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re: Oregon QB | 11:22 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
You're right, Masoli is the same QB, that doesn't change the fact that
he was Oregons 3rd string QB starting his first game, then once he got hurt you
got to play against the QB from the practice squad as well as a true freshmen
(5th string) so there you have it, you beat a good Oregon team by 5 points who
was playing their 4th and 5th string QB.. Now that's impressive!!
MWC Exposed? | 11:24 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Utah's post season record is good. Don't tell me how the MWC is going
to be exposed because when it comes to post season play the Utes DOMINATE!!!!!
Better luck next year Boise, wah wah wah - past history has no bearing on the
current year. Real smart, slamming a team from the Mountain West when your
conference is weaker. Instead, why don't you slam the pathetic conferences
that get automatic bids to the BCS bowls. Give it a rest.
How about this suggestion, a 16 team playoff tournament. If the NCAA baketball tournament can do it with 64 teams playing 2 games a week then NCAA football should be able to do a 16 team tournament with one game a week.
How about this suggestion, a 16 team playoff tournament. If the NCAA baketball tournament can do it with 64 teams playing 2 games a week then NCAA football should be able to do a 16 team tournament with one game a week.
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Sixpack | 11:47 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Ok BSU fans, I've seen some pretty fun comments but a few I can't let
slide. To the on poster who claimed BSU beat a MWC #1 BYU, the years you beat
BYU they were...2004 (5-6) and 2004 (4-8) the worst two year stint in since the
1960's. You did beat Utah when they were OK in the late 90's but even
then they weren't conference champs.
You're best win was over Utah (7-4) in '06. A team who was trying to right itself and finished 3rd that year. Never mind Brian Johnson had been lost for the year and the best ball carriers we had were Brent Casteel and Eric Weddle a WR and DB.
I'd love to see TCU play you. They'd beat you down by at least 14! Here's to TCU vs BSU in San Diego.
You're best win was over Utah (7-4) in '06. A team who was trying to right itself and finished 3rd that year. Never mind Brian Johnson had been lost for the year and the best ball carriers we had were Brent Casteel and Eric Weddle a WR and DB.
I'd love to see TCU play you. They'd beat you down by at least 14! Here's to TCU vs BSU in San Diego.
Fiesta Reality Check | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Assuming Oklahoma beats Missouri and USC beats UCLA, there's a slim chance
the Fiesta Bowl could choose Utah over a two-loss Ohio State team (and only if
its reps think they wouldn't lose out on the TV ratings by doing so). But
Utah and Boise State? Why on earth would the Fiesta give up Texas so that the
Sugar Bowl could hit the jackpot with a Texas-Florida/Alabama matchup? The
Fiesta'd have to get something awfully valuable in return, and what exactly
would that be? We could speculate that Utah-Boise State has the better prospect
of still being close in the fourth quarter, but if a national TV audience
isn't watching at the beginning, a few extra latecomers won't make
much of a difference. We also could speculate on some sort of backroom deal by
the BCS powers to prevent any possibility of one of their elites being
embarrassed by a non-BCS foe but (notwithstanding the Boise State-Oklahoma game
a few years back) would they really be that paranoid about a Utah-Texas/Oklahoma
or Utah-Alabama/Florida matchup? Most likely scenario: the Fiesta looks out for
its own interests and takes Texas-Ohio State; Utah slides to the Sugar or
Orange.
Sixpack | 11:59 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
By the way Masoli may be the same QB playing right now, but he only played for
like a quarter against BSU. Left at the end of the 1st with a concussion. At
the beginning of the season he was 3rd STRING! After the 4th string served up
the game with 2 picks they turned to a TRUE freshman, who scored 3 tds in the
4th, nearly beating you. You gave up 464 yds and 32 pts to an offense that was
cripped and blinded because of injuries.
Yup that's a high quality win compared to Utah's wins over TCU, BYU, Oregon St and AFA. Maybe it would help if you understood what SOS means.
