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Dick Harmon: Boise State should man up, play TCU
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Big Daddy | 3:26 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Better to be a big fish in a little pond (WAC)than a big fish in the other
little pond (MWC) with more big fish...Utah, BYU, Air Force, TCU....
BSU should stay in the WAC...where they can get the lions' share of conference championships, sharing a sprinkling with Fresno and Hawaii...
History: Look how meager Arizona State and Arizona programs became after leaving their previous conference - where they were the big fishes...only to become second fiddles in the PAC-10
BSU should stay in the WAC...where they can get the lions' share of conference championships, sharing a sprinkling with Fresno and Hawaii...
History: Look how meager Arizona State and Arizona programs became after leaving their previous conference - where they were the big fishes...only to become second fiddles in the PAC-10
Wasatch | 4:31 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
While TSU and BSU playing would be a great game and fun to watch, both UTAH and
BSU need to be playing every single BCS team they can. They both take enough
"flak" for not playing enough BCS teams. In addition, both teams need
access to the BCS. One unintended consequence of TCU and BSU playing might be
to slowly develop simply a mid-major playoff system mindset and permanently put
both all of the ranked non-BCS teams into a lower category.
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SLC Fan | 5:13 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
TCU and BSU would be a great game! It would bring a measuring stick of the
strength of BSU versus the MWC. However I'm not sure it would be in the
best interests of BSU or the non-BCS group.
When strength of schedule is brought up "mid-majors" are criticized if they don't play enough BCS teams and seldom is much said how good the teams are. BSU is especially criticized for not playing many BCS teams. The Humanitarian Bowl features a BCS ACC team, albeit 8th place.
Of more subtle concern is the growing tendency to deal with the non-BSC teams as a category that should have it's own championship. The mid-majors need to compete as equals in the BCS!
The TCU/BSU game potential would be a great one, but it has some worrisome undertones.
When strength of schedule is brought up "mid-majors" are criticized if they don't play enough BCS teams and seldom is much said how good the teams are. BSU is especially criticized for not playing many BCS teams. The Humanitarian Bowl features a BCS ACC team, albeit 8th place.
Of more subtle concern is the growing tendency to deal with the non-BSC teams as a category that should have it's own championship. The mid-majors need to compete as equals in the BCS!
The TCU/BSU game potential would be a great one, but it has some worrisome undertones.
Boise to BCS | 5:20 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Oregon State lost today which means the Pac-10 will now only get 1 bid. So it
comes down to Boise State or Ohio State. That's undefeated Boise State and
two-loss Ohio State. That's BCS "darling" Boise State vs
BCS-bomb Ohio State. How many implosions has Ohio State had in BCS bowls? Who
played one of the greatest games in history in a BCS bowl?
The answer is simple... Boise State gets a BCS bid while Ohio State goes elsewhere.
Go non-BCS schools/conferences!! Go Utah, Go Boise!
The answer is simple... Boise State gets a BCS bid while Ohio State goes elsewhere.
Go non-BCS schools/conferences!! Go Utah, Go Boise!
SLC fan | 5:22 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Is there some problem with presenting a slightly different view. Why cut my
comment? It wasn't negative, not off topic? Valid comments?
Don't understand your censorship.
Don't understand your censorship.
How about | 5:31 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Boise State vs BYU, this one would be a big time thud for the MWC. Boise would
put up a big number against your mighty Cougars.
brian | 5:45 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
1. Last time BSU played TCU and won, the MWC chosr TCU anywway. How would
defeating TCU again help us gain entrance?
2. Man-Card? You're kidding right? When has BSU been afraid of any MWC team? After playing and defeating your top teams for several years now, I think the outcome is about 99% sealed!
3. BSU actually has a better chance of being selected over tOSU. Still unlikely;not impossible. So, that is the best option if it comes the way of BSU.
4. Most MWC fans from TCU, Utah and BYU feel that BSU doesn't belong. Well, if you want BSU, then stop crying about not being able to beat the Broncos.
