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BLM oil and gas lease sale 'criminal,' Redford says

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B'Rad | 8:54 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Redford is the definition of environmentalist 'Someone who already has his cabin'. He destroys the backside of Timp yet puffs out his chest on whatever the latest SUWA or Sierra Club propaganda is. I wonder how he plans to power that resort he runs since he doesn't want coal (he helped lock up the cleanest burning coal in the world with Clinton), he doesn't want Hydro Electric (as he wants to drain Powell, only after he moved his houseboat to Mead) and now he doesn't want any oil exploration. Maybe he has some current bushed up their at sundance that he plugs into.

Keep in mind that most of the existing roads around Moab that we all enjoy to see the area were built by miners, to DRILL for uranium, and to go to their mines, and the area is still presteen. It can be done responsibly. Go back to sleep Redford or put your money where your mouth is and return Timp to it's natural state you hypocrite!!!!
a utah resident | 9:00 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I have worked in Dinosaur National Park, Desolation and Grey canyons, Nine Mile Canyon, Arches and Canyonlands National Park and Grand Canyon for over 10 years. ( not as a ranger).
I have watched the changes and impacts. They are real. Just as real as the past plan to dam the Grand Canyon was for irrigation and power.
Three dams to be exact. How would Americans feel if the Grand Canyon was now a lake with a bath ring. Because we preserved it, we have a world renowned National Park.
Have the people that are commenting really know WHERE they are talking about? We have MILLIONS of oil producing leases already in place that we are not even drilling yet! Drill those first and then see if we need to drill our national park boundaries. The effects are irreversible. Drive Nine Mile Canyon to enjoy one of Americas scenic byways rich with archaeological artifacts and beauty. If you stop to enjoy, watch out for the gas and oil work trucks. They are BIG and moving fast!

Thinkin' Man | 9:05 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
What's criminal is the dire straits extreme environmentalists have put the U.S. in. By opposing all economical domestic energy development, they have enriched the OPEC countries and put money in hostile hands, all while stifling jobs and economic development in the U.S. Existing oil and gas development in Utah has a very small and temporary environmental footprint.

And would everyone please stop confusing scenery with ecology!
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k | 9:11 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Who cares what a celebrity thinks?
owen meany | 9:10 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
If it were not for citizens like Robert Redford who use their celebrity to speak out about issues that really matter, this country would be in even worse shape (as if it could get any worse). Eight years of Bush and his sheeple have put us near the brink. I admire Redford's attempt to save some of the planet for our kids and grand-kids. Utah the FAMILY state?.....HA.
ACE | 9:15 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I couldn't care less about Redford, but if he can use his Hollywood popularity to stop a federal lease sale of Utah lands, then I say go for it. Whether its for oil drilling or anything else, anytime you loose control of anything to the federal govt, you loose part of your freedom. Where's Romney and Huntsman and some other big names to help save our state?
Anonymous | 9:15 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
The difference between an environmentalist and anyone else is the environmentalist already has his ski resort. The rest want to build one.

What a hypocryte.

I like what one poster said. If you think their is a better way of transportation, then figure it out. Don't tell everyone their is with no solution.

Plus. Oil is used for everything not just transportation. Even if every car ran on electricity. we still MUST have oil.

The funny thing is, you call oil polution. Hey it is already in the ground so the earth was poluted before we got here. were just simply moving it around a bit.

Anonymous | 9:15 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Redford fought widening the highway up Provo Canyon too. But it finally happened and is so much better now. He's just another spoiled, over-paid actor who wants everyone but him to cut back.
Mike | 9:21 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Redford talking about this is like Marie Osmond giving marriage advise.

When Redford closes Sundance, restores the land to its prior undeveloped condition, then I might listen to him. Until then, he is just another bag of wind expelling greenhouse gases (from both directions) and adding to the so called "global warming".
Redford is the elite rich | 9:21 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Wouldn't it be nice to not worry about paying your bills. Go back to LA and breath deep Bobby!
Hmmm | 9:25 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Did Redford fly on a private jet to Washington to make this announcement?

