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Buttars says bah to 'holiday' greetings

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Nate + Lavinia = Ironic | 3:29 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
"We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, not "Holiday's" - Lavinia

"CHRISTMAS is a religous holiday. Stop trying to make it otherwise." - Nate

Ahhh...nothing celebrates Christ like the word "Christmas" forcibly placed in retail advertising, does it?

The sad part is that you fail to see the irony in your own posts and in your support for Buttars'. What Buttars is proposing does not address the religious audience of Christmas, rather the retail audience.

Beyond that, as elected State official, Buttars' has no business proposing legislation promoting religion in any context. Contrary to his statement, this is not a Christian nation, it is an American nation, some of whom happen to be Christian.
Missing the Point | 3:40 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I think it's a shame that employers will not allow employees to say "Merry Christmas". That is the issue. A law maker wants to send the message that it's ok to say what you want at the work place. He's in favor of "Merry Christmas" but I would believe he's fighting for the rights of our Jewish neighbors to say "Happy Hanuka" (sp?) when someone walks into their Wal Mart.

As long has he's reelected Buttars is obviously spending his time as wisely as his constituents want him to. I can name 100 other things Rocky spent time on that wasted not only Salt Lakes money but the whole state.

I'm sooooo glad Rocky is gone!

Merry Christmas all!
Jenny | 3:41 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
And West Jordan folk voted him back into office to waste tax payers time on frivilous stuff. I say Merry Christmas and for sure I don't need any laws telling me or anyone else what to say. What happened to freedom in America o0oops I forgot this is Utah. Buttars deal with the economy, deal with the unemployment and social issues and if you can't deal with them get another job and bleed someone elses wallet over frivilous stuff. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
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Jason L. M. | 3:44 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I don't agree completely with Buttars. But it is a little rediculous to imagine a country where somebody can get fired because they choose to say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.

If you don't celebrate Christmas that is fine. But I shouldn't be penalized because I do. I would rather shop at a store that had a menorah in the window and large print that said "happy hanukah" instead of a store that has sold out to left wing Political Correctness and displays "happy non-religious holidays to you and your kin!"
the truth | 3:45 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Of Course there is a war on Christmas,

MOre specifically there is a war on christianity that has been going on a very long time.

Of course shopping has nothing to do with christianity or Christmas,

but is the modern commercialization of Christmas.

And althought Christmas has assimilated many pagan (which means peasant, the common folk) rituals of the winter soltice, perhaps adding some festivity to the holiday.

it doesn't change what this day represents.

Nor their attempts to remove that meaning, Christ, from it.

And making it completely secular,

Ands substituting their own idols like santa, or making up something else that has absolutely no meaning like kwanza.
JR | 3:50 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
CHristmas is so commericalized that is why Christmas has lost the true meaning - the spirit of giving has got way out of reach - greed and snobbery abound, keeping up with the Jones's. Christmas is based on religious beliefs and that is where it belongs = not in political arenas.
hey all you whiners | 3:59 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Buttars isn't mandating that stores say "Merry Christmas". He just wants to make it so stores cannot prevent employees from wishing a customer "Merry Christmas". Next time, read the article and try to understand it before you ramble on.
Henry Drummond | 4:00 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Chris is welcome to make any resolution he wants. The legislature is welcome to ignore it. Let's not waste time on yet another ridiculous issue when people are hurting and vital programs are facing budget cuts.
Todd | 4:03 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
The first president to send out Christmas cards, as opposed to signed photographs or letters, was FDR in 1933 saying, "Merry Christmas From the President and Mrs. Roosevelt."

In 1962, JFK had Hallmark print 2,000 cards, of which 1,800 cards said "The President and Mrs. Kennedy Wish You a Blessed Christmas" and 200 said "With Best Wishes for a Happy New Year" to send to non-Christians. LBJ continued that tradition for a couple of years, but it required keeping track of Christian and non-Christian recipients. Beginning in 1966, they wished everyone a "Joyous Christmas," and no president has attempted the two-card trick since.

