COUGS | 12:46 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
enjoy the vegas bowl!
Who cares about BYU or Utah, go | 12:47 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Mountain West Conference!

I'm rooting against Oregon State, Ohio State, and Michigan State this weekend. Hopefully two non-BCS schools can make it a BCS bowl, preferably two MWC schools.

This is how you build a conference. This is how you build a football program for long-term growth. You have to be able to show recruits that they can play in a BCS bowl, and that the MWC is just as viable as the SEC, Pac-10, etc.
AK Cougar | 1:02 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Only a dream for the MWC to put two teams in the BCS. It would be really cool but nearly impossible. The BCS is a joke and I hope gets broken up by BCS busting teams, like Utah, BYU, TCU, BSU and Hawaii. The other thing that would break up the BCS is advertising revenue and viewers. I will not be watching any BCS games unless Utah or BYU or BSU are in. And, I still don't buy Tostitos.
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Win only if BSU loses | 1:07 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I love BYU but the only way I want them beating Utah is if Boise State loses. As much as I hate Utah, I hate BSU even more. If the times are correct, then BSU is kicking off against Reno before BYU/Utah, which is great because if BYU is winning, I don't want BSU to know about it and get that added confidence to beat Reno and get to the BCS game.

My blood boils just talking about BSU, seriously, I can't stand hearing about them with their weak scheduling, fake play having, and the most annoying fans in the world.

I don't want to see BSU using another fake play to win a BCS game, so as much I hate saying it, I want Utah to win unless BSU loses.

However, if BSU is out of BCS contention, I hope we beat the snot out of Utah.....I can't stand coach whit.

On Your Mind | 1:09 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
After the win on Saturday the Utes will be invited to their second BCS bowl. That will be two more than the Cougars have been invited to. Yes count it out cougar fans T...W...O. When you can get past the Las Vegas Bowl then maybe, just maybe, you can start comparing yourselves to the Utes. Outside of Provo, and Dick Harmon's mind, BYU is a laughing stock. Of course BYU fans will object to this post but then again the cougars have never been good at handling the truth. Good luck in Las Vegas you will need it because the Vegas bowl will be the last shot you have at getting a "W".
Re: on your mind | 3:00 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Eassssy there fella! Always keep your words soft and sweet, you never know when you might have to eat them! BYU laughing stock? We shall see!
rvalens2 | 3:06 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
As a Boise State and Utah Fan, I don't understand all the animosity towards BSU.

Trick plays and strange blue turf are not valid reasons to hate Boise State? All they have done is match what Utah has done by busting the BCS and have also gone undefeated this year at 10-0.

I'm first a Utah fan (because I went to school there) but I have no problems with Boise State. I have attended their games and feel the coach, team and school are a class act.

If extended an invitation, I'm certain BSU would join the Mountain West. Geographically, they'd be a nice fit and certainly bring as much (and in my opinion more) to the table than Wyoming.

If the Mountain West decides to expand to 12 schools, my hope is that Boise State be among those extended an invitation.
Aaron | 3:16 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
How's the Ute basketball team? How many times has Utah beat Byu in the past 2 years?
boiseguy | 3:21 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
wow, such anger towards bsu? and you don't ever play bsu.... sounds like some issues there. We'll be in the mountain west conference come 2010. So we'll be able to school you utards before you let your heads get too big for yourselves. For the record. Boisestate is 11-0 against the mountain west conference. Your trash talk is meaningless and unfounded, I hope BYU shuts you down, and you eat some humble pie. cheers mate!
Norge Coug | 3:47 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Here's the truth "On Your Mind": BYU has the best record of any Div. 1 school in their last 21 games (20-1) and have beat your lucky team the last two years. Look for a three-peat this year. Final score BYU 28 Utah 23.
Cougs | 4:04 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I wish they could change the Las Vegas bowl to the BYU cougars bowl.
No upset | 4:06 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
There will not be an upset. These teams are evenly matched.

All Utah could do to make me predict they will win is wear black shirts, hold the game Thursday night, and/or hire some "hometown" referees, ala TCU. Otherwise, this game is a toss-up and it's silly to predict a winner before kickoff.
RE: On Your Mind | 4:13 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
On Your Mind: if you think BYU is a "laughing stock," try asking ten people outside the U. campus which school has a better overall football program. The answer will surprise you but not the rest of us.

I'm not dissing Utah here. They're good the last few years, and I'm glad they are. But traditionally, BYU gets more respect. Whether you and your U. campus friends believe it or not does not change that fact.