Has anyone here paid the extremely high cost to ski at Sundance?

Robert Redford - Extremist - hypocrite - (need I go on?)

If you ask me, and a whole lot of other people, to not use our own resources, including gas, oil, wind, nuclear etc., is tantamount to being criminal in its own right.
Meddling outsider! | 9:27 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Robert Redford's headline seeking concern for the environment is dramatically less when it comes to building a ski resort on a Utah mountain, or dragging thousands of self-adoring Hollywood types to Park City every year. (Both enterprises consume vast quantities of energy just to get their rich participants to these quaint locations in the hick state of Utah.

He should mind his own business, and since he is so set against energy development, he should instantly cut his power line connections and make his own energy.

The only thing worse than a delusional, irrational environmental freak is a rich, arrogant environmental freak.

Stay in Kalifornia, Mr. Sundance!
wow | 9:31 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I'm surprised Mr. Redford didn't build a house on this land before throwing a hissy fit about damaging the environment and forbidding others to do as he has done.
Linda Rowe | 9:33 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
It would be nice to preserve all the wild lands in this country. However, in order to no longer depend on the OPEC countries for oil, I strongly believe that we MUST use our own oil supplies in order to survive economically.
0802 | 9:37 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I think the bigger question is why the entire country gets to decide what happens to land in our state? I don't think these leases should be decided on by any federal authority. This debate should be happening in the Utah legislature and voted on by the people of Utah.
Rebecca M | 9:44 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I find it very hard to believe that anyone with half a brain can disagree with Mr. Redford on this subject. Are you all so incredibly short sighted as to think this is a good idea?
Outsider | 9:47 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
So much deception and slight of hand - Is Redford talking about the BLM or about the organizations he affiliates with? Last time I checked, Hollywood had no respect for Utah or anything related with the State. Just becuase he has his film festival here Redford believes he has a stake in the state? Last time I checked, he wasn't going to help out with the tax basis of our state. Let him start giving his money to the State of Utah to help me lower my energy bill, pay for my roads, and light my house . . . then I might believe his words are credible.
Randall | 9:49 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Redford is one of the biggest charlatans around.

He has the audacity to preach environmental preservation and wilderness land conservation?

Are you aware that the Sundance Management Group is presently planning and negotiating a monumental development project for Sundance Resort (tarnishing much of Redford's so-called "beloved 6,000 acres of untamed, unspoiled wilderness" all in the pursuit of commercial gain)?

His struggling catalog and decadent stores are filled with high-priced merchandise intended only for the wealthy and elite, yet he pretends to be some kind of champion of the poor.

Moreover, this quack has the unmitigated gall to insult a large majority of the people in the State of Utah (people who have been very good to Mr. Redford and his diverse commercial interests over the years), then turns around and orders one of his cronies to propose significant State funding of his not-so-gay-friendly picture show festival (ignorantly and mistakenly covered under the "arts" section) so his corporation can recoup any diminished financial returns expected this year.

Mr. Redford ought to stick to what he does best, making bad movies that nobody's interested in anymore.

Randall, SLC
TO: Drill now; save money 8:23am | 9:47 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Life really is that simple, only if you are a simpleton.
dahops | 9:51 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
My first instinct would be to discredit Mr. Redford, but I think that his history has shown he has done so well by his own efforts. Those who seem to have resonance with his annual rants would never listen to the rest of us anyway.

The lives of many have been held hostage by special interests who purport to be looking out for our children's future by not managing our natural resources in favor of becoming enslaved to forces (of evil) outside of the this nation. These forces do not have any qualms about exploitation of their own natural resources and as a result have obtained power over us and our children for the forseeable generation. We have the power to control our own destiny, but have forfeited that power to others through and have submitted that power due to the influence of special interests, like Mr. Redford. He is not a voice crying in the wilderness; he is crying for the wilderness that we will become.

