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Dick Harmon: Utah fans fuel the fire behind heated rivalry
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Anonymous | 9:12 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
hARMON- YOU MUST BE A REPUBLICAN. I haven't heard this much stupid stuff
since the election. You also must be a friend of BUTTARS. another person with
stupid ideas. I know the deseret news will not print this so I don't know
why I wrote it. Harmon- that was the dummest article you have ever written.
Rob | 9:12 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I am LDS and a Utah Crimson member. I took my family of 8 to the game in Provo
a few years back. Heckled all the way to the stadium by Y fan's about how
we are going to get crushed. We won, and was heckled all the way to the car by
bitter Y fans and students. Y fans have no class as winners or losers. My kids
(4 and 5 years old) asked why the Y fans were so rude. Get a clue Dick it goes
both ways.
Silencedogood | 9:15 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
As someone who has been around PAC 10, SEC and the old SWC conferences I can
speak for experience that no other rivalry is filled with so much disdain for
the opponent than that of the Utah-BYU football game. I have been to other
rivalry games and no where have I been exposed to the enmity and filfthy
language than at a Utah-BYU game. I think that Mr Harmon has hit it right on
the head that the Utes take this game much more seriously than the Cougs do. I
sort of reminds me of the way that the Texas A&M Aggies take their big game
with Texas each year. It is important to UT but it is life or death to the
Aggies. That is how I sense the feelings of Utes towards the Cougs every year.
In years past it has seemed like the only game that the Utes really cared about
winning was the BYU game. Go Cougs this Saturday.
PS I have rooted for the Utes in every game up to this point and now I hope BYU knocks their socks off the BCS Bowl scheme.
PS I have rooted for the Utes in every game up to this point and now I hope BYU knocks their socks off the BCS Bowl scheme.
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Son of Bob | 9:18 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
It's an inferiority complex that fuels the U players and fans. "Beat
the goodie-two-shoes!"
Buster | 9:21 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
"Anonymous | 8:23 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I'll take all ya'll anonymous posts seriously when you have the guts to post your name. Til then, peace."
wow, you showed eveyoe on this one.
I'll take all ya'll anonymous posts seriously when you have the guts to post your name. Til then, peace."
wow, you showed eveyoe on this one.
Anonymous | 9:23 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
re: The real reason | 1:47 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
>>Why does Utah hate BYU? It is because of a double standard. If a Utah player spent time in jail,(as some have and probably will again--not a slam, just a fact), it is no big deal.No one expects any better from Utah! At BYU,a player who had these problems wouldn't make the student body, let alone the team.<<
I seem to recall a few Y hoops & pigskin having recent run ins w/ the law as well (for shop lifting) as well as honor code violations. Who can forget the pain killer epidemic awhile back down south?
Lets face it; if it weren't for athletics, the jails would be even more crowded. Sadly, these days, you need to have a few hooligans w/ athletic skills in order to take your program to another level.
Just imagine how boring things would be w/ team full of eagle scouts?
In Happy Valley, where things are beautiful all the time, the stripling warriors in blue are allegedly God's chosen?
To quote in Christopher Walken in Batman Returns, "Yawn!"
>>Why does Utah hate BYU? It is because of a double standard. If a Utah player spent time in jail,(as some have and probably will again--not a slam, just a fact), it is no big deal.No one expects any better from Utah! At BYU,a player who had these problems wouldn't make the student body, let alone the team.<<
I seem to recall a few Y hoops & pigskin having recent run ins w/ the law as well (for shop lifting) as well as honor code violations. Who can forget the pain killer epidemic awhile back down south?
Lets face it; if it weren't for athletics, the jails would be even more crowded. Sadly, these days, you need to have a few hooligans w/ athletic skills in order to take your program to another level.
Just imagine how boring things would be w/ team full of eagle scouts?
In Happy Valley, where things are beautiful all the time, the stripling warriors in blue are allegedly God's chosen?
To quote in Christopher Walken in Batman Returns, "Yawn!"
SML-PDX | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I want to see Utah's blood spilled all over SLC and their BSC hopes
destroyed! The "Piutes" are overrated!
Cougar Fan In Wash | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Jonny H is still open.....
4th and 18....
Just give us another great headline on Saturday. (that is all I ask for)
4th and 18....
Just give us another great headline on Saturday. (that is all I ask for)
Boo freakin hoo | 9:25 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Sniff, sniff ... boo hoo hoo ... "I just don't know why those mean old
Utes don't like us."
If you want to know where the antipathy comes from, look no farther than comments like the one Dick throws in here. Listen, I question a "man's" integrity who can be so untruthful about something as small as this rivalry. (Speaking in the grand scheme of things.) A simple perusal of these comments will tell you BYU fans absolutely feel the same way Ute fans do.
And what's wrong with it?
Isn't that what a rivalry is? I have plenty of family members who cheer for the other side and we have a lot of fun with it. We know where the lines are, but we embrace the rivalry.
Dick's comments make me want to vomit. I will never understand why some people prefer self-inflicted persecution, as if he and all the other Cougar fans just sit and take it, tears in eyes, whispering, "I just don't know why they hate us."
