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Booger | 11:31 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Did you say national recognition?????
Who have you ever beat? You have never beat #1 Ranked Miami. You have never beat a top ranked Kansas State? Who have you ever beat any team that was any good? No one and you know it. I have lived in Ohio, Indiana, Alabama, California, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and now Washington. Nobody there knew anything about Utah Football. Many knew very well that BYU Football has had a great tradition and we have beat teams that they Utes couldn't.
Remember your home game against Boise State where your were utterly embarrassed. That is what will happen if you play Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, Alabama, or USC.
And to make matters worse, I love the fact that we will beat your beloved Utes in Round Ball.
Who have you ever beat? You have never beat #1 Ranked Miami. You have never beat a top ranked Kansas State? Who have you ever beat any team that was any good? No one and you know it. I have lived in Ohio, Indiana, Alabama, California, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and now Washington. Nobody there knew anything about Utah Football. Many knew very well that BYU Football has had a great tradition and we have beat teams that they Utes couldn't.
Remember your home game against Boise State where your were utterly embarrassed. That is what will happen if you play Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, Alabama, or USC.
And to make matters worse, I love the fact that we will beat your beloved Utes in Round Ball.
Embarrassed Utah faculty | 11:49 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
"You think the books you read or teach is about a tamed world."
I work in medicine, not in books. I care for the "demarginalized" of society--my professional world is not a "tamed world." I have witnessed all aspects of human behavoir. I have been threatened, criticized, and belittled. I see the worst sides of humanity, revealed as they face disease and death. But I have never witnessed behavoir from supposedly rational beings such as what I witnessed last night.
I know what a rivalry is. I have attended Ohio State-Michigan. But I also know what simple human decency is. I would be proud of my fellow fans for supporting their team with enthusiasm. To have middle fingers around me raised, to hear what I heard, and to witness the behavoir I witnessed made me anything but proud.
So don't talk to me as if I sit in an ivory tower and know nothing of human behavoir nor of rivalvry, competition, and enthusiasm. There are certain limits to enthusiasm, in which a "mob" mentality consumes rational thought and tolerates normally intolerable behavoir. There is no place for that in any aspect of human society, and certainly not in sports.
I work in medicine, not in books. I care for the "demarginalized" of society--my professional world is not a "tamed world." I have witnessed all aspects of human behavoir. I have been threatened, criticized, and belittled. I see the worst sides of humanity, revealed as they face disease and death. But I have never witnessed behavoir from supposedly rational beings such as what I witnessed last night.
I know what a rivalry is. I have attended Ohio State-Michigan. But I also know what simple human decency is. I would be proud of my fellow fans for supporting their team with enthusiasm. To have middle fingers around me raised, to hear what I heard, and to witness the behavoir I witnessed made me anything but proud.
So don't talk to me as if I sit in an ivory tower and know nothing of human behavoir nor of rivalvry, competition, and enthusiasm. There are certain limits to enthusiasm, in which a "mob" mentality consumes rational thought and tolerates normally intolerable behavoir. There is no place for that in any aspect of human society, and certainly not in sports.
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Sportsmanship | 12:02 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Get job utah for the win.
Here is what was noticed before and after the game. First, it was a UofU coach who started the Utah bench clearing during the Haka, which no other team has issues with even on their own field, and after the game when a U of U football player tries to start a fight with a BYU Coach shows the BSC what kind of team Utah is. Sportsmanship starts with the head coach, and Whit has shown his sportsmanship in the Wyoming game last year, the end of the BYU game this year. You can say all you want, but I would rather loose with class then win with no Class. Congrads to the cougs on how they demonstrated themselves after the game. And to the few thousand class utah fans, congrads on the 12-0 season.
Here is what was noticed before and after the game. First, it was a UofU coach who started the Utah bench clearing during the Haka, which no other team has issues with even on their own field, and after the game when a U of U football player tries to start a fight with a BYU Coach shows the BSC what kind of team Utah is. Sportsmanship starts with the head coach, and Whit has shown his sportsmanship in the Wyoming game last year, the end of the BYU game this year. You can say all you want, but I would rather loose with class then win with no Class. Congrads to the cougs on how they demonstrated themselves after the game. And to the few thousand class utah fans, congrads on the 12-0 season.
re: Booger | 12:11 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Um, Oregon State looks like they will be going to the Rose Bowl this year. Are
you trying to say the Beavers are "nobody"
And no zoob has any business talking about Utah's loss to BS Uni a couple years ago when the TDS ALSO got thumped by the broncos.
