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Dick Harmon: Utah fans fuel the fire behind heated rivalry
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RE: Conference Championships | 9:37 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
If you want to compare apples to apples then then why are you comparing BYUs
national title with Utah's BCS 2004?
When was the last time a national champion beat a 6-4 team for the title? If all things equal my prediction the 84-Y does not make the BCS title game
I do you dem apples.
When was the last time a national champion beat a 6-4 team for the title? If all things equal my prediction the 84-Y does not make the BCS title game
I do you dem apples.
Johnny Utah | 9:42 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
re: Shoulda been: TCU 16 UTAH 13 | 8:45 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
>>Rather than thumping their chests, the Utes should be humbly acknowledging the vagaries of good luck.<<
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, didn't, darnit.
The U's been lucky and BYU has been what?
The Mendenhalls have dodged more bullets than Keanu in the Matrix trilogy. But, I suppose it is a sign of their Righteous living? Please.
Its attitudes like this disaplyed by most if not all BYU fans that annoys Utes fan and hastens milks transition to sour cream.
>>Rather than thumping their chests, the Utes should be humbly acknowledging the vagaries of good luck.<<
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, didn't, darnit.
The U's been lucky and BYU has been what?
The Mendenhalls have dodged more bullets than Keanu in the Matrix trilogy. But, I suppose it is a sign of their Righteous living? Please.
Its attitudes like this disaplyed by most if not all BYU fans that annoys Utes fan and hastens milks transition to sour cream.
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Really there | 10:18 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
"re..Anonymous | 9:30 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I was at that game two years ago, and there wasn't complete silence. There was a team of crazed Cougars storming the field in all directions, including a coach who portrays himself as a robot with no emotion. Also a group of BYU fans running onto the field to celebrate."
Don't pretend you were there when you weren't.
There was a slice of BYU fans in the SW visitors seats that were screaming, but the sound was quickly muted by the blasting quiet of the Utah fans.
They did not storm the field.
The Ute fandom was SILENT. Looking opening their mouths as if to speak, but no sound coming out, except the loaded Ute fan next to me, red sweatshirt, cowboy boot, mullet and all who about every two minutes would yell out "You beter be careful what you wish for!!!" (yep, didn't make sense there either). Otherwise, nothing, just a blank stare and a glazed look.
I was there (not the Ute pretend there). I know what it was like. Imagine all these boards with silly Ute posts just disappearing. It was like that.
I was at that game two years ago, and there wasn't complete silence. There was a team of crazed Cougars storming the field in all directions, including a coach who portrays himself as a robot with no emotion. Also a group of BYU fans running onto the field to celebrate."
Don't pretend you were there when you weren't.
There was a slice of BYU fans in the SW visitors seats that were screaming, but the sound was quickly muted by the blasting quiet of the Utah fans.
They did not storm the field.
The Ute fandom was SILENT. Looking opening their mouths as if to speak, but no sound coming out, except the loaded Ute fan next to me, red sweatshirt, cowboy boot, mullet and all who about every two minutes would yell out "You beter be careful what you wish for!!!" (yep, didn't make sense there either). Otherwise, nothing, just a blank stare and a glazed look.
I was there (not the Ute pretend there). I know what it was like. Imagine all these boards with silly Ute posts just disappearing. It was like that.
re..Really There? | 10:48 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I believe you're mistaken. I was speaking of the game at RES, not the
version you have recreated on your NCAA 2007 Playstation 2 consule.
The argument of your post has been conceeded, the Utah fans were stunned and disappointed, almost as much as when a back up QB named Ratliff scorched the Cougsand the mighty Jon Beck for 41 points at LES in his first career start, but I regress.
The point being brought to attention in the article is that to your clan this game means little more than last weeks game vs. Air Force, yet means the world to the Utes. If you'll kindly grab a copy of the Harline catch from You Tube you can watch the glee and histeria as your Cougs STORM the field after winning a game that supposedly means little to them. Then again in 2007 as your crowd STORMS the field to carry off Brian Keil.
The silly posts on this board are from disillusioned Cougar fans who cannot acknowledge their reality. Come Saturday Utah will have 2 BCS trips, BYU 4 Vegas Bowl trips. Nuff said.
The argument of your post has been conceeded, the Utah fans were stunned and disappointed, almost as much as when a back up QB named Ratliff scorched the Cougsand the mighty Jon Beck for 41 points at LES in his first career start, but I regress.