Have a little integrity. Get some cajones and tell the truth. Y fans are as "fully invested" in this rivalry as the U fans.
If you want to know where the antipathy comes from, look no farther than comments like the one Dick throws in here. Listen, I question a "man's" integrity who can be so untruthful about something as small as this rivalry. (Speaking in the grand scheme of things.) A simple perusal of these comments will tell you BYU fans absolutely feel the same way Ute fans do.
And what's wrong with it?
Isn't that what a rivalry is? I have plenty of family members who cheer for the other side and we have a lot of fun with it. We know where the lines are, but we embrace the rivalry.
Dick's comments make me want to vomit. I will never understand why some people prefer self-inflicted persecution, as if he and all the other Cougar fans just sit and take it, tears in eyes, whispering, "I just don't know why they hate us."
Have a little integrity. Get some cajones and tell the truth. Y fans are as "fully invested" in this rivalry as the U fans.
Timely Article, Dick | 9:26 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Dick, your article hits the nail on the head. Awhile back, I overhead a
colleague say that the BYU-Utah rivalry is the best in the country. I personally
think it may be the worst rivalry out there. The animosity and hatred expressed
by too many fans on both sides is a sickening indictment and a serious problem
that continues to get worse with time.
Hatred is an ugly, terrible emotion that has no place in a civilized society. If you really care, try looking at the thousands of positive, meaningful things that happen every day on both campuses and you will discover that both are excellent institutions with people trying to learn and do worthwhile, beneficial work.
Yet we allow the "hate" element to rear its ugly head and dominate the headlines and conversation whenever there is a sporting event between the two. The people on both sides who are willing to promote respect and appreciation need to stand up and become the dominant voice. To those hate mongers who won't let it go, I say don't go away mad, just go away. The world will be a better place without your ugly, miserable diatribe.
Hatred is an ugly, terrible emotion that has no place in a civilized society. If you really care, try looking at the thousands of positive, meaningful things that happen every day on both campuses and you will discover that both are excellent institutions with people trying to learn and do worthwhile, beneficial work.
Yet we allow the "hate" element to rear its ugly head and dominate the headlines and conversation whenever there is a sporting event between the two. The people on both sides who are willing to promote respect and appreciation need to stand up and become the dominant voice. To those hate mongers who won't let it go, I say don't go away mad, just go away. The world will be a better place without your ugly, miserable diatribe.
It's Simple | 9:27 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Utah fans are NOT fans of the Utes, they are BYU Haters!. BYU fans are fans of
their team, not necessarily Ute Haters.
In other words, the Utes would rather see BYU lose than see their own team win. The Cougs don't care that much about the Utes, just want their team to win.
Maybe it's the lack of maturity that most Ute fans have.
In other words, the Utes would rather see BYU lose than see their own team win. The Cougs don't care that much about the Utes, just want their team to win.
Maybe it's the lack of maturity that most Ute fans have.
Lew Sefurr | 9:28 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
RE: Holy War ? | 8:10 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
What about SMU v Baylor? Boston College v Georgetown? Wesleyan v Something something Nazarene?
I find it funny that the Lord's University is jealous of their secular rival and dying for worldly recognition?
What about SMU v Baylor? Boston College v Georgetown? Wesleyan v Something something Nazarene?
I find it funny that the Lord's University is jealous of their secular rival and dying for worldly recognition?
C. Rove | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Lets not forget; Utah is a Red state. Arguably, the reddest in the nation.
Happy Valley | 9:34 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
coogies - go back to your FHE lesson and shut up. UTAH WINS BIG!
Simple Solution | 9:40 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
There's a simple solution to all this vitriol; BYU should drop all
intercollegiate sports and concentrate on its mission and the mission of the
Church.
BYU-Idaho has done brilliantly since it did.
BYU-Idaho has done brilliantly since it did.
Ignorant | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Ignorant article. One way street? Sure. Come live in Utah County and cheer for
Utah. byU fans are incorrigible. And let's call a spade a spade, Bronco
shuts down media access for two reasons: 1)He can't keep on of his puppets,
Collie, from running his mouth, and 2) He's smug and arrogant. This act
shows a continued string of his belief that he and his program are better than
everyone. I'll tell you this, they're not better than everyone. TCU
showed that and the Utes will, too. Enjoy 3rd and the Vegas Bowl. Cal will be
waiting there to rock you.
re..Silencedogood | 9:43 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Thank you for helping to reject this article with your closing argument. BYU
fans have taken the place of old Utah fans. The only thing they have to cheer
for on Saturday is the possibility of smashing the dreams of the Utes. The
"Quest" ended with a drumming at the hands of TCU, and now what is
left is the reality of a trip to the Armed Forces Bowl vs. the Rice Owls.
What Utah is playing for is a trip to play with the big boys, remember that "Quest" that wasn't really about football but was really about getting to a BCS game or the season is a failure. Well this season comes down to one game that will define success for these teams. For Utah, win your last game and get a date with the BCS and $4.5 million dollars, don't worry Cougs your school and the other bottom feeders of the MTN West will get some too thanks to your big brothers up north. For BYU, beat Utah and at least they didn't get what you are dying for, again.
