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Utah Utes football: Forget BCS; U. is No. 1 for Utahns

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Nostradamus | 9:28 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Basketball??? - what does that have to do with anything right now, 8:16 PM Anonymous it's clearly past your bedtime.

Utes did great. I was proud to be there. This game was never really close. Had BJ not lost the ball on the 2nd play in the 3rd quarter, it would have been an even greater thumping.

Thanks to all the classy BYU fans and their accolades - it's what I would expect. To you other whinners (read as losers - in so many ways) - well, just go to bed.

Utes do deserve a National Championship! With the way they played Friday night they could beat any other team in the Nation. When Urban stated publicly he would not want to 'face the Utes' I think he knew what he was talking about.

Great team - great year - maybe the AP will show some fairness. Go Utes in 2009.

Oh yeah and for the 8:16 PM post - who beat Gonzaga and who lost to Wake??

its crazy | 9:36 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

way to go utes. it was a huge fan for every fan and team outside the bcs or bs as i like to call it. i'm tired of the saying the utes aren't good enough year in and year out. its all about how a team does that year and this year the utes should be #1. they did all they could and beat the best that was put before them. just like they did a couple years ago. just like boise st did against OK. it shouldn't be how your program does over time just that year. the super bowl is who is the best that year and it should be that way in college.

JerBearGRR | 9:37 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Thank you to all the BYU and even some Alabama fans who have come onto this message board congratulating Utah's season and Sugar Bowl win. Thank you for showing your respect to a truly remarkable season. It shows true class and sportsmanship. Thank you.

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Anonymous | 9:53 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

WELL THE ACC IS AWZOME IN BASKETBALL BUT YOU GUYS BEAT GONZAGA BUT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN BEAT LSU IN BASKETBALL LIKE YOU DID TO BAMA IN FOOTBALL?

SoCal Coug | 9:56 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

All year I thought the 2004 Ute team was better, but I cannot say that anymore. Nor can I say that our 1984 National Championship team was the best team in Utah history. This Ute team did WAY more than EITHER of those teams. They deserve to be called #1 in the country and Utah's best ever; I cannot in good conscience say otherwise.

That should change next year if Bronco learns from this season. We have the talent. There is no reason the Cougs cannot rise to that level. I totally disagree with those that blame the Honor Code. The HC is an asset, not a liability.

Congrats Utes. See you next year.

UTAH NATIONAL CHAMPIONS 2008 | 9:59 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

I wholeheartedly agree with whoever posted that they should print T-shirts of Utah National Champions 2008. I would buy 10. No one else in the nation can make a better claim to the championship this year. No one else in the nation can make AS good a claim to the championship this year. A screwed up system does not a real champion make.

Also, to those of you BYU fans who are poor sports and crying scoreboard because you won a highly debatable championship a thousand years ago: grow up and quit living back then! UTAH IS BETTER NOW! 2008 Utes would KILL 1984 cougars. I mean, those guys are old now, if they're even still alive! lol

Awesome # 3 | 10:04 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

I loved the way Utah thumped Alabama. However, you have to put the Longhorns and the winner of the NC game ahead of the Utes. Other than Alabama the only other team of note that Utah played was TCU. A team that was wasted by OU.

Texas drilled Missouri, Oklahoma and Oklahoma state. Their only loss was to a last second score by Texas Tech after the Longhorns faced 4 straight weeks of top ten teams.

One incredible win does not a national championship make.

Be thankful | 10:08 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Utah fans should jump for joy in support of the BCS, because they can make a claim that they deserve a share of the national championship or outright deserve it. If there was a playoff, no way Utah wins another game. Utah should also be thankful that they got to play TCU and BYU at home, because they lose both of those games on the road.

To Awesome #3 | 10:14 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

"One incredible win does not a national championship make."

Really? Wanna tell Eli Manning that? Incredible victories at the right time that mean championships are what sports are all about!! You gear up for the important games and you WIN! That's what Utah does. That's what Champions do!