Yup that's a high quality win compared to Utah's wins over TCU, BYU, Oregon St and AFA. Maybe it would help if you understood what SOS means.
stephen77 | 12:29 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
keep making excures why bsu won, i guess they should not showen up and said we
will play u when all your players r ok. tell me all the teams utah play was
100%. we dont want to play u because u r a want a be. if we beat u u would ve a
excuse all ready so we cant win for losing. if u r going to big time accept it
when u lose. go boise state
re: BYU down | 12:36 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
"BYU was the MWC champs during one of those "down" years that BSU
beat them."
Oh yeah smart guy? Which year was that? The two teams have met only twice and that was in 2003 and 2004. Those were both losing seasons for BYU and they were far from being MWC champs.
In fact, BSU ended 2004 ranked #15 in the final USA Today poll yet BYU had a chance to beat them in Boise except our kicker missed a chip-shot field goal at the end of the game so we lost by one point, 28-27. Yes, I'd say BSU was overrated then and is overrated now as well.
Oh yeah smart guy? Which year was that? The two teams have met only twice and that was in 2003 and 2004. Those were both losing seasons for BYU and they were far from being MWC champs.
In fact, BSU ended 2004 ranked #15 in the final USA Today poll yet BYU had a chance to beat them in Boise except our kicker missed a chip-shot field goal at the end of the game so we lost by one point, 28-27. Yes, I'd say BSU was overrated then and is overrated now as well.
Work Together | 12:38 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I wish Utah and BSU can get in the BCS which would not ever happened, and both
teams get SEC or Big 12 team to play and deliver a beat down on the so called
BCS schools.
To: Sixpack | 12:42 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I'll try to go slowly, so that the viewing audience can keep up....
Strength of Schedule(SOS) goes into BCS rankings. Those teams who have ratings in the top 10, like BSU and Utah got there in part due to SOS rankings.
Arm-chair experts who denigrate the MWC teams, or BSU citing a "cupcake" schedule haven't included the SOS into their calculations and emotion-laden prognostications.
In short, if BSU had a low SOS rating,(or a "cupcake" schedule) it would affect their BCS ratings and they wouldn't be in the BCS picture.
Clear enough?
Strength of Schedule(SOS) goes into BCS rankings. Those teams who have ratings in the top 10, like BSU and Utah got there in part due to SOS rankings.
Arm-chair experts who denigrate the MWC teams, or BSU citing a "cupcake" schedule haven't included the SOS into their calculations and emotion-laden prognostications.
In short, if BSU had a low SOS rating,(or a "cupcake" schedule) it would affect their BCS ratings and they wouldn't be in the BCS picture.
Clear enough?
Ute Post Season Dominance | 1:02 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
To the poster who said the Utes are dominant in the post season, winning the
Poinsettia Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, Emerald Bowl, and Liberty Bowl against teams
like Navy, Fresno State, Southern Miss, and Tulsa don't count for
post-season dominance. It just means you beat inferior teams that you should
have won. Even Las Vegas Bowl wins don't count as dominance because we play
the PAC-10 #4 (Yes, your USC win was a fourth place, inferior USC team). And,
your Fiesta Bowl win isn't dominant either because it was against an 8-4
Pitt team. Yes, you've won several bowl games in a row. Good for you.
It's been a cream puff post-season schedule. But don't use that past
to say you'll be dominant against Alabama, Texas, or Florida. The Utes have
never played in a game like that before.
I really want the Utes to win, it would be great for the MWC. But since I am not a die hard Ute fan, I have to look at the potential BCS matchup with hope, but not confidence. Like all MWC fans, we'll be holding our breath, hoping for the best, but waiting for the most-likely scenario - blowout.
I really want the Utes to win, it would be great for the MWC. But since I am not a die hard Ute fan, I have to look at the potential BCS matchup with hope, but not confidence. Like all MWC fans, we'll be holding our breath, hoping for the best, but waiting for the most-likely scenario - blowout.
BYU Fan | 1:09 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Yes Utah beat byu, but Byu was overated this year, and so is Utah. If Utah
plays Texas, Alabama, or Florida it will ugly!