5. The MWC commissioner indicated that BSU would not have been undefeated in the MWC. Mr. Thompson ought to learn to keep his words to himself. Since BSU has already had the equivalent of an undefeated regular season (12-0 against the mighty MWC), Mr. Thompson looks silly.
2. Man-Card? You're kidding right? When has BSU been afraid of any MWC team? After playing and defeating your top teams for several years now, I think the outcome is about 99% sealed!
3. BSU actually has a better chance of being selected over tOSU. Still unlikely;not impossible. So, that is the best option if it comes the way of BSU.
4. Most MWC fans from TCU, Utah and BYU feel that BSU doesn't belong. Well, if you want BSU, then stop crying about not being able to beat the Broncos.
5. The MWC commissioner indicated that BSU would not have been undefeated in the MWC. Mr. Thompson ought to learn to keep his words to himself. Since BSU has already had the equivalent of an undefeated regular season (12-0 against the mighty MWC), Mr. Thompson looks silly.
COMMON SENSE | 6:00 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
SAYING BOISE ST. WOULD HAVE 4 LOSSES IN THE MWC IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALISTIC
AS SAYING GOOD OLD BYU WOULD HAVE MAYBE AT BEST 2 WINS IN THE SEC!!!
THE MWC ISNT AS GOOD AS YOU BAFOONS THINK IT IS AND BOISE IS BETTER THAN YOU WILL ALWAYS CREDIT THEM TO BE!!!
TCU IS THE BEST TEAM IN THE MWC, FOLLOWED BY UTAH AND BYU- ALL THREE OF THESE TEAMS WOULD RANK NEAR THE BOTTOM IN THE SEC!! REALISM HURTS DOESN'T IT!!
THE MWC ISNT AS GOOD AS YOU BAFOONS THINK IT IS AND BOISE IS BETTER THAN YOU WILL ALWAYS CREDIT THEM TO BE!!!
TCU IS THE BEST TEAM IN THE MWC, FOLLOWED BY UTAH AND BYU- ALL THREE OF THESE TEAMS WOULD RANK NEAR THE BOTTOM IN THE SEC!! REALISM HURTS DOESN'T IT!!
BS-You-who? | 7:21 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Sure, BSu has put up very padded numbers and even had success against poor teams
from the MWC. I don't want them, not for their sports package, rather
their incredibly poor academics. Put up the graduation rates and you'll
quickly see why they don't belong in the MWC. You are 12-0 with only one
quality win in the bunch (barely) but your average GPA would have you going to
some tech school for your GRE instead of your BCS. Do I need to spell this out?
To Common Sense | 7:24 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Well I agree with you that the SEC is a tough conference, but if BSU were in the
SEC they would be the bottom. BSU will always be Utah's kid brother
looking for acceptance. Who cares if BSU is 12-0 against MWC teams in the past,
it doesn't mean anything this year. You would have lost 4 games in the
MWC.
John | 7:38 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
This column is, as usual, a day late and a dollar short based on
yesterday's games. I wish Boise would would play TCU. After Oregon's
win over Oregon State, Boise is in the BCS. It will come down to Ohio State
verus Boise State for the last spot, and an undefeated Boise will get it. Hope
Utah gets a better game than playing Boise.
Re: Common sense | 7:42 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Hey, don't try to talk to these guys about common sense. Didn't you
get the memo? The mwc jumped up there and joined the sec, big 10, big 12, etc.
this year. In fact, I think they are better than any conference this year.
Look at how they smashed Oregon State, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, and all the other
"good" teams this year. It's not even close actually. The mwc
would dominate head to head any conference in the country. End of story.
Mark May? | 7:44 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Mark May is elitist, pious, egotistical and arrogant. Some aging and maturing
will eventually come. For example, consider Brent Mussberger's comments at
the end of the Oklahoma game last night suggesting that the BCS should include
two non-BCS in the BCS, specifically undefeated Boise State.
Why not? If BYU were 12-0 everyone would be screaming for them to be included. If TCU were 12-0 everyone including Dick Harmon would be screaming for them to be included.
It is unfortunate that the bowl lineups are content to make a "good matchup" so that either a TCU or a Boise State knock the other off so the big conferences can say about the losing team "I told you so."