You have expressed the true feelings of reality for all Cougar fans in 2008, thank you!
What Utah is playing for is a trip to play with the big boys, remember that "Quest" that wasn't really about football but was really about getting to a BCS game or the season is a failure. Well this season comes down to one game that will define success for these teams. For Utah, win your last game and get a date with the BCS and $4.5 million dollars, don't worry Cougs your school and the other bottom feeders of the MTN West will get some too thanks to your big brothers up north. For BYU, beat Utah and at least they didn't get what you are dying for, again.
You have expressed the true feelings of reality for all Cougar fans in 2008, thank you!
Unbias observer | 9:44 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I think the players, coaches and admin people treat this game pretty much the
same but from my experiences I think there is more hate from a larger portion of
the Ute nation. Two years ago I attended the BSU game in Salt Lake as I did the
BSU game in Provo a couple of seasons earlier. At the Utah game as we walked
thru the tailgating lot we got a lot of comments positive to BSU but a majority
or more than 50% also added some very derogatory comments towards BYU for no
apparent reason. This occur before and after the game. At Provo we got less
positive comments but I did not hear any fan once say something about the Utah
Utes. This is a small sample but I conclude from these experiences that a
portion of the premise of this article is accurate at least as far as the fans
are implicated.
Darrell | 9:50 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Always good to have a well researched article that is full of facts and figures
by that pillar of journalistic quality known as Richard Harmon. Since when do
they let a newspaper reporter publish a story based solely on hunches and
theories without a single fact or source behind it? Nice.
Byu fans are just as angry | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
If I remeber correclty a BYU fan attacked a Utah Cheerleader a few years ago.
But BYU fans don't hate Utah, I bet he was just trying to see how is day
was going.
Michael Hall | 9:59 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
When I hear Y fans claim that Utes care more for this rivalry game than any
other game in the season, I wonder why the attendance at the recent win over TCU
exceeded that of any BYU game. And why Utah wins all their bowl games and BYU
loses most of theirs. Seems to me like Utah moves on to focus on the bowls
while BYU wallows in their losses to Utah or last second upsets and thinks the
season is over.
Hello?? | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
nearly all of these posts are unintelligent..dick is not saying the U fans are
so different than Y fans, he is saying that the U football TEAM seems to get
more fired up for the game than the the Y TEAM and that the Y TEAM is not
coached to get as fired up for the game....the Y coaches try to treat it like it
is just the next game in the season..... This is why every year even when the
cougs seem like they will dominate they get worked over and then have to pull
off the last second heroics to squeek out with a victory. That is the one
reason I like the utes is because they seem to play beyond their own abilities
in the big games and this year they've even played good against the weaker
teams as well. But if coach lets collie fire up the boys they will take the
game and send all those u fans home with nothing but a hang over....go cougars
35-31
Give me a break Harmon! | 10:02 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Utah's offense and defense are designed for the BYU matchup. Come on! Utah
loves to beat the cougs, but there are 11 other games in a season. "oh, the
rivalry is so one sided. Only Ute fans get emotional about it. BYU is too busy
attending seminary classes to experience passion."
Get Real!
Get Real!
Jordan | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Congrats to the Runnin' Yoots for finally having a good season in the wake
of the Urban experiment. I think Coach Whit has some of the same magic that
Austin Collie has experienced at your expense. I guess it makes sense....
he's a former Cougar. It's nice to see the Yoots finally get up for a
game. I feel honored that we can finally help you sell out your huge, massive
45,000 seat stadium.
The Yoot-Cougar rivalry is like little brother vs. big brother. The little brother lives with a constant chip on his shoulder from an inferiority complex. He'll win the occasional fight by administering a cheap shot below the belt. The older brother, once he recovers from the initial blow, always puts his little brother back in his place, but the little brother's bitterness remains.
It's OK little brother, you might hit us below the belt this weekend, but just remember your place in the pecking order.
The Yoot-Cougar rivalry is like little brother vs. big brother. The little brother lives with a constant chip on his shoulder from an inferiority complex. He'll win the occasional fight by administering a cheap shot below the belt. The older brother, once he recovers from the initial blow, always puts his little brother back in his place, but the little brother's bitterness remains.
It's OK little brother, you might hit us below the belt this weekend, but just remember your place in the pecking order.
FHE? | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Wow! Great use of mockery of the FHE...what's next, mocking the entire
Mormon church or just their culture...because of a Private University which is
owned by them. I guess when Football takes priority over "Family
Time" you have proved that Ute fans are more passionate about their
team.
Have your victories, Utah!
BYU will stick to our "self-righteous" ways of promoting family and standing for those things which we belive to be right!
(I know, right now you're thinking...I know a Mormon BYU fan who did...-or- You BYU fans think you're so much better than us)
It's football; it shouldn't be religion bashing and it shouldn't be personal...it's a game.
It's amazing to me that the ESA can be filled with Cougar and Ute fans cheering on the Jazz and can have something in common for a night!
Thanks for the posts of Fans that are fans of a good game of football and not Fans of Hatred.
Have your victories, Utah!