BYU Fan | 1:18 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Yes, Utah beat BYU this year, however, BYU was overrated this year, and so is
Utah. If Utah plays Alabama, Florida, or Texas this year it will get UGLY. I
haven�t seen much of BSU but my feeling is that if they
played TCU they would get beat, they could possibly beat Utah, and they would
most likely beat BYU. Our DBs just are not good enough.
Cupcakes & SOS | 1:25 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Sagarin:
Utah 72
TCU 76
BYU 83
BSU 115
Colley:
TCU 81
Utah 86
BYU 101
BSU 114
Massey:
TCU 44
Utah 50
BYU 72
BSU 96
Anderson:
TCU 60
Utah 61
BYU 77
BSU 85
Without exception, every BCS computer that includes SOS ranks BSU's SOS much worse than TCU, Utah and BYU.
The human polls are the only reason Boise State is ranked ahead of TCU.
Utah 72
TCU 76
BYU 83
BSU 115
Colley:
TCU 81
Utah 86
BYU 101
BSU 114
Massey:
TCU 44
Utah 50
BYU 72
BSU 96
Anderson:
TCU 60
Utah 61
BYU 77
BSU 85
Without exception, every BCS computer that includes SOS ranks BSU's SOS much worse than TCU, Utah and BYU.
The human polls are the only reason Boise State is ranked ahead of TCU.
Coug Fans!!!! | 1:43 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Now Cougar fans are reduced to whining about how Utah is overrated and will lose
their bowl game. Sad, guys. Just sad.
Before you critique Utah's season, let's think about BYU's: Losses to Utah, TCU, BARELY squeaking by a pathetic Washington squad, and needing a last second touchdown to beat CSU... Just be glad you didn't play Tulsa this year.
Before you critique Utah's season, let's think about BYU's: Losses to Utah, TCU, BARELY squeaking by a pathetic Washington squad, and needing a last second touchdown to beat CSU... Just be glad you didn't play Tulsa this year.
Isn't it best... | 1:59 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
if both BSU and Utah go to different bowl games. I'd put both teams out
there against just about anyone for ONE game. Especaially if both teams beat
the other BCS opponents. Only good can come of it and with the mess that is the
Big12 south this year...everyone knows that a playoff is the only real
solution!!!
I truly hope BSU gets a BCS invite along with the Utes. That is the best of both worlds IMHO.
I truly hope BSU gets a BCS invite along with the Utes. That is the best of both worlds IMHO.
Missing the point | 2:05 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
This is not a BSU is better than Utah we know that is not true. It is a 12-0
BSU should make it over a 10-2 OSU. I do not care how "weak" a
schedule or conference is 12-0 is an accomplishment. Look how weak the ACC and
Big East were this year, yet no one made it through unblemished. The system is
broke, Utah is where they need to be and if only one is accepted it should be
Utah based on the "factors" of the BCS. But BSU should not get left
out especialy with a team that is a Two loss non conference chapion. It is
better for all if both teams go and represnt the "little guy" with a
good competitve game.
Can't Wait!!! | 2:10 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
AHHHHHH, just let us know where the bowl games are already!!! I just want to
know if my teams bowl match will warrant me buying a tickets this bowl season!!
I hope BSU plays BYU or TCU. I respect BSU's program a lot. THey have the
same obstacles that BYU, Utah, and TCU face in the fact they get rare chances to
show how good they are. When they did have the chance BSU shocked the world w/
a win over OU. I'm also excited to see the Utes in the Sugar if that
happens. I'm doubtful as of now as to if they can bring the same intensity
they brought against BYU. I think that would be their only chance especially in
a SugarBowl against an SEC team played in New Orleans.
Don't like it. | 3:23 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Nationally, there is no reason to have this game. Sure the MWC and the WAC want
some bragging rights, and the poster on this news site would talk some smack.
But that is about as good as it gets. The nation want to see if these non-BCS
teams can match up against the big boys. That is why if was a disappointment
when Utah drew Pitt. in 2004. Boise State over Oklahoma was an instant classic.