A TCU v. Boise State matchup does nothing to foster inter-conference play, but relegates either the MWC or WAC to a sure loser, both to lesser brethren status.
Dick, your approach falls into the hands of the BCS. You should be demanding something other than the little guys eating each other up and urging something like the Vegas Bowl which will likely have BYU v. Cal. Why not BCS schedule Boise State v. Cincinnati and TCU v. Ball State?
Sorry Dick try again.
Why not? If BYU were 12-0 everyone would be screaming for them to be included. If TCU were 12-0 everyone including Dick Harmon would be screaming for them to be included.
It is unfortunate that the bowl lineups are content to make a "good matchup" so that either a TCU or a Boise State knock the other off so the big conferences can say about the losing team "I told you so."
A TCU v. Boise State matchup does nothing to foster inter-conference play, but relegates either the MWC or WAC to a sure loser, both to lesser brethren status.
Dick, your approach falls into the hands of the BCS. You should be demanding something other than the little guys eating each other up and urging something like the Vegas Bowl which will likely have BYU v. Cal. Why not BCS schedule Boise State v. Cincinnati and TCU v. Ball State?
Sorry Dick try again.
Utah Fan | 7:50 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
I think everyone here needs to realize that this is all speculation. You
can't say that BSU is better or worse than teams in the MWC because THEY
DIDN'T PLAY THIS YEAR. Everyone has their own opinions about who they would
or would not beat. BSU has an advantage to go undefeated in that they play an
easier schedule week in and week out. They are going to have this same problem
every year while they are in the WAC where if someone else goes undefeated, they
likely won't make the BCS. That alone should be reason to leave the WAC for
another conference (specifically the MWC). All the same, Utah earned the BCS bid
by having a tougher schedule overall (beating 3 ranked teams and not 1), sorry
BSU fans, but that is just the problem of playing in the WAC. BSU is a good
team, but we don't know how good they are. They need better competition.
DH | 7:53 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
What an arrogant and ignorant article. Fans of the Mtn West have been making the
claim for years that BSU could not compete in their league and yet league teams
have never been able to match up. Utah beat no one that could really be called
an impressive team. The MWC teams beat a bunch of weak teams that don't
merit any consideration for anything.
Pure ego and ignorance!
Pure ego and ignorance!
DMW | 7:54 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
BSU's record against MWC teams is not equivalent to an undefeated regular
season because each time they played a MWC team, that team did not finish near
the top of the league. So it was more like playing the bottom half of MWC for
two seasons in a row. I live in Idaho and get weary of the smack talk from BSU
fans. BSU has had just one road win against BCS teams in their history. The
top MWC teams all have several road wins against BCS teams. Until BSU gets to
that level then they really have no reason to talk smack.
brian | 7:57 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
"BSU will always be Utah's kid brother looking for acceptance"
Yeah...I like people who post these kinds of messages. You do realize your "kid brother" has kicked your hiney several times recently right?
Also, BSU did "man up" and play TCU in a bowl...They beat TCU in that bowl.
now what?
Yeah...I like people who post these kinds of messages. You do realize your "kid brother" has kicked your hiney several times recently right?
Also, BSU did "man up" and play TCU in a bowl...They beat TCU in that bowl.
now what?
brian | 8:00 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
"poor teams from the MWC"
Again... ridiculous comments from unknowing fans. BSU has played and defeated the very pinnacle of the MWC multiple times on the road or at home.
BSU's wins are aginst the very best of the MWC...not just the MWC low lifes
Next!
Again... ridiculous comments from unknowing fans. BSU has played and defeated the very pinnacle of the MWC multiple times on the road or at home.
BSU's wins are aginst the very best of the MWC...not just the MWC low lifes
Next!
brian | 8:03 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
"There has been talk that they would rather join the PAC-10"
Where has this talk ever come from? Not the fans that are knowledgeable and, certainly not the administration.
Just because you say it, does not mean it is so. Better provide some links to these "talks"
Where has this talk ever come from? Not the fans that are knowledgeable and, certainly not the administration.