The wording since has often flip-flopped. Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter put "Merry Christmas" in their 1977 card and then switched to "Holiday Season" for the next three years. Ronald and Nancy Reagan, similarly, began with a "Joyous Christmas" in 1981 and 1982 but doled out generic holiday wishes from 1983 to 1988. The elder President Bush stayed in the "Merry Christmas" spirit all four years, and the Clintons opted for inclusive greetings for all of their eight years. The current Bush has straddled the divide, offering generic greetings along with an Old Testament verse.
Anonymous | 4:05 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
WOW. Years ago I lived in West Jordan in what is now Sen. Buttars district. A few months ago, when Sen. Buttars embarassed our state with his racist and homophobic slurs, I was convinced he did not really represent my former neighbors. I assumed they voted him in based on what they believed he stood for, and once he'd shown his true colors, they'd send a clear message they don't share his hate and bigotry. But to my surprise, West Jordan has shown us that Buttars and his ugly, hateful views do, in fact, represent their values. Which leads me to say... WOW.
Another Idea | 4:22 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
How about a resolution to eliminate people referring to Thanksgiving as Turkey Day? There's an assault on Thanksgiving too!
Buttars is Right! | 4:35 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
All you Buttars haters need to take a step back and realize why he's doing what he's doing. Little by little the Creator of this world is being pushed from the front to the back of the "American", or christian, way of thinking. An Atheist poster was placed in the capitol building in Olympia, WA yesterday, opposite the nativity scene, to further promote equality. Many of those interviewed said that although they didn't agree with the poster, they respected its being there. Talk about CRAZY! If the atheists, or any other religion for that matter, want equality they can create their own holiday. The truths of the standard works still ring true and as the adversary can get us thinking less about Christ and more about equality, the closer he is to realizing his purposes. Keep up the good work Buttars!
VOR | 4:41 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
All of you so called Christian's who are bent out of shape about loosing your saviors holiday should do a little research on the true history of your beloved holiday. YULE soon find out that Christmas has less to do with Christ than it does with early AD politics. Do yourself a favor and research it! Research the history, particulary in the US. Again, YULE be supprised!
Correction | 5:05 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Buttars was not re-elected by the fools living in West Jordan alone. His district included fools living in South Jordan, too. You couldn't fit all those morons into one city - it takes two.
Waste Of Time- PLEASE STOP! | 5:06 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Mr Buttars- this is a not a Christian Nation it is a free nation- you need to read the CONSTITUTION, PLEASE!

Shame on those in West Jordan that elected the eternally ignorant- this is just the beginning of divisive legislation Mr Buttars will introduce- I thought Republicans were for less government- so, what is this Bill all about? More government telling me what I can and can't do!

UNBELIEVABLE!
DustBowl | 5:14 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I don't need a feel good resolution that wastes tax payers money to tell me how I "should" run my business. Throw the bum out of office, obviously he doesn't understand why he is there.
re: hey all you whiners | 5:15 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I read the article. Buttars is way out of line.

As an employer, if my policy is for employees to greet customers with "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", that is noone's concern but my own. If the employee doesn't like it, they are free to find other employment. It's no different than a dress code in that regard. If the customers don't like it, they are free to do business elsewhere. If they are offended by me including all religions in my greetings, I don't want their money anyway.

If the state legislature doesn't like it, they can sit back and shut their mouths. They have no business dictating my business practices to me, particularly those that would be religiously founded. In fact, that Buttar's is using an elected position to promote ANY religious position should have him looking for other employment. In any state but Utah, that would be the case.
Honesty | 5:20 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Nothing anyone has said chnages waht the bill is all about:

FREE SPEECH!

the freedom of speech to say "merry christmas", which some stores and placse have prohibited their employees from exercising with threats of being fired.