And no zoob has any business talking about Utah's loss to BS Uni a couple years ago when the TDS ALSO got thumped by the broncos.
RE:Embarrased Utah Faculty | 12:27 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Pleaaaassseee!!! Are you trying to make us believe that you are actually a Prof
at the U. C'mon Cougars...Knock it off with this silliness. Its a RIVALRY
GAME...and YES...the U takes NO PRISONERS...FANS FROM BOTH SIDES PROVOKE...NOT
ONE SIDED...I SAT BY A TON OF Y FANS BEHIND ME and oh my gosh...Nothing
happened...I find that VERY HARD TO BELIEVE YOU ARE A PROFESSOR...Give me a
break...EVERYONE GROW UP!!! ITS A RIVALRY GAME!!! If you don't expect
stupid things to happen, then get out of your FANTASY WORLD
Re Wash coug and embarrassed | 12:34 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
To Washington coug, a Ute alum may not be 'smart enough' to coach your
team, but one was smart enough to be you school's president. Think before
making silly comments.
To Embarrassed facultiy, you can claim all you wanat that your family was insulted for 'no reason other than a blue shirt' but I dont believe it. I have been to enough byu-utah games to know that it goes both ways and I have NEVER seen someone attacked simply because of a shirt color. I have seen both fans act like fools. Last night I had 20 people over my house to watch the game, byu and Utah fans, we had fun just watching the game, not acting like fools insulting each other or making up stuff on measage boards. Football is meant to be fun, not as a means to start more fights, so sit back and enjoy the game folks.
To Embarrassed facultiy, you can claim all you wanat that your family was insulted for 'no reason other than a blue shirt' but I dont believe it. I have been to enough byu-utah games to know that it goes both ways and I have NEVER seen someone attacked simply because of a shirt color. I have seen both fans act like fools. Last night I had 20 people over my house to watch the game, byu and Utah fans, we had fun just watching the game, not acting like fools insulting each other or making up stuff on measage boards. Football is meant to be fun, not as a means to start more fights, so sit back and enjoy the game folks.
Embarrassed Utah faculty | 12:45 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
"Pleaaaassseee!!! Are you trying to make us believe that you are actually a
Prof at the U."
Of course I'm a professor. I'm a tenure track assistant professor in the school of medicine. I'd post my name and contact information on here, but based on what I saw last night, I don't want to have personally directed toward me more irrational behavoir and criticism.
"Stupid things" are expected. But as my father walked to the restroom, several fans--on several different occasions--yelled profanities at him. One had the audacity to use a rolled-up paper and shout these repeatedly inches from his ear.
The things I saw last night disgusted me. I know irrational behavoir goes both ways. But this was too much. I will continue to support the educational, research, and academic missions of the U, but won't support the athletic department. A program which tolerates such behavoir should not be supported. I will not renew my season tickets.
The president of Ohio State actually issued an apology to Texas fans a few years ago for the actions of some Ohio State fans. Something needs to be done to curb this sort of behavoir and create a better atmosphere.
Of course I'm a professor. I'm a tenure track assistant professor in the school of medicine. I'd post my name and contact information on here, but based on what I saw last night, I don't want to have personally directed toward me more irrational behavoir and criticism.
"Stupid things" are expected. But as my father walked to the restroom, several fans--on several different occasions--yelled profanities at him. One had the audacity to use a rolled-up paper and shout these repeatedly inches from his ear.
The things I saw last night disgusted me. I know irrational behavoir goes both ways. But this was too much. I will continue to support the educational, research, and academic missions of the U, but won't support the athletic department. A program which tolerates such behavoir should not be supported. I will not renew my season tickets.
The president of Ohio State actually issued an apology to Texas fans a few years ago for the actions of some Ohio State fans. Something needs to be done to curb this sort of behavoir and create a better atmosphere.
re: re wash cough andEmbarrassed | 12:54 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I went to the last Lavell win at RES and I can absolutely say that the fans
attacked and insulted us because of our blue shirts.
My mission in Poland we saw soccor "hooligans" attack each other because of the color scarf they wore.
