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Dick Harmon: Utah Utes football: Flawless U. exposes flawed BCS bowl system
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Utefan | 9:29 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Wow Scott, you could not be more wrong. The NFL is more popular than ever, and
is the biggest ticket in sports. You think that no one talks about the NFL
regular season? They have an entire network dedicated to it. And look at last
season, if the BCS were running the NFL it would have been Cowboys vs. Patriots
in the SUperbowl. We would have missed one of the best football games of all
time. And the real world champions wouldn't have been able to even play in
that game. There never was a truer quote, "THAT'S WHY THEY PLAY THE
GAMES"
Tide Rolled | 9:32 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Roll Utes Roll
This win is way more impressive than BYU's 84 championship. Nobody can logically argue in favor of BYU's championship being "bigger" than #4 alababababamamama getting rolled with their 60,000 plus in attendance in N'orlans.
This win is way more impressive than BYU's 84 championship. Nobody can logically argue in favor of BYU's championship being "bigger" than #4 alababababamamama getting rolled with their 60,000 plus in attendance in N'orlans.
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WhoAmISir | 9:46 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
To the pundits and �experts� of
college football and to the
�over-enthusiastic� fans be they in
the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, ACC, PAC10, or Big East conferences with automatic BCS
bowl bids. To the nay sayers and down talking folks that the Mountain West
Conference and the Utah Utes were not legitimate and would get blown out in the
Sugar Bowl. To especially ESPN, and Jim Rome for the disrespect shown to the
Utah Utes this season we have two things for you.
First as gracious hosts we are serving up a large piece of HUMBLE PIE, along with a 64 ounce cup of CROW SOUP for all of you. Enjoy!
Second � The Utah Utes � THE ONLY 13-0 BOWL CAMPIONSHIP SERIES TEAM THIS YEAR. That deserves a #1 rating.
Who Am I Sir � A Utah Man Am I. GO UTES!
First as gracious hosts we are serving up a large piece of HUMBLE PIE, along with a 64 ounce cup of CROW SOUP for all of you. Enjoy!
Second � The Utah Utes � THE ONLY 13-0 BOWL CAMPIONSHIP SERIES TEAM THIS YEAR. That deserves a #1 rating.
Who Am I Sir � A Utah Man Am I. GO UTES!
I don't think so... | 9:49 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Gretzky. If the NCAA were to grow up and take control of their football,
instituting an inclusive playoff system, it would be the biggest event in all of
sport.
Look at March Madness, and that is basketball. Football is as much, much more popular spectator sport.
Look at March Madness, and that is basketball. Football is as much, much more popular spectator sport.
BYU Idaho | 10:01 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
lets see a 7-5 V tech gets $17,000,000 and cincy gets $17,000,000. Both will be
less than first place in the mtn west. Somethings wrong!!!! get rid of the BCS
go to a playoff!
Miss Football America | 10:00 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
the Miss America pageant, via polls and bowls, high jacked major college
football a long time ago
major college football produces a beauty contest winner, not a true national champion
major college football produces a beauty contest winner, not a true national champion
2008 National Champions | 10:05 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
In some obscure poll, Utah will win the national championship; if not, Utah
should create such a poll (the Utah fan poll, if necessary)
and then print a "2008 National Football Champion" banner to hang in RES.
and then print a "2008 National Football Champion" banner to hang in RES.
RE:BCS IS GOOD. | 10:11 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
I have been watching Montana play in this system for years and generally
speaking the best team emerges. Your brain needs checking if you think the BCS
can be tweaked . . . so you add MWC to the automatic bid, well what about the
years another conference produces a Utah? Ooops. The BCS stinks everyone knows
it, its very existence is to control the flow of money into the already rich
football programs. Total BS in my opinion.
Again if you really think the BCS is good, go see a doctor, the system stinks something awful.
Great article Dick.
Again if you really think the BCS is good, go see a doctor, the system stinks something awful.
Great article Dick.
What makes the regular | 10:15 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
season irrelevant for NCAA basketball is NOT the fact they have a tournament at
the end of the season but the conference tournaments. Get rid of those and the
basketball regular season becomes very important and every game becomes crucial
to both making the tournament and as a possible at large team.
In football I propose a 16-team play-off where all the Division I or whatever they call it now champions qualify. I think there are 11 of those conferences, have five at large teams and your tournament in set. It still makes the regular season very crucial because the only way your guaranteed into the tourney is to win your league or be good enough to be one of the five at large teams.