How can anyone be against the Freedom of Speech,
regardless of how you personally feel about person who proposed the bill?

Is your Hate so much more important that your freedom of speech?
Anonymous | 5:28 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
:) West Jordan :) Ha! Heeee heee


thanks for the continued laughs!
Buttars | 5:31 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Reminds me of the same Buttars from South Park! HAHA!
Utye Fan | 5:44 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Way to go Butters.

Thats right. Put "Christ" back into Christmas.
what truth? | 5:47 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
how is it when "the truth" writes its always anything but the truth. Pagans where not and are not "Peasants" and Kwanza is a real holiday. People like �the truth� and Buttars are always demanding respect but think nothing of using demeaning lies about others.
Not a Free Speech Issue | 7:02 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
To: Honesty

Employees don't have freedom of speech. You don't understand the Constitution. According to your theory, any employee could say Merry (beeping) Christmas and the owner of the store couldn't do a thing about that--wrong!

Employees have all kinds of policies and procedures that they are required to follow if they want to stay employed. If the boss wants "Happy Holidays" instead of something else, and they want to keep their job, then they need to be a professional and do what is required.
ld | 7:22 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
My favorite Christmas carol:

'Tis the season to be greedy,
Gimme Gimme Gimme and gimme some more.
Spend your money down at Walmart
Gimme Gimme Gimme and Gimme some more.

Y'know, maybe my friends at the Jehovah's Witness church have a good idea. Worship God and forget the crass commercialism of the day.
Buttars is a looney toon | 8:06 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Buttars has fallen off the rocker.

West Jordan voters: what in the he(ck) were you thinking.

How about a recall vote in West Jordan. Seems Republicans are in favor of those.

Happy Holidays to everyone.

And have happy new year too.

I am a Mormon, and a conservative. Buttars needs to go.

Oh, and have Happy Holidays, everyone!


Anonymous | 8:39 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I am sick and tired of people saying this country was founded on "Christian Principals" Do some history and read before making such ignorant comments!
R, Lundgreen | 8:44 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I support Mr. Buttars resolution. It is not a waste of time to preserve the values that are the strength of our nation and society. Christmas and Christianity are under attack by the world's popular culture. Our nation was founded with religious freedom as a central right for each citizen. A resolution that supports religious liberty is one of the better ways a government can take action. May each of you have a Merry Christmas!
Sarah | 8:49 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
okay there isn't every any Hanukkah decorations up in store. But there are CHRISTMAS decorations up. It really doesn't matter what is said but if you really get offended by people saying anything but happy holiday's then the stores need to put up something other than a CHRISTMAS tree. Honestly who really cares what someone says. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy Holiday's to all!
CAPS LOCK | 9:24 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
December Holidays include, but are not limited to (in no particular order):

Hanukkah
Christmas
Kwanzaa
New Year�s Eve
Pearl Harbor Day
The official end of WWII
Boxing Day
Maritime Day
Winter Solstice
Forefather�s Day (celebrating the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth)
Celebration of the Boston Tea Party
Bill of Rights Day
St. Lucy Day
Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Human Rights Day
St. Nicholas Day
Volunteer Day
International Day of Disabled Persons
Rosa Parks Day

Seems a little egocentric and rude to demand YOUR holiday be the only one to get any recognition...
mark | 9:35 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Way to go "the truth" you win the prize (again).
Of all the ridiculous comments on this board, yours is the most ridiculous.
Congratulations!
Nope, wait, I might be wrong, Butters is Right! might be taking that dubious honor. But you are still in the running "the truth"
Okay "Honesty" is gaining ground for most ridiculous comment.
Ding, ding, ding... and the winner is "the truth!"
evolutionfish | 9:49 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Anyone who gets offended by someone saying Merry Christmas needs to get a life as does everyone who gets offended by someone saying Happy Holidays or anything else. It's all a way of greeting people. Oh and CAPS LOCK you forgot Yule on your list. Seriously people when someone says Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, or anything along those line just smile and say thank you and get over it.
K | 10:20 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I am Catholic so I say Merry Christmas. If a person celebrating Kwanza wished me a happy that, fine.