By the way, if I were a Ute, I wouldn't brag so much about that BCS appearance against #25 Pitt, who got in only because someone from the Big Least had to do it. If they beat BYU this year--which is indeed a tossup--their BCS opponent may or may not be as good as the Cougars.
RE: On Your Mind | 5:45 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I'm glad you have sports to get into, because it is obvious that you have no other life whatsoever. "Out of your mind" would have been a better header.

The Y may well get thumped this week-end. I can live with that. Or... they may just dump the Utes (a decent football team, by the way) on their heads, bursting the over-inflated bubble of some of their delusional fans.

By the way, I can live with that, too.
Joe Awesome | 5:48 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I'm surpised a Ute can spell "two"... that's cool. I guess complete dominance over Utah the last T-H-R-E-E decades gives BYU no ability to compare themselves to the Utes. I hope you're man enough to post again after BYU punches Utah in the face this Saturday. Prediction: BYU over Utah by T-W-O touchdowns, BSU loses, and BYU jumps into a BCS bowl. In the words of the great Busta Rhymes in the movie Higher Learning... "They hate me 'cause they ain't me!"
From Sandy Utah | 6:04 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Go BYU win it and then I am happy - This is Super Bowl. BCS are the jokers and deceiving. (PERIOD)
Go COUGARS!!!
I Concur | 6:14 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I concur with "On Your Mind". He is a scholar and a gentlemen.

MarkS | 6:15 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
It gets a little worse for the Las Vegas Bowl. If the PAC10 sends a second team to a BCS bowl (say OSU to the Rose, USC to the Fiesta), then everybody gets bumped up and it will be the fifth place team to the LV...
Count it | 6:19 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
typical Ute fan - count it - T.W.O. Isn't that spelling?
Go back to school.
Why Y at LV? | 6:20 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
No bash intended here, just wondering why LV would select BYU under any scenario?

1) "Best Team" scenario:
If it's a three-way championship, concensus would have to be that TCU is the better of the teams (barring an unlikely BYU blowout of Utah). If Utah wins, BYU is the third place team, trounced by the second place team, so TCU comes out on top again.

2) "Long Term Economics" scenario:
Wouldn't it be short-sighted for the LV bowl to take BYU yet again? That would alienate the rest of the league who is already less than satisfied that LV is the conference's flagship bowl. It would only cause the league to push further for a better bowl arrangement. Would TCU fans really travel so much less than Y fans that it would be worth snubbing a top 15 team?

3) "Short Term Economics" scenario:
If it comes down to this year's dollars and you're just going to ignore the conference rankings, why not just select a bowl-eligible UNLV team and have the local fans totally take over the stadium?

So unless BYU wins AND TCU loses to AFA, I don't see any logic for BYU landing in the LV Bowl.
PAC-12 | 6:32 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Let's face it, Utah is nothing without BYU. Until ASU and UofA and took off for the PAC, BYU and ASU were fighting for the WAC championships. No one even cared about the Utes.


Then BYU went on to a string of WAC championships and national rankings. When people were laughing at BYU for their NC it was because they only won over weak WAC teams, like whom? Like Utah. If BYU was a laughing stock, Utah was their weak opponent.


Now things have changed a little, there is parity. But you guys are beating the same lousy teams that BYU is beating, year in and year out. You guys were first to bust the BCS, but BYU was first to get a Heisman and an NC. Sorry, but a BCS bowl doesn't count the same as a Heisman or an NC.


Now it is time for BYU and Utah to do an Arizona and leave the MWC and move to the PAC-12. Stop fighting the BCS and join a BCS conference so that you can get an automatic berth by being 4th in the PAC with a 6-5 record.
Utah weak | 6:40 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Utah does not deserve a nr 8 ranking. They get all their W's playing weak MWC schools and one decent PAC 10 school. If they had to play USC, UCLA, UA, ASU, UO, OSU, Stanford, etc. all season long, they would at best have 3 losses.

This year they played OSU at home. Imagine if they had to play USC, ASU or Stanford on the road. There is no way they could be nr 1 in the PAC 10.

You people have your perspective completely wrong.
Re: Why Y at LV | 6:48 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I can think of few reasons:

1) even with a loss to Utah: BYU is still 10-2, probably ranked some where between 18-25 --still looks "pretty" enough
2) LV is close enough to extract large BYU fans --even for BYU fans in SoCal, AZ. And with today's economic/financial conditions, it may be easier to count on BYU fans than any other schools' fans.