Again, the NCAA basketball people have made their regular season meaningless because they have these conference tournaments, not the NCAA tournament itself (which by the way is very exciting)...
In football I propose a 16-team play-off where all the Division I or whatever they call it now champions qualify. I think there are 11 of those conferences, have five at large teams and your tournament in set. It still makes the regular season very crucial because the only way your guaranteed into the tourney is to win your league or be good enough to be one of the five at large teams.
Again, the NCAA basketball people have made their regular season meaningless because they have these conference tournaments, not the NCAA tournament itself (which by the way is very exciting)...
Kristine | 10:26 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Re: Dick's comment, "Short of calling the BCS a fraud..."
Why is EVERYONE so afraid of truth? The BCS is a fraud. It was created to line the pockets of individuals and teams that "fit" it's credentials. They do not want to see teams like BYU, Utah, Boise State, or any future teams that will never meet their fraudulent standards receive ANY recognition.
Why is EVERYONE so afraid of truth? The BCS is a fraud. It was created to line the pockets of individuals and teams that "fit" it's credentials. They do not want to see teams like BYU, Utah, Boise State, or any future teams that will never meet their fraudulent standards receive ANY recognition.
Get real | 10:26 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
It is not about the best team or fairness. It is about money. The BCS university
presidents don't care about the No. 1 team in the nation and they
don't want to share the cash. Stop talking about a play off or other means
to determine the best team until you address the fundamental reason for the
present monopoly.
TucsonUte | 10:42 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
BYU helped create the BCS when the big boys figured out the old system still
allowed an outsider to win a national championship. Hopefully, Utah has brought
the BCS one step closer to its demise.
Thank goodness for the NCAA basketball tourney...can you imagine if the BCS types had their way with it? They would pick the "best" teams from the basketball BCS conferences with special computer rankings and have a playoff system like the NBA's. Teams like the 1998 Utah squad would not even make it to the big dance, let alone to the final.
Thank goodness for the NCAA basketball tourney...can you imagine if the BCS types had their way with it? They would pick the "best" teams from the basketball BCS conferences with special computer rankings and have a playoff system like the NBA's. Teams like the 1998 Utah squad would not even make it to the big dance, let alone to the final.
not important | 10:51 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Utah fans are making lots of noise for one game. Granted it was probably the
biggest game in the schools history, MWC history, and sadly
it�ll probably be the biggest game a team from the
conference will ever see again. I honestly don�t see how
Ute fans can make a claim for the
�big� game. If the Utes want to be
seriously considered for a chance at being #1, then the conference needs to get
�bigger� games throughout the season.
Wyoming (1-7), San Diego State (1-7), New Mexico (2-6), UNLV (2-6) These are
teams that hurt the chances of Utah from being considered for #1. Before Utah
fan can hoot and holler loud, they need to prove it by winning more than just
one �big� game a season. Give
�em bigger games more often, and when they beat those
opponents, then Utah has a claim to be considered for #1.
I don�t think any fan in the MWC would mind hosting �bigger� teams throughout the country. Stop the segregation and stop giving the MWC top 3 these mediocre non conference games: Michigan, Organ St, UCLA, and Washington. How about Georgia, LSU, Florida, Ole Miss, Texas, Texas Tech, USC, or Oklahoma.
I don�t think any fan in the MWC would mind hosting �bigger� teams throughout the country. Stop the segregation and stop giving the MWC top 3 these mediocre non conference games: Michigan, Organ St, UCLA, and Washington. How about Georgia, LSU, Florida, Ole Miss, Texas, Texas Tech, USC, or Oklahoma.
re: not important | 11:15 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
SEC and Big 12 teams like Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma and Texas
absolutely, will not, under any circumstances, schedule a home-and-home series
with Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State, or any other non-BCS team. It's one and
done at home, especially for SEC teams.
Alabama was scheduled to play BYU in a home-and-home a few years ago. The Crimson Tide CANCELLED their return visit to Provo after they barely beat the Cougars 38-31 at home.
Why should non-BCS schools be forced to constantly play at a disadvantage, that is, always on the road, in order to PROVE that they deserve to play with the "Big Boys"?
If the SEC and Big 12 are SOOOO superior, let their top teams prove it by visiting places like Salt Lake City, or Provo, or Boise once a year.