But I must say that in stores I want to hear Merry Christmas. Over 90% of the purchases made in November and December are Christmas presents. So it's pretty ridiculous to me to try to be inclusive so folks celebrating the Winter Solstice or Festivus! Pretty soon Happy Halloween won't be said anymore or trick or treat - (it's extortion) After all Columbus Day also takes place in October, oh wait it's now Explorer's Day. So soon it will be Happy scary, harvest, dress up, pumpkin, journey day. Oh boy!

Yes, Hanukkah has a present exchange but it's more of a religious holiday in the true sense. Actually our priest said a family in the parish was going to give their kids each 3 and only 3 presents this year, because Jesus received 3 gifts from the Wise Men for his birthday. They are trying to get away from all the stuff and focus more on the reason for the season. A step in the right direction.
bob carlisle | 10:55 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Anonymous | 3:09, first off you missed spelled my name, at least you can get that right. second i doubt hollywood, greeting cards, or your corner drug store cares where and what xmas means. x is in place of christ thats all what 90 percent of americans think. too bad you dont use your useless knowledge for good instead of being anti christ?
Anonymous | 11:02 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Senator, you are a misguided soul. Certainly there must be something more important on which to windbag. Anyway, most of us don't care. And, I figure 'the holidays', that retail season from black friday through to the gift return season after boxing day most definitely includes christmas. It also includes every other holiday that can be determined, real or imaginary, onto which one can piggyback a gigantic blowout electronics or mattress sale.
Tommot | 11:18 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Gee, I always thought a Christian was judged by actions, not by words. I would rather that a retailer, who is motivated by greed and getting as much money as possible for something he/she is selling, say Happy Holidays, and not try to pretend to be a Christian and say Merry Christmas. With all the holidays, both sacred and profane in December, ambiguity seems like the best option.
DaviD O | 11:27 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
yet more big government by REPUBLICANS telling private business how they should operate their business. I guess this is the norm by Republicans now since Bush nationalized banks, insurance and auto industries.
the truth | 12:05 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Anyone who cares could two seconds to look up the meaning and etymology of the word "pagan",

Ypou wil find it l;iterally means the country folk.

Later oinb it took on the menaing heathean or anyone who wasn;t christian,

Interestingly, it now seems is is the liberals who are the heathans,

while it is the country folk who are god fearing christian people,

I guess the scriptures are true when itsays in the latter days good will be call bad and bad will called good,

everything certainly does seem to bew upside down.

Anyways, I will be waiting for an apology I expect will NOT be forth coming.

Honesty | 12:13 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
I probably shouldn't be suprised how easily the liberals here are willing to give up their freedom of speech.

I shouldn't be suprised, how willing they are to give up FREE Speech Rights to anyone they believe is over them,

But I am.

Its not wonder they are willing give government so much power over them, at a just promise it will take care of them,

they don't even bat an eye at it just thinking they might lose their paycheck if don't abrogate their rights at work.

The NIT | 12:31 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
This IS important and is worthy of the legislature's time. I'm new to Utah, but I like this resolution of Mr. Buttars. The sole of a nation, a state, a city is much more important the the "fiscal" matters. That's what this effort tries to emphasize, in my opinion. I will continue to say "Merry Christmas" every chance I get. I will also say "Happy Thanksgiving". It may not seem like much to many people who haven't thought this through, but there is a world of difference between those sayings and the generic/secular "Happy Holidays".