BCS fix for now | 10:15 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

how about the BCS make the stipulation that the champions of the BCS conferences must have a higher BCS ranking than the non BCS conference schools or they do not qualify for a BCS bowl...so the BCS big boys would have to take the non BCS conference schools that have the higher ranking...this would at least allow the non BCS conference schools to get a share of the pot if they have earned the higher ranking within the current BCS system...so the Orange Bowl this year could have possibly been TCU vs Boise State instead of the #12 and #19 BCS ranked teams...just a thought.

My 0.02 | 10:16 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

I would vote Utah #1 for a number of reasons but the most compelling is how they tortured the Crimson Tide. Who knows what would happen against Fl, Ok, Tx or SC, the world will never know but I will never second guess a Ute team that has a month to prepare for a game... Go UTES, GO MWC!!!

My opinion | 10:41 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Come on.. Utah had a great year no doubt, but Oklahoma and Florida our powerhouses and bring MILLIONS of revenue to their conferences. They consistently sell out games and get the primetime viewing. Oklahoma had a awesome year outscoring their opponents by at least 60 in their last 6 games against "good even great" teams. Did Utah really have the quality of schedule that the Sooners had or even Florida. If you are a true fan, you have to be a fan all year long, year after year, decade after decade. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon when they do well.

Boo Hoo | 10:48 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Both teams played by the rules that were in place at the time (1984 & 2008). Cougars 1 NC, Utes 0. Deal with it. It will always bug Ute fans but you are powerless to change this fact. Cougar fans don't live in the past but we don't ignore the past either. 2 strong seasons don't make a dominant program by the way. BYU dominated their conference for years including 2006 & 2007. Utah was a doormat for the Cougars in the WAC for years and will be again. Utah has 2 MWC titles which ties them with
guess who - BYU.

Saban = Coach of the Year? | 11:00 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

What a joke. KW outcoached that fool in every aspect of the game. It was hilarious to watch him pace the sidelines trying come up with answers for what Utah was throwing at them.

Boo Hoo | 11:06 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Actually the Cougars and Utes have 4 MWC titles each since 1999. Three of BYU's titles came with undefeated runs in conference (2001, 2006 & 2007). So much for ancient history.

rvalens2 | 11:04 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Re: My opinion @ 10:41 p.m.

"Come on.. Utah had a great year no doubt, but Oklahoma and Florida our powerhouses and bring MILLIONS of revenue to their conferences. They consistently sell out games and get the prime time viewing."

Uh ... what does MILLIONS in revenue, selling out games and prime time viewing have to do with winning a football game?

True, it helps with recruiting but on the field is where it counts.

Most SEC and BIG 12 teams don't want to play Utah. They figure it's lose/lose situation. If they win they were supposed to. If they lose everyone tells them, "How could you possibly lose to that team from the the WAC?"

Hello ... Utah is in the Mountain West.

Utah's field is becoming littered with the corpses of BCS teams that were supposed to trounce them. Just add Alabama to the graveyard.

By the way, I'm not a "fair weather" I've followed the Utes since 1979, when an 8-3 season would be considered miraculous. I'm not jumping on the band wagon just because they have had an INCREDIBLE season.

Even if the Utes were to go back to mediocrity, I'd still be a fan.

Hey Boo Hoo | 11:47 p.m. Jan. 4, 2009

Keep crying. Bottom Line--BYU is irrelevant on the national stage and it kills you. When Utah wins MWC titles, they go to BCS bowls and have legitimate claims to the national title. BYU...silence. Again, if the MWC gets respect nationally, it will be because of Utah, not BYU. I know this is difficult for you to accept, but BYU has slipped to an above average team in a below average conference, which cannot seem to win very many bowl games. Play in one, just one, BCS bowl, then we can at least have a conversation. Until then, BYU has nothing to do but congratulate the Utes and hope that the Utes can carry the conference to new heights, so BYU can prosper if they ever get their act together again. Until then, keep crying. You are as irrelevant as your team right now.