The point being brought to attention in the article is that to your clan this game means little more than last weeks game vs. Air Force, yet means the world to the Utes. If you'll kindly grab a copy of the Harline catch from You Tube you can watch the glee and histeria as your Cougs STORM the field after winning a game that supposedly means little to them. Then again in 2007 as your crowd STORMS the field to carry off Brian Keil.
The silly posts on this board are from disillusioned Cougar fans who cannot acknowledge their reality. Come Saturday Utah will have 2 BCS trips, BYU 4 Vegas Bowl trips. Nuff said.
Nope, really there | 11:08 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
"I believe you're mistaken. I was speaking of the game at RES, not the
version you have recreated on your NCAA 2007 Playstation 2 consule."
Sorry, no playstation (I have a life).
Reality is what it is.
Sorry, no playstation (I have a life).
Reality is what it is.
tinticfarm | 11:17 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
mute fans are the most foul mouthed, cheap wine drinkers in the world. I hope
the temp. at game time is below freezing so I don't have to smell the body
odor of the mute fans.
Well said | 11:52 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Great, we finally agree. Reality is what it is. 12-0 equals "True Quest
For Perfection Attained", 10-2 equals Vegas Bowl, again.
Cougar Student but Ute Supporter | 11:53 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Are you serious? 400 comments on this silly topic?
Utah Man | 11:56 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I really don't care if BYU doesn't care as much about this game. We
care, and that is why we will be at the Fiesta Bowl (or Sugar Bowl) and you will
be playing in Vegas, yet again.
The Cougars are going DOWN on Saturday. Have fun in our house where you don't have to sneak in a real Diet Coke. Enjoy.
GO UTES!
The Lord is a Utah fan this year! The Church is true and so is the U! Down with BYU!
The Cougars are going DOWN on Saturday. Have fun in our house where you don't have to sneak in a real Diet Coke. Enjoy.
GO UTES!
The Lord is a Utah fan this year! The Church is true and so is the U! Down with BYU!
hmmmmmm? | 12:44 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
"Well said | 11:52 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Great, we finally agree. Reality is what it is. 12-0 equals "True Quest For Perfection Attained", 10-2 equals Vegas Bowl, again."
12-0, 10-2 is reality?
Ute logic at work.
Are the Utes 12-0 next year also?
Why not 13-0 with a NC, or even 14-0, after Utah beats the Superbowl champion and becomes King Overlords of the Universe?
Has Utah ever lost a game in the Utah Man, sir's, minds?
Great, we finally agree. Reality is what it is. 12-0 equals "True Quest For Perfection Attained", 10-2 equals Vegas Bowl, again."
12-0, 10-2 is reality?
Ute logic at work.
Are the Utes 12-0 next year also?
Why not 13-0 with a NC, or even 14-0, after Utah beats the Superbowl champion and becomes King Overlords of the Universe?
Has Utah ever lost a game in the Utah Man, sir's, minds?
re: Thanks Dick....@ 1:15 | 12:45 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I find it hilarious that a Ute called Dick a poor writer then follow it up with
this eloquent example of Ute writing skills.
"I for one are soooooo glad you are pro byu and anti Utah."
I for one are sooooo.....? I for one AM sooooo glad Dick Harmon knows how to write.
"I for one are soooooo glad you are pro byu and anti Utah."
I for one are sooooo.....? I for one AM sooooo glad Dick Harmon knows how to write.
re:Utah Man | 12:47 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
"The Lord is a Utah fan this year! The Church is true and so is the U! Down
with BYU!"
Wow, imagine a BYU fan saying the same thing.
Wow, imagine a BYU fan saying the same thing.
RPJ | 1:06 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Intesting how many have reacted to Harmon's article. A lot sounds like
gnashing of teeth. I would have to agree with his comments about the feelings of
the U vs. the Y.
I received a BS degree from the U of U. and didn't know much about the "Y", except the vitriol I heard from students, most of whom were from Utah and lived with their parents.
I then attended the Y and received a PhD. While there I actually heard little about the U, except when we played them in football or basketball. But, for the most part, it was normal rivalry sort of stuff. There was no vitriol or venom.
After 30 years, I have just moved back to Utah. I am amazed at the real bitterness that seems to exist among U fans. I can't figure it out. Maybe most still live with their parents!