Some fans enjoy the fight more than the game. I saw this as a HS student years ago at an Alta Bball game where their fans were pushing us around after a win looking for a fight.
My mission in Poland we saw soccor "hooligans" attack each other because of the color scarf they wore.
Some fans enjoy the fight more than the game. I saw this as a HS student years ago at an Alta Bball game where their fans were pushing us around after a win looking for a fight.
Embarrassed Utah faculty | 12:57 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
"I have NEVER seen someone attacked simply because of a shirt color."
I wish I were making these things up. I wouldn't have believed it if I had not witnessed it myself. My father is one of the more mild-mannered people you will meet. His only provocation was a blue shirt with a 2-inch-by-one-inch BYU logo. There's not much to enjoy when a fan is intentionally shoving into after each Utah score, middle fingers are raised around you, and profanities are repeatedly shouted at you.
I had intended to sit back and enjoy the game, and expect some animosity and taunts based on my father's loyalty. But this was beyond anything I have witnessed before or had imagined.
Justify it how you will--rivalvy, enthusiasm, support--but you have to draw the line somewhere. Those who encourage or condone such behavoir are only contributing to the problem. I don't care where you are or where your loyalty lies--you have to place limits on enthusiasm.
I think I've posted enough on here. Believe what you will. I don't blame you for thinking I'm making this stuff up--if I hadn't been there, I'd have a tough time believing it, too.
I wish I were making these things up. I wouldn't have believed it if I had not witnessed it myself. My father is one of the more mild-mannered people you will meet. His only provocation was a blue shirt with a 2-inch-by-one-inch BYU logo. There's not much to enjoy when a fan is intentionally shoving into after each Utah score, middle fingers are raised around you, and profanities are repeatedly shouted at you.
I had intended to sit back and enjoy the game, and expect some animosity and taunts based on my father's loyalty. But this was beyond anything I have witnessed before or had imagined.
Justify it how you will--rivalvy, enthusiasm, support--but you have to draw the line somewhere. Those who encourage or condone such behavoir are only contributing to the problem. I don't care where you are or where your loyalty lies--you have to place limits on enthusiasm.
I think I've posted enough on here. Believe what you will. I don't blame you for thinking I'm making this stuff up--if I hadn't been there, I'd have a tough time believing it, too.
congrats | 12:59 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
congrats to utah going to the bcs once again. byu will never make it.
congrats to byu on making your conquest to 3rd place in a mediocre conference and qualifying for the blue rug bowl.
congrats to byu on making your conquest to 3rd place in a mediocre conference and qualifying for the blue rug bowl.
Re: Booger | 1:11 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Oregan State is no powerhouse. PAC10 is terrible this year. Beat a good SEC
team and I will admit that Utah has finally got a quality win to give them some
National Recognition.
RE: To embarrassed Utah Facilty | 1:44 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Pour yourself another drink. What a stupid reponse. U embarrass normal Utah
fans. The deed was done on the field, why can't you let it stay there? Do
you feel better today that you picked on a 65 yr. old guy? Can you say, Can I
biggie size it for you?
re: re: booger | 1:52 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
You're a sign seeker, my friend. A Craig James. A Bob Stoops. A Bryant
Gumbel.
People said the same things about the Utes 4 years ago...then they promptly smashed the Big-East champ Pitt.
"yeah, well that's just the Big-East team"
Excuse me? Aren't they BCS too?
Plus, they said the same thing after Boise State beat OU.
"yeah, well that took overtime and a little luck by the broncos"
Wrong. BSU was winning nearly the entire game. It was OU that was lucky they didn't get embarrassed earlier.
So then what? It was all erased when Hawaii ran into a Buzz-saw with Georgia. And so were back to square one.
"Beat an SEC team and then we'll belive" they say.
Whatever. I don't belive that. The Utes could win the BCS bowl again this year vs Alabama and you will still go on believing what you want.
People said the same things about the Utes 4 years ago...then they promptly smashed the Big-East champ Pitt.
"yeah, well that's just the Big-East team"
Excuse me? Aren't they BCS too?
Plus, they said the same thing after Boise State beat OU.
"yeah, well that took overtime and a little luck by the broncos"
Wrong. BSU was winning nearly the entire game. It was OU that was lucky they didn't get embarrassed earlier.