Boo Hoo | 12:05 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Irrelevant hugh. BYU was Ranked #8 in the nation and considered by everyone to be the BCS buster. This during a rebuilding year with only 3 returning starters on defense. Everyone knows about BYU's football program. Until 2004 Utah was a basketball school that occasionally played football scrimages for charity. What is pathetic is a Ute fan taking a good season and trying to turn it into the greatest year in football history.

re: My opinion | 12:09 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

First of all, money & prestige isn't what should decide who plays in the title game. It probably did, but that's why we need a play-off to get rid of that crap! Second, I agree Oklahoma belongs in the title game, but I definitely take issue that Florida belongs there ahead of Utah! Florida has beaten two currently ranked BCS teams (Georgia and Alabama). Florida has also lost to Mississippi! Utah has beaten three currently ranked BCS teams (TCU, BYU, and Alabama). They have lost to NOBODY! They also beat Oregon State who beat USC, and who would've won the PAC 10 if their running back hadn't been injured for the Oregon game. I expect that Utah's two ranked wins will be top 10 wins after the final rankings. Bottom line, Utah has no losses, and nobody else in College Football at the FBS can claim that. There were two other teams that could claim that in 2004. Both teams I think would've been beaten by the 2004 team. I'm not so certain about the 2008 team, but I do think they are at least the 2nd best team, so they should play for it!

smutz | 12:32 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Congratulations to the Utes. It was more than refreshing to see a team out of Utah thrash a very talented Alabama team. As a USC fan, I would love to see us play you guys for the national championship. Remember, we got knocked out of one by the BCS in '05. I think things are going to get tough for BYU in the near future.

duckdogblack | 12:49 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Why all the quibbling. I like BYU. But I love the Utes. I root for both, but this years Utah team leaves no doubt that they are the best ever in Utah history and the best in the country. They just became the 800 pound gorilla in the BCS club house. Utah can not be ingnored. Their win will, I hope, bring a much needed change in the national title picture. I hope the AP has the guts to split the title that will bring about the collape of the BCS system. If that happens, to Utah belongs the glory and the thanks of all non-BCS schools.

Anonymous | 1:38 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

After reading a lot on ESPN.com, the Utes have sparked quite the BCS controversy. I have to say, it's amazing how things have started moving.

duckdogblack has it right | 6:46 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Boo Hoo, sit at his feet and learn. Have the guts to admit when your rival is better. Grow up, you few BYU fans with no class and a memory that ends in 1984. Thank you to all the BYU fans will class enough to congratulate the Utes and see that their success could be BYU's success in the future. Boo Hoo, keep crying, and try to get to a BCS game. Then, let's talk. At least three will be something to discuss. Good luck to your team next year.

Calling for all footbal fans... | 7:05 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

whether you're Utah, BYU, MWC, USC, UT or just college football fan, I am asking you to join me in not watching the Florida/OK game. Let BCS know that the system is bogus.

The national champion has already been decided --Utah.

SoCalUtahFan

BIG BAMA FAN | 7:21 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Just waned to tell the Utes and Ute fans that they had a great game and showed lot of class. The Utes out played BAMA and ya'll did something that other team have not been able to do; hit them in the mouth and they didn't respond back. Hope to see Utah again in a bowl game or maybe a home and home game. GREAT GAME, CONGRATS UTES Since I found this site I will keep up with the Utes and maybe become a fan?

Boo Hoo | 9:06 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

The Utes won a BCS bowl game. Stop the presses! The greatest team in Utah history, why stop there. They are the greatest team in football history. A Utah holiday, why not a National Holiday. The entire team should be bronzed and placed in the Smithsonian Institute. Give me a break.

Lets keep things in perspective. The Utes went undefeated which is great and very difficult to do - give them credit. However, keep in mind that all of their tough games were at home and they barely won two of them (Oregon State and TCU outlayed them and they needed miracles to win - but they won and hats off to them). They beat an Alabama team on a neutral field that never really recovered from their loss to Florida and was playing without their best player. How would the Utes have done without Brian Johnson.

Once the glow of this season wears off (by about mid season next year) the bandwagon Ute fans will return their stuff they bought on Saturday back to the closet.

As to the best Utah team - the 1984, 1996 and 2001 (pre Staley interview) BYU teams were better.