Just because you say it, does not mean it is so. Better provide some links to these "talks"
mark may the tool | 8:10 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
The same Mark May that said that the other night also said BYU was the best
non-BCS team left. This was one day before they lost to the Utes and AFTER they
were soundly thrashed by TCU. He has no credibility. The MWC has benefited by
their tv deal this year. Nobody has been able to watch them play!! TCU went from
a losing record to walking through the tough MWC in their first season. It was
not too long ago that a one loss TCU played a bowl game on their home field vs a
one loss BSU. TCU was geeked up for it and took the early lead, but in the end,
BSU prevailed. The only reason I want to play TCU is to shut up the obnoxious
MWC fans. But that would be only temporary. (see 2006 vs Utah)
BCS | 8:17 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Boise State, as of today, should be in the BCS. They've earned it.
MWC/BSU better without each othr | 8:19 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Sorry, but it's true. BSU has been to one and possibly 2 BCS bowls by
being in the WAC... that is $$$ to them. If they were in the MWC they probably
wouldn't have been in either.
But BSU would probably have challenged Utah in both of their BCS season, possibly beating them or wearing them down for a loss in the following week or two.
It's actually better for the MWC to have some weak/mediocre teams that provide "rest" games in between the big battles. If you add BSU to the mix, you may very well get the mess that the ACC has this year with a conference champ that has four losses... nobody wants to see that, and without an auto-BCS link there is no way a 4-loss team gets a BCS bowl
Sad realities, but BSU is better off in the WAC and the MWC is better off without BSU. Please don't try to force this marriage...
But BSU would probably have challenged Utah in both of their BCS season, possibly beating them or wearing them down for a loss in the following week or two.
It's actually better for the MWC to have some weak/mediocre teams that provide "rest" games in between the big battles. If you add BSU to the mix, you may very well get the mess that the ACC has this year with a conference champ that has four losses... nobody wants to see that, and without an auto-BCS link there is no way a 4-loss team gets a BCS bowl
Sad realities, but BSU is better off in the WAC and the MWC is better off without BSU. Please don't try to force this marriage...
Andy | 8:24 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Why would BSU ever look to leave unless it was for an automatic qualifying
conference? ESPN just signed a the BCS contract through 2015, so nothing will
change as far as format untill 2016, and by then a playoff could be in place. As
it stands now the WAC has had more teams qualify for a BCS berth than the MWC
(Boise in '06 Hawaii in '07 and Boise again qualifies this year), and
the ESPN contract with the WAC is more attractive than the MWC television
contract as far as exposure is concerned. All joining the MWC at this point
would do is limit opportunities for both Boise and the schools currently in the
MWC, not expand them.
Re: brian | 8:25 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
wow, BSU wins are "aginst?" the very best of the MWC... BYU in 2004?
one of the worst seasons in BYU's history and BYU was a missed field goal
away from winning in Boise. Win at BYU a year earlier? The worst season in
BYU's history. You beat TCU in a bowl game in 2003? You will get killed
by them this year. Keep trying BSU fans. It must be hard hating the MWC and
trying to deny the fact that everyone knows they can't get into it as much
as they want to.
Oregon/Oregon State/BSU/Utah/BYU | 8:33 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Dick Harmon, looking to Mark May for leadership and guidance is curious at
best.
Try as he might, albeit begrudgingly, for Dick to say out of one side of his keyboard that Boise State should be in the MWC to give it depth and strength he takes it away by the other side by giving, to quote the poet, "damned by faint praise."
Utah beat Oregon State in SLC. Boise State beat Oregon at Eugene, and guess what? Oregon crushed Oregon State in Corvalis. Advantage BSU.
Utah crushed BYU and dodged a bullet with TCU.
The only way to ever know whether Boise State is the equal of what appears to be what all the pundits seem to believe is a stronger conference is to play the MWC schools every year. I admit it would be a challenge to dominate the MWC like Boise State has done to the WAC, but they seem to have the knack of finding a way to win.
