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Gay-rights activists call for LDS help
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No fear, if lawmakers are supporting the measures, they will be known when they vote.
Here here! Those of us who support Prop 8 and supporting traditional marriage, let�s also not sit back and be quiet! If those who are out to destroy traditional marriage are going to prepare for battle, the vast majority of Americans who support traditional marriage need to do the same.
We have been told that the day would come where society will call evil good and good evil. It is time for us to stand up and defend good and make it known that we will not stand for evil to be called good!
Would Mr./Ms. Redstone mind if I did the same, AGAINST gay marriage? Or would my house and place of worship be vandalized next, my name and contributions published on the internet so I can receive hate mail and boycotts?
Don't be surprised if the LDS Church doesn't voice its support on these bills. While it may not oppose them, helping them pass would look an awful lot like endorsing the homosexual union.
Their strategy is to pass seemingly harmless laws that will give them legal precedent so that once enough laws are in place, they can file a lawsuit against the constitutionality of the gay-marriage ban by claiming that they already have all of the rights and benefits associated with marriage, and therefore, their relationship should be recognized the same as marriage by government and society.
Senator Scott McCoy who leads the gay rights legislative agenda in the State Legislature is no dummy. He knows exactly what he's doing.
I get sick of hearing how civil rights have been violated. What a croc. There are NO civil rights violations here because being gay is a CHOICE. If you choose to do something that is wrong, you shouldn't be awarded additional rights just because you don't want to change.
These are basic rights - basic Human rights. I can't imagine, as a parent, raising a child while the State you live in treats them as second class citizens.
It is time for everyone to get off of their moral high horse and look at the Consitution of the United States. The right to Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happines, regardless of religion or belief.
It is your right to not agree with Gay marriage, but not your right to deny them their persuit of happines just because you dont agree with it. They are not harming any individuals by getting married.
That being said, the whole anti Prop 8 protest thing is just ridiculous. I've done my research (believe me) and the only difference in rights in CA is that gay people might have to pay some money to set up a legal will for their partner, whereas in a marriage it's often automatic that the spouse will inherit. The Federal Government however is a different story. They won't allow gays to file taxes jointly therefore they miss out on tax benefits. But that's the Feds.
In the meantime, if you think that (I quote) "50 persent of marriages fail" anyways you must not think of marriage that seriously anyways, so what's the big deal. Can't you have a ceremony anyways? (without the legalities)
I believe in marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN, and that is MY right. I DON'T agree with people threatening and scaring others about their rights--that's called tyranny--the minority trying to rule over the majority. Think about THAT!
"stones" have been thrown by the gay community.
Still, I cannot leave my pension to him or he to me. In case of death the next of kin can still come in and challenge the work we have done.
The watered down civil unions in SLC do not come anywhere near what the equal rights that SSM couples in California have. And remember, the civil rights only apply to SLC proper, not the county or the state as a whole
Equality for all!
I support Prop 8
Thanks for the call not to be silent.
The vast majority of people in all societies throughout history has embraced marriage as a covenant between one man and one woman. While we should not dislike anyone who approves or practices otherwise, we need to realize that the acceptance of non traditional marriage leads to malfunctioning society.
In addition, once such acceptance takes root, even among well meaning people of all parts of society, supporters of traditional marriage become the "enemy" and subject to the mob's wrath. All of us should have been shocked by the outpouring of hate and venom that came from the anti Prop. 8 camp recently which appears to be spreading. They are the ones most vocal about tolerance and practice it the least, if at all.
Constitutional laws that once protected families have been and will continue to come under attack so that it is possible that those who simply favor traditional marriage will be guilty of criminal behavior.
i do however agree that he should not hav asked the LDS church for help wen before he wanted to sepperate religion from government.
also, this country was founded on religion, and the freedom of. wen in court u stil have to swear in on the bible. god is also stil in the pledge as far as i know.
get over yourselves. all of you. no, for most gay is NOT something they chose. its something they hav learned to live with, for example if you were born with an extra eye. its not something you chose for yourself, just something you have to live with. Enjoy who you are, dont be ashamed of it!
and why should you care? they are not forcing us to like them. simply to accept them. they simply want to have the same rights the rest of us do.
if you think im wrong or have any other arguments, please, email me. thers nothing i love more than a good debate with someone who knows how to argue.
Nikisha Luzzelliniya
Nikalu137@yahoo.com
And, if you're not gay, how does gay marriage reach, let alone get crammed down, any of you're throats?
I'm genuinely curious about these questions. I've never read any reasoned explanation on this page for opposition to gay marriage which didn't depend, ultimately, on the presumption that God or the Bible had mandated opposition. But that's the same presumption that was once used to support opposition to miscegenation, isn't it? Especially in Utah, with our fondness for mixed marriages, we have moved past that antiquated argument. Why is it a logical or moral presumption now?
We need to organize a national traditional family marriage day and march in every city. Let's see the millions not a few thousands show up.
And the church has already made their statement on those things.
From my personal experience, it costs very little to name someone as a beneficiary of a life insurance policy or pension, or to put someone's name on your savings or checking accounts, or to put someone's name on a house title, or to name someone as a beneficiary in your will.
Straight, unmarried people who cohabitate do it all the time.
And setting up a trust/living will isn't that expensive either; a few months ago I received a quote of only $700 to set up a trust for my family.
Perhaps you need to hire an attorney who won't take advantage of your ignorance and paranoia.
Understand that you are not criticizing the church. You are criticizing God. If you are disappointed with God's decisions you need to take it up with him on your own. The leaders of the church only act on his behalf.
"-- Re: Legal Rights - Utah | 5:20 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008
How much does a marriage license cost?
It takes care of each of the legal arrangements you describe for a small fraction of the cost.
Equal protection under the law: what part of it don't you understand?
I SUpport Prop 8 and so did the majority of californians not just LDS !!!
FACT: Studies prove that if an identical twin is gay there is only a 20% chance that the other twin will also be gay. Since identical twins have identical genetic makeup....so much for the born-gay theory.
And by the way...The Church has NEVER promised to stop baptizing holocaust victims by proxy. The Church only promised to stop baptizing holocaust victims who are UNRELATED TO CHURCH MEMBERS. Church members who have ancestors or family members who are Jewish or holocaust victims have a perfect right to baptize them by proxy. This has never stopped. It will not and should not.
I have a great deal of sympathy for many gays as individuals, BUT NOT FOR THEIR AGENDA. What they are trying to do is unacceptable.
We can make a law that says a dog is a cat. But, no matter how many laws we make, a dog will always be a dog and cat will always be a cat. A gay "marriage" will NEVER be a marriage...worlds without end. Gay "partnerships" will never be morally equivelant to a REAL marriage.
Wrong will never be right no matter how much gays try to redefine it. Their argument is not with people of faith. Their argument is with God. And...God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
We've seen what REAL HATE is, loud and clear, the past couple of weeks--and it's straight from a bunch of the same people who pour so much time and passion into moaning and groaning about "hate."
Decent-minded GLBT people can't be buying into this hypocrisy (yes, it's that, too)--can you? I hope for the sakes of the otherwise humane GLBT population, more of you speak out against what the truly insane among you are doing.
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