BYU will stick to our "self-righteous" ways of promoting family and standing for those things which we belive to be right!
(I know, right now you're thinking...I know a Mormon BYU fan who did...-or- You BYU fans think you're so much better than us)
It's football; it shouldn't be religion bashing and it shouldn't be personal...it's a game.
It's amazing to me that the ESA can be filled with Cougar and Ute fans cheering on the Jazz and can have something in common for a night!
Thanks for the posts of Fans that are fans of a good game of football and not Fans of Hatred.
BYU Fan | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
im pretty scared for this game. i dont think BYU has the team to do it this
year.
RE: BYU @ PSU | 10:10 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
WRONG!! Success for Ute fans is BCS or bust and the only way to get there in the
BCS monopoly is through the Y by going undefeated.
I could care less about winning the MWC.
If Utah had a loss then the Y game would be the biggest game of the season since you really can't get up for the Vegas Bowl when you've already been to the BCS.
I could care less about winning the MWC.
If Utah had a loss then the Y game would be the biggest game of the season since you really can't get up for the Vegas Bowl when you've already been to the BCS.
B ackside | 10:10 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I went to the TCU vs. Utah game. I am as blue as the smurf turf in Idaho but I
cheered for Utah to win that game. I celebrated with the Utes as they charged
the field and celebrated thier victory. I felt all warm and fuzzy inside as the
Utes hopes for a BCS game, national respect and an undefeated season were still
alive. I was so happy because this is just as I pictured the season happening.
Utah at home against BYU with so much on the line. So much pressure on thier
shoulders. Oh how sweet it will be on Saturday as BYU takes away all of the
hopes and dreams of the Utes and leaves them devestated on thier own field. No
amount of King Louis will save you on Saturday. The Utes defense is going to get
tired of seeing Austin Collies butt as he scores over and over. Utes get used
to seeing the backside of BYU because after Saturday you'll be seeing our
backsides in the polls. Go BYU!
Ben | 10:12 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I went to BYU in the late 1980's. Played in the marching band and had two
trips to SLC for the Utah game. From my experience and perspective, the level
of hatred Ute fans have towards BYU is very tangible. It easily exceeds the
emotion shared by BYU fans towards Utah. I think the operative word here is
"Hate." Based on rabid, foul mouthed, obcene, and inappropriate fans,
Utah wins that contest hands down. Sure, BYU has some of those types too, but
it's WAY less than those type of Utah fans.
Looking forward to a great game | 10:12 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
This is classic!!! Always will be. Of course BYU knows its rival. BYU wants to
win the rivalry on the field. But Utah takes this thing to a whole new level.
Moving to Utah in 1996 I had no idea what Utah stood for. I was glad to see Utah do so well in 2004, because until then all I saw was that Utah stood for anything against BYU. I thought, hey maybe some success nationally will help them branch out of their sole struggle for the admiration of the state of Utah. I was wrong. It may be worse. Some Ute fans are more disgruntled than ever and even act like 2004 had everything to do with outshining BYU.
BYU players don't think anything about their holiness in relation to Utah through the year or during rivalry week. I respect Kyle W. taking a better approach than Urban did. Urban played off misconceptions to rachet this up on a personal level. Lavell & Bronco are more like Kyle. Football is won on the field. No animosity needed. If as a BYU fan I appear to have angst, it is b/c I don't get the crazed perspective Utes have.
Moving to Utah in 1996 I had no idea what Utah stood for. I was glad to see Utah do so well in 2004, because until then all I saw was that Utah stood for anything against BYU. I thought, hey maybe some success nationally will help them branch out of their sole struggle for the admiration of the state of Utah. I was wrong. It may be worse. Some Ute fans are more disgruntled than ever and even act like 2004 had everything to do with outshining BYU.
BYU players don't think anything about their holiness in relation to Utah through the year or during rivalry week. I respect Kyle W. taking a better approach than Urban did. Urban played off misconceptions to rachet this up on a personal level. Lavell & Bronco are more like Kyle. Football is won on the field. No animosity needed. If as a BYU fan I appear to have angst, it is b/c I don't get the crazed perspective Utes have.
For the Utah Fans | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Too many of you here suffer from an apparent lack of ability to comprehend what
you read. I blame the state education system, but that's another matter
entirely.
Dick was very clear in his distinction between fans and the players. For example, Ute56, which BYU players showed up at the airport in Oregon with the "Harline's still open" sign?
None. Dick's article was about players...he said outright that fans were another matter altogether. As far as the portrayal of the BYU players, he got it largely correct.
Too bad for y'all though. It's clearly more interesting to hate, so just dismiss anyone who says anything remotely sensible, or factual, and go one with you sad little life where hating BYU is the highlight of your day.
Dick was very clear in his distinction between fans and the players. For example, Ute56, which BYU players showed up at the airport in Oregon with the "Harline's still open" sign?
None. Dick's article was about players...he said outright that fans were another matter altogether. As far as the portrayal of the BYU players, he got it largely correct.
Too bad for y'all though. It's clearly more interesting to hate, so just dismiss anyone who says anything remotely sensible, or factual, and go one with you sad little life where hating BYU is the highlight of your day.