Frank at the Game | 9:47 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

What's missing from all this analysis is the fact Utah not only had to play against a pretty phenominal Bama team they also had to play against BSC umpires. The first half was resonably fair in the officiating, but in the second half the BSC vampires did everything in their power to rig the game, when they finally realized one of their precious BSC teams was on their way to losing. Calling Brian Johnson for intentionally grounding when his receiver was 5 feet from the ball; then neglecting to call Wilson for intentional grounding when his intentional grounding pass sailed passed the the sideline no where near a receiver was one of manny examples of the biased officiating in the 2nd half. So Utah ended up beating not only the Tide, but the referees, no small task. Way to go Kyle, and the No. 1 TEAM in the country. Utah rendered the Fiesta Bowl and the Orange Bowl as irrelevant. Those bowls are also rans, as was the Rose Bowl. The real champion was crowned in the Sugar Bowl.

Mike W | 10:10 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

2008 Utah Utes - National Champions... has a nice ring to it!

Boo Y Who? | 10:53 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

@ Boo Hoo:

STOP THE PRESSES!!! BYU almost won their third bowl game in a row, but not really even close!!!

How's your time machine set for 1984 coming along?

P.S. In a "re-building" year, you don't start off ranked #14, and return the majority of your starters on offense. How long is BYU going to be re-building anyway? Your argument of a "re-building" year also points to the fact that BYU is not a great team, great teams typically reload every year, sometimes have 2 respectable years then back to national prominence (USC, Florida, etc.) Utah has bookended a few respectable years with undefeated seasons and BCS wins. Including 8 straight bowl wins and the greatest season in Utah history.

Best years: 2008 Utah, 2004 Utah, 1996 BYU, 1984 BYU

Ute67 part 1 | 11:10 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

So I re-ask the question Brian Johnson asked right after the Sugar Bowl--"What do we have to do?" The BCS system is slanted to never allow a non-BCS school in the national championship game. In 2004, they said there were 4 undefeateds and that was why Utah did not play for the NC. This year there was only one and they still didn't get to play for it. In 2004, they said they didn't beat anybody important. This year, they beat 5 teams that were ranked and one that had the number one ranking longer than anyone else. Still no national championship. Play bigger teams? Texas cancelled a home and home with Utah right after the 2004 Fiesta Bowl because they saw the possibility of losing one or both of those games.

Here's the central problem. The BCS ranking gives more points for playing teams from BCS conferences. That perpetuates the current power structure, because, even if Utah could schedule a Texas or an Oklahoma, the BCS would say that we had only played one of those teams while those in the favored conferences played them all season long. (Look at some of their pre-season schedules--they are a joke!)

Ute 67 part 2 | 11:30 a.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Also, the eastern media writers don't think 11 man football is played outside the eastern and central time zones, just because it doesn't fit their TV schedules. So as long as those teams keep playing cupcakes in the pre-season and beating on each other in the regular season, the winners of those conferences will by definition end up in the NC game. To those who say that Utah hasn't been great for 25 years, that has absolutely no bearing on this year. Nebraska used to be a powerhouse, but is now relegated to second-tier bowls. Why can't a team move in the opposite direction?

So I ask again from anyone associated with the BCS conferences "What does a Utah have to do to win a national championship?" Wait for the year when all the SEC, Big 12, ACC, Pac-10 etc. teams all have 3 or 4 losses? Or would the winners of those conferences still be paired in the national championship game because they played a schedule defined by the BCS as tougher? I gotta tell you, if other teams from those conferences defend the pass the way Alabama did, they would not go undefeated in the MWC.

TrueCoug | 12:15 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

As a Cougar, and in the true spirit of athletic competition, I vote Utah Utes to be #1. They deserve to be NC! ...enough said!

Hey Boo Hoo | 12:26 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

But for a few lucky plays, Utah would have beaten BYU 7 in a row, instead of 5 out of 7. But I guess BYU was just rebuilding all those years. Plan on rebuilding for another decade, and without all of the best LDS recruits, many of which are going to Utah now. You had a nice run a few decades ago. Have fun continuing to be mediocre. No national stage for BYU since Edwards left. Nice job Bronco getting your team ready for big games. Your window is closing. Enjoy being Utah's little brother.