But I agree it should take TCU if TCU finishes second in the MWC.
re: Why Y at LV? | 7:01 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
$$$ $$$ $$$

Las Vegas is like a home away from home for the Cougars. BYU already has a very large fan base in Vegas and even for regular season games vs UNLV the stadium is half filled with BYU fans.

TCU is a good team, but it's a smaller school and has a smaller fan base.

With BYU, the Las Vegas Bowl will have a guaranteed sellout. Whether TCU fans will travel to Vegas in great numbers is unknown.
Ref: Who cares about BYU | 7:16 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
or Utah. Only one non-bcs school gets in. That is the rule and that is only under certain rules. There is no scenario where two non-bcs schools get in.
Funny... | 7:26 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I think its funny how Ball State continues to remain undefeated, while BYU can't, when Ball State has played 4 more FBS teams with a winning record.
Confused | 7:35 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Wait; If BYU loses, and U of U goes to a BCS bowl, wouldn't TCU play in the Las Vegas Bowl ahead of the cougars if they beat Air Force?
Hey Joe- | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
You count 5 wins out of the last ten as dominace over the last decade? And, thanks for the compliment for Utah's spelling program, but it looks like byu's math program needs some help. Busta Rhymes, "Higher Learning" and byu, now there is a threesome poised to impress.
To: Cougar Fans | 7:51 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Even with a win, you are NOT going to the BCS! Boise State is not going to lose, so get ready for a lower tier bowl.
Re: Utah Weak | 7:51 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
You shouldn't be posting this year with the pitiful PAC 10. USC lost to Oregon State, UNLV beat ASU on the road. And UCLA and Wash didn't do much either. So it is possible that Utah could have run the table in the PAC 10.
It takes a little luck to go undefeated in any conference during any year, ala TCU/Utah game, but thats why they play the games.
UTE "Perfection" | 7:52 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
We're going to mop up the field with Cougie fur on Saturday. We're faster, smarter and stronger than the kittens!!!

BCS BOWL here we come.

I wonder if the Las Vagas Bowl will be on T.V. for the Cougie's? Hum???

UTES 34
WHY 13
Mike Johnson Fallon NV | 7:53 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
>>>For two non-BCS schools to crash the BCS, both the Pac-10 and Big Ten would have to become one-bid conferences, along with the Big East and the ACC. That would mean losses by Oregon State and Ohio State and Michigan State.

Oregon State has two tough games remaining--at Arizona and then against Oregon in the civil war. Lose either and they are out if BCS contention.

Michigan State is playing Penn State. Ohio State is playing Michigan. The Big Ten becomes trickier as a Michigan State and a Michigan win puts Michigan State into the Rose Bowl, but Penn State would likely get a BCS bid. The only scenario where only one Big Ten team is eligible to go to a BCS game is if Penn State and Michigan win. I think Penn State will likely win and go to the Rose Bowl. Michigan is definitely in down year, but this is their major rival. If two Big Ten teams are eligible to go, the second team would probably go even over a higher ranked non-BCS team. That is the nature of the BCS. Unfortunately. It is interesting this late that there is a chance of two non-BCS teams.
re:On Your Mind | 8:04 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Hey, do you think there is a different ring the players get for winning a National Championship, and winning the Fiesta Bowl?
re:Aaron | 3:16 a.m. | 8:07 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I'll have you know that Utah made a lot of noise in the BCI tournament last year.

I expect at least a NIT invite for Utah this year.

NCAA tourney invite, big deal.
Re: Y at LV | 8:09 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Yes, it is about the money. BYU is guaranteed to sell out the LV bowl. Everyone knows it. I bought tickets to the LV bowl over a month ago because I intend to sell them to desperate cougar fans for enough profit to pay for my trip to a BCS bowl with the Utes.
Utah by five.
Weak PAC 10 | 8:11 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Thanks for the laugh PAC 1 homer.

The MWC is 6-1 vs the PAC 1 this season and 25-11 vs. other conferences. The PAC 1 is only 13-16 vs. other conferences.

6th place MWC UNLV beat Arizona State in Tempe

7th place MWC New Mexico beat Arizona

TCU crushed Stanford

BYU handed UCLA their worst loss in almost 80 years

and Utah beat 1st place PAC-1 Oregon State.

None of these teams -- UCLA, UA, ASU, UO, OSU, Stanford, and Cal -- would finish above 5th place if they were playing in the MWC this season.
AZ | 8:23 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
GO UTAH, GO UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BYU STAY SOUTH...............
RED,IS GREAT, GO UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Sad Thing Is.... | 8:27 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Even if Utah and Boise State lose on Saturday, Utah would probably only drop right in front of BYU.