Once again, like everyone else in Cougar World, Dick Harmon whines about Matt Paine's chip shot miss and ties the Cougar loss to . . . . . guess who? Gary Crowton.
Mr. Harmon,get a grip.
Try as he might, albeit begrudgingly, for Dick to say out of one side of his keyboard that Boise State should be in the MWC to give it depth and strength he takes it away by the other side by giving, to quote the poet, "damned by faint praise."
Utah beat Oregon State in SLC. Boise State beat Oregon at Eugene, and guess what? Oregon crushed Oregon State in Corvalis. Advantage BSU.
Utah crushed BYU and dodged a bullet with TCU.
The only way to ever know whether Boise State is the equal of what appears to be what all the pundits seem to believe is a stronger conference is to play the MWC schools every year. I admit it would be a challenge to dominate the MWC like Boise State has done to the WAC, but they seem to have the knack of finding a way to win.
Once again, like everyone else in Cougar World, Dick Harmon whines about Matt Paine's chip shot miss and ties the Cougar loss to . . . . . guess who? Gary Crowton.
Mr. Harmon,get a grip.
TCU Kid | 8:37 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
TCU is by far the best team in the MWC. They played adequately against
Oklahoma. Utah didn't beat TCU, TCU lost.
By far, TCU is the strength of the MWC.
By far, TCU is the strength of the MWC.
Matt | 8:42 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Amazing:
Is everyone that is saying BSU won't match up the same people that start crying every time someone from the national media says the MWC doesn't stack up with the SEC and Big 12 (true by the way). You are doing the same thing to BSU that everyone does to you. I am not a BSU fan but you guys need to step back and take a big breath. Someone said yesterday BSU shouldn't join the MWC because all they have to offer is football: I forget how good Wyoming, CSU, NEW Mexico, and SDSU are at all sports.
Is everyone that is saying BSU won't match up the same people that start crying every time someone from the national media says the MWC doesn't stack up with the SEC and Big 12 (true by the way). You are doing the same thing to BSU that everyone does to you. I am not a BSU fan but you guys need to step back and take a big breath. Someone said yesterday BSU shouldn't join the MWC because all they have to offer is football: I forget how good Wyoming, CSU, NEW Mexico, and SDSU are at all sports.
what....? | 8:49 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Where is Boise?...and when did they get a football team?...
Is it part of the US foreign policy College exchange program to play teams from Mexico and Canada?
If we are going to play Division III teams why not just give $2,000 bucks to Westminster College to field a team and just play them?!
Is it part of the US foreign policy College exchange program to play teams from Mexico and Canada?
If we are going to play Division III teams why not just give $2,000 bucks to Westminster College to field a team and just play them?!
Daily Credit | 8:50 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
I believe BSU should have a chance to play against a legitimate MWC heavyweight,
TCU, in the bowl game. BYU is not considered a heavyweight this year. However,
BSU will walk all over BYU. Thus, TCU is the perfect opponent to decide whether
or not BSU can play in MWC. I believe they can since BSU can handedly destroy
BYU and other MWC teams save TCU & UTAH.
I believe BSU is a great team with a great program that will continue its success. With that said, a game against TCU will prove that they can hang with better competition.
Here's hoping BSU plays TCU.
I believe BSU is a great team with a great program that will continue its success. With that said, a game against TCU will prove that they can hang with better competition.
Here's hoping BSU plays TCU.
Ute Fan | 8:51 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
One reason that people are looking so down on the WAC is because of the terrible
showing by Hawaii last year. Hawaii was terrible, but got a BCS bid because they
went undefeated in the WAC. No wonder Ohio State could get in over BSU. And
please stop hanging your hats on 1 game against Oregon this year. It isn't
enough (the BCS is tending to agree with that statement)!
smurf turf fan | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
I persoanaly think the MCW is a natural fit for both the MWC and Boise State.
Ease of travel, Stadium capacity - one that is sold out for every game - how
many other MWC besides the Y and Utes - when they are winning, accomplish that?
A huge fan following to away games, a great host city and one of the best
winning programs in the country. MWC get over it - Boise State would be an asset
and if everything considered give the MWC a viable arguement to a BCS Birth!!