So then what? It was all erased when Hawaii ran into a Buzz-saw with Georgia. And so were back to square one.
"Beat an SEC team and then we'll belive" they say.
Whatever. I don't belive that. The Utes could win the BCS bowl again this year vs Alabama and you will still go on believing what you want.
To Sportsmanship: | 3:25 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Glad to hear you enjoy the losing. Get used to it. Coach Whittingham is a
class act.
DaviD O | 3:31 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
BYU needs to drop their football program after such an embarrassing episode
behind the woodshed. Their program would be better used to weave baskets. 1
Win to get into the BCS is better than the last 2 meaningless BYU wins that got
them into MEANINGLESS bowls.
LDS Ute fan | 3:45 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
As a long time season ticket holder, I love the Utes, always have and always
will but some of the anti-LDS things My wife and I heard were uncalled for!!
Please be tolerant of peoples beliefs and just cheer for the utes!
re Hey | 3:55 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
um, maxie didn't score 24, unless you give him credit for utah points.
PLEASE | 3:59 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
stop with the talk about fans. If you dont wanna go to a game, then don't
go, more tickets for crazy fans. If you wanna see nasty, take your dad or
sister or son or whoever to a Texas-OU game in Austin wearing a sooners shirt.
Sit by texas fans, and then compare. I've seen more than you can imagine
at that game.
wer | 4:46 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
General observations:
-There's more positive comments here than I expected, especially after a season full of narrow minded uniformed statements.
-No way officials should let fans on the field. Somebody is going to get hurt. Seriously.
-It would be great if Utah gets a "worthy" opponent.
Whittingham's teams have yet to lose a bowl game.
-There's more positive comments here than I expected, especially after a season full of narrow minded uniformed statements.
-No way officials should let fans on the field. Somebody is going to get hurt. Seriously.
-It would be great if Utah gets a "worthy" opponent.
Whittingham's teams have yet to lose a bowl game.
To bYu Fans: | 4:57 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
To all of you who keep saying, "wait until next year, because we return all
of our starters." Let me give you a lesson of sorts, Sunday School, if you
will. (1)BYU loses its offensive line!! In my opinion the bYu offensive line was
the best group on your team this year. (2) bYu's defense will be worse next
year than this year!! My predicition is 4 losses for bYu next year. Utah on the
other hand returns its 10 of 12 starters on defense!!!!!!!! Utah does lose BJ,
Brown, Casteel, Godfrey, and Mack. The only O lineman we lose is Conely. Yes
Asiata is only a Jr!! Don't forget about Louks, Manis, and Devonte
Christopher who are all talented enough to start next year at QB. UTAH WILL BE
FINE NEXT YEAR. WHY DON'T YOU Yners worry about the troubles down
south!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FreeBee | 5:10 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Hey "Embarrassed Utah Faculty" - since you will no longer be attending
any more Utah games, can I have your tickets?
Re:Booger 11:31 a.m. | 5:17 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Hey Booger the Coogar....Just like a TDS fan to live in the past. "Goshdarn
it, we won a national championship 24 years ago".."Heck, we beat #1
Miami in 1990".........1990!!!!!! If you're going to hype your past
accomplishments to cover your journey into mediocrity, at least pick events that
happened within the past decade or so. LOTS OF BITTER FANS. But I don't
blame you. As Bronco would say, it's tough to be humbled so often.
The Quest | 5:37 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Bronco has a weird way of trying to get the most out of his guys. He preaches
that he wants young men that can work towards perfection, and rise to challenges
on and off the field, but then he goes out and dumbs down his schedule.
Perfection is not going 12-0 against the weakest teams you can find. A quest
for perfection means challenging yourself, and rising to meet those
challenges.
BYU played 3 teams this year with a winning record, and looked horrible in 2 of them. Obviosly those kids are not learning to rise up and meet challenges, probably because Bronco doesn't allow them to be challenged very often.
BYU played 3 teams this year with a winning record, and looked horrible in 2 of them. Obviosly those kids are not learning to rise up and meet challenges, probably because Bronco doesn't allow them to be challenged very often.
Anonymous | 5:45 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Thank you Ute Professor for standing up and saying something!
For the one who wrote that BYU fans don't belong in the Ute section then tell your Crimson Club people to stop selling their tickets!
