youï¿½ve learned by now that there are gentlemen and jerks in every occupation, every industry, and in all walks of life. Who are you to decide which kind of business is acceptable (or ï¿½Glorifies Godï¿½). Yeah, I can tell, you just reek of humility. Attorneys share a rather low public opinion, yet I know some exceptionally good, honest people who choose to practice law. Yeah, I can tell, you just reek of humility. Who are you? Whatï¿½s your profession? Letï¿½s see whoï¿½s unabashed about tearing you down.

Re: Rediculous | 11:39 p.m. Jan. 6, 2009

It sounds like there is a denial here.

Go ahead, it doesn't bother me as to how far you bury your head in the sand.

Somehow your ignorance think I'm the one that created the bad perception about car salesmen. And the even lower reputation of lawyers as bloodsuckers.

I wished I had such powerful influence in creating the perception Americans have of salesmen and lawyers.

Sounds like you haven't opened your eyes deeply enough that it wasn't me.

But heck, this is Utah, who has logic as shallow as the President they had voted for in the last 8 years.

About belittling the entire industry, hey your own congressman, and your to be new President has already done that, no need my posts to promote incompetence and poor judgements. But, like I said, get angry and blame me. You need to get your anger somehow, so, fire away.

Remember, Congress' slapping the faces of the car industry is not trying to find the jerks in any industry, they're actually saying it to all of the big 3, loudly and clearly, as slow learning idiots.

If you're bothered, then tell your congress to be nicer to the big 3

Re: Rediculous 2 | 12:21 a.m. Jan. 7, 2009

By the way, since you're not convinced that car salesmen are low on the totem pole of respected professionals, how about if we're to wager some significant figures? We'll randomly select 100 people off the streets, and the majority of opinions that leads 51% and above wins.

Lets start with $10,000, and if you feel that's not serious enough, we can bump it a little to $20,000.

If your mouth is as real as it is loud, and willing to put money in it, then we'll hire an attorney to draw up the contract, make the rules clear, follow state laws accordingly, and we'll both sign it.

To make sure the winning party wins, we have to draw up an escrow account with the wager deposited in advance, so the winning party is guaranteed to be paid.

Since you do not agree and accuse me for, "name" calling, then we'll settle this with something other than just a bunch of words. I think this will certainly clear up any doubts in yours or anyone's minds, that the car selling industry is as bad as the reputation it has earned.

So, when do you want to start?

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