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RE: Nathan Brocovic | 5:50 p.m. Dec. 5, 2008
Actaully it is a christian nation,
even though you can live in denial about it.
and no one has claimed it is Jesus' kingdom, that is something else entirely,
IT was settled/colonized by christian people,
IT was formed as a nation by christian peoples,
and it was founded on judeo-christian values,
even though all are welcome to come live and practice their religion or lack religion as they see fit,
The overwhelming majority are christian, whether they are actively practicing or not.
NOthing you say changes that fact it IS christian nation.
and chritians have every constitutional right to practice their religion publicly,
we are a christan nation tha same way
middle eastern and other countries are islamic nations, thought other religions live there.
or israel is a jewish nation, though other religions exist there,
or china or japan are shinto or buddist,
or india is hindu,
We are Chistain nation, though all welcome here,
and we have right to practice it publically.
even though you can live in denial about it.
and no one has claimed it is Jesus' kingdom, that is something else entirely,
IT was settled/colonized by christian people,
IT was formed as a nation by christian peoples,
and it was founded on judeo-christian values,
even though all are welcome to come live and practice their religion or lack religion as they see fit,
The overwhelming majority are christian, whether they are actively practicing or not.
NOthing you say changes that fact it IS christian nation.
and chritians have every constitutional right to practice their religion publicly,
we are a christan nation tha same way
middle eastern and other countries are islamic nations, thought other religions live there.
or israel is a jewish nation, though other religions exist there,
or china or japan are shinto or buddist,
or india is hindu,
We are Chistain nation, though all welcome here,
and we have right to practice it publically.
SlowS | 9:38 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008
Merry Christmas Buttars. There are more important things to worry about in your
job than this. So Merry Christmas and get out of our way as citizens.
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Savant | 10:17 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008
I say Happy Holidays (personally and in my business) from just before
Thanksgiving until about a week before Christmas. I say Merry Christmas the
week of Christmas and Happy New Year the week after.
I've only had one customer ever complain, saying she (and many others - who???) didn't celebrate Christmas and resented me "forcing my beliefs" on them. I asked her if she had a calendar? Yes. What does it say on December 25? Silence. I may have lost that customer (since she called on the phone, I doubt she even was one). But so what?
It is what it is. The day is called Christmas. Celebrate it, or don't. No one will force you either way.
I've only had one customer ever complain, saying she (and many others - who???) didn't celebrate Christmas and resented me "forcing my beliefs" on them. I asked her if she had a calendar? Yes. What does it say on December 25? Silence. I may have lost that customer (since she called on the phone, I doubt she even was one). But so what?
It is what it is. The day is called Christmas. Celebrate it, or don't. No one will force you either way.
Michelle | 11:52 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008
What happened to free speech? Let people wish you whatever they want. I
can't believe Buttars is still in office. He is a moron. Is this the most
important thing he has to focus on?
RE: RE: Nathan Brocovic | 4:29 p.m. Dec. 6, 2008
We agree that people are and should be free to practice religion. We do not
agree that a lawmaker should tell a store what its employees can or cannot say.
Say Merry Christmas all you want but don't force store owners to do it.
Our nation was inhabited by a lot of non-Christians when it was defeated by some who were religious. Some of those people coming here did so to practice their religion as they saw fit, free from a government that would tell them things like what they could say.
Other, many, many others came because they were seeking a better fortune. Money was a GIGANTIC motivator to those settling the "New World."
Happy Hannakka. You Christians borrowed "Judeo-Christian" values and morals from ancient Israel. By your logic we should legislate to have menorahs in ever store.
Our nation was inhabited by a lot of non-Christians when it was defeated by some who were religious. Some of those people coming here did so to practice their religion as they saw fit, free from a government that would tell them things like what they could say.
Other, many, many others came because they were seeking a better fortune. Money was a GIGANTIC motivator to those settling the "New World."
Happy Hannakka. You Christians borrowed "Judeo-Christian" values and morals from ancient Israel. By your logic we should legislate to have menorahs in ever store.
RE:RE:RE: Nathan Brocovic | 5:28 p.m. Dec. 6, 2008
The resolution (which actually DOESN'T even EXIST, look it up! You are
fighting about nothing!) would be a UNENFORCABLE/NONBINDING, and it extends
free speech, by asking employers not to infringe free speech of their
employees.
Christianity didn't borrow anything.