P.S. To those of you who have posted here who are over 9 years old and have IQs above single digit: Thanks. To the rest of you ... why not read a book, take a class, get a life?
I received a BS degree from the U of U. and didn't know much about the "Y", except the vitriol I heard from students, most of whom were from Utah and lived with their parents.
I then attended the Y and received a PhD. While there I actually heard little about the U, except when we played them in football or basketball. But, for the most part, it was normal rivalry sort of stuff. There was no vitriol or venom.
After 30 years, I have just moved back to Utah. I am amazed at the real bitterness that seems to exist among U fans. I can't figure it out. Maybe most still live with their parents!
P.S. To those of you who have posted here who are over 9 years old and have IQs above single digit: Thanks. To the rest of you ... why not read a book, take a class, get a life?
Quest for perfection | 1:17 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
HAHAHAHAHAH.....that must still just sting all you zoobies who bought into it,
the least they could've done would've been to put that tag on a good
Cougar team instead of one that was destined to lose 2 or 3 games. Quest
T-shirts available NOW IN RED! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
re..hmmmmm? | 1:23 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Sorry, but what exactly don't you understand? Not sure I can dumb it down
any further, but I'll give it a try.
2008 Football Records, 11-23-2008
Utah 12-0, after defeating the mighty Cougars. Headed for the Sugar bowl to play current #1 Alabama and earn more money for one game than BYU has earned in every bowl game in their history combined. Don't worry, we always look after our little brothers down south and will share some of that, just like in 04.
BYU 10-2, after losing at RES. Headed for the Vegas Bowl versus a very average Pac-10 team, but at least it should be a win. "Quest" denied, dreams crushed, delusional fans back in Vegas where the "Quest" began last year. I'd say start a new "Quest" for 2009 but that potential game versus OK sort of squashed that didn't it!
2008 Football Records, 11-23-2008
Utah 12-0, after defeating the mighty Cougars. Headed for the Sugar bowl to play current #1 Alabama and earn more money for one game than BYU has earned in every bowl game in their history combined. Don't worry, we always look after our little brothers down south and will share some of that, just like in 04.
BYU 10-2, after losing at RES. Headed for the Vegas Bowl versus a very average Pac-10 team, but at least it should be a win. "Quest" denied, dreams crushed, delusional fans back in Vegas where the "Quest" began last year. I'd say start a new "Quest" for 2009 but that potential game versus OK sort of squashed that didn't it!
Road Apples | 1:26 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
A BCS bid is not a national championship!
Every college fan, with the exception of a few Utah homers, knows that.
The calibre of teams that BYU competed against in 1984 are the same calibre teams that Utah competed against in 2004.
1984 Final AP Top 10
1 BYU
2 Washington
3 Florida
4 Nebraska
5 Boston College
6 Oklahoma
7 Oklahoma State
8 SMU
9 UCLA
10 USC
2004 Final AP Top 10
1 USC
2 Auburn
3 Oklahoma
4 Utah
5 Texas
6 Louisville
7 Georgia
8 Iowa
9 California
10 Virginia Tech
The same can't be said of the teams Utah faced when it won most of its conference championships from 1900 to 1962, and the teams BYU and Utah faced in the WAC and MWC conferences, when BYU won all of its conference championships.
Every college fan, with the exception of a few Utah homers, knows that.
The calibre of teams that BYU competed against in 1984 are the same calibre teams that Utah competed against in 2004.
1984 Final AP Top 10
1 BYU
2 Washington
3 Florida
4 Nebraska
5 Boston College
6 Oklahoma
7 Oklahoma State
8 SMU
9 UCLA
10 USC
2004 Final AP Top 10
1 USC
2 Auburn
3 Oklahoma
4 Utah
5 Texas
6 Louisville
7 Georgia
8 Iowa
9 California
10 Virginia Tech
The same can't be said of the teams Utah faced when it won most of its conference championships from 1900 to 1962, and the teams BYU and Utah faced in the WAC and MWC conferences, when BYU won all of its conference championships.
CROWTONLOVER | 1:53 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
If BYU fans think that there will be anything close to what they call "fair
officiating" in this game, they are sorely mistaken. The Conference wants
their BCS money and Utah is their meal ticket. BYU has no chance at making it
into a BCS game. The blowout at TCU, along with the lackluster performance
against a winless washington team, was enough to commit post season suicide. I
trust the MWC officals will make sure that throwing millions of dollars away in
favor of a BYU will not happen. If the situation was reversed and BYU had a
chance to go to a BCS game, the officals would treat them the same way.
