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Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage
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Jazz Fan | 2:17 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Typical Laker fans!
Rights have not changed | 2:23 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
California law gives registered domestic partners the same rights as a married
couple and former domestic partners the same rights as former spouses. No
rights would have been changed with the passing of proposition 8. The federal
defense of marriage act passed in 1999 says same sex marriages are specifically
not provided the same rights as a marriage between a man and a women.
The only thing lost was the ability to be married in CA and be able to challenge the federal law in the liberal 9th circuit.
The only thing lost was the ability to be married in CA and be able to challenge the federal law in the liberal 9th circuit.
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Gay Mormon | 2:24 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Go to church on Sunday and do the following:
1) Count the jokes and references demeaning blacks
2) Count the jokes and references demeaning Jews
3) Count the jokes and references demeaning Catholics
4) Count the jokes and references demeaning the disabled
5) Count the jokes and references demeaning satanists
6) Count the jokes and references demeaning gays
Nine chances out of ten, you wont hear jokes and demeaning references regarding anything BUT gays. I do this activity each time I attend a three-hour block.
Shame on the Priesthood leadership for allowing such behavior. Now tell me that there is no bigotry coming from Mormons.
When UT has domestic partnership laws and civil unions, then they can say they are protecting marriage...
1) Count the jokes and references demeaning blacks
2) Count the jokes and references demeaning Jews
3) Count the jokes and references demeaning Catholics
4) Count the jokes and references demeaning the disabled
5) Count the jokes and references demeaning satanists
6) Count the jokes and references demeaning gays
Nine chances out of ten, you wont hear jokes and demeaning references regarding anything BUT gays. I do this activity each time I attend a three-hour block.
Shame on the Priesthood leadership for allowing such behavior. Now tell me that there is no bigotry coming from Mormons.
When UT has domestic partnership laws and civil unions, then they can say they are protecting marriage...
ls | 2:32 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Psst. when people attack the Mormon church...fact: more people end up joining.
Bring it on.
Re: Gay Mormon | 2:45 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
FYI-
More mormons in the U.S. live outside Utah than inside Utah. In case your wondering more LDS live outside the U.S. than inside the U.S.
# of jokes I heard today regarding your list, ZERO!
More mormons in the U.S. live outside Utah than inside Utah. In case your wondering more LDS live outside the U.S. than inside the U.S.
# of jokes I heard today regarding your list, ZERO!
commenSense | 2:49 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
it's over. deal with it. should have done the demonstrations before the
vote. move on with life losers
Carl | 2:51 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
GLBT group would never looked up or quoted Roman Chapter 1 in any of those
versions of the Bible in whole. This scripture which was applied to Romans does
equally applied to present time gays and lesbians who are protesting against the
traditional marriages. I would like to ask them to refrain from protesting and
get on life with their defeat in dignity.
ks | 2:56 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I live in Salt Lake and am not Mormon. Why the attacks on the church, they only
have a stand as the rest of us and other religions do. To blame this only on the
church is rediculous. The PEOPLE spoke by voting,these protests are not going to
change anybodies mind on this issue. Where was all the support for gay marrage
when the vote took place?
Equality for all. | 3:07 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Even if your version of God thinks otherwise.
They are all hypocrites | 3:09 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
If the LDS church was pro-gay marriage not one of these phonies would whine
about the "separation of church and state."
Gay marriage is wrong. The LDS church is right. And the phony protesters are hypocrites.
Gay marriage is wrong. The LDS church is right. And the phony protesters are hypocrites.
EM | 3:13 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
As I read these comment for and against I'm amused at the language and the
lack of correct spelling. People get a life and move on. Let people live their
lives as they see fit; their reward will come in way or another.
Me | 3:14 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
If I'm a bisexual, is it my civil right to be married simultaneously to
both a man and a woman?
It's like this | 3:24 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Standards and Principals do not equal "hate".
The lds try and stand for productive things like marriage, families, welfare for the poor, etc. and try to avoid smoking, the erosion of families, etc.
They have a right to have an opinion, right? They can also spread their opinion in a free market democracy, right?