(although over time as people were converted, as christianity grew, many traditions of various peoples and cultures became part of christmas and other holidays ans celebrations,
nothing wrong with that!)
Perhaps you should ask yourself where Israel got their values from?
Anyone who studies religion can tell you they came from the same source.
God gave the Israel a bunch laws to live by, due to their disobedience, laws which were symbolic, representaive, archetype of the coming sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.
Laws which Jesus said himself he came to fulfill.
So, the same source!
And lets not even put kwanza or festivus in same class.
Festivus, of couse, was made by a character on the TV show 'Seinfeld'.
Kwanza was made up in 1966 by a black man as an alternative for blacks to christmas.
Judaism and Christianity have a history, a religious tradition, and a significance for billions going back thousands of years.
Merry Christmas!
Happy Hanukkah!
yada-yada-yada...
Christianity didn't borrow anything.
(although over time as people were converted, as christianity grew, many traditions of various peoples and cultures became part of christmas and other holidays ans celebrations,
nothing wrong with that!)
Perhaps you should ask yourself where Israel got their values from?
Anyone who studies religion can tell you they came from the same source.
God gave the Israel a bunch laws to live by, due to their disobedience, laws which were symbolic, representaive, archetype of the coming sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.
Laws which Jesus said himself he came to fulfill.
So, the same source!
And lets not even put kwanza or festivus in same class.
Festivus, of couse, was made by a character on the TV show 'Seinfeld'.
Kwanza was made up in 1966 by a black man as an alternative for blacks to christmas.
Judaism and Christianity have a history, a religious tradition, and a significance for billions going back thousands of years.
Merry Christmas!
Happy Hanukkah!
yada-yada-yada...
Merry Christmas to all | 8:21 p.m. Dec. 6, 2008
When I say Merry Christmas, it means I am wishing you well. It is not in anyway
a religious solicitation.
Please take it as a compliment, not a slam.
Please take it as a compliment, not a slam.
RE: Treaty of Tripoli... | 10:32 p.m. Dec. 6, 2008
Perhaps you should look it up.
YOu've taken a line completely out of context.
This was the first treaty the US had made with a muslim nation.
John Admas wanted to assure and make known it was between the governments of two nations and not between religions.
And assure that tripolians that the US does not take its marching orders from any christian church or it's leader, be it catholic, evangical, protestant, etc.
But to use that quote in sense you intended is just wrong.
There is a difference between being a christian nation, being "founded" as one which is operative word.
And in deed no christian churh founded this nation.
But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects) did.
YOu've taken a line completely out of context.
This was the first treaty the US had made with a muslim nation.
John Admas wanted to assure and make known it was between the governments of two nations and not between religions.
And assure that tripolians that the US does not take its marching orders from any christian church or it's leader, be it catholic, evangical, protestant, etc.
But to use that quote in sense you intended is just wrong.
There is a difference between being a christian nation, being "founded" as one which is operative word.
And in deed no christian churh founded this nation.
But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects) did.
Nathan | 9:52 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008
Do you fools have any idea where the first notion that the US is a Christian
nation came from?
The idea was first proposed by -- are you ready for this? -- Friedrich Nietzsche in the late 19th century! Yes, that's right. The most famous athiest of them all, the (in)famous German philosopher who challenged the foundations of Christianity and traditional morality!
His identification of America as a Christian nation was NOT a compliment! It was a criticism and a warning about the inevitable rise of Christian fascism that he foresaw!
Wake up and smell the angst. The US is NOT a Christian nation!
The idea was first proposed by -- are you ready for this? -- Friedrich Nietzsche in the late 19th century! Yes, that's right. The most famous athiest of them all, the (in)famous German philosopher who challenged the foundations of Christianity and traditional morality!
His identification of America as a Christian nation was NOT a compliment! It was a criticism and a warning about the inevitable rise of Christian fascism that he foresaw!
Wake up and smell the angst. The US is NOT a Christian nation!
Gary Butler | 10:25 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008
"no christian churh founded this nation.
But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects) did."
Excuse me? There wasn't even HALF of the signers of the Declaration of Independence who were Christian, and by most Christian standards, even fewer who were "moral and religious"!!!
You people REALLY REALLY need to stop listening to so many idiot seminary teachers and BYU professors for your history lessons! You are absolutely IGNORANT about history!
But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects) did."
Excuse me? There wasn't even HALF of the signers of the Declaration of Independence who were Christian, and by most Christian standards, even fewer who were "moral and religious"!!!