Otherwise, your argument is hollow and false. The top programs in the BCS conferences simply aren't that much better, if at all, than the top programs in the non-BCS conferences.
A 16-team playoff is the ONLY way to determine a TRUE national champion. It's put up or shut up time for the football elites. Make THEM prove themselves ON THE FIELD!
Alabama was scheduled to play BYU in a home-and-home a few years ago. The Crimson Tide CANCELLED their return visit to Provo after they barely beat the Cougars 38-31 at home.
Why should non-BCS schools be forced to constantly play at a disadvantage, that is, always on the road, in order to PROVE that they deserve to play with the "Big Boys"?
If the SEC and Big 12 are SOOOO superior, let their top teams prove it by visiting places like Salt Lake City, or Provo, or Boise once a year.
Otherwise, your argument is hollow and false. The top programs in the BCS conferences simply aren't that much better, if at all, than the top programs in the non-BCS conferences.
A 16-team playoff is the ONLY way to determine a TRUE national champion. It's put up or shut up time for the football elites. Make THEM prove themselves ON THE FIELD!
Mr Harmon... | 11:23 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Heck, Texas state championships are played by playoff - you have to play 5 or 6
games to win #1, and that's after your regular season. I think the upper
half of the top size division has around 250 teams in it...(sr. class over 900)-
Reliant stadium was a great ending to a run of awesome football every weekend
in November and December - colleges could do the same.
National Champ | 11:22 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
College football is missing the boat. As I have watched throught he years, the
team that is standing at the end undefeated is the champion. It doesn't
matter what they did last yea or the in the future. It doesn't matter what
they did 5 years ago or ten years ago. This is why we have different teams as
champions each year. As long as they play in Division 1 then they deserve the NC
if undefeated. Matters not who they play or where they play or what hteir record
is on the road or at home. The one team standing undefeated deserves the
championship. Congrats to Utah for proving that this year. Hope the AP is
watching.
Utah is Number 1 | 11:33 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Utah is number 1 because of their strength of schedule, not despite their
strength of schedule. With wins over teams from the Big-10, PAC-10, and the SEC
and an undefeated season in one of the top four conferences in the country,
including wins over TCU and BYU, Utah is the undisputed number 1 team in the
country. Any unbiased observer can see that undefeated is better than once
defeated.
Will the AP sportswriters have the courage to vote Utah the true number one?
Will the AP sportswriters have the courage to vote Utah the true number one?
Ryan Viertel | 11:48 a.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Go Utes!
Common Sense | 12:16 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Dear BSC Crybabies:
BCS schools are not better; they just try to monopolize bowls, titles, and recruting. They are only concidered better because some people are so blinded to think that a team that comes from a certain conference is better just because they belong to such. Utah could beat Florida, Oklahoma, USC, and Texas - not just because I say so - they can prove it, but if miopic BCS supporters keep supporting their fraud and monopoly, then the truth will never be known.
BCS schools are not better; they just try to monopolize bowls, titles, and recruting. They are only concidered better because some people are so blinded to think that a team that comes from a certain conference is better just because they belong to such. Utah could beat Florida, Oklahoma, USC, and Texas - not just because I say so - they can prove it, but if miopic BCS supporters keep supporting their fraud and monopoly, then the truth will never be known.
Cougar fan 1st - Ute fan 2nd | 12:26 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
After all the comments (valid) about the unfairness of the current college
football ranking protocol, one fact remains: the Utah win was GREAT, GREAT,
GREAT!
rsfarmerjd | 12:29 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
congrats to utah from a byu fan. I think the utah coaches completely out
coached the alabama ( coach of the year} group. the utah players dominated every
aspect of the game and positively deserve number one in the nation. bye the way
has anyone heard if the operation to get barry switzer's foot out of his
mouth was successful or not?
AustinC | 12:32 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Pro game so predictable. Scott is right on, after the super bowl, no debates who
the champion is... The season, however exciting, is soon forgotten. In the
college game the debate goes on for years and years. The seasons are never
forgotten.
Can't compare March Madness, football teams cannot play more than one game a week, unlike basketball where the same team can play multiple times in a weekend tournament.
The current system is better than a playoff... I realize most of the readers of this forum are Ute fans and are sore about the fact that either Florida or Oklahoma WILL BE "crowned" the national champion.
The folks in Austin think UT is number 1 too.... So we will end up with at least three sets of fans debating who is number 1... Florida/Oklahoma, Texas or Utah....