RMC vs WAC | 1:56 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Utah's first conference championship:
1912 Rocky Mountain Conference - 5-1-1, 4-1
1 of 5 conference games on the road
*Wyoming
*Denver
at *Colorado Mines
Montana
at Colorado
*Colorado College
*Utah State
BYU's first conference championship:
1965 Western Athletic Conference - 6-4, 4-1
4 of 5 conference games on the road
at *Arizona St.
Kansas St.
at Oregon
San Jose St.
at *Wyoming
at Utah St.
*Utah (H)
Colorado St.
at *Arizona
at *New Mexico
Nobody could reasonably argue that Arizona and Arizona State weren't considerably more difficult opponents than Denver and Colorado Mines.
1912 Rocky Mountain Conference - 5-1-1, 4-1
1 of 5 conference games on the road
*Wyoming
*Denver
at *Colorado Mines
Montana
at Colorado
*Colorado College
*Utah State
BYU's first conference championship:
1965 Western Athletic Conference - 6-4, 4-1
4 of 5 conference games on the road
at *Arizona St.
Kansas St.
at Oregon
San Jose St.
at *Wyoming
at Utah St.
*Utah (H)
Colorado St.
at *Arizona
at *New Mexico
Nobody could reasonably argue that Arizona and Arizona State weren't considerably more difficult opponents than Denver and Colorado Mines.
Carnack the Great | 2:50 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
"re..hmmmmm? | 1:23 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Sorry, but what exactly don't you understand? Not sure I can dumb it down any further, but I'll give it a try.
2008 Football Records, 11-23-2008
Utah 12-0, after defeating the mighty Cougars."
Try dumbing it down for me just a step further.
How do you know who wins the game this Saturday?
Teach me, master of the unknown.
Sorry, but what exactly don't you understand? Not sure I can dumb it down any further, but I'll give it a try.
2008 Football Records, 11-23-2008
Utah 12-0, after defeating the mighty Cougars."
Try dumbing it down for me just a step further.
How do you know who wins the game this Saturday?
Teach me, master of the unknown.
Utah | 3:18 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I hear the Ute's have been attending thier meetings and such so maybe some
magic will happen in thier favor this year?
Anonymous | 3:36 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
What all you BYU fans need to stop doing is running your big mouths and let the
players do the talking. I'm tired of all this we're going to win and
all this stuff. We need to all remember this UTAH beat TCU and BYU didn't
so JUST STOP RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS. oh and right on to the guy with the U on his
roof.
Anonymous | 4:19 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
What all you Utah fans need to stop doing is running your big mouths and let the
players do the talking. I'm tired of all this we're going to win and
all this stuff. We need to all remember this BYU beat UNM, and Utah pulled by in
a squeaker. No phantom late PI flag on a way underthrown ball, and going for the
extra points against OSU, or the two missed 30 yd FGs by a freshman TCU kicker
and Utah is 8-3 so JUST STOP RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS. oh and right on to the guy
with the Y on his roof.
How funny you will all look after the game, red sweatshirts that smell like mothballs and cheap tequilla, as you open your mouths, and no sound come out. Remember, your mommies have all of your rooms all decorated in red with a big U on your beds so you can have a nice rest.
Getting your heart torn out by your rivals is going to be tough. Especially after all of your lame trash talk. It will be sweet at 00:00 to hear the cougar fight song played.
How funny you will all look after the game, red sweatshirts that smell like mothballs and cheap tequilla, as you open your mouths, and no sound come out. Remember, your mommies have all of your rooms all decorated in red with a big U on your beds so you can have a nice rest.
Getting your heart torn out by your rivals is going to be tough. Especially after all of your lame trash talk. It will be sweet at 00:00 to hear the cougar fight song played.