Im guessing that it would be Utah ranked 12th, BYU 13th, because Utah's victories over 2 top 25 teams would be more impressive to the computers and voters compared to BYU's only 2 wins over teams with a winning record.

So even with a Utah loss, as long as its not a blowout, they probably still have a better chance to go to the BCS than BYU.

TCU blows out BYU, but somehow BYU is still ahead of them in the BCS standings.

Oregon St. beats USC, USC remains 15 spots ahead of them.

So the history of this season shows us that BYU beating Utah does not automatically mean they will be ranked ahead of them at the end of the season.
Anonymous | 8:34 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
did some one really say that Utah couldn't be Stanford at Stanford??

are you kidding? did you really say that?

hilarious!
Impossible odds. | 8:36 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
BSU favored by 6

U of U favored by 6 1/2.

How can either team expect not to lose with those kind of odds.

Two six point underdogs winning?

Makes you laugh...
Hmmm... | 8:39 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
If BYU wins on Saturday and doesn't luck out with a BCS bowl game, they will go to the Las Vegas Bowl because:

a) they will be the highest ranked team of the three co-champions (BYU, Utah, TCU)
b) they will have the longest current winning streak of the three co-champions (with their loss coming back in October)
c) they will have the only road win over one of the three co-champions (at Utah, whereas TCU and Utah's wins came at home)

BCS busted | 8:39 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
6 tickets to the BYU/Utah game = $300
Hotdogs and drinks for 6 = $36
Watching BYU create magic to beat Utah for the third straight year = PRICELESS!!!

BYU 38
Utah 19
Thanks | 8:43 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Utah has not lost this game when favored in over 15 years! Good luck changing that cougars.

Utah 31
BYU 17
Manti Cougar | 8:44 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Two and a half more days of Utah Fans talking like they have already won.

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I hope predicting the win doesn't jinx the team.
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Zeke | 8:51 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Go Utes
Anonymous | 8:51 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Those who constantly spew their hate toward BYU and BSU should simply evaluate their inferiority complexes. Their comments reek of jealousy. They should just learn to live with it.
Silly Ute fan Logic | 8:52 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
to:"The Sad Thing Is.... | 8:27 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Even if Utah and Boise State lose on Saturday, Utah would probably only drop right in front of BYU."

Sure, I can see a #14 beating a #7, and #7 staying ahead of #14 in the rankings. But I also believe in Schrute Bucks, unicorns and leprechauns.
Vegas Ute | 8:52 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Utah has never lost to BYU when ranked and playing at home.

BYU must produce 57% more offensive output than Utah gives defensively per game.

Utah must produce 17% more offensive output than
BYU gives defensively per game.

Utah will pass to the outside to take advantage of the BYU secondary lack of speed.

The game plan is simple

Utah by 5.
re: UTE "Misperception" | 9:00 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Only two days to go, but that locked up BCS bid is not as firm as it appears.

Rise and shout, the Utes will be out, of the BCS, after facing the mighty Cougars.

BYU 31
Utah 21

The Poinsettia Bowl isn't bad; San Diego has nice weather and Utah should be getting used to Qualcom stadium after their 3rd trip there in the last year.
Go Wolfpack.... | 9:01 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
That insures a MWC team gets the BCS Birth. As for I like Oregon Staet, but the Beavers will drop one in Tucson to Arizona. USC is NOT headed for the Girber Baby Products Blue Tidy Bowl of OSU wins the PAC-10, so we MUST root for Arizona on Saturday.

The (BYU or UTAH) winner would get the BCS Bid anyway because of the conference strength (3 top 20 teams) after a Boysenberry State loss. ONLY ESPN wants Boysenberry State in, but FOX has the rights and don't think they aren't part of the magical formula on the back side of everything unseen.

Nevada is capable of beating BSU, especially in Reno. Too bad the Wolfpack won't think of spray-painting their turf SILVER to mess with the BSU players mentally the way way the blue BSU turf messes with opponents there.

Wierd Predictions:

Nevada 41 Boise 36
Utah stupidly lets Max Hall (BYU) beat them with 4 seconds left in the 4th quarter AGAIN
BYU 31 Utah 27 and...

Arizona takes care of OSU in Tucson. 34-24

Texas Tech upsets Oklahoma in Norman 45-42.
Auburn Upsets Alabama 19-17
UNLV 29 SDSU 16
Cincinnati 28 Pitt 24

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