Playoff system would exclude too many teams because remember, the players are all students (well at least a few of the teams have real students). They don't have time to play games every week in December and study for finals. The real students that is.
Can't compare March Madness, football teams cannot play more than one game a week, unlike basketball where the same team can play multiple times in a weekend tournament.
The current system is better than a playoff... I realize most of the readers of this forum are Ute fans and are sore about the fact that either Florida or Oklahoma WILL BE "crowned" the national champion.
The folks in Austin think UT is number 1 too.... So we will end up with at least three sets of fans debating who is number 1... Florida/Oklahoma, Texas or Utah....
Playoff system would exclude too many teams because remember, the players are all students (well at least a few of the teams have real students). They don't have time to play games every week in December and study for finals. The real students that is.
Ron M | 12:37 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
The NCAA takes a position that they do not want players accepting
"MONEY" because it is unethical and jeopardizes the players armature
status. HMMMM... There seems to be a double standard here when it comes to
ethics... The NCAA and the BCS are about as unethically "MONEY"
driven as anyone.
As a parent, I understand that what I do rings so loudly in the ears of my kids that they can't here what I am saying... Time for the NCAA to grow up and lead ethically, from the front.
Armature competition needs to be fair and ethical (Play-off), unlike the BCS-mess that is ringing so loudly in our ears... I am not a proponent of our government playing parent either, but as long as the NCAA-B*S racket is in play, we may need a "government parent" to step in.
As a parent, I understand that what I do rings so loudly in the ears of my kids that they can't here what I am saying... Time for the NCAA to grow up and lead ethically, from the front.
Armature competition needs to be fair and ethical (Play-off), unlike the BCS-mess that is ringing so loudly in our ears... I am not a proponent of our government playing parent either, but as long as the NCAA-B*S racket is in play, we may need a "government parent" to step in.
re/Non-BCS crybabies | 12:53 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
TCU held Oklahoma to their lowest rushing total of the season AT Oklahoma, TCU
gave them some 1st quarter TD's, but after that 1st quarter TCU outplayed
Oklahoma. Oklahoma players and coaches ALL said TCU's D was the toughest
they face all season. So calling TCU decent is a joke. Let Utah play your
opinionated "tough Schedule" you speak of, and see what happens.
Who's to say any of the SEC teams could win the MWC??? Utah, BYU, and TCU
are all as good as ANYBODY!!! Air Force is not a bad team either. Its all
"IFs" But the FACT here is Utah is 13-0 and had a higher SOS than
Alabama. Anybody ever notice the SEC teams dont play ANYBODY in pre-season on
the road??? They ALL have 8 or 9 home games. Its a joke. They are a Joke. How
bout Good ol' Tennessee that got beat at home by Wyoming??? haha... Thats
one powerful conference. Bottom line, a bottom MWC team knocked off Tennessee,
one of your bottom teams, Utah, our top team KILLED and DESTROYED arguably your
best. Thats not an opinion. Thats FACT pal!
CGK | 12:57 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
This is a great and informative article. Thank you for reminding us that it is
in the "books" in black and white of what's really going on.
Congrats No. 3 Utah | 1:33 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
No doubt in my mind that Utah will end the season, after the final polls ranked
No. 3, and that's a little overrated. I can think of four teams who could
demolish them or any other non-BCS team on a neutral site: Florida, Oklahoma,
Texas, and USC. Just because Bama didn't come to play, lost their best
player, and got whipped by Utah doesn't mean that Utah deserves a shot at
the National Championship. They don't. It is because of your MWC buddies
BYU that we put this BCS in place to ensure that one of the best teams wins the
national championship and not some team who plays that tough September swing
against a 3-9 Michigan team, UNLV, Utah State (who?), Air Force, and that power
house Weber State. During the same time period Texas played this schedule in
order: Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech. So you might
want to talk to a one-loss Texas and explain to them how Utah is more deserving.
BYU didn't deserve it in 84, and now we have a system that will make sure
we have no more Bo Diddly Tech's winning the title. God bless the BCS.
Ernesto de Bajo | 1:53 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
The post, "Non-BCS crybabies", above is trying to make what point,
exactly? I've never seen so many non sequiturs piled onto a single plate of
spaghetti logic.
If there is an NCAA football playoff we shouldn't be surprised if some teams are there on a regular basis and some conferences are strongly represented in the field year after year. Getting rid of the BCS will not instantly change the college football landscape nor should it. The point is to move from a system of privledge to one of merit.