JW Morrison | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
If the BYU team that showed up at TCU comes to SL then they will get creamed.
If the best BYU team shows up, they still might not beat BYU. I hope that BYU
wins but if they don't, then life goes on.
UteNation | 10:17 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Others have already said it, but I think it is worth repeating: this article
typifies the arrogance that is BYU (players and fans alike). Statements to the
effect that Utah obsesses over this game, while BYU treats it like any other
smacks of pretentiousness and sanctimony.
It is truly sad that BYU fans and players cannot have an honest discussion with themselves that their dislike of Utah is just as strong as that of Utah's dislike of BYU.
See you on Saturday. I'll be the guy wearing red!
GO UTES!!!!!
It is truly sad that BYU fans and players cannot have an honest discussion with themselves that their dislike of Utah is just as strong as that of Utah's dislike of BYU.
See you on Saturday. I'll be the guy wearing red!
GO UTES!!!!!
Stop the Madness! | 10:23 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
There is far too much hatred right now. I agree with the FHE Post. If
you've ever been to an out of state game, fans don't get this way.
They LOVE their team not HATE the other (and definitely not the fans)!
What a great day, once a year to see two great teams battle it out on a football field; why can't people let it stay there? Football has taken a back seat to this rivalry of fans.
Maybe this year Ute fans can try to better tolerate the cougar fans and be kind end exchange words such as "Wow, that was a sweet play" and next year, the cougar fans can do the same.
I know it could never happen cause both team's fan bases are to prideful; but overtime, it could restore this back to a GAME of football.
We are blessed in this country to even be able to watch football at a stadium in a "free" setting. Have you ever thought of 9-11 and other days that could have easily altered the "freedom" of football on a Saturday afternoon. Enjoy it!
STOP THE BICKERING AND ENJOY THE GAME AND YOUR FREEDOM!
What a great day, once a year to see two great teams battle it out on a football field; why can't people let it stay there? Football has taken a back seat to this rivalry of fans.
Maybe this year Ute fans can try to better tolerate the cougar fans and be kind end exchange words such as "Wow, that was a sweet play" and next year, the cougar fans can do the same.
I know it could never happen cause both team's fan bases are to prideful; but overtime, it could restore this back to a GAME of football.
We are blessed in this country to even be able to watch football at a stadium in a "free" setting. Have you ever thought of 9-11 and other days that could have easily altered the "freedom" of football on a Saturday afternoon. Enjoy it!
STOP THE BICKERING AND ENJOY THE GAME AND YOUR FREEDOM!
Re: Ignorant | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I think Collie has you scared, because he has backed up any and all comments on
the field. You can call him names, you can call him arrogant, but you
wouldn't bother if he weren't as good as he is.
He beat you last year '4th and 18' and you can't get over it, and you know he'll do it again. Enjoy your last chance to see him in person, unless you plan on attending some NFL games.
The Cougs by 2 TDS
He beat you last year '4th and 18' and you can't get over it, and you know he'll do it again. Enjoy your last chance to see him in person, unless you plan on attending some NFL games.
The Cougs by 2 TDS
WE sat | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
In the student section at the 94 game at the Y. We didn't wear our Utah
gear and we only really cheered when the kick went through at the end. Listening
to the crowd during the game made us laugh - they were like any other anywhere
second guessing and homering and using LOTS of language the honor code
doesn't allow. When we cheered Yergensen's kick we were attacked
physically and both our wives were shoved on the ground more than once. WE were
hit with more liquor related trash than ever gets into RES since everyone there
gets searched. And we hadn't yelled, taunted, or even cheered during the
game or been direspectful after the kick. And I see Y fans picking fights by
making sure they are "out there" in the crowd's face every other
year at RES. There are idiots on both sides but it seems that U fans apologize
for their embarrassing few while the Y denies any. That's why the world
laughs at BYU and the inflated opinions they have of themselves. Dick Harmon is
all of this with a venue and I'm sure he only has a job because he IS a
homer.
Anonymous | 10:34 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Hey Yewts.......Harline, Collie and now probably Pitta this year are STILL
open!!! HAHA!!!
GO COUGS!!
GO COUGS!!
Giving up already? | 10:35 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Read the last 10 comments and see how many Coug fans are already making excuses
or dismissing a loss on Saturday. I'll give you some credit, at least
you're calling your shot early! "You can have your win, but we are
still the most righteous people on the field that day." Who are you trying
to kid? This game would mean so much more if the Cougs hadn't of gotten
kick all over the field at TCU. Instead all it means for BYU is a chance to
upset the Utes.
To Jordan: Pecking order in the past means nothing, just ask Michigan, Colorado, Notre Dame. The pecking order today is your Cougs are an UNDERDOG going into a game with your "little brother." Doesn't speak too highly for you does it according to your own logic?
To Backside: Did you have to cover your eyes as you typed that? This is how you thought the season would play out? Hah!! Every since your glorious Vegas Bowl victory over and under 500 team, all you and your clansman have thought about is going undefeated and playing in the BCS. The only way your logic works is if you're a UTE!!!