Choose Freedom over enslavement. These things can be managed and we must hold corporations (the boogeyman) accountable, but you don't through out the baby with the bathwater.
Michael | 9:52 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Redford is right. The Bush administration has displayed a contempt for nature and conservation. We can and should devlop some oil and gas on public lands, but we should consider other values as well. And there is no positive benefit in trying to develop every drop of oil now. The Bush policies (giving the highest priority in public land management to oil and gas development) also shows contempt for our children and grandchildren If we develop everything now, we leave nothing for them (other that the debt that the Bush administration has run up).

The long-term answer, in any case is that we need to wean off our dependence on fossil fuels and move towards renewables and electric and hybrid vehicles. Obama will move us in this direction and this nation will lead the world into the new energy economy- spelled out quite well in Thomas Friedman's "Hot, Flat and Crowded".
Laura Wardle | 9:52 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I am sick and tired of the news media and Desert News giving headlines to just one side of the story. The arches will come down no matter what we do. So much of our state is federal lands and I believe we need to use the resources we have been given to provide for our needs. Drilling would not only address our dependence on foreign oil it would help our tax base and bring in more jobs. We need money for our schools and roads etc. Redford wants it all, the whole state to be a national park and money to support his film festival. I have been very impressed with the small footprint that the oil companies are making when they drill. I believe we can still enjoy the beauties of our state and admire the amazing technologies of today as it strengtens our country by keeping our money here. Unfortunately we are unable to properly fund the parks we have. The quarry at Dinosaur National Mounument (a great educational tool) is closed. If we don't use our resources we cannot fund what we have.
Realist | 10:00 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Drill here, drill now!

Drill Baby Drill!

Let the Middle East, Venezuela, and all the other "Oil Funded" terrorist go pound sand!

Drill in UT, Drill in Alaska....self-sufficiency I say.
Wake up Conservative Utah | 10:04 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
You republican "con"-servatives are all alike. All this criticism over Robert Redford and his environmental actions. The real criticism should be directed towards the greedy Bush administration and how this lame duck president is passing out oil leases like candy.

Why no use the current oil leases FIRST before handing out new ones to Bush's wealthy republican business buddies?

Wake up Utah.
Moultrie | 10:08 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I live in the South and I despise the way the Left with their Big Lies has infiltrated and destroyed so many popular movements, the Environment, Education, Labor, Politics and have poisoned these areas of nation discourse to the point of irrationally and almost no way for consensus. Robert redford and Al Gore are 2 of the most rabid hypocrites and both deserve to be ridiculed for their idiotcy. I'm happy to see that many posters here have not drunk the Lefty kool-aid, it's poison!
SacDave | 10:25 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Wrong spokesman. He would land his helicopter at Timpview so he didn't have to drive the canyon when I was younger. He protested widening the canyon road and putting in the tunnel as being hard on the groundwater. But he shut up when he was caught dumping raw sewage from the resort onto the ski slopes.