In the NCAA basketball tournament, the Dukes and North Carolinas are as ubiquitous as trees in the forest but the system also allows for the Gonzagas and George Masons (and Utah under Majerus) to break through.
Someone said, "Just 'fine-tune' the BCS and it will be just about right", and earlier in the same post said that the required tweak is to give the MWC an automatic bid. Now there is an approach to justice. Just move yourself from the abused camp to the abusers, then things will be right.
Of all places, sports is an arena where opportunity should be based on merit.
If there is an NCAA football playoff we shouldn't be surprised if some teams are there on a regular basis and some conferences are strongly represented in the field year after year. Getting rid of the BCS will not instantly change the college football landscape nor should it. The point is to move from a system of privledge to one of merit.
In the NCAA basketball tournament, the Dukes and North Carolinas are as ubiquitous as trees in the forest but the system also allows for the Gonzagas and George Masons (and Utah under Majerus) to break through.
Someone said, "Just 'fine-tune' the BCS and it will be just about right", and earlier in the same post said that the required tweak is to give the MWC an automatic bid. Now there is an approach to justice. Just move yourself from the abused camp to the abusers, then things will be right.
Of all places, sports is an arena where opportunity should be based on merit.
Responses to bad posts... | 1:56 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
To "Theeyepathch" @ 4:10 AM : You have it backwards, Switzer inherited
Jimmy Johnson's team.
TO "time to..." @ 1:41 AM : They have actually tried the BCS and Congress has determined that it is not a monopoly and that it is legal, but nice try
TO "wow" @ 7:30 AM : You said that "Given the time to prepare they could beat anyone". Well what if they were given just one week like everyone else who plays tough teams week in and week out in the Big 12, SEC, etc.? If they played Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech in consecutive weeks with only 6 days to prepare between games, my bet is that there would be two-three losses.
TO "time to..." @ 1:41 AM : They have actually tried the BCS and Congress has determined that it is not a monopoly and that it is legal, but nice try
TO "wow" @ 7:30 AM : You said that "Given the time to prepare they could beat anyone". Well what if they were given just one week like everyone else who plays tough teams week in and week out in the Big 12, SEC, etc.? If they played Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech in consecutive weeks with only 6 days to prepare between games, my bet is that there would be two-three losses.
you dont understand | 1:59 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
you cant have conference champions as automatic bids to a playoff. So Tulsa or
Eastern Carolina would automatically get in over a number two in conference
Florida? Alabama? Texas? PSU? No. A sixteen team playoff with the spots being
decided on by computer polls and ap voting is the most fair way to determine the
best team. it leaves a sixteen team room for error for the polls in case some of
the teams are overrated etc. Utah is just as good as any team right now, but
lets not forget how dominate these other conferences still are, automatic bids
to conference champions would be more corrupt than our current system.
Info man | 2:30 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Too many stars have to line up for a non BCS team to have a shot at a NC. You
not only need to be ranked in the top 15 but your competition needs to succeed
also. Take for instance if TCU would have beaten OU then that would have set up
TCU, BYU and of course UTAH for a NC run. At that point the undefeated team
would have a better shot at an NC run. But then maybe not. Like I said, too many
stars have to line up!!
I hope to live long enough to see a college football playoff!
I hope to live long enough to see a college football playoff!
The Long Road | 2:54 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Lets Review who the utes beat outside of their conference and how well that team
did on their season
Michigan in the BIG 10; 3-9 on the season
Oregon State in the PAC 10, 8-4 on the season
Utah State in the WAC 3-9 on the season
Weber State in the BIG SKY 10-4 on the season- did not play a ranked team other than Utah
#4 Alabama in the SEC WEST 12-2 on the season�Very Impressive win.
Utah only played one ranked team outside of their conference, #4 Alabama (Oregon state was not ranked when they played the Utes), the other ranked teams the Utes played were; then #12 TCU and then #14 BYU.
What type of schedule is this to be considered for the National Championship?
Going undefeated is impressive; the utes fought a long and hard journey. With 4 games they won by 3 points or less. And they beat 3 ranked teams.
Michigan, Utah state, Wyoming, San Diego state, New Mexico are teams that were not very impressing this season. Weber State had a good season, but who wouldn�t with their schedule? Why do the Utes deserve a shot at the National Championship game again?