Anonymous | 5:03 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
jan obviously needs a boy name. his statements are false. over the last 20 years
its 10-10... he calls that looking up?? and you could never tell that mr harmon
is biased... oh wait.
davidutefan | 5:38 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
You kewg fans can talk about the hate filled Ute fans all you want to but,
I've been a season ticket holder at Utah for 14 years. During that time,
I've been given the finger and called names by TDS fans at RES. I've
watched TDS players climb into the stands and try to fight ute fans at RES, and
I've seen a TDS fan at LES jump out of the crowd and tackle a ute
cheerleader for running with a ute flag(and subsequently having the crap beat
out of him). Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I hate the TDS fans
because they are obnoxious. If it weren't for them, I probably would have
no more animosity for the team than any other. I don't like any team but my
own. TDS fans just make it easy to hate their team.
Re: David | 7:40 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I have attended most games in LES and have never seen anything like what you
have described. Not one time! I think you must be hallucinating. I can tell you
if any person did the things you said happened, they would be arrested or at
least ushered out of the staduim and if a student, they would be diciplined.
Next time you attend a game, try going sober, please!
and again ute fans... | 8:34 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
BYU 52 utah 17
mongo | 8:56 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Zoobs are the worst fans. When I was 8 years old attending a game at the former
cougar stadium I had tomatoe sandwiches and tortillas thrown at me for cheering
for Oregon.
Re: Re David | 9:09 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Yes, this happened. It was about 9 or 10 years ago. The Utah cheerleader was
running with the flag and a BYU fan jumped out of the stands and tackled him.
The best and most pathetic part about it was that the BYU President blamed the
situation on the fact that the Utah fan had a flag and somehow egged the fan
on...?
Google it buddy, happened in 1999.
Google it buddy, happened in 1999.
BSU 57 utah 7 | 9:10 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
nuff said, end of story.
Jared | 10:15 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Brian Johnson better bring his A game...or this one coudl be a disaster. If he
plays like he has at the end of almost every game, Utah could take it. If he
plays how he has played early in games, it could be over in a hurry. GO
COUGARS!
Teej | 10:23 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Weird. Pressure, media attention, player and fan chatter during a week leading
up to a huge and hotly contested rivalry game?!?!
I am sure that its all hugs and high fives leading up to Michigan vs. Ohio State or Notre Dame vs. USC. Come on Dick and Jan! Football is a man's game. Man up. Deal with the chatter.
I am sure that its all hugs and high fives leading up to Michigan vs. Ohio State or Notre Dame vs. USC. Come on Dick and Jan! Football is a man's game. Man up. Deal with the chatter.
Cougar Realist | 11:10 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Given that TCU thumped BYU and outplayed Utah, only to lose, the case can be
made that the Horned Frogs are really the best team in the MWC this year.
But TCU was manhandled by Okalahoma, you say. Anyone care to venture a guess how either the Utes or the Cougars would have done against the Sooners.
But TCU was manhandled by Okalahoma, you say. Anyone care to venture a guess how either the Utes or the Cougars would have done against the Sooners.
3-Peat | 6:05 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Look guy's, Dick's just calling it how he sees it so give the dude a
break. I am a BYU fan and I'm LDS but I dont think I'm better than
anyone...I just think the Cougs are better than the Utes. Is that so bad? Oh,
and if you think there was no crap talk after Utah won a few years back your out
to lunch! The only thing that shut that down was the back to back Holy War wins
by BYU. Oh and to the guys comment above, we have more passion.
To Road Apples | 10:19 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I appreciate you pointing this out. It is what I have always argued, too. In
2004, Utah did exactly what BYU did in 1984, went undefeated. BYU was just
fortunate enough that the BCS didn't exist in 1984. hanks for proving there
are BYU fans with brains.
Apples To Apples | 12:02 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
"When was the last time a national champion beat a 6-4 team for the title?
If all things equal my prediction the 84-Y does not make the BCS title
game"
1984 when BYU beat a 6-6 Michigan Team. So let's not act like Michigan and Pitt are any different
1984 when BYU beat a 6-6 Michigan Team. So let's not act like Michigan and Pitt are any different
Pompous | 12:18 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
What a pompous story...BYU gets accused of carrying the "holier than
thou" attitude because of comments and stories like this one.
I understand that money talks and that the majority of your readers are cougar fans, but when you are so ignorantly one sided it amazes the few people that aren't cougar fans and causes them to never read your stories again. At least try not to look so obviously one sided, leave that to the opinion section.
I understand that money talks and that the majority of your readers are cougar fans, but when you are so ignorantly one sided it amazes the few people that aren't cougar fans and causes them to never read your stories again. At least try not to look so obviously one sided, leave that to the opinion section.