There are compromises to be made. Ecology is one. But there are other factors, including ending energy dependence and buying time until there are alternatives. There is now demand and profit to be made from alternatives so American ingenuity and the profit factor will bring these about quicker than any government or enviromentalist mandate. And if you don't believe in profits being a motivator, look no farther than any prominent enviromentalist. None are living off the land without purse or script.
Duh | 10:37 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Robert Reford and his ilk have a wish to turn this country to a third world country if they can.
Pooh Bear | 10:40 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Hey Guys, It's not nice to be picking on Robert Redford, after all, he's made UTAH a better place for everyone to live in. He has made Utah what it is today. And he loves all the little forest animals, they are his little buddy's.
utahboni | 10:41 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
In response to "Moultrie", I lived in the south for 10 years and I saw first hand what ignorance of the fragility of the environment results in. I lived in a house in the country where the aquifer was contaminated with Dioxin. Many of my neighbors could not afford city water, so they drank the well water in spite of warnings. Those that did were sick and dying from various forms of cancer. Ignorance will not save you from a devastated environment. What you can't see and can't smell can hurt you.
spackman is a leftist shill | 10:55 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
i think Redford is a criminal and should be imprison until he shuts down all his operations and home in Utah and donates the land to the park service. The leftist like to use the legal system to enforce their world view
Spackman only see one side | 10:57 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
He always researchs well the leftist side and ignores all other arguments.
avid desert hiker | 11:03 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Mr Redford suffers from rank hypocrisy. He decries any sort of development of anything, wildly exxagerating the real impact of that development, from his own ski/summer resort built on formerly pristine mountain land. The anti-oil drilling at all costs crowd disingenuously distorts the real impacts of responsible fossil fuel development while substituting sound bites and slogans for truth. The reality is that, even with maximum funding and effort, we are decades away from being able to eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels with renewable energy sources. In the meantime our economic well-being and entire way of life hinges on ample supplies of oil/gas/coal. The only way to obtain that oil, with all the easy deposits already tapped, is to explore and drill. This development can be done responsibly with minimal environmental impact. This is not an either/or decision. Yes, we should aggressively pursue renewable energy sources to ultimately reduce/eliminate dependence on oil. Yes, in the meantime, we must continue to pursue more deposits of oil (exploration and drilling). Yes, oil exploration can be done without compromising the environment, even in sensitive areas.
Bear Rug | 11:03 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
C'mon Bob. What are you talking about. When I drive the Alpine Loop, I see a place where old growth forests have been ripped down to make way for ski runs. I see Lodges, and exclusive shops built right in the middle of what used to be the Timpanogos Wilderness Area. You, Mr. Redford, are a hypocrite. How dare you speak-out against ANY wilderness/BLM initiative, while owning a resort that has resulted in the destruction of natural habitat for deer, elk, cougars, etc. I guess I should forgive you though. It's your rear-end speaking, your mouth knows better. Go save something else. I never liked your movies anyway!
What? | 11:06 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Isn't Redfords ski resort right in the middle of the National Forest?
Gig | 11:09 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I love all the rants and raves. All you whiners out there who demonize Redford. At least he cares about the future of our land and is someone who has fought for over 40 years for a better Utah. Get out of your SUV's and Malls and explore this wonderful state and not from your houseboat on Lake Powell. Bush is capping off disastrous presidency with shoes thrown at him and oil leased to his oil buddies at the entrances to our National Parks. "National" Parks are for all Americans and not just Utahns.
John M | 11:12 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
To: Wake Up Conservative Utah

You "Lie"berals are as predictable as you are ignorant. I will explain this to you in a way that I hope even you and your ilk can understand.

Our economy and our basic society requires energy. We can either depend on the Middle East, Venezuela and Russia who you might by shocked to learn don't love us OR we can produce our own.

We can secure our national economy or leave it to chance. I doubt this message will sink in because you and many others like you have been brain-washed by "Lie"beral college professors but at least I tried.
Re "Anonymous | 2:18 p.m." | 11:15 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
What does BUSH have to do with this???

You say, "Wow! Looks like Bush is going to do a 'Clinton' on us before leaving office, only at the other end of the spectrum".

This is not a "Clinton move". Clinton's move was an executive order without even consulting Utah's congressional delegation or local leaders. THIS is a local BLM decision (BUSH IS IN NO WAY INVOLVED)!

Your equation is lame.