Michigan in the BIG 10; 3-9 on the season
Oregon State in the PAC 10, 8-4 on the season
Utah State in the WAC 3-9 on the season
Weber State in the BIG SKY 10-4 on the season- did not play a ranked team other than Utah
#4 Alabama in the SEC WEST 12-2 on the season�Very Impressive win.
Utah only played one ranked team outside of their conference, #4 Alabama (Oregon state was not ranked when they played the Utes), the other ranked teams the Utes played were; then #12 TCU and then #14 BYU.
What type of schedule is this to be considered for the National Championship?
Going undefeated is impressive; the utes fought a long and hard journey. With 4 games they won by 3 points or less. And they beat 3 ranked teams.
Michigan, Utah state, Wyoming, San Diego state, New Mexico are teams that were not very impressing this season. Weber State had a good season, but who wouldn�t with their schedule? Why do the Utes deserve a shot at the National Championship game again?
One Dimensional | 2:54 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Utah has proven that they can stop one dimensional teams. There is no way they
could stop the run AND pass of Florida or Oklahoma and that is why those two
teams are in the national championship game and Utah is not. Alabama is
run-dimensional and w/o 40% of their o-line they were trying to pass. BYU became
pass-dimensional and Utah stopped that very well. TCU is non-dimensional on
offense and the Utes had one good drive in the game (when it counted they
deserve credit for that). The Utes are good we don't know how good but I
don't see them stopping two-dimensional powerhouses.
info man | 2:58 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Re: Sammy.
And one is not good enough. Fla, OU, Ut, Tex, TCU, USC could all run the table in a playoff. With your reasoning, Utah would not have had an opportunity to play for a NC this year (#6) And BSU, Utah would not have had the chance to play for a NC in 04 and 06. Too many great teams, so closely matched.
A playoff is the ONLY WAY TO HAVE A LEGIT #1
And one is not good enough. Fla, OU, Ut, Tex, TCU, USC could all run the table in a playoff. With your reasoning, Utah would not have had an opportunity to play for a NC this year (#6) And BSU, Utah would not have had the chance to play for a NC in 04 and 06. Too many great teams, so closely matched.
A playoff is the ONLY WAY TO HAVE A LEGIT #1
Re: The long road | 3:13 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Uh how many national ranked teams did USC, Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida and Texas
play "outside of their own conference"?
Utah - 2
USC - 2
Texas - 0
Oklahoma - 1
Alabama - 1
Florida - 0
Just because teams are ranked in your conference does not make them bad teams.
Utah - 2
USC - 2
Texas - 0
Oklahoma - 1
Alabama - 1
Florida - 0
Just because teams are ranked in your conference does not make them bad teams.
RE: the long road | 3:38 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Oklahoma will have played 7 ranked teams 3 of them being ranked higher than #10
Florida will have played 6 ranked teams 4 of them being ranked higher than #10.
Texas Tech played 5 ranked teams 2 of them ranked higher than #10
Texas will have played 5 ranked teams 4 of them ranked @ #10 and higher
Oklahoma State played 5 ranked teams 4 of them ranked higher than #10
Alabama played 5 ranked teams 4 of them ranked higher than #10
USC played 4 ranked teams 2 of them ranked higher than #10
Penn State played 4 ranked teams 2 of them ranked higher than #10
Utah played 3 ranked teams 1 of them ranked higher than #10
Like it or not, Utah did not have a schedule as tough as the other contenders for the NC game. They did have an excellent season, but what if Florida or Texas or Penn State played the exact same season? Then What
Florida will have played 6 ranked teams 4 of them being ranked higher than #10.
Texas Tech played 5 ranked teams 2 of them ranked higher than #10
Texas will have played 5 ranked teams 4 of them ranked @ #10 and higher
Oklahoma State played 5 ranked teams 4 of them ranked higher than #10
Alabama played 5 ranked teams 4 of them ranked higher than #10
USC played 4 ranked teams 2 of them ranked higher than #10
Penn State played 4 ranked teams 2 of them ranked higher than #10
Utah played 3 ranked teams 1 of them ranked higher than #10
Like it or not, Utah did not have a schedule as tough as the other contenders for the NC game. They did have an excellent season, but what if Florida or Texas or Penn State played the exact same season? Then What
Re: Congrats No. 3 Utah | 3:43 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
1) Before last night, you (and your LI mind) probably thought Utah had no chance
against Alabama --just like they have no chance against Florida, OK, Texas and
USC
2) One-loss Texas is less deserving because Texas had their chance but they lost to Texas Tech (11-2) who also lost to Mississippi. One-loss Florida also lost to unranked Mississippi. One-loss USC should not have a case now that Utah beat Alabama --USC lost to OSU which lost to Utah. OK is the only one-loss team that have an argument --but it will not if it loses to Florida.