HEY | 1:16 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

i would like to agree that its neat to see byu fans being classy and sharing in the joy of this victory for the utes, the state of utah, and everyone who believes that collegiate sports should be based on fairness. I am both a byu and a utah fan and I must say I am as happy as I could be having two of the top team (not only in the mid majors but in all of college football) so close to home. Its amazing that a state with a such a small population as utah can be home to such great football! This truly is awesome! The economy sucks? Who cares we have something to cheer about here at home!

ESPN...Who? | 1:16 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

ESPN will tell you that the Utes only barely won several of their games, yet they beat Alabama (a very good team)by a larger margin than Florida the only other team to beat them. Then they say the caliber of teams that we play is weak? Oregon State beat USC (Their only loss) and we beat Oregon State. USC is crying they are the only good team out there. TCU was perhaps the best team we have played all year, and we beat them. BYU was a legitimate contender also. It's hard saying what the outcome would be without playing an actual game, but Boise is a top notch team also. The West has a number of powerhouses that could give ANY BCS team a good battle. So what does ESPN know? Nothing!

haha | 2:09 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

sugar bowl 2009>>>>>>>>>>>1984. Please don't compare the two. Go Utes!

Ute67 | 2:14 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Here's another thing that bugs me. Utah has to go undefeated just to make the BCS. None of the other teams in the BCS bowls had that pressure (or that accomplishment). And had Alabama been in the MWC, they would not have been in a BCS Bowl because they had a loss. And neither would USC, Ohio State, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Penn State etc. You get the point. Utes have the added pressure of having to be undefeated just to make the BCS. Meanwhile, LSU plays for and wins a NC with two losses!

Now if the MWC was an automatic BCS conference, they would have played for a NC this year and possibly in 2004 as well.

Ute 67 | 2:18 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

How would Utah do without Brian Johnson? Let's compare apples to apples. Utah lost one of its best linemen (Kemoueatou) to a knee injury before the season began! And still managed to go undefeated! Also, how would Smith's presence have changed the game when Utah was on offense and Alabama could not stop them!

Congrats from a So Cal Coug | 2:22 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I bleed blue, but my wife is a Ute.

I have to say that I was extremly impressed with the Ute's season. They prepared for ALL of their games... not just the Sugar Bowl. Their preparation for the 'Bama game was extraordinary. The scripted no-huddle offense no less than brilliant. The plays were so well executed, you could tell that the Ute players had worked extremely hard and were focused during practice.

As a Cougar fan, I was really disappointed in their preparation. I think the worst thing that happened to BYU was the complacency that seemed to follow the 59-0 shellacking of UCLA.

Memo to 2009 Cougars:

1) Make your statements by your actions, not some slogan on a tee-shirt to motivate other teams.

2) Demand excellence from the players. No sacred cows. If a player is not watching film then bench him ... activate a red-shirt if you have to.

3) Speed. Speed. Speed. Not all of it is genetic. Maybe instead of shorter practices, you could do more speed drills.

Congrats Utes!

Good luck BYU in 2009. I hope there is a higher sense of urgency this year.

Playoffs Needed | 3:03 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

this year screams for a playoff! Utah could probably take out any of the top 10 teams if they had the chance in a playoff. Unfortunately, because of the current BCS system, Utah has had 2 undefeated seasons and 2 top 5 finishes with no National Title to show for it. It's too bad for the Utes. Imagine how Awesome it would be if teams like Utah or BYU could have a chance to play for a National Title in a college football playoff.

Maybe down the road....

acc | 3:09 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I HAVE SEEN BETTER BOWL GAMES BUT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A CLASSIC GAME BUT HOW WOULD YOU FANS RATE THIS GAME? AND P.S. THE SEC IS NOT OVERRATED AND BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY BECAUSE US SOUTHERNS USE SPORTS FOR LIFE!

Cougar Fan In Texas | 3:13 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Congratulations, Utah, on a fantastic season. You deserve serious consideration for the #1 vote this year.

For those announcing Kyle Whittingham as the new genius and Bronco Mendenhall as the incompetent knave, just go back 1 year and the roles were reversed.

Both coaches have been in place for 4 seasons now. The teams are 2-2 against one another. BYU has won 5 more games against common opponents known as the MWC during that timeframe (27-5 for BYU, 22-10 for Utah).