Ute Fan | 8:57 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
BSU vs TCU. This would perhaps be the best non-BCS bowl game if it happens.
There would be a lot of interest in this game, myself included. I'm also
hoping this game goes down.
TED | 9:00 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
OREGONS WIN OVER OREGON ST. LAST NIGHT GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH MOMENTUM AND LUCK
OF THE BOUNCE HAS TO DO WITH WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES. ONE GAME IN ANY CONFERENCE
DOES'NT TELL A WHOLE BUNCH! THESE BOWL GAMES THIS YEAR WILL TELL US ONLY
ONE THING. THE NATIONAL CHAMPION! THEY WON'T TELL US WHO IS REALLY
2ND,3RD,4TH,5TH OR ANY OTHER D-- THING!
Greg | 9:04 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
First of all Boise going to the Poinsettia bowl has NOTHING to do with them. It
has everything to do with the WAC commish. giving them the opportunity.
Bronco Nation would love nothing more than to play there (assuming we don't get a BCS bid).
BSU would beat TCU by at least 2 touchdown
Bronco Nation would love nothing more than to play there (assuming we don't get a BCS bid).
BSU would beat TCU by at least 2 touchdown
How About This | 9:09 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Lets have Boise State and Utah meet in a BCS bowl game. Where does Utah get that
they are better and need to embarrass themselves and the State by playing a top
5 team? I want to see BSU vs Utah.
frog horn | 9:10 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
to any one at BSU.
2 teams held OU to 35 pts.....UT at home and TCU at Norman.
who beat OU...tcu in norman and BSU in Fiesta
TCU played Utah Thurs. nite..in Salt lake...after a satruday road game.
where are your top 10 opponents on your schedule.
no where my friends ..no where
we were in the WAC...left that lamo league first oppty. sure, stay where you are and regularing trounce San Diego State and play UofI and Montanna.
broncs will get brokke in any BCS bowl.
i say.....lets meet up, BSU vs, TCU, in a bowl, and settle and old score from the 1st armed services bowl.
2 teams held OU to 35 pts.....UT at home and TCU at Norman.
who beat OU...tcu in norman and BSU in Fiesta
TCU played Utah Thurs. nite..in Salt lake...after a satruday road game.
where are your top 10 opponents on your schedule.
no where my friends ..no where
we were in the WAC...left that lamo league first oppty. sure, stay where you are and regularing trounce San Diego State and play UofI and Montanna.
broncs will get brokke in any BCS bowl.
i say.....lets meet up, BSU vs, TCU, in a bowl, and settle and old score from the 1st armed services bowl.
Horned Frog Fan | 9:11 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Most TCU players do not want to play Boise. We want a game against a team with
a proven national reputation and a rich football heritage.
I'm sorry, but down here in Texas we don't view Idaho as having a rich football tradition. On the other hand, I understand you guys grow some pretty amazing potatos. That's something to be proud of.
I'm sorry, but down here in Texas we don't view Idaho as having a rich football tradition. On the other hand, I understand you guys grow some pretty amazing potatos. That's something to be proud of.
Bodidley State University (BSU) | 9:27 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
should play TCU and get smashed.
WAC does not measure up to MWC.
frog horn | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
first ...apologies for the spelling above
2nd....i think BSU would be great fit for MWC...perhaps at same time MWC picks up baylor or UTEP or some other demographic and geographical match
none of us MWC teams will ever be consistent winners in current BCS conferences. big schools, with big alumni bases can get huge money for athletics facilities, salaries, etc. Is TCU, BSU , BYU or even Utah going to shell out $2 mill. for head coach. No way. Can BSU recruit against USC or other Pac-10? no way. can you fill up bronco stadioum with 65k fans. no way.
read last months texas monthly about the fund raising machine that is UT.