3) One-loss teams are like A- students. They had a bad day and did not do well in one exam. Unbeaten team like Utah is like straight-A student --they did well in all exams. Remind you that Utah's exams are as tough --Utah beat OSU, TCU, BYU, and Alabama.
BTW, LI = lack of intelligence.
SoCalUtahFan
2) One-loss Texas is less deserving because Texas had their chance but they lost to Texas Tech (11-2) who also lost to Mississippi. One-loss Florida also lost to unranked Mississippi. One-loss USC should not have a case now that Utah beat Alabama --USC lost to OSU which lost to Utah. OK is the only one-loss team that have an argument --but it will not if it loses to Florida.
3) One-loss teams are like A- students. They had a bad day and did not do well in one exam. Unbeaten team like Utah is like straight-A student --they did well in all exams. Remind you that Utah's exams are as tough --Utah beat OSU, TCU, BYU, and Alabama.
BTW, LI = lack of intelligence.
SoCalUtahFan
Your brain is one dimensional | 3:42 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Waaaa waaaa my best player is an O lineman and thats why we lost. Did you
suspend your Defense also? And as for the argument of Utah not being able to
compete with Fla, OU, It's just talk. You make the case for a playoff
with the statement of "The Utes are good we don't know how
good".
Your arguments are as weak as your brain.
Your arguments are as weak as your brain.
Playoffs hurt College Football | 3:46 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
What makes college football so great is that every game counts. If a team wants
to be number 1 they have to play great ever week. There is no redemption for
losing to Stanford, or Iowa, or Oregon State. You have to win every time if you
want to be the champ.
Small Bowl games (like the New Mexico Bowl and even the Vegas Bowl to some extent) give many teams the chance to play one extra game - to celebrate their accomplishments even if the team came up short of the ultimate prize. While losing a few of these games (seriously, what is the New Mexico Bowl all about?) would help the sport overall and stop diluted talent (6-6 teams) from post season berths - the Bowl game traditions are an essential part of College Football History.
A formate that eliminates the tradition of other non bcs-bowl games is not healthy for the game. A playoff system that diminishes the importance of the regular season also harms the game. When was the last time anyone cared about regular season basketball? If a playoff system is implemented it needs to be done so that traditions are still recognized.
Small Bowl games (like the New Mexico Bowl and even the Vegas Bowl to some extent) give many teams the chance to play one extra game - to celebrate their accomplishments even if the team came up short of the ultimate prize. While losing a few of these games (seriously, what is the New Mexico Bowl all about?) would help the sport overall and stop diluted talent (6-6 teams) from post season berths - the Bowl game traditions are an essential part of College Football History.
A formate that eliminates the tradition of other non bcs-bowl games is not healthy for the game. A playoff system that diminishes the importance of the regular season also harms the game. When was the last time anyone cared about regular season basketball? If a playoff system is implemented it needs to be done so that traditions are still recognized.
College Athlete | 3:51 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
I love playing sports more than most anything else, but I'm also going to
college to get an education. I can only imagine how many weeks a playoff system
would take. I'm a STUDENT athlete. I'm a student first and an
athlete after class. It's hard enough juggling my coursework during my
season. I look forward to my off-season semesters when I have more time to
study and miss far fewer classes.
Give us a break.
Give us a break.
SEC wussies | 4:49 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Kiss it SEC.
Ernesto de Bajo | 5:00 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
"...the Bowl game traditions are an essential part of College Football
History" --from the weak post, "Playoffs hurt College Football"
| 3:46 p.m.
Yes they are. The bowl games are history. They fit as history but they do not belong to the future.
Sometime in the (not too distant, I hope) future our children or their children will learn about the bowl games at grandpa's knee and they will sound as quaint as placing a telephone call by rotating a dial or traveling in a large hydrogen airship.
We will not miss the bowl games when they are gone. More likely, we will wonder what took us so long to have the surgery and get well.
Yes they are. The bowl games are history. They fit as history but they do not belong to the future.