Agree that both sides have crazy fans. Utah took it up a notch yesterday. I know because I was there!
For the one who wrote that BYU fans don't belong in the Ute section then tell your Crimson Club people to stop selling their tickets!
Agree that both sides have crazy fans. Utah took it up a notch yesterday. I know because I was there!
story time | 6:37 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Yes, I went to the byu-utah game. utah fans were mean and evil, while byu fans
spread sunshine. Utah fans gave me the finger while byu fans gave me handwarmers
and their coats to keep me warm. Then we rode unicorns to the byu creamery for
treats, byu fans paid of course, cause they are that nice.
COME ON PEOPLE, BE REAL!!! Since your team lost, you have to make up stories to make yourselves feel better, it is sad to watch, but kinda funny.
COME ON PEOPLE, BE REAL!!! Since your team lost, you have to make up stories to make yourselves feel better, it is sad to watch, but kinda funny.
utah was supposed to regress... | 6:41 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
This is to all of the byu fans that last year, said the utah program was
regressing and byu was on the rise. How does it feel now? And to booger, by
quality wins you mean winning only 1 ranked team in the last 20 years. good
argument.
cougar fan | 6:56 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I am a BYU fan but i do not think Brian Johnson is better than Hall. He played
well last night but he was playin against a BYU de that's been fell apart.
Hall stuggled in the big games but Johnson struggled in every game. This was his
best game as a ute and it wasn't anything impressive. I don't think he
should be offensive player of the year but he's the quarterback of an
undefeated team so he may as well.
BYU Actually Won | 7:06 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
BYU actually won the game, if they were not way ahead why else would they put
their second team in during the 4th quater?
RE: Embarrassed @ 9:48 a.m. | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Yes, there IS a way to change this: STOP PLAYING THE BYU/UTAH GAME.
I'm serious. As Jan Jorgensen rightly remarked, there are jerk fans on both sides. If it continues, the violence will escalate. If the jerk fans can't control themselves, as seems apparent, give the rivalry a 5-year break. Strike a deal with the MWC to play an additional non-conference game that would count instead.
I for one wouldn't be sorry to see it go AT ALL. I see no good, but plenty of the opposite, coming of the bad blood building between the two schools.
Some of you will cry as if your favorite toy's been yanked away at Christmas, whining about how fun it is to talk smack, trash your opponent, and the like. I ask you: What's so fun about embarrassing yourselves? You're giving in to harassment, bigotry, and the worst humanity has to offer. That's FUN?
If the rivalry's out of control, it's time to give it a cooling-off period. Seriously.
I'm serious. As Jan Jorgensen rightly remarked, there are jerk fans on both sides. If it continues, the violence will escalate. If the jerk fans can't control themselves, as seems apparent, give the rivalry a 5-year break. Strike a deal with the MWC to play an additional non-conference game that would count instead.
I for one wouldn't be sorry to see it go AT ALL. I see no good, but plenty of the opposite, coming of the bad blood building between the two schools.
Some of you will cry as if your favorite toy's been yanked away at Christmas, whining about how fun it is to talk smack, trash your opponent, and the like. I ask you: What's so fun about embarrassing yourselves? You're giving in to harassment, bigotry, and the worst humanity has to offer. That's FUN?
If the rivalry's out of control, it's time to give it a cooling-off period. Seriously.
cougar dreamland | 7:46 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
When you look into the cougars past you will notice that they have never done
well in big games. The won alot of conference championships, in a time that the
conference was awful! They lose a ton of bowl games against inferior teams. They
are no different this year then they have been in the last several years, the
league is just better! In fact, this might be there best team in the last 10
years. Maybe the second best. The one thing that never changes, is BYU fans
think they have done more than they have. They are a famous for not doing much
on a national level. The never get better than about 25th to 30th ranked team in
the country. Sometimes that wins league titles, sometimes that makes them 3rd
place.