Your constant attempts to make EVERYTHING that happens into a "Bush caused issue" are going to have to end someday. Who's going to be your boogey-man when he's gone?
Piglet | 11:13 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Oh my, Utah has sooooooooooooooooo many trolls. How could Deseret News be so lucky as to have so many? Mr. Redford is also a troll, and the kind of troll that story books write about, who live in the dark green forests who jump out when you are not looking and eat innocent little things. He has nothing better to do in his old age then to hideout at Sundance and create environmental problems.
Film Festival | 11:28 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
This will probably be the last year of the film festival in Utah. You better be nice he will take his weird festival and go somewhere else. With all the gays and Lesbians boycotting Utah, there will be no one to watch the bizzare things he calls films.
Aloha Joe | 11:30 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Redford and his "friends" live a life of comfort - they could care less about the other 90% - just so long as they have their playgrounds at the expense of the rest of us. They are such extremists nothing would progress in this country with their selfishness. Can we run him out of the state already. Paul Newman was an honorable man who should be an example to other stars on how to use their celebrity - Redford is really annoying.
Aaron | 11:29 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Robert Redford looks like a catcher's mitt. Environmentalist are morons, look at corn ethanol and the problems that created. How about global warming, the earth is cooling every year. The temperatures are now at 1992 levels and dropping. Go read the book State Of Fear by the great late Crichton.
Joe | 11:30 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
What an idiot Redford is. Makes you wonder about people who hate what made America great. Why don't they just move to a country that would appreciate them. Like North Korea or China.
To Utah Resident | 9:00 | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
You may be a Utah resident, but I'll be you're a NY or CA native.
Anonymous | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
This is criminal. This should not happen. Do all you jokers who support this on here really want Utah to continue to be looked at as Americas Wasteland? We should not even consider that some of the more special places in this country be torn up and polluted to dig up oil. What we really should be doing is stepping up and focusing on the next generation of renewable energy.

Message to the Government: If you haven't seen it leave it alone! If you don't know what you are wanting to destroy, then you probably shouldn't let it even cross your mind. Remember that Karma is a B. Don't let your final service to this country be a disservice.
Don | 11:58 a.m. Dec. 18, 2008
What Robert Redford has done to the mountain in the Sundance area is what's criminal!!!! Just because you own property in the state doesn't make you a resident and doesn't give you the right to stick your nose into environmental issues in that state. Robert Redford needs to stay in Hollywood with his tree hugging wantabe lovers and keep his fat mouth out of Utah's resources and there development.!!!!!
To Gig | 11:09 | 12:04 p.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Re: "National parks are for all Americans and not just Utahns"

Therein lies the problem. You back-east and California carpetbaggers have destroyed the economies of your home states to the point where crime and joblessnes make them no longer liveable. Then you come here and start telling us how to destroy Utah's economy by turning it into a large environmental petting zoo.

When will environmentalists respect for the environment only occurs in prosperous countries?

Add Americal to the Third World, and we will have a Third World environment -- like Mexico's or Russia's.

Is that what you really want?
How about it Mr. Redford | 12:08 p.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Mr Redford, you seem like a nice guy, but you do use oil, if it has to be produced somewhere, why not here?
This is nothing new | 12:34 p.m. Dec. 18, 2008
Oil and mineral exploration on BLM land and even Forest Service land is nothing new.

I like to explore so whenever I'm on vacation and I see a little dirt road I take it. When the road runs out if there's a trail I take it. I've found several active and inactive mines along the Wasatch Front and several oil operations near Dead Horse Point. You can't even see them from the road and even when you get to the pad you can't even tell where they were drilling. All there is left is a level spot of land.

What I'm trying to say is... it's not as terrible as some people are trying to convince you it is, and it's not a new thing. We've been doing it for as long as I've been around.

I think we need to continue to do it and do it as responsibly as we possibly can (and we are getting better technology all the time that makes it more and more possible to explore and harvest oil without distrubing the land all the time. We need to continue developing these advanced techniques and using them in the US.
Anonymous | 12:34 p.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I hope that when it is Robert Redford and Al Gore's turn to leave this earth they do so cold, hungry and in the dark. It would serve 'em right.
SJ | 12:36 p.m. Dec. 18, 2008
I disagree with Robert's use of the word "ours". He only works for the good of the state when it's in his own interest.

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