Mr Wonderful | 2:51 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
What at Gasbag! It's propaganda stories like this and BYU fans that make
everyone hate you, not just Ute fans. You make it easy to hate you. I remember
attending several games in Provo and BYU fans were uglier, nastier, foul mouthed
as one could imagine. Do you remember the BYU fan who attacked the Utah
cheerleader in Provo and got his face smashed in. The AD at BYU blamed Utah for
the BYU fan attacking. BYU fans give Mormons a bad name!
Provo girl | 3:26 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I'm a Cougar who married a Utah man, and for 30 years I've attended
Utah games with season tickets. Every year that BYU came to play Utah, it was
the same....drinking, offensive and vulgar language and over the top hatred
toward the LDS and BYU's program. So many Ute fans are out of control
drunks.....writing offensive language on their buses, clothing or whatever.
Utah's coach is a class act and a friend of the family, but some of the
fans are out of control and ruin it for the rest of us in the stadium. Utah
needs to come up with a better way to keep alcohol out of the stadium, and
civility and clean language in the fans! BYU fans my be obnoxious, but at
least they're not drunk and the language isn't dirty! Go Cougars!
(sorry honey...)
UteswilldestroytheY | 3:29 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Perhaps it's all the lame rerun games of yesteryear that show up all over
the TV during the year focusing on BYU's glory daize that fuel the
animosity torwards the Y. Plus their general arrogance of being spiritual
elitists down there. I hope they get their A#$ kicked by the U.
Re:Albuquerque | 3:30 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Wow! So you think moving from Albuquerque to Provo, Utah is a venture! LOL And
just because you had a spanish class with some kid from Russia doesn't make
you cultured. Get a perspective pal!
Knight | 3:53 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
So I get tickets to the 3-0 game at Y-ner stadium from a friend of mine who is a
member of the Y-ner club. My 9 yr old son and I all decked out in Utah Red find
our seats about 30 rows up and the 40 yard line we sit next to another Utah fan
but everybody else are of course all Y-ners and immediatly the Y-ing began and
it went on and on. Now they may have been calling me a fetching fetcher but the
meaning is the same. We traded barbs for about 3 quarters then when the main
Y-ner could not get the better of me he began in on my 9 year old son asking if
I was his real Dad, if I was his big brother because his Dad was in jail, and if
he was the first surviving abortion. He got his wish because we went to sit in
the high corner of the stadium which was empty (I thought Y-ner stadium was
always full) before I did go to jail for beating this guy senseless. You cannot
tell me they are pure or the rivalry does not mean much to them.
Just a thought | 8:06 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Thankfully, I've been out of state all week and missed out on most of the
blather from both counties. (Since I have to return tomorrow, I checked in-sort
of like an innoculation with the strain.) For some reason this rivaly seems more
childish on both sides.
One thing I like is that once the U started to load their team up with returned LDS missionaries, like BYU, their record improved markedly--especially against BYU. That must be a real bitter-sweet thought for the many loyal U fans who hate the LDS church--and use this game as an excuse to give voice to their religious hatred....
(For those surprised to learn, or say "ah hah" when they find evidence, that Harmon has a blue bias, well, sorry, I can't help you out other than to tell you to stay out of the Cash cab-you won't do well. They don't ask questions where the answer is obvious to everyone.) I hope this is a high scoring game--more fun to watch.
One thing I like is that once the U started to load their team up with returned LDS missionaries, like BYU, their record improved markedly--especially against BYU. That must be a real bitter-sweet thought for the many loyal U fans who hate the LDS church--and use this game as an excuse to give voice to their religious hatred....
(For those surprised to learn, or say "ah hah" when they find evidence, that Harmon has a blue bias, well, sorry, I can't help you out other than to tell you to stay out of the Cash cab-you won't do well. They don't ask questions where the answer is obvious to everyone.) I hope this is a high scoring game--more fun to watch.
Lamont Cranston | 9:09 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
re: Provo girl | 3:26 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
I have been to Football & basketball games at both schools. Quite frankly, Fans @ the Marriott Center are the worst of all 4 venues.
When in Jr High & HS, I attended a numerous games @ LES (in the S End Zone no less) which influenced my decision where to attend college. Needless to say, I spent 4 years dodging bikers around the Olpin Union Bldg. Popcorn popping... and Rise & Shout are tied for 2nd of my all time favorite songs... everything else (Even Country) is tied for 1st.
