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Sore losers won't let go in California

Perhaps it has a little something to do with the lies, deceit and manipulation that the "Yes on 8" campaign based their campaign on. However, in your "Ends justify the means" world, I guess winning by any means necessary is ok.

What you fail to address is that it is a very scary proposition that anyone's Constitutional rights can be taken away by a 50%+1 vote in California (and yet a tax for subway construction required a 2/3 majority)....that should tell you something is seriously wrong.

Second, gay marriage does nothing to discriminate against those who favor so called "traditional" marriage. They remain free to promote and hold those beliefs. It is funny however, that the Mormon church, a church with a history of non-traditional marriage would finance in large part an initiative touting the sacredness of traditional marriage.

Good article. As a member of the LDS church,I've been following the events in California. My concern is for the children. Making gay marriage legal would open the doors to the adoption of children, who would have little or no choice in the matter. THAT is why LDS were for prop 8. The opponents can trot out whatever stats they want, but children NEED to be in a family with a FATHER and a MOTHER. Two of the same doesn't qualify.

It is offensive to have these protests characterized as whining. Most of the protesters and supporters see this as a civil rights issue. The momentum that continues to carry forward activism is much like the stone rolling downhill, it is picking up steam. It will be an issue until the laws are changed to include all people.

I for one am glad the "whiners" persevered in the late 1800s and the 1960s. How about you? How long would you champion change for something you believe in? This nation would look dramatically different if when handed defeat everyone went quietly home.

Traditional marriage is worthy of being protected. It is high time that a US constitutional amendment defining marriage is written and adopted ending the debate.

amen.

Thanks Lee. Amen.

Let it go DesNews. It's like picking a scab over and over.

This whole thing has been discussed ad nauseum with the only result being bad feelings on both sides.

Well stated. Won't change anyone's mind. The majority have spoken and the minority continues to ask for rights forced on the majority by the minority. They can't have it both ways but they will continue to whine and whine and whine. I only wish the debate would be civil and not disgusting as the minority have chosen it to be. But then again, the minority are always right and the rights of the majority are irrelevant. The whole thing makes me sick.

Hey, Lee!

Ever hear the phrase "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again"?

With some more education to dispel hate-spawned myths, Californians will eventually get this one right.

I keep hearing about the lies used to win prop 8. What lies? You mean the one that said gay radicals would demand the tax exempt status of churches would be take away? Look at what the protestors are demanding! The lie that said people who believed in traditional marriage would be ostracized? Look at what the gay radicals have tried to accomplish with their boycotts! That people and churches that don�t teach gay marriage would begin to be attacked and ridiculed? Well, well, well. Don�t you think that accusing the pro marriage side of the issue with lies is beginning to look a little silly about now?

This is stupid. Slavery won the popular vote. Maybe the slaves should have just stopped whinning. Or, those pro-lifers, you lost so stop whinning. The Courts are not activist when the rule that something is unconstitutional. They are suppose to go against the majority if the minority is discriminated against. Get a clue.

When the gays let it go it will go away.
I say let them have children, IF they can figure out a way to do it without using someone else to supply the child. There is a biological reason gays can't procreate.

Why do the gay/lesbian groups need the definition of marriage changed to allow their idea of marriage to exist?
Is it the idea that their lifestyle choice MUST be accepted by all?
Society in general is tolerant of their lifestyle choice. Sadly, tolerance is just a 'Politically Correct' word for conceding ones values to Man's desires.
Get it straight world...God abhors sin in any form. Period.
God said, 'Love the sinner, not the sin.'
We as Christians (from all denominations) understand what is at stake and thus will stand up for and defend God's definition of marriage.
After all, He made the first couple, He made and defined the first marriage as between a man and a woman, and He said we are to follow His commandments. We should be more concerned with what God wants than what Man wants.

To Clueless, there was no vote on abortion, that decision was made by judicial fiat. Just like gay marriage. That is one reason abortion is still an issue more than 30 years later, it was never a decision by the voters.

Great article. Finally someone is talking about the rights of the unborn.
The real problem is gays will not stop until they have homosexuality defined as normal. That means it must be taught in the schools, and protected by any lawyer who chooses to sue. Anyone who does not accept their agenda as normal can and likely will be sued.
When in the past have lawyers not sued when given the power to do so?
What society in world history has propered by promoting homosexual rights?
Maybe letting the majority decide is not that bad after all?

To Clueless: Slavery didn't win the popular vote. The Constitution was amended (13th and 14th) by the indirect congressional and state's voting according to the process set forth in Article V. Furthermore the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by indirect popular vote. Abolishing slavery and poor treatment of blacks was not the single product of the courts.

The gays are upset not just because Prop 8 passed, but because Obama won and it passed. They suddenly realized that even people on the left don't support gay marriage

I've overwhelmed by the lack of empathy in this article and in the postings.

FYI. Morality doesn't come from your flowery, fraudulent scripture. It comes from empathy.

Sore loser? Try empathy. Imagine - just image for a minute, please - what it would be like to have people vote against your right to have a family. What would it be like for you if your marriage had just been nullified in a ballot initiative, and your neighbors had just coughed up millions to see it through. You seem OK with individual rights coming and going with a casual majority referendum.

Your flippant drivel shows how your culture is not only morally deprived, but intellectually deprived as well. Maybe you'd be so kind to go back to sports writing.

Amen!

This is not about equal rights, this is about forcing an agenda. The gay-rights groups have always been "In Your Face" and that is where they want to be. The want to force everyone to believe that their way of life is normal. What about my civil rights. They are attacked every time I see a "Gay Rights" parade. They are attacked every time I am forced to explain to my children that we believe that those acts are evil. From what I understand from here in "Fly-over" country, the Gays in California have all the rights of a married couple except the formal "Marriage" title. What else are they fighting for except normalization of what many believe is abnormal?

It's sad that civility has gone out of civil rights.

There is a difference between protesting and vandalizing, defaming, and intimidating. I am all for the protesting. BUT the reasin this article is calling this whining is because the protesters are also vandalizing, defaming, and intimidating. THIS IS NOT LEGAL OR RIGHT. Go ahead a protest, go ahead and work to pass the rights you believe that you should have.I'm ok with that and so are most American's. BUT STOP your vandalizing, defaming, intimidating and whining.