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Sore losers won't let go in California

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Lee Benson, | 6:42 p.m. Dec. 5, 2008

Consider me a sore loser on Prop 8.
I'm not going to let it go, and neither will most of the country.
Some things are just wrong, like you and Prop 8.
I'll be patient, though. Don't think it won't come up again, and eventually we'll get some progress, even in Utah.
Be secure in your sexuality, Lee.

To David | 12:27 p.m. | 6:45 p.m. Dec. 5, 2008

David ---

are you kidding?

What do you call a two-parent household where there are two parents --- man and woman and they are not married?

not marriage ---

By the same definition, a two-parent household where both parents are the same gender.

in this case, where gays cannot marry --- legally, it is also not marriage.

Sorry, we do need to define these things.

Grow up.

To those afraid that | 9:51 p.m. Dec. 5, 2008

"allowing" gay marriage (or unions) will make people gay or something needs a reality check. Gay people have always been with us...it's just that now they are demanding their equality. We all have different traits and no person will ever be exactly the same as another. Similarly, we will always have gay people, but the majority of people were and are heteosexual. We will never have to worry about extinction (not because of this anyway)! And to the person who wonders who wants to talk to someone who believes in the Bible...I do, but only in the things that we can use in today's society. The Bible was written thousands of years ago by people with much more limited knowledge about various things than we have. How many people practice all the things the Bible teaches today? Very few...yet religions pick and choose what they will believe in it.

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Please dont | 11:35 p.m. Dec. 5, 2008

This is a sincere request, truly. Please don't mock the Lord with the idea that He supports the gay lifestyle and gay marriage. The Lord has said He will not be mocked. Again, I plead with you to quit mocking God and not use Him to excuse your gay lifestyle. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, remember Pompey Remember Alexandria. If you are going to live the gay lifestyle- Don't laugh at the Lord and make trivial His glory. The Laws of Newton are like the Laws of Eternity: Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you cannot understand this truth, then sadly, your heart is too harden to understand any truth.

This is a sincere response, | 12:28 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008

Who are you to say you know how God feels about gays?

We both know the answer to that, so please don't assume you know the mind and heart of God.

Noted | 12:37 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008

I appreciate the feadback. Thank you! I will do my best to set the example for my fellow citizens. I love this news orgainzation, and for the privledge to speak out in support of Prop 8.

David | 6:59 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008

My point, which was clearly written, was to show that the courts treated children differently if the parents were not married regarding custody issues. If parents are married, IT IS ASSUMED, that the husband is the father. If they are unmarried, that is not the assumption the court takes often demanding DNA testing even if the male states he is the father. Marriage is for the protection of children even if you don't like it. Gays DO NOT produce children EVER without a third party and do not need the protection of marriage though they do without question deserve the legal rights appropriate to their needs including right of survivorship, end of life decision, and etc. Please don't pretend that I "need to grow up." I am merely reading the law and the Supreme Court of California erred especially considering California Family Code 301 and even Loving V. Virginia "survival of the species" the case that allowed for interracial marriage. Gay don't need marriage, yes it is wanted but it isn't a need or even a right.

To sincere response: | 7:51 a.m. Dec. 6, 2008

Because I have read, pondered, and prayed sincerely about all the Lord's scriptures. I have studied them and listened to Him. The answers are very clear about how He has stated the role of a man and a woman. You must look at the eternities and not to just the hear and now. You must be teachable and not go with your gut instinct. The Lord will only talk to those who are willing to put aside their own comvenient paradigm of life. His will is not our will. It would be so easy for the LDS or any other religious denomination to say "okay" gay marriage is acceptable. But, we can't because the Spirit burns so deeply of the roles we will have eternally. Truth from the spirit shapes and fills the very beings that we all are.

Anonymous | 3:41 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008

"Consider me a sore loser on Prop 8.
I'm not going to let it go, and neither will most of the country."

If most of the country was against Proposition 8, "most of the country" wouldn't be voting for it, don't you think? Seriously, did you even READ the article?

stat | 10:01 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008

how many non-LDS people from California voted to ban gay marriage? Anybody know?

heroin | 10:29 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008

some children are born from women who are on heroin. the child is born messed up, maybe for the rest of their lives. should we change the laws and allow heroin, just because some are addicted to this behavior? Just because gays are addicted to their behavior, doesn't mean we should change our laws to allow it in our society.

Maxie Burns | 10:32 a.m. Dec. 8, 2008

The difference here is that in California, we already had the right to marry, and Prop. 8 took that right away.

I resent being called a whiner. If I were straight and someone put to a vote that I no longer had the right to marry (something that I already had), it would be called righteous indignation, a civil rights issue, and the streets would be filled with protestors.

My only suggestion to Lee, who seems to think he has this problem all solved - its just a bunch of whining losers folks - would be to walk a few miles in our shoes and see how it feels. He might learn a few things, most of all, compassion for those who have had their rights arbitrarily taken away from them by a bigoted majority.

re Maxie | 3:08 p.m. Dec. 8, 2008

Maxie, you shouldn't have had the "right" to begin with in.

Anonymous | 5:55 p.m. Dec. 8, 2008

"The difference here is that in California, we already had the right to marry, and Prop. 8 took that right away."

Who ever said marriage was a "right?"
Do you know how many people go through their lives without getting married? Seriously.

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