Who knows what our perspectives will look like in another year from now, but to pronounce permament superiority or inferiority based on one season, as great as it was, is pretty short-sighted.

As a Ute fan... | 4:02 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

If the omnipotence of the SEC is questioned, it diminishes the win by our wonderful Utes. Ole Miss did stick it to Texas Tech which leads one to believe the SEC is still "THE" conference. If Florida (lead by a Utah man) beats up on Oklahoma, how much better does that look for Utah?

GO UTES!!!

2008 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!

13-0!!!

To Boo Hoo | 4:18 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Wow, I didn't realize Andre Smith played left tackle AND quarterback - now that's some serious talent! Does he block first, then hand off? What about the pass plays? Does he de-cleat the d-end and then drop back into the pocket? Talk about a speedy player!

C'mon, there's no way you can compare losing a lineman, even an All-America, to losing a QB. Oh wait - you're trying to justify Utah's losses in 07 and 06. Because we actually DID lose Johnson for a few games in those years, and the results are well-known. Maybe if Alabama had lost JPW instead of Smith, you could trot out your "what if the Utes lost Johnson" argument.

And what about everybody who's been saying the reason the teams from the SEC and Big 12 are so good is that there's little to no drop-off from their 1's to their 2's, whereas out here in the lil' ol' MWC, there's a huge drop-off in talent. Maybe they've been blowing smoke all this time, because it looked to me like Utah matched up pretty good with Alabama last Friday.

Admit it - you're just jealous of the Utes for doing what BYU couldn't!!

To Cougar Fan in TX | 4:40 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Your stats are accurate, but incomplete - is there a special reason for leaving out post-season results? Oh yeah, Bronco can't win the big games. Go over the records again and tell everyone what the records are against ranked teams and in bowl games, then let's talk some more.

MWC champs are tough | 5:01 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

Comparing teams across years is like the BCS comparing teams in the same year. Only the BCS has the option of letting teams play it out on the field.

I have no idea if the BYU team of 1984 could beat a Utah team from 2004, or if the Utah '04 team could beat the Utah '08 team. Being a fan I only believe my own biased opinion anyway. Utah was better than BYU in the early (no one cares years). BYU was better than Utah through the end of the 70's, throughout the 80's and most of the 90's (gaining the national spotlight). And now BYU and Utah are fighting to prove who is the best program in this decade, but that is still a toss up. See you in four years, Utah, when you are good again. But that's just fan talk.

BYU had as much claim to the national championship as anyone in 1984 and Utah has as much claim to the Busted Championship Series title in 2008 as anyone. That's how it played out on the field in those years, respectively.

how would | 5:14 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

utah do without brian johnson? why don't we ask the 2005 BYU team that very same question.

Anonymous | 5:35 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

LOOK AT OK WHO WOULD BLOW YOU AWAY JUST LIKE YOUR BASKETBALL GOT BEATEN BY OK AND BESIDES YOU WOULD LOSE

acc | 7:03 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

I AM HAPPY TO SEE GOOD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU GUYS BUT I HOPE YOU PLAY AN ACC OR BIG EAST TEAM. I THINK THE SEC HAD MORE CHALLINING GAMES

To to Cougar Fan in TX 4:40 pm | 8:04 p.m. Jan. 5, 2009

"Your stats are accurate, but incomplete - is there a special reason for leaving out post-season results? Oh yeah, Bronco can't win the big games."

First, thanks for proving the overall point of my post, albeit unwittingly.

Second, I left out all OOC results, not just bowl results. The reason for focusing on the MWC games is because they represent common opponents (as noted in my message, btw) within a given season, which is a fairer way to judge comparative strength than the overall schedules which are different outside of conference each year and year to year. Otherwise you'd have a moving target. If there are common OOC opponents within a given season, then by all means add those to the comparison (UCLA in 2007, for example).

I could also ask you, "is there a reason for leaving out the MWC records? Oh yeah, Kyle lost to UNLV and UNM (more than once), Wyoming, and Air Force? Can't Kyle beat the easy teams?", but that is not my point and would be a waste of time.

Your team had a great 2008. Enjoy.

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