Alabama vs. Utah and Texas vs.Boise State or vice versa would be the best thing
for college football. Here's hoping the idiots in charge the Sugar Bowl and
the Fiesta Bowl can see what we really want. If they are stupid enough to take
Ohio State, then I hope TCU gets Boise State in San Deigo. It does become an
interesting story if they don;t get into the BCS.
Buster | 3:34 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Hey, I'm BYU, and I hate the smrfs and their field, but they are much
closer to being the Utah team of 2004 than Utah this year.
I think overall that TCU is the best of the four in the discussion, but they did lose, freshman kicker and all to Utah, so they have no claim.
Utah won ugly, but really should have lost to TCU and OSU. I won't even try to make a claim on the BYU game. BYU went out and lost it. Another night, maybe, but they are not going to win at Utah and TCU this year 4 out of 5 times.
I think in quality, they teams are BSU hands down, then Utah, TCU and BYU.
And sorry folks, but we're all talking about 4 pretty good teams here. No reason to make it sound like one would walk on the water while the rest would never get out of the mud.
Utah and TCU hadn't had a sniff of MWC title for a bit. It's someone elses turn.
I think overall that TCU is the best of the four in the discussion, but they did lose, freshman kicker and all to Utah, so they have no claim.
Utah won ugly, but really should have lost to TCU and OSU. I won't even try to make a claim on the BYU game. BYU went out and lost it. Another night, maybe, but they are not going to win at Utah and TCU this year 4 out of 5 times.
I think in quality, they teams are BSU hands down, then Utah, TCU and BYU.
And sorry folks, but we're all talking about 4 pretty good teams here. No reason to make it sound like one would walk on the water while the rest would never get out of the mud.
Utah and TCU hadn't had a sniff of MWC title for a bit. It's someone elses turn.
Watched a lot of Utah, BSU | 3:47 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
It constantly amazes me how people draw conclusions. 1. Yes, the Utah loss a
couple of years ago was somewhat irrelevant, but it does say that Boise State
CAN compete. 2. I watched the Oregon game. It's still relevant. 3.Remember
the Liberty Bowl when Boise State lost on the last play to a Louisville team
that took a then great Miami team to the wire? Average prediction by the media
going in was something like 62-20, Louisville, so we know what predictions are
all about. 3. If you're using Hawaii's effort last year in this, knock
it off. The receivers and the line quit on Brennan early in the game. 4. Base
your decisions on watching the teams play: I've watched both BSU and Utah a
lot (BSU probably 9 games, Utah five or six). Based on what I've seen,
probably Utah, 21-13 on a neutral site. It would be much more defensive than
most people have expected, and it would be an exciting, hard-hitting game --
maybe last play. (Now, having said that, I do agree that Utah and Boise State
SHOULD not play each other. We need to get the big boys to shut up and think
straight.)
Fast Facts | 3:47 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
The average record of Utah's 13 bowl opponents is 8-4.
Records of Utah's Bowl Opponents:
8-3
7-4
9-3
8-5
8-4
8-5
8-5
6-6
9-4
8-4
7-5
8-5
8-5
Utah has never played a bowl opponent ranked higher than 15th and Utah has only been ranked and played a ranked team twice in their bowl history:
1992 unranked Utah lost to #18 Washington State (9-3) 28-31
1994 #14 Utah beat #15 Arizona (8-4) 16-13
2004 #5 Utah beat #19 Pittsburgh (8-4) 35-7
2005 unranked Utah beat #24 Georgia Tech (7-5) 38-10
Utah has never played a Top 10 team in a bowl and has never played a bowl opponent with 10 or more wins.
Records of Utah's Bowl Opponents:
8-3
7-4
9-3
8-5
8-4
8-5
8-5
6-6
9-4
8-4
7-5
8-5
8-5
Utah has never played a bowl opponent ranked higher than 15th and Utah has only been ranked and played a ranked team twice in their bowl history:
1992 unranked Utah lost to #18 Washington State (9-3) 28-31
1994 #14 Utah beat #15 Arizona (8-4) 16-13
2004 #5 Utah beat #19 Pittsburgh (8-4) 35-7
2005 unranked Utah beat #24 Georgia Tech (7-5) 38-10
Utah has never played a Top 10 team in a bowl and has never played a bowl opponent with 10 or more wins.