Embarrassed Utah Student | 7:56 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I am a student at the University of Utah and have been going to games for the
past 15 years. I have been to many Utah/BYU games and I agree that there is a
place for a certain amount of tenacity between the fans. But what I saw on
Saturday is worse than anything I have seen before. I was embarrassed to be
sitting in the MUSS and embarrassed to be a University of Utah student after the
actions of my fellow classmates. The entire game, middle fingers were
displayed(after every play), profanities used(I understand that is part of going
to the game but it was execessive), fights almost broke out, BYU fans had their
flagpoles broken and hats stolen, and derogatory comments were made towards
mormons(Do these individuals realize that the majority of Utah fans and the Utah
student body are also mormons). While I will continue to support Utah football,
I can only hope my fellow fans will learn some class for the upcoming games.
Re: Embarrassed Utah faculty | 8:02 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Will everyone please leave "embarrassed Utah faculty" alone? He works
in medicine. So he is obviously smarter and more experienced than most of us.
Really he is better than us. "Embarrassed Utah faculty" has already
made the right decision: He's not comming to anymore athletic events.
Yner fans | 8:20 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Was anyone seriously attacked last night?
Did anyone see groups of people being arrested?
Are there any actual press reports about abusive behavior?
Are there alot of whining BYU fans who are always looking to be "the victim"
If you can't handle taunting from the other side simply stay at home.
EVERY RIVALRY in sports deals with this, the diference is that it is way dialed down in Utah compared to other states.
Did anyone see groups of people being arrested?
Are there any actual press reports about abusive behavior?
Are there alot of whining BYU fans who are always looking to be "the victim"
If you can't handle taunting from the other side simply stay at home.
EVERY RIVALRY in sports deals with this, the diference is that it is way dialed down in Utah compared to other states.
Comments from outside observer | 8:30 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Many Utah fans with class should really be embarrassed by the way so many other
fans carried-on at that game. What a disgrace to the school and the State of
Utah. Some BYU fans, not so many, are classless as well--that's another
story.
Johnson needs to wake up if he thinks he can even compete with of the top Big 12 or SEC teams, or Ohio State or USC. The Utes would be plundered and destroyed by any of them. They will end up with a close win if they get the ACC or Big East champ.
Coming from Big 10 country, I hope our Buckeyes get to destroy the Utes and send them back to la la land, and that classless stadium in Utah.
As an observer and semi-follower of Meyer (who lost to Michigan in the bowl game last year), I note that this is the last year for his recruits at Utah. I would probably "rethink" things if I were hoping my team was going to be good next year, or any year from now on. None of your other offensive players were good, but you do lose your kicker, and he's your whole team.
Johnson needs to wake up if he thinks he can even compete with of the top Big 12 or SEC teams, or Ohio State or USC. The Utes would be plundered and destroyed by any of them. They will end up with a close win if they get the ACC or Big East champ.
Coming from Big 10 country, I hope our Buckeyes get to destroy the Utes and send them back to la la land, and that classless stadium in Utah.
As an observer and semi-follower of Meyer (who lost to Michigan in the bowl game last year), I note that this is the last year for his recruits at Utah. I would probably "rethink" things if I were hoping my team was going to be good next year, or any year from now on. None of your other offensive players were good, but you do lose your kicker, and he's your whole team.
To Embarrassed Utah Faculty | 9:00 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I worked at the U of U for four years. I worked in parking and tried very hard
to help out everyone that came to the games. I worked through the other
undefeated season. Many U of U patrons were great but there were always the
idiots. I have been to games at Utah and BYU. BYU fans know what is going to
happen when they try to park. Utah fans think if they threaten the attendant
they are fine. I cannot count the times I was cussed out or threatened. One
guy threatened me in front of his 8 year old. I graduated and started a new
job. As I watched the game many situations came back into my head. I know a
rivalry will never be good but I hope that some Utah fans start to become
civilized. It would make the rivalry even better.
I cheered for both teams. I wanted Utah to win because they will be a great BCS team. I think the teams played an emotional great game. GO UTES!!!
I cheered for both teams. I wanted Utah to win because they will be a great BCS team. I think the teams played an emotional great game. GO UTES!!!
Utah Administrator? | 9:48 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
If you are really a Utah administrator, I am shocked! I would have thought the
standard would require much more class. If you can honestly disagree with the
comment left by your faculty member BYU/Utah fan or not, you are beyond witt and
understanding.