You people REALLY REALLY need to stop listening to so many idiot seminary teachers and BYU professors for your history lessons! You are absolutely IGNORANT about history!
I support Chris Buttars | 12:55 a.m. Dec. 8, 2008
I support Chris Buttars and I am proud of it. He stands up for what he believes
in no matter what. He is in the Senate to represent the true conservative moral
and values that this great nation was founded upon. I am thank-ful that he is
taking a stand on the "Merry Christmas" issue. I think that is is sad
in our nation today that we can't say Merry Christmas without someone
getting offended. He is simply trying to say that it is okay to say "Merry
Christmas" and no one has a right to take that away from us.
Anonymous | 9:09 a.m. Dec. 9, 2008
To the Chris Buttars "supporter"
If you are being paid by a company to be its representative in a business, the Company has EVERY RIGHT to forbid you from using greetings that may offend their customers.
If you don't like that, feel free to quit and work somewhere else.
Isn't freedom a wonderful thing!
If you are being paid by a company to be its representative in a business, the Company has EVERY RIGHT to forbid you from using greetings that may offend their customers.
If you don't like that, feel free to quit and work somewhere else.
Isn't freedom a wonderful thing!
Davey Crocket | 4:46 p.m. Dec. 9, 2008
To Merry Christmas to all,
You are playing the spin game. You are not honest.
IF it is true that your saying Merry Christmas is simply wishing me well, and it truly is NOT in anyway a religious solicitation, then just say "I wish you well".
But no, you have to try to cram your religious cult into everything you do. And then you deny that you are doing it!
At least be honest. You are a religious fanatic. All those who say "Merry Christmas" are religious fanatics!
Someone needs to sponsor real legislation that outlaws "Merry Christmas" and requires "Seasons' Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" to be the ONLY greetings allowed in public places!
You are playing the spin game. You are not honest.
IF it is true that your saying Merry Christmas is simply wishing me well, and it truly is NOT in anyway a religious solicitation, then just say "I wish you well".
But no, you have to try to cram your religious cult into everything you do. And then you deny that you are doing it!
At least be honest. You are a religious fanatic. All those who say "Merry Christmas" are religious fanatics!
Someone needs to sponsor real legislation that outlaws "Merry Christmas" and requires "Seasons' Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" to be the ONLY greetings allowed in public places!
Anonymous | 6:15 a.m. Dec. 14, 2008
I don't understand why Christians want retailers to say "merry
Christmas" anyway. It seems to me that by using the birth of jesus to sell
merchandise it cheapens the entire holiday. "Happy Holidays" is an
inclusive phrase that takes into all the celebrations happening this time of
year. Why is that a problem?
Cory | 5:12 p.m. Dec. 14, 2008
this is actually ridiculous
its Christmas and i don't care what anyone else thinks
giving it a different name doesn't change the face, it just makes you ignorant
people argue that there's other 'holidays' near Christmas but in north America majority celebrate Christmas. One could also argue that there's several holidays with in every single month for other faiths and cultures. if you live in north America and you say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Marry Christmas" you are an ignorant person
AND further more i don't believe that Chris Buttars opinion on this matter should make anyone feel that he shouldn't be re-elected (unless you are anti-christian than i might understand why i could think that why)
btw you all proved his point, the fact that theres this many posts proves that their is in fact a war going on
Marry Christmas everyone
its Christmas and i don't care what anyone else thinks
giving it a different name doesn't change the face, it just makes you ignorant
people argue that there's other 'holidays' near Christmas but in north America majority celebrate Christmas. One could also argue that there's several holidays with in every single month for other faiths and cultures. if you live in north America and you say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Marry Christmas" you are an ignorant person
AND further more i don't believe that Chris Buttars opinion on this matter should make anyone feel that he shouldn't be re-elected (unless you are anti-christian than i might understand why i could think that why)
btw you all proved his point, the fact that theres this many posts proves that their is in fact a war going on
Marry Christmas everyone
Kurt | 4:43 p.m. Dec. 15, 2008
What an idiot. We have real problems, so he attacks a fake problem instead.
Happy christmas, chanukkah, festivus, whatever for pete's sake.
The icing on the cake is that Buttars is a "creationist" opposed to reality-based science which includes biological evolution. It figures.
What rock do these cretins crawl out from under?
The icing on the cake is that Buttars is a "creationist" opposed to reality-based science which includes biological evolution. It figures.
What rock do these cretins crawl out from under?
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