To Jordan: Pecking order in the past means nothing, just ask Michigan, Colorado, Notre Dame. The pecking order today is your Cougs are an UNDERDOG going into a game with your "little brother." Doesn't speak too highly for you does it according to your own logic?
To Backside: Did you have to cover your eyes as you typed that? This is how you thought the season would play out? Hah!! Every since your glorious Vegas Bowl victory over and under 500 team, all you and your clansman have thought about is going undefeated and playing in the BCS. The only way your logic works is if you're a UTE!!!
Strange rivalry beyond football | 10:40 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I don't know what it is exactly. I suppose if Utah were given more national
acclaim through the years, whether deserved or not, as BYU has been given, then
the shoe would be on the other foot. BYU fans would jealously argue that their
team deserves more acclaim than Utah. The rivalry would still exist, but
that's where it should end--just as football.
Here's the crazy part: if during the Lavell years, BYU was not doing as well, and not playing and winning big games nationally, whereas Utah under Ron McBride was always ranked, going to bowl games, and then winning against Utah became BYU's biggest possible feat, the Holy war concept would be undermined a little. Why?
B/c BYU would not be able to attach Utah's winning ways to some idea that Utah must think they are holier and better than everyone. BYU could not do that because Utah is not associated w/ any one religion nor those merits. However, BYU is affiliated directly with the LDS Church. If BYU percieves itself as better in football alone, Ute fans naturally still attach a better (holier) than thou attitude to the BYU fans. That's just crazy! And sad!
Here's the crazy part: if during the Lavell years, BYU was not doing as well, and not playing and winning big games nationally, whereas Utah under Ron McBride was always ranked, going to bowl games, and then winning against Utah became BYU's biggest possible feat, the Holy war concept would be undermined a little. Why?
B/c BYU would not be able to attach Utah's winning ways to some idea that Utah must think they are holier and better than everyone. BYU could not do that because Utah is not associated w/ any one religion nor those merits. However, BYU is affiliated directly with the LDS Church. If BYU percieves itself as better in football alone, Ute fans naturally still attach a better (holier) than thou attitude to the BYU fans. That's just crazy! And sad!
Transplant | 10:40 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I am a transplant from Michigan. I have lived and worked here the past 20 years.
My team? Yes, the Wolverines! We have our fair share of rivalry games also. I
must say though, in the case of BYU-Utah, both sides have their idiots! And I
mean, IDIOTS!! Let's bring these idiots back down to earth, before they
hurt someone!! (How sad this is true!!)
Fact: BYU is a hated target week in and week out. (Teams care more about their BYU game than their Utah game.)
Fact: Utah's overall record in this rivalry is better
Fact: BYU has won more conference championships (including WAC)
Fact: BYU got slaughtered on the road to a great addition to the MWC
Fact: Utah barely survived this team at home. Make one of two easy field goals and Utah would have same record as BYU.
Fact: Utah barely survived an Oregon State team that hopefully wins the PAC-10 (I can't stand Pete Carroll) Again, would have same record as BYU
Fact: Both teams are great programs with honor and tradition. Both deserve respect from the other side.
Take politics and religion out of this rivalry please! Let's call it the "Civil War" instead.
Fact: BYU is a hated target week in and week out. (Teams care more about their BYU game than their Utah game.)
Fact: Utah's overall record in this rivalry is better
Fact: BYU has won more conference championships (including WAC)
Fact: BYU got slaughtered on the road to a great addition to the MWC
Fact: Utah barely survived this team at home. Make one of two easy field goals and Utah would have same record as BYU.
Fact: Utah barely survived an Oregon State team that hopefully wins the PAC-10 (I can't stand Pete Carroll) Again, would have same record as BYU
Fact: Both teams are great programs with honor and tradition. Both deserve respect from the other side.
Take politics and religion out of this rivalry please! Let's call it the "Civil War" instead.
Tarheel Ute | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Harmon is probably correct - this year, as Ute fans including myself have had to
live with our BYU friends and bloggers for the last two years. BYU fans in
general have been smug... until losing to TCU and their BCS aspirations. Now
for BYU fans as well, the Utah-BYU game and rivalry takes on added
importance.
The national disgrace as represented by the BCS will not allow a one-loss MWC team to participate. A BYU win translates into a Boise BCS invite. BYU and Utah football feeds off this rivalry year to year if for no other reason the BCS bowl system is such a sham.
For my part, I would for more enjoy and respect a win on Saturday, against BYU, rather than a subsequent bowl win, regardless of were Utah ends up; if nothing more than out of respect for the rivalry and to overturn the results of the last two years. I for one am not overly proud to admit this.
Regardless, if BYU or certainly Utah is invited to a BCS, I root for either, as the acknowledged and deserving representative of the MWC. Both will have certainly earned it on the field this Saturday.
The national disgrace as represented by the BCS will not allow a one-loss MWC team to participate. A BYU win translates into a Boise BCS invite. BYU and Utah football feeds off this rivalry year to year if for no other reason the BCS bowl system is such a sham.