SLC BIG BOI | 9:50 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
How do you know when UTAH football is great? All the cougar fans can talk and
type about are the fans. I was at the game, and no I wasn't drunk and no I
didn't curse any coug fans. I did ask them nicely to leave in the 4th
quarter though. Does that make me a bad fan? Go cry, you got worked. Max Hall
isn't deserving of all the Heisman talk he got all year. And to think byu
and their fans really thought they were going to win, they really did. Just
like in 04 when Todd Watkins guaranteed a byu win over UTAH. Rise and POUT the
cougars are out!!!
Utah Fans | 9:59 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I Hope Utah can win the BCS game mediocre opponent(ACC, Big East) or not(SEC,
Big 12). It is great that Utah has been able to rise to this level again and
that BYU & TCU are ranked teams simultaneously. I hope every year we can
have this type of game between BYU, TCU, and UTAH both teams being ranked with
BCS implications. My fear is that Utah will do this once every 3-4 years and
that in between the stadium will sit half full for most home games as has been
the case for the last 3, but maybe now Ute fans will make the necesarry
commitment and get to the games win or lose in the comming years.
Ok Dick | 10:07 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Back away from the ledge Dick. Your cushy job backing up BYU sports is still
safe.
TucsonUte | 10:12 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Now DH tells us it was Hall's competitive nature that caused 6 turnovers
and not Utah's defense scheme?
When BYU stops the sloganeering and starts getting some passion...then they will go to a BCS game. They are better than the last 3 yrs of the Crowton era but because of Bronco's "Quest for Perfection" campaign their 10-2 season seems like a 6-6 season instead. The BYU fans of my family seemed pretty down and out today because they got sucked into all of the hype and big wins over bad programs.
When BYU stops the sloganeering and starts getting some passion...then they will go to a BCS game. They are better than the last 3 yrs of the Crowton era but because of Bronco's "Quest for Perfection" campaign their 10-2 season seems like a 6-6 season instead. The BYU fans of my family seemed pretty down and out today because they got sucked into all of the hype and big wins over bad programs.
Don U of U | 11:04 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
UTAH NEEDS TO GO TO A STRONGER CONFERENCE!
I MISS RICK MAJERUS!
I MISS RICK MAJERUS!
W | 11:09 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Said Whittingham, "If there's any question of who the all-conference
quarterback is now, I don't know if there is one."
He sounds like President Bush. That sentence makes no sense at all.
He sounds like President Bush. That sentence makes no sense at all.
No Class | 11:42 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Doing the haka for a football game: no class
Fighting to stop your opponent from doing the haka: no class (is the U now Miami? Seriously.)
Going for a touchdown on 4rh and 1 while up 17 with a minute or two to go: no class. Ranks up there with an onside kick while up 40
Rushing the field with time on the clock. No class
Not prepared to stop field rushing. No brains.
Fighting to stop your opponent from doing the haka: no class (is the U now Miami? Seriously.)
Going for a touchdown on 4rh and 1 while up 17 with a minute or two to go: no class. Ranks up there with an onside kick while up 40
Rushing the field with time on the clock. No class
Not prepared to stop field rushing. No brains.
No Class 2 | 12:00 a.m. Nov. 24, 2008
That's why the Utes will never have a legacy like BYU has: They lack class.
Movin' On | 1:05 a.m. Nov. 24, 2008
The 2000's have been better to Utah then to BYU. This year could begin the
Wittingham legacy, but all of this will mean nothing if Utah gets beat in their
BCS bowl game. If they go up against a Big East or ACC team Utah will win by at
least 14. If they get put up against a Florida, Oklahoma, or Texas They are
going to have a hard time putting 14 points up on the board let alone 48. One of
the telling stats from saturdays game is BYU's 419 yards to Utah's
415. Utah has got to tighten up on defense. BYU ran over 200 yards on Utah, and
only punted twice, Whereas Utah punted 4 times. If the Utes go up against a team
that can take up time with a great running game the Utes are goning to be in
trouble. Hopefully The Utes can carry the MWC banner high and avoid the mistakes
of Hawaii.