Merry Christmas!!
The NIT | 12:39 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
I would like to know which retailer said that to its employees as I would make sure not to buy anything at that store. I have lots of choices for any product and I don't have to put up with that kind of nonsense.
frogface | 1:21 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Although Sen. Buttars may thrive on negative energy, it is refreshing to know that he is outweighed by those who sincerely embrace diversity and connect to one another in love and acceptance. Perhaps one day he will allow the Light to enter his life so he can also thrive on positive energy.
Jake | 1:21 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Leave Mr. Buttars alone. If you disagree with somebody, especially somebody moral and religious, why do you have to throw rocks at him? That kind of behavior seems to run rampant in this community. First you throw rocks at our churches and now you throw verbal rocks at our member. For what? Because he wants to celebrate the Birthday of our savior. If you don't like it, celebrate the birthday of your savior and I promise we will leave you alone and not throw rocks.
Tommot | 2:23 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Jake, I think the criticism of Senator Buttars is NOT that we are throwing rocks at Churches AND him, but rather that he is a lawmaker, and has announced what he proposes to do AS a lawmaker, a public servant. Being a public servant means that you open yourself up to the marketplace of ideals (as John Stuart Mills put it), and he is feeling the brunt of that marketplace. Public opinion is how the public makes their opinions known. No, Senator Buttars is NOT wanting to celebrate the birth of our Savior in his Resolution (which, by the way, is non-binding... how resolute!), but rather to allow people who work for private industry to say "Merry Christmas" to their customers without fearing for their jobs. I always felt the Christmas spirit was spread not be greetings from store employees, but from the acts of service and the love for one another that we display and feel, which require no visits to malls or big box retailers. Perhaps, as you suggest, my Savior is different than yours.
awsomeron | 3:17 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
.I usually stay in my Village most of December. They has been doing Christmas Music at Wal-Mart since just after Halloween. My and most Hawaiians Favorite Radio Station is playing Mostly Secular Christmas Music. The older stuff is extremely sexist. I have switched to another Station till January.

I agree with Butters, It is Christmas and that should be the greeting and Christmas is the only reason for this Season. I have No reason to buy you a present because it is the Holidays. You would mostly get a Gift Card these days any way.

Tule at my house is anything bought after Thanksgiving counts for Christmas and you can use it or play with it. But do not complain on Christmas Morning that all you have is stocking stuffers.

I like to hear Merry Christmas and when I hear Happy Holidays I respond "it Christmas." I usually get "get yes but we have to say" and I just nod.

Apparently the Store is more afraid of the Anti Christmas People then they are of me.

I live in a land of many faiths, and a lot of people do not do Christmas. However they enjoy ours. Exchange Gifts etc.
cherrilyn | 5:13 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Yesterday I contacted Target to thank them for using Merry Christmas in their advertisements, and I received a very gracious reply from them. I think it's important to let our desires be known to retailers, government officials, etc.
Happy Holidays! | 5:49 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Just hoping everyone has a happy holiday season; including Mr. Buttars.
Talk to the Retailers | 5:53 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
If people want a retailer to say Merry Christmas, talk to the retailer. Leave government out of it. I heard on the news that Costco is one who is only saying Happy Holidays. If you don't like it, tell them so. If they get enough complaints, maybe they will change their policy. Especially if the complaintants take their money elsewhere. We need to get out of the mentality that government is there to fix everything!
Chris in Texas | 6:18 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Alright, Buttars! I love this guy, because he has the courage to say the right thing! There is a cultural war in our country; the wheat is being separated from the tares. We have to decide which side we stand on. Either we are for the Lord or we're not. I'm so sick and tired of expressions like "Holidays" and "Xmas". It's time to put Christ, Our Lord and Savior, back into the equation. I applaud his work!
Jon | 6:48 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Buttars was re-elected to get the people's business done. Not make up work for the senate to do. Senator Buttars get to work and stop wasting our time on Stupid bills like this one. If you can't do this get out of the way so someone else can.
KM | 6:54 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Change, Change, Change - thats the old/new mantra.

What once was Christmas is now Happy Holidays - wouldn't want to offend.

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