For my part, I would for more enjoy and respect a win on Saturday, against BYU, rather than a subsequent bowl win, regardless of were Utah ends up; if nothing more than out of respect for the rivalry and to overturn the results of the last two years. I for one am not overly proud to admit this.
Regardless, if BYU or certainly Utah is invited to a BCS, I root for either, as the acknowledged and deserving representative of the MWC. Both will have certainly earned it on the field this Saturday.
reason | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I hesitate to write anything thoughtful in a forum like this, but here goes.
I am a life-long Ute and and active LDS member. I love my school and love my church. I think both sides (but mostly BYU fans) are to blame for the religious-related animosity in this rivalry. Nothing is more off-putting than self-righteousness. Here is an example:
Shortly after my mission I went to a Utah-BYU basketball game at the Marriott Center to cheer for the Utes. While I cheered enthusiastically for my team, a kid of about 14 turned around and said to me, "You're just jealous because we're more righteous than you." I kid you not. This kid knew nothing about me, but had the gall to make that stupid statement.
Another off-putting attitude among BYU fans is the idea that no good Mormon would choose the U over the Y unless they couldn't get in. Well I had no problem getting into both, but I chose the U. I went on to grad school in the Ivy league. Yet some BYU fans still make those ignorant comments to me.
Dick H., look in the mirror to learn the reason for the animosity.
I am a life-long Ute and and active LDS member. I love my school and love my church. I think both sides (but mostly BYU fans) are to blame for the religious-related animosity in this rivalry. Nothing is more off-putting than self-righteousness. Here is an example:
Shortly after my mission I went to a Utah-BYU basketball game at the Marriott Center to cheer for the Utes. While I cheered enthusiastically for my team, a kid of about 14 turned around and said to me, "You're just jealous because we're more righteous than you." I kid you not. This kid knew nothing about me, but had the gall to make that stupid statement.
Another off-putting attitude among BYU fans is the idea that no good Mormon would choose the U over the Y unless they couldn't get in. Well I had no problem getting into both, but I chose the U. I went on to grad school in the Ivy league. Yet some BYU fans still make those ignorant comments to me.
Dick H., look in the mirror to learn the reason for the animosity.
Hero of Canton | 10:48 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Categorically the worst article in this newspapers history, Dick Harmon needs to
stop pretending and go back to the Daily Garbage where his writting style can be
fully appreciated.
BYU fans are by FAR worse than Utah fans, there is not a Sunday that goes by that I don't have to hear someone espousing how great 'The Lord's University' is and how the players are role models that should be put on pedastels as examples of who the Lord helps in times of need. Give me a freaking break lil' cougie fan, your bringing of religion into this is ridiculous and makes you all the more of a joke to the rest of the known world.
BYU fans are by FAR worse than Utah fans, there is not a Sunday that goes by that I don't have to hear someone espousing how great 'The Lord's University' is and how the players are role models that should be put on pedastels as examples of who the Lord helps in times of need. Give me a freaking break lil' cougie fan, your bringing of religion into this is ridiculous and makes you all the more of a joke to the rest of the known world.
Cats | 10:51 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
In answer to Dick Harmon's question about why Ute fans get more emotional,
I think I can give some insight.
I attended both schools. I actually attended Utah longer than I attended BYU. I know just what goes on in both places. I can state, unequivocally, from personal experience that at BYU, the attitude toward Utah is a really strong rivally. At Utah, the attitude toward BYU is hatred and religious bigotry. I know this from personal experience.
I attended both schools. I actually attended Utah longer than I attended BYU. I know just what goes on in both places. I can state, unequivocally, from personal experience that at BYU, the attitude toward Utah is a really strong rivally. At Utah, the attitude toward BYU is hatred and religious bigotry. I know this from personal experience.
Mr. BYU | 10:52 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Say what you want boys and girls but there is a lot of truth to what Mr. Harmon
says! About half of the Utah fans are LDS and don't make a big deal about
the religion aspect, but most of the other half does make religion an issue.
There are Ute fans that accuse BYU fans of a "holier than thou" attitude just because they have certain standards that they are trying to follow in their lives.
Then there are BYU fans that want to generalize and say that all the Ute fans are have few standards when we know that can be false.
As for the rivalry, I remember when year after year it was a fanny kicking given to Utah by BYU almost every year and I really enjoyed it. Hats off to Ron McBride who got Utah competetive...and then he was shown the door! Nice treatment! Utah has made it competitive ever since.
Go Cougs!
There are Ute fans that accuse BYU fans of a "holier than thou" attitude just because they have certain standards that they are trying to follow in their lives.
Then there are BYU fans that want to generalize and say that all the Ute fans are have few standards when we know that can be false.
As for the rivalry, I remember when year after year it was a fanny kicking given to Utah by BYU almost every year and I really enjoyed it. Hats off to Ron McBride who got Utah competetive...and then he was shown the door! Nice treatment! Utah has made it competitive ever since.
Go Cougs!
Civil War | 10:53 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I agree with "transplant." There are too many idiots on both sides of
the ball, as it were. Let's call this rivalry the "Civil War."
I know there is already a "civil war" in the SEC, but I think the name
really fits this BYU-Utah Rivalry. Think of it, Brother vs. Brother
(litterally), North vs. South, etc.