To Embarrased Utah Faculty | 1:36 a.m. Nov. 24, 2008
Thank you for speaking up. As a BYU freshman from the South (where football is
pretty big and fans have ALOT of passion), I went to my first BYU-Utah game in
1994 with a relative of mine who is part of a family that includes former Utah
great players and Bob Rice (RICE-Eccles stadium). Naively, I thought that
people would be civil to me while I wore a BYU sweatshirt to the game and sat in
the middle of the UofU section. As I walked up to my seat a grandpa dropped the
F-bomb on me. At halftime when I went to get a hotdog a Ute fan started
verbally abusing me "F-ing mormon, you're gonna go on an f-ing
mission, come back and get f-ing married, and have a bunch of f-ing kids",
(is that supposed to be an insult?) After that, I was angry and began to cheer
loudly after each good play BYU had, and had snowballs fly by my head each time
I stood up. Because of that experience, I refused to go a RES BYU-UofU game
since.
Grow some class, Ute fans, you are a blight on a great university and an awesome football team.
Grow some class, Ute fans, you are a blight on a great university and an awesome football team.
Faculty and Yner fans | 6:41 a.m. Nov. 24, 2008
You think Utes fans are mean? Come to a CSU and CU game where the SWAT team has
to tear gas the fighting tailgaters or a CU and nebraska game where they have to
stop the game and remove the CU student section.
I have been to a lot of UTE football games and the fans I have interacted with have been fine...they may swear some and say "FU BYU" but believe me that is tame in college football. I have sat in Red at LES stadium and been "Hated" all the same too.
Nicest fans I think: Air Force.
I have been to a lot of UTE football games and the fans I have interacted with have been fine...they may swear some and say "FU BYU" but believe me that is tame in college football. I have sat in Red at LES stadium and been "Hated" all the same too.
Nicest fans I think: Air Force.
CougATtheU | 10:48 a.m. Nov. 24, 2008
Congrats Utes. Let's hope for the sake of the conference you get a
credible opponent, and you show them what MWC football is all about.
I despise the nastiness I see on both sides. I think the term TDS or TUN is beyond stupid, and should have left with Urban Traitor.
Let's dream of a day when we cheer for our neighbor team 364 days a year, and realize that we're in a bigger battle together--to show the rest of the country that we can play with the big boys.
BYU had more than a few chances to take the lead in this game, and they didn't get the job done. The calls were fair, the outcome was determined by a better Utah team, and a too-easily-irritated BYU QB.
Go BYU, Go Utah. Let's do what we can to win some respect for the conference.
I despise the nastiness I see on both sides. I think the term TDS or TUN is beyond stupid, and should have left with Urban Traitor.
Let's dream of a day when we cheer for our neighbor team 364 days a year, and realize that we're in a bigger battle together--to show the rest of the country that we can play with the big boys.
BYU had more than a few chances to take the lead in this game, and they didn't get the job done. The calls were fair, the outcome was determined by a better Utah team, and a too-easily-irritated BYU QB.
Go BYU, Go Utah. Let's do what we can to win some respect for the conference.
QC AZ | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 24, 2008
Re: respect in rivalry
Couldn't help but notice in postgame comments on MTN not a word from Whittingham about respect for his opponent, the hard fought game, effort etc. Although Bronco is admittedly a dry post game interview, he never fails to praise his opponent and respect their hard work and effort, even in defeat. I knew Fred W. as well as Kyle and his brothers back in the day. They were/are fierce competitors. I'd hate to think that his association with the U would have changed his character so much that he lost respect for his opponent, especially when so much of his family and personal history is directly tied to that opponent. Any respect within this rivalry has to start with the coaches and players. Most of the fans, on both sides, are basically hopeless anyway. Congrats to Kyle and the Utes. I hope they do well in BCS. Thanks for the $ coming to the Cougs! Looking forward to next year already.
Couldn't help but notice in postgame comments on MTN not a word from Whittingham about respect for his opponent, the hard fought game, effort etc. Although Bronco is admittedly a dry post game interview, he never fails to praise his opponent and respect their hard work and effort, even in defeat. I knew Fred W. as well as Kyle and his brothers back in the day. They were/are fierce competitors. I'd hate to think that his association with the U would have changed his character so much that he lost respect for his opponent, especially when so much of his family and personal history is directly tied to that opponent. Any respect within this rivalry has to start with the coaches and players. Most of the fans, on both sides, are basically hopeless anyway. Congrats to Kyle and the Utes. I hope they do well in BCS. Thanks for the $ coming to the Cougs! Looking forward to next year already.
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Good article. You handled the loss with class. That is an impressive stat that the Cougars are 1-20 against ranked teams.
Go Utes in the bcs, again!!