It's all about this | 5:33 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
BYU fans and BSU fans are just jealous of Utah. Utah will be ready for who
ever they play. Will they win? Only time will tell. The Utes seem to do better
under pressure and with a great defense. I'm sure if they play one of the
"big boys"(acc, sec, big 12)ect. Then those teams will under estimate
Utah and think they will just walk over them and win it easily. Next thing they
know Utah is kickin their ass and Utah wins. It all depends on who shows up. I
think the Utes will beat whom ever they play. Go UTES!!!!!
Sorry Boise | 5:57 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I would really rather see Utah lose to Alabama or Texas (assuming it will be a
competitive game - - which is will) than play Boise in a BCS game. Utes and
the MWC need a national stage to show that they can play with one of the premier
teams from one of the two premier conferences. MWC is THE up and coming
football conference in the country - better this year than the Pac-10, Big-10,
CUSA, ACC and the a-joke-that-they-are-a-BSC-conference Big East. Thank you
Utah, TCU, BYU, and AFA.
Plus, the BSC boys are not going to pony up two 8-figure checks to non-BSC conferences. It just is not going to happen.
BSU - come join the MWC! We would love to have you and you definitely need us.
Plus, the BSC boys are not going to pony up two 8-figure checks to non-BSC conferences. It just is not going to happen.
BSU - come join the MWC! We would love to have you and you definitely need us.
Utah Man, Sir | 6:07 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Any chance of us playing Southwest Baptist University in our BCS Bowl game?
If their football team is as good as their basketball team, it would make for a good game.
Otherwise, I think we are going to get creamed.
If their football team is as good as their basketball team, it would make for a good game.
Otherwise, I think we are going to get creamed.
Anonymous | 6:12 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I'm not going to go as far as saying that Boise does not deserve a BCS
game, because they for sure deserve one over Ohio State. But lets be honest
about this, this years version of the Utes and this years version of the
Broncos...Utah would win easily.
These posts are stupid | 6:30 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
That's all, just stupid!
Jealous of Utah? | 6:33 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Surely you jest....and yes, I will call you shirley.
I think there might be some jealosy here, but it ain't from BSU......
I think there might be some jealosy here, but it ain't from BSU......
whotah overrated | 7:09 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
If the yewts get a top 10 team for their bowl game they're gonna find out
what a real top 10 team is, and it isn't whotah. Just squeaking by weak
road teams like TCU and Ore St at home and weaker teams like New Mexico and AFA
on the road is the sign of a very overrated "top 10" (*gag*) team. Oh
and did yewt fans notice that Ore St got blown out at home by a lower ranked
Oregon team? I called that one and now I'm calling a blowout loss for
yewtville if they have to play any one of the other top 10 teams.
Re: BYU Down? | 7:57 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
BYU was MWC champs one of the years they lost to BSU? Hardly! Those were during
the bleak Crowton years. Both years they played, BYU finished 5-6 and ended up
in 3rd place in the MWC. In fact, those were two of only three years in the
past thirty that BYU had a losing record, so BYU was DEFINITELY down - as down
as they have been since before Lavell Edwards became the coach. Get your facts
straight.
Ohio State | 8:48 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Why is it that any Ohio State team seems to automatically make it to a BCS bowl
game? They have totally stunk it up the past two years in the
"championship" game and have had an easy schedule this year and still
have two loses. I am so sick of seeing Ohio State every year in a bowl
game....give the game to Boise State. They may not have the strength of
schedule either but at least we wouldn't have to see another Buckeye choke.
Ed Clinch | 9:24 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
BSU is on BYU's radar for many years to come...
And the Broncos better be ready. They got lucky in 2004...
BYU and Boise State ought to be good for years, and the early winner hopefully will go undefeated and go to the BCS, or eventually playoffs...
Peace. Oh, yeah. The MWC is much better.
And the Broncos better be ready. They got lucky in 2004...
BYU and Boise State ought to be good for years, and the early winner hopefully will go undefeated and go to the BCS, or eventually playoffs...