BSU is a great mid-major football team and would consistently compete with MWC powerhouse and former national champ(1937) TCU.
see you in san diego
2nd....i think BSU would be great fit for MWC...perhaps at same time MWC picks up baylor or UTEP or some other demographic and geographical match
none of us MWC teams will ever be consistent winners in current BCS conferences. big schools, with big alumni bases can get huge money for athletics facilities, salaries, etc. Is TCU, BSU , BYU or even Utah going to shell out $2 mill. for head coach. No way. Can BSU recruit against USC or other Pac-10? no way. can you fill up bronco stadioum with 65k fans. no way.
read last months texas monthly about the fund raising machine that is UT.
BSU is a great mid-major football team and would consistently compete with MWC powerhouse and former national champ(1937) TCU.
see you in san diego
Boise St. to the BSC? Not | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
You are just looking at things through blue colored glasses. You think that 12-0
is better than 10-2 and that is all that should be looked at.
The fact is this:
In the world of college football BCS school at 10-2 is at least equal if not better than a 12-0 non-bcs team.
Add to that you look at how well teams travel and Ohio St. wins hands down.
Add to that the national TV audience again Ohio St. hands down.
Bowl teams not only look at the opponent but how well they can fill seats and get money into their community. Boise St. may sell all their tickets, but Ohio St. will move in a week before the game and fill up the entire city.
You have a stadium that sells 30,000 tickets a game. Ohio St sells 102,000 a game. Do the math.
The fact is this:
In the world of college football BCS school at 10-2 is at least equal if not better than a 12-0 non-bcs team.
Add to that you look at how well teams travel and Ohio St. wins hands down.
Add to that the national TV audience again Ohio St. hands down.
Bowl teams not only look at the opponent but how well they can fill seats and get money into their community. Boise St. may sell all their tickets, but Ohio St. will move in a week before the game and fill up the entire city.
You have a stadium that sells 30,000 tickets a game. Ohio St sells 102,000 a game. Do the math.
OSU vs BSU | 9:36 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
It looks to me that the debate over the last at-large bid will almost certainly
be between Ohio State and Boise State.
If they played head to head, who would win? All my $ is on Ohio State. Am I the only one on planet earth that remembers that prior to the Florida debacle in 2006-07 they were 4-0 in BCS game and lauded for their ability to show up for the big games?
They might have lost some of their mojo, but don't count those guys out. They would absolutely dismantle either Utah or BSU, and if recent history is any gauge (think Colt McCoy vs. James Laurinaitis), then OSU would have a great shot at completely embarassing a Big 12 team in a bowl game.
Also, it seems to me that Oklahoma's BCS record should be under more scrutiny than Ohio State's. At least Ohio State's two BCS losses came to the national champions.
If they played head to head, who would win? All my $ is on Ohio State. Am I the only one on planet earth that remembers that prior to the Florida debacle in 2006-07 they were 4-0 in BCS game and lauded for their ability to show up for the big games?
They might have lost some of their mojo, but don't count those guys out. They would absolutely dismantle either Utah or BSU, and if recent history is any gauge (think Colt McCoy vs. James Laurinaitis), then OSU would have a great shot at completely embarassing a Big 12 team in a bowl game.
Also, it seems to me that Oklahoma's BCS record should be under more scrutiny than Ohio State's. At least Ohio State's two BCS losses came to the national champions.
nvlawyer | 9:45 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
BSU has the perfect formula for getting press and possible BCS inclusion.
1. Play only one team that matters. Preferably when they don't have their starting QB and have significant and key injuries (say about the third or fourth game into the season) and pray they have a good season after they play BSU.
2. Play absolutely, positively, no one else -- at all, including 2-9 Idaho St. so you won't be banged up when you get to the bowl game -- unlike real teams who must play against 6'7" 320 lineman week in and week out. Then pray that you have a trick play up your sleeve to beat them at a neutral location.
3. Bring home the $$$ and the high ranking.
Why would BSU want to play football with the MWC. Life is good in smurf land.
Buck up BSU. BYU got away with this for a long time, but we had to grow up
1. Play only one team that matters. Preferably when they don't have their starting QB and have significant and key injuries (say about the third or fourth game into the season) and pray they have a good season after they play BSU.