Sometime in the (not too distant, I hope) future our children or their children will learn about the bowl games at grandpa's knee and they will sound as quaint as placing a telephone call by rotating a dial or traveling in a large hydrogen airship.
We will not miss the bowl games when they are gone. More likely, we will wonder what took us so long to have the surgery and get well.
Mike Nicholes | 6:02 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
BCS is a fraud and a joke. I'ts all about money and power; no matter the
sport. BCS should be banned, not the teams that are undefeated.
Re: Non BCS crybabies. | 7:23 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
If those teams are better than utah why are they so afraid to schedule a game
with them? When USC played Utah the last time who won that game??? Until one of
your poser teams comes out and beats utah you can just shut the heck up.
Maddog | 7:41 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Utah...thanks for a wonderful season! Break out the beer and champaine and lets
keep the party going! It's an accomplishment un rivaled by any other Non
BSC team. They all should be grateful to the Utes for stiring up college
football as well as gaining a healthy amount of cash.
A lot of fun | 7:51 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
Watching Utah confound the so called "experts" was so much fun.....
The BSC stinks and everyone knows it. Even the "experts". Ohio State
will get clobbered for the third year in a row in the Fiesta Bowl. VT and
Cinncy....come on. Too bad that it will never change.
re: Non-BCS crybabies | 8:33 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
here we go again. i bet you were one of the pundits who said utah didn't
have a chance against alabama. tell me something, why does the big east have an
automatic berth? south florida barely a decade old d-1a program, and then
louisville, u-conn., and cinn., barely removed from a non-bcs conference. are
these teams better now? yes! you now why? recruiting advantages from being
associated with an illegal monopolized system such as the bcs parallel to your
florida, usc, texas schools. the coaches at bcs schools tell a wide eyed
blue-chipper "i'm from a bcs school" which may not be the
clincher but a non-bcs coach does not stand a chance at recruiting against the
bcs.
re: Whatev. | 8:56 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
you don't get-it, do you? it's not about who beat whom, it's
about utah going undefeated against top ranking programs one of which was
considered a nc. how the heck do YOU tell an undefeated team they are not
worthy of a nc stature?
awsomeron | 8:59 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
I do not want to spend much time on this.
If you want to have a true champ then you are going to have to have a playoff system as in Basketball.
Right now you have a bunch of guys appointing someone as National Champion. Which may or may not be legit.
A perfact Season at what ever level means just that a perfect season.
You have to take the Conference Winners and Ties and have a playoff. The Bowl Games can be part of this.
This Year in Hawaii we had Two Teams that did not belong in a Bowl Game. However it Filled the stands and both sides and Hawaii made a whole lot of money and we had a great deal of fun.
I have not had much fun from the Election till Now but that game was a whole lot of fun.
If you want a true champ and I assure you I do not care either way, (but not in a mean way), then you must have a playoff. Start with what ever number, till you get down to two then the winners the Champ.
Can anyone say Superbowl.
If you want to have a true champ then you are going to have to have a playoff system as in Basketball.
Right now you have a bunch of guys appointing someone as National Champion. Which may or may not be legit.
A perfact Season at what ever level means just that a perfect season.
You have to take the Conference Winners and Ties and have a playoff. The Bowl Games can be part of this.
This Year in Hawaii we had Two Teams that did not belong in a Bowl Game. However it Filled the stands and both sides and Hawaii made a whole lot of money and we had a great deal of fun.
I have not had much fun from the Election till Now but that game was a whole lot of fun.
If you want a true champ and I assure you I do not care either way, (but not in a mean way), then you must have a playoff. Start with what ever number, till you get down to two then the winners the Champ.
Can anyone say Superbowl.
BCS | 9:05 p.m. Jan. 3, 2009
I think that the name of the monopoly is Bowl Championship Series is ironic.
Where is the Series?
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same old ridiculous, tired argument to maintain the status quo
two words: MARCH MADNESS
a 16-team major college football playoff with every conference champion and the next 5 highest ranked teams and all teams seeded according final rankings...
would DWARF March Madness!!!
And is the only true way of determining a legitimate National Champion.
Scott and all the other anti-playoff hacks know it; but, they keep dragging out the same old, tired, completely ridiculous arguments, that "controversy" is somehow more exciting than actually deciding a championship on the field.
Scott, and others like him, would be laughed to scorn if they tried using this argument for any other sport on the planet.