Peace. Oh, yeah. The MWC is much better.
Phil | 11:05 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
One observation not mentioned. It would cost the BCS 12 million more dollars to
also pick Boise State. Not going to happen.
Utah Mann | 11:58 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Dude you are dreaming! BSU would kick utah's butt up and down the field.
They own you and will continue to own you. It comes down to utah and it's
fans are chicken to play BSU. Yes you guys are losers when it comes to BSU.
Realist | 12:25 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Wow I would expect a writer from Utah to come up with the "intriguing
possibility" of Utah versus BSU. Get real Utah, you will play Texas in the
Fiesta bowl. They are mad that they aren't in the championship and they
will dominate you. It's not your fault, your coaches and players just
aren't as good. Just don't have false hopes.
give me a break | 12:35 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Nobody knows who would win between the two! Even on paper and computer polls,
both teams are pretty close to evenly matched (within a point or two)! So use
some objectivity and quit bantering like school kids! How do us MWC fans like
it when the Pac 10 and eastern conferences talk trash about the MWC being weak
etc!!! Undefeated in TOUGH in ANY LEAGUE!
The truth is the MWC would be much better off having another power like BSU to rival Utah/BYU/TCU and strengthen the conference to the point the BCS will have to award an automatic berth based on strength vs. the ACC and Big East!
BSU fans should feel ripped off for not getting a chance to prove themselves in the BCS, just like Utah would be if they were excluded in favor of BSU if the computers were just slightly different! We should all root for both to go undefeated and a 1 or 2 loss team to win the "national championship" so the BCS can be exposed even worse for the fraud it is! Then maybe congress will step in and give the power back to the NCAA for a true playoff!!!!
The truth is the MWC would be much better off having another power like BSU to rival Utah/BYU/TCU and strengthen the conference to the point the BCS will have to award an automatic berth based on strength vs. the ACC and Big East!
BSU fans should feel ripped off for not getting a chance to prove themselves in the BCS, just like Utah would be if they were excluded in favor of BSU if the computers were just slightly different! We should all root for both to go undefeated and a 1 or 2 loss team to win the "national championship" so the BCS can be exposed even worse for the fraud it is! Then maybe congress will step in and give the power back to the NCAA for a true playoff!!!!
Lou's dreaming | 12:41 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Lou,
Beating Texas in Texas would have been too much for this Ute team to handle. The Utes played all of their best opponents at home this year, and eeked out a victory against 2 of them.
I hope they do well in a BCS game. We should all be glad that they did not play Texas this year.
Beating Texas in Texas would have been too much for this Ute team to handle. The Utes played all of their best opponents at home this year, and eeked out a victory against 2 of them.
I hope they do well in a BCS game. We should all be glad that they did not play Texas this year.
Re:Re:Utah? | 1:27 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Me again...yeah, the Utes have beaten a 'name' team once in a while,
but follow it through to the end of the season and that team has not been in the
top 2 in their conference or had fewer than 3 losses (ie. Michigan and OrState
this year). I challenge you to name one you've beaten that has finished
well. The rest of the top 10 in most years can claim more wins vs. teams with
better records.
You guys play 9 games every season against patsy teams, your non-conf schedule at best has 2 BCS schools. You cannot project that you would win a conference ie. the PAC 10 just by beating one or two teams in that conference. Those teams play ALL 9 games vs. better teams.
Don't believe me? Take the middle or low end of the PAC 10 and match them up with the middle and low end of the MWC. Not even CLOSE!!!!
You guys play 9 games every season against patsy teams, your non-conf schedule at best has 2 BCS schools. You cannot project that you would win a conference ie. the PAC 10 just by beating one or two teams in that conference. Those teams play ALL 9 games vs. better teams.
Don't believe me? Take the middle or low end of the PAC 10 and match them up with the middle and low end of the MWC. Not even CLOSE!!!!
Go BSU | 7:04 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Utah has NEVER BEAT BSU. Watch BSU get put in the PAC 10 befor Utah or BYU.