2. Play absolutely, positively, no one else -- at all, including 2-9 Idaho St. so you won't be banged up when you get to the bowl game -- unlike real teams who must play against 6'7" 320 lineman week in and week out. Then pray that you have a trick play up your sleeve to beat them at a neutral location.
3. Bring home the $$$ and the high ranking.
Why would BSU want to play football with the MWC. Life is good in smurf land.
Buck up BSU. BYU got away with this for a long time, but we had to grow up
Ernest T. Bass | 9:46 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Subsitute the top four MWC teams in Boise's place in the WAC. All four of
those teams would dominate the WAC.
You could even throw in CSU in Boise's place and at worst they would only lose one game (maybe) in the WAC.
I agree with Mark May, put Boise in the MWC this year and they lose 4 games. They would be fighting CSU for forth or fifth place.
TCU would demolish BSU, BYU would beat them but it would be closer only because BYU's secondary would get burned quit a bit but Boise would give up 60 points to byu's offense.
You could even throw in CSU in Boise's place and at worst they would only lose one game (maybe) in the WAC.
I agree with Mark May, put Boise in the MWC this year and they lose 4 games. They would be fighting CSU for forth or fifth place.
TCU would demolish BSU, BYU would beat them but it would be closer only because BYU's secondary would get burned quit a bit but Boise would give up 60 points to byu's offense.
true blue | 9:48 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
BYU has a deal with BSU in 2012 to play them four years straight. That should
be fun
cowards | 9:48 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Any team that plays either the basketball tournament (UNLV) or bowl game (BSU)
on their home field is being a coward.
brian | 9:51 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
"BSU is a good team, but we don't know how good they are. They need
better competition"
Well, we know this: The Oregon State team that Utah escaped at home, just got a beat down by the very team that BSU beat in Eugene. Fact
Well, we know this: The Oregon State team that Utah escaped at home, just got a beat down by the very team that BSU beat in Eugene. Fact
Football Fan | 9:54 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
First, anyone who thinks Boise would have lost four games in the MWC this year
should be drug tested and fired from their job. That's just a commissioner
trying to get more money for his conference. What's he suppose to do tell
the truth? LOL. There is NO way byu or Air Force even stay close to them.
Utah-Boise and Boise-TCU would be very good games that could go either way. And
Mark May has about as much football common sense as a first grader.
Second, horn frog fan you will get to play whoever is put in front of you because you choked against Utah. Nobody to blame but yourselves. And yes Texas has some awesome teams but it doesn't make it a fact that they would beat Boise. Just ask Oklahoma!
Second, horn frog fan you will get to play whoever is put in front of you because you choked against Utah. Nobody to blame but yourselves. And yes Texas has some awesome teams but it doesn't make it a fact that they would beat Boise. Just ask Oklahoma!
Blue-turf hater | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Sure, they should let Boise State into the MWC. Just as soon as they get rid of
that gosh-awful blue turf that gives them a huge homefield advantage.
brian | 9:58 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
"wow, BSU wins are "aginst?" the very best of the MWC... BYU in
2004? one of the worst seasons in BYU's history and BYU was a missed field
goal away from winning in Boise. Win at BYU a year earlier? The worst season in
BYU's history. You beat TCU in a bowl game in 2003? You will get killed by
them this year. Keep trying BSU fans. It must be hard hating the MWC and trying
to deny the fact that everyone knows they can't get into it as much as they
want to."
The POINT is this. The teams that have dominated the MWC are BYEwew, Ewetah and the Horny Toads. Now tell me, how many of these teams has beaten BSU?
These ARE the BEST of the MWC. it's not BSU's fault they are horribly incocistent fro one year to the next. BSU Scheduled Utah in 2005, to play the 2006 season. Our fault that EweTah had a slightly down year?
Dumb!
The POINT is this. The teams that have dominated the MWC are BYEwew, Ewetah and the Horny Toads. Now tell me, how many of these teams has beaten BSU?
These ARE the BEST of the MWC. it's not BSU's fault they are horribly incocistent fro one year to the next. BSU Scheduled Utah in 2005, to play the 2006 season. Our fault that EweTah had a slightly down year?
Dumb!
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