Maybe a name change in this rivalry game would take the politics and religious aspect out of what is really supposed to be a form of entertainment. Yes, have passion for your team! Yes, support them no matter what...Die Hard!! But please, be respectful of the others accomplishments! Be proud even of what the other side has, and will continue to accomplish! But the signs and insults of pure hatred are definitely uncalled for! Both sides need to relax, take a deep breath and chill a little. The outcome really isn't the end of the world. Both sides care about their families. Both sides value education. Both sides deplore terrorists. Let's not turn into what we deplore! Have fun at the games! But watch your mouth, there are children present! That means you Mr. BYU and Mr. Utah Fan.
Go Utes!
Maybe a name change in this rivalry game would take the politics and religious aspect out of what is really supposed to be a form of entertainment. Yes, have passion for your team! Yes, support them no matter what...Die Hard!! But please, be respectful of the others accomplishments! Be proud even of what the other side has, and will continue to accomplish! But the signs and insults of pure hatred are definitely uncalled for! Both sides need to relax, take a deep breath and chill a little. The outcome really isn't the end of the world. Both sides care about their families. Both sides value education. Both sides deplore terrorists. Let's not turn into what we deplore! Have fun at the games! But watch your mouth, there are children present! That means you Mr. BYU and Mr. Utah Fan.
Go Utes!
Classless Cougars | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Offering up a church house parking lot to Utah fans for their tailgating
party.
Will the Y's lack of class never end.
And the whole cheerleader story... Did we forget it was a male cheerleader? Can we understand that maybe he was part of the problem, or was he an inocent little lamb?
Will the Y's lack of class never end.
And the whole cheerleader story... Did we forget it was a male cheerleader? Can we understand that maybe he was part of the problem, or was he an inocent little lamb?
Quotes | 10:58 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I love how this game means more to Utes than Cougars, yet Coug fans are the only
group who comes up with catch phrases from the past to trash talk about. Yes,
Harline and Collie were open, but get over it. I guess Ute fans should throw
these out there:
"Yergensun just kicked a 55 yd FG in your stadium to shut you up!"
"Remember that shutout, when BYU played anyone who volunteered at QB but couldn't muster a point at home!"
"How about the time our DT, Steve Fifita, ran right down your throats for a TD to cap an embarrasing blowout at RES!"
"What about the time our back up QB playing his first game every put up 41 points in LES and beat the great John Beck!"
"Remember the Fiesta Bowl, and all those Coug fans who traveled to experience something they will never have!"
And on Saturday, "Remember the time Utah beat the Cougs to finish undefeated and get to the BCS, AGAIN!"
You Cougar fans are right, this really does feel good to reminise!
"Yergensun just kicked a 55 yd FG in your stadium to shut you up!"
"Remember that shutout, when BYU played anyone who volunteered at QB but couldn't muster a point at home!"
"How about the time our DT, Steve Fifita, ran right down your throats for a TD to cap an embarrasing blowout at RES!"
"What about the time our back up QB playing his first game every put up 41 points in LES and beat the great John Beck!"
"Remember the Fiesta Bowl, and all those Coug fans who traveled to experience something they will never have!"
And on Saturday, "Remember the time Utah beat the Cougs to finish undefeated and get to the BCS, AGAIN!"
You Cougar fans are right, this really does feel good to reminise!
Texas Ute | 11:01 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I felt this article was very one sided! Where are the quotes from Ute players
and coaches regarding the rivalry.
My wife and her family are die hard BYU fans. I myself support Utah. Since being married, 7 years, I have always watched these games being the only Ute. I have never been treated so badly by family/friends than I have during and directly after the game. This rivalry is a huge deal for these BYU fans. For 4-5 hours a year I am not an in-law, I am the enemy. Even my wife treats me differently during the games.
I do agree that Ute fans are, unfortunately, more harsh when hazing BYU fans. I look forward every year to the game, but not to the abuse I take from family and friends during the game. GO Utes!!
My wife and her family are die hard BYU fans. I myself support Utah. Since being married, 7 years, I have always watched these games being the only Ute. I have never been treated so badly by family/friends than I have during and directly after the game. This rivalry is a huge deal for these BYU fans. For 4-5 hours a year I am not an in-law, I am the enemy. Even my wife treats me differently during the games.
I do agree that Ute fans are, unfortunately, more harsh when hazing BYU fans. I look forward every year to the game, but not to the abuse I take from family and friends during the game. GO Utes!!
Not Just Utah! | 11:03 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
BYU fans from Utah hate Utah just like Utah fans hate BYU, but 67% of BYU
students are not from Utah and weren't raised in the heated rivalry;
therefore, they do not share the intensity that "Utah Natives" people
have for this rivalry. This is why BYU fans in general don't hate Utah as
bad as Utah hates BYU. BYU is actually hated more by everyone in the conference
for a variety of reasons(22 conference championships since 1974, religion,
arrogance, traveling fans, ect...) I went to the UCLA/BYU game last year at the
Rose Bowl and trust me it was very intense because 1/3 of the crowd was BYU and
the mormon insults never stopped.
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