What are you talking about | 7:47 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
A Texas- OSU boring? no way that would be some good football. USC- Penn State
boring? no way that would be another great game. I can see that too many
people don't follow football in general. These bowl games have great
potential. These teams are excellent with world class athletes. I understand
having regional interests but to those of us who also just love great college
football in general, calling these games boring is a grave misjudgement.
I'd love to see Utah play a great team though I'm afraid this years
Utes aren't of the same firepower as the 04 Utes and thus could get smoked
like a cuban cigar. The Utes got robbed of really proving themselves in 04 by
drawing Pitt. This year they are barely undefeated and would get creamed by a
big 12 or SEC team. While the Utes have had a great run, it hasn't been
perfect because when they were at their best, they didn't play the best and
now I'm afraid your going to see a Hawaii part II game if they get a big
boy. I hope not but I have a bad feeling about it.
Another example | 10:27 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Quote "B)Utah has no wins against ranked BCS opponents."
Besides the number of examples this year, there have been some big one in years past.
UCLA #11
Georgia Tech ~#20
Besides the number of examples this year, there have been some big one in years past.
UCLA #11
Georgia Tech ~#20
We Own the Cougs | 7:57 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Utah leads in the all-time series with BYU in football, 50-33 and in basketball,
124-120.
Until BYU wins one of the all-time series, you must respect our authority.
Have fun watching us play on National Television in front of millions and millions of adoring fans and sports writers.
Until BYU wins one of the all-time series, you must respect our authority.
Have fun watching us play on National Television in front of millions and millions of adoring fans and sports writers.
DX | 9:26 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
BSU is SOL when it comes to this years BCS. The powers that be will IMO take the
Buckeyes over Smurf turfers.
I'd bet its Utah v SEC Cship loser in the Sugar and Texas v Ohio St in the Fiesta if OU wins the Big 12.
I'd bet its Utah v SEC Cship loser in the Sugar and Texas v Ohio St in the Fiesta if OU wins the Big 12.
bcs pairings | 2:12 p.m. Dec. 3, 2008
re: Fiesta Reality Check | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
The Fiesta is contractually obligated to the Big 12, just like the Rose to the Big 10 and/or Pac 10, the Orange to the ACC, & Sugar to the SEC.
The Fiesta is contractually obligated to the Big 12, just like the Rose to the Big 10 and/or Pac 10, the Orange to the ACC, & Sugar to the SEC.
GO UTES | 6:47 p.m. Dec. 4, 2008
Everybody who says Utah would get stomped by BSU, give me a break. Stop looking
back to 2006 and think about this year. I'm not taking away from Boise in
any way, but they wouldn't be able to move the ball consistently against
Utah's defense. Johnson has had his share of ups and downs, but I (along
with thousands of other ute fans) believe that he has finally found some
maturity in his years of experience and will play a consistent game no matter
where the stage is set. Utah vs BSU would be an exciting matchup for the Fiesta
Bowl, and i predict Utah by at least 14.
Lpeace | 2:17 a.m. Dec. 5, 2008
live in idaho and attend boise state. I hate the boise state football team,
damnit im a utes girl and puhlease boise state is nooo match up for University
of Utah!
BYU/Utah Fan | 6:04 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008
I can't believe the negative bashing of one another's conferences
(MWC/WAC). If we continue this negative rhetoric, we are no better then the so
called 6 power BCS conferences in that they say the non-BCS conferences are
inferior.
Guess what? We're not! However, there is a reason. If you're a "blue chip" kid high school senior deciding which school to attend, your first choice will be a BCS program because the national stage it offers in getting to a bcs bowl game, and later to the NFL. Therefore, the BCS is an illegal monopoly in that BCS schools have an unfair recruiting advantage not to mention where the monies are allocated. Yeah, this is the way to teach our kids about fair play.
We have witnessed our population grow, and parity has increased with that growth. We should be fighting the BCS system not amongst ourselves. BYU, Boise, TCU, and Utah are all outstanding programs. They should be recognized as such.