Provo Girl; I dare you to go into your Husbands Priesthood meeting in say February and see if you can differentiate between Red & Blue. I'll bet ya you can't.
Simply put, There are fools clad in both red & blue. Its all a matter of perception & what you will not tolerate.
I have been to Football & basketball games at both schools. Quite frankly, Fans @ the Marriott Center are the worst of all 4 venues.
When in Jr High & HS, I attended a numerous games @ LES (in the S End Zone no less) which influenced my decision where to attend college. Needless to say, I spent 4 years dodging bikers around the Olpin Union Bldg. Popcorn popping... and Rise & Shout are tied for 2nd of my all time favorite songs... everything else (Even Country) is tied for 1st.
Provo Girl; I dare you to go into your Husbands Priesthood meeting in say February and see if you can differentiate between Red & Blue. I'll bet ya you can't.
Simply put, There are fools clad in both red & blue. Its all a matter of perception & what you will not tolerate.
To: Knight | 7:47 a.m. Nov. 21, 2008
Yea you're right. There are a dozen or so byu fans who make the other
60,000 plus look bad unlike the 30,000 Utah fans who make the dozen or so good
ute fans look bad.
BYU/Utah | 8:26 a.m. Nov. 21, 2008
Hey, alot of the BYU people are from out of state and they really do not care in
general about the U of U except for when the U has a good football team, like
this year and some other years in the past when they also had a great football
team. There is more to the hatred from the U of U than they are willing to
admit. BYU is another world different from any other place and the U cannot
relate with it. BYU has a certain formality that appears as self-righteous to
outsiders, but Utah has a casualness that appears unimpressive to outsiders.
It's kind of like you have to have been in each world to understand it and
not judge it.
tangentially ranting | 11:25 a.m. Nov. 21, 2008
The only rivalry that can equal the so called holy war in the fact few people
care about is Stanford/Cal.
It'd be one of these Bay area schools that is the Harvard of the West not the Y as some repressed people here in Zion erroneously believe.
It'd be one of these Bay area schools that is the Harvard of the West not the Y as some repressed people here in Zion erroneously believe.
Ri-Dick-ulous | 1:13 p.m. Nov. 21, 2008
Can someone get this guy a tissue?
The best part about this article trying to paint BYU fans as non-haters, is all the hateful comments that their fans have posted after it :)
As a Utah fan living in Provo, I've seen way more "hate" then you could handle Dick, ever since BYU took that fateful trip to Texas. Somehow every coug fan I know made that game about Utah.
Passion? Animosity? You think these don't exist in both valleys?
It's a rivalry Dick. That's what makes it so dang fun. Sometimes it gets taken a little to far, like when a coug fan jumps the fence to attack a Ute cheerleader maybe ;) but it goes both ways, and smart football fans on both sides know this.
The best part about this article trying to paint BYU fans as non-haters, is all the hateful comments that their fans have posted after it :)
As a Utah fan living in Provo, I've seen way more "hate" then you could handle Dick, ever since BYU took that fateful trip to Texas. Somehow every coug fan I know made that game about Utah.
Passion? Animosity? You think these don't exist in both valleys?
It's a rivalry Dick. That's what makes it so dang fun. Sometimes it gets taken a little to far, like when a coug fan jumps the fence to attack a Ute cheerleader maybe ;) but it goes both ways, and smart football fans on both sides know this.
decisions | 7:34 p.m. Nov. 21, 2008
I remember being in the middle of deciding what school I would be attending when
I went to a BYU/UTAH game at the Y a few years ago. A BYU fan (one of those fans
that thinks this is just another game and hates the hype) came out and tried to
jump one of the U cheerleaders waving a flag. The cheerleader reacted by putting
the man in question on the ground with his fist repeatedly.
I looked around (I was in the Y section thinking that I might go there) at about 65,000 fans with their eyes glazed over in shame. The Y players stopped playing and lost after the beat down. I also made my decision.
I looked around (I was in the Y section thinking that I might go there) at about 65,000 fans with their eyes glazed over in shame. The Y players stopped playing and lost after the beat down. I also made my decision.
Re: Texas BYU fan | 11:16 p.m. Nov. 21, 2008
that was bull, anyone knows that. They didn't play a team with a winning
record that year.
Weak sauce. Keep living in the past
Weak sauce. Keep living in the past
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