Guess what? We're not! However, there is a reason. If you're a "blue chip" kid high school senior deciding which school to attend, your first choice will be a BCS program because the national stage it offers in getting to a bcs bowl game, and later to the NFL. Therefore, the BCS is an illegal monopoly in that BCS schools have an unfair recruiting advantage not to mention where the monies are allocated. Yeah, this is the way to teach our kids about fair play.
We have witnessed our population grow, and parity has increased with that growth. We should be fighting the BCS system not amongst ourselves. BYU, Boise, TCU, and Utah are all outstanding programs. They should be recognized as such.
BYU/Utah Fan | 6:28 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008
continued.........
I have to admit that Boise is getting ripped. They have only lost a half dozen games in the last half dozen years? That's impressive for a program that has only been a D-IA program for only over a decade. South Florida needed the help of the BCS to build their program, and they still haven't proven worthy.
BCS was invented because the powers to be didn't want another lower tier program to win a national title (BYU 1984). Barry Swizter cried like a baby saying that his Oklahoma team would have slaughtered BYU. He also stated the same of the 2004-05 Sooners over Boise.
Therefore, there is a lesson to be learned here, competition belongs on the field not in polls or perception.
All conferences should have an automatic BCS berth as long as conference champions have a respectible record and rank. It would probably take about 3-4 years to increase parity but ultimately it would work. If there is another BCS bowl needed use the Cotton bowl. I don't know why they didn't think of this in the first place opposed to the current plus one now.
I have to admit that Boise is getting ripped. They have only lost a half dozen games in the last half dozen years? That's impressive for a program that has only been a D-IA program for only over a decade. South Florida needed the help of the BCS to build their program, and they still haven't proven worthy.
BCS was invented because the powers to be didn't want another lower tier program to win a national title (BYU 1984). Barry Swizter cried like a baby saying that his Oklahoma team would have slaughtered BYU. He also stated the same of the 2004-05 Sooners over Boise.
Therefore, there is a lesson to be learned here, competition belongs on the field not in polls or perception.
All conferences should have an automatic BCS berth as long as conference champions have a respectible record and rank. It would probably take about 3-4 years to increase parity but ultimately it would work. If there is another BCS bowl needed use the Cotton bowl. I don't know why they didn't think of this in the first place opposed to the current plus one now.
BYU/Utah Fan | 8:59 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008
OMG, I can't believe the woulda, coulda, shouldas. Win by a field goal or
by six touch downs, winning is winning. If football teams win with a
combination of good competition they will progress oppose to degress if they
lose; very simple formula. Throw-out all the "they were at home, they had
a soft schedule, they had a down year, etc".
Boise fans, you shouldn't be putting down a fellow non-BCSer trying to give us credibility. BYU/Utah fans how do you put down a program with such an impressive record a young DI-A program?
In terms of scheduling, if I am a football coach, I would "cherry-pick" too. Why schedule a power such as Florida when you know with one loss, you lose out on a BCS game. The so called power conferences do-it. Furthermore, several of them don't want to play at our schools.
Utah's first BCS bowl opponent in Pittsburgh might not have been that great but before that game most sport's analyst didn't give Utah a chance. They said Utah was not used to the "BIG EAST" faster competition. They also tried that argument with Boise and Oklahoma.
Don't let the pundits geographically discriminate against us.
Boise fans, you shouldn't be putting down a fellow non-BCSer trying to give us credibility. BYU/Utah fans how do you put down a program with such an impressive record a young DI-A program?
In terms of scheduling, if I am a football coach, I would "cherry-pick" too. Why schedule a power such as Florida when you know with one loss, you lose out on a BCS game. The so called power conferences do-it. Furthermore, several of them don't want to play at our schools.
Utah's first BCS bowl opponent in Pittsburgh might not have been that great but before that game most sport's analyst didn't give Utah a chance. They said Utah was not used to the "BIG EAST" faster competition. They also tried that argument with Boise and Oklahoma.
Don't let the pundits geographically discriminate against us.
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BSU should be in ahead of Ohio St. even though it won't happen. TCU and Ball State should be in ahead of the ACC and Big East too. That is the real kicker of the BCS.
BSU is legit, and they will have their chance to settle it on the field with the MWC in the next few years.