The lds try and stand for productive things like marriage, families, welfare for the poor, etc. and try to avoid smoking, the erosion of families, etc.
They have a right to have an opinion, right? They can also spread their opinion in a free market democracy, right?
Anonymous | 3:27 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
LDS=Hatred and I hope the IRS changes your tax status.
MamaFirst | 3:36 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
TO SanDiegoD:
Well, all I can say is "tit for tat", and all of you liberals in California are a bunch of ridiculous hypocrites!
You ask why we "came into a state that is not yours, and poured millions of dollars into stripping the civil rights away from a minority group on a ballot issue that was not in your state and therefore was none of your business."
Well, in case you were asleep, two years ago the CALIFORNIA Teacher's Union came into UTAH and gave a lot of money and support to fight against UTAH'S ballot initiative for school vouchers. If you want US to stay out of your state, then perhaps you should follow your own advice and STAY OUT OF OURS.
Well, all I can say is "tit for tat", and all of you liberals in California are a bunch of ridiculous hypocrites!
You ask why we "came into a state that is not yours, and poured millions of dollars into stripping the civil rights away from a minority group on a ballot issue that was not in your state and therefore was none of your business."
Well, in case you were asleep, two years ago the CALIFORNIA Teacher's Union came into UTAH and gave a lot of money and support to fight against UTAH'S ballot initiative for school vouchers. If you want US to stay out of your state, then perhaps you should follow your own advice and STAY OUT OF OURS.
To RE: Gay Mormon | 3:52 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
You didn't listen close enough. Since I started my observations, every
3-hour block I have attended (in multiple states, not just UT and ID) has had
cruel comments and jokes made about gay people. On average, there are at least
five demeaning comments about gays. The majority of these don't start with
'A gay man walks into a bar...'
Granted, it may not happen in Relief Society or Primary, but it happens excessively in Priesthood meeting and occasionally slips into Sacrament Meeting. Most heavily in college wards, but family wards are also offenders.
I found it disheartening when I was trying to do all I could to fight my gay feelings that priesthood leaders mocked as much as they did.
After speaking with the Bishop and Stake President (both of whom were guilty), they both apologized and said they didn't realize how much they were making fun of a serious situation and how alienating that could be. Later that year, they talked about my comments in both Sacrament meeting and at Stake Preisthood meeting.
It happens all the time. Listen carefully. I'll come to your ward-and-count-if-you-want.
This is just one reason why many gay people feel that church-goers are hypocrites.
Granted, it may not happen in Relief Society or Primary, but it happens excessively in Priesthood meeting and occasionally slips into Sacrament Meeting. Most heavily in college wards, but family wards are also offenders.
I found it disheartening when I was trying to do all I could to fight my gay feelings that priesthood leaders mocked as much as they did.
After speaking with the Bishop and Stake President (both of whom were guilty), they both apologized and said they didn't realize how much they were making fun of a serious situation and how alienating that could be. Later that year, they talked about my comments in both Sacrament meeting and at Stake Preisthood meeting.
It happens all the time. Listen carefully. I'll come to your ward-and-count-if-you-want.
This is just one reason why many gay people feel that church-goers are hypocrites.
Civil Right??? | 3:57 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Marriage is not a right. Marriage is traditionally a religious institution that
societies have decided to give a privileged status to for a number of reasons
(social stability, family support structures, etc..).
The Prop 8 vote did not take away any rights. It merely memorializes in a state constitution that the privileged status of marriage should stay between a man and a woman.
Enough with the civil rights talk. No one's rights were violated. California voters decided to limit recognition of an elevated institution, "marriage", to that between a man and a wife- as has been recognized for thousands of years in almost all cultures.
The Prop 8 vote did not take away any rights. It merely memorializes in a state constitution that the privileged status of marriage should stay between a man and a woman.
Enough with the civil rights talk. No one's rights were violated. California voters decided to limit recognition of an elevated institution, "marriage", to that between a man and a wife- as has been recognized for thousands of years in almost all cultures.
Sam | 4:18 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
So much for freedom of expression, we used that "freedom" at the
polls, and we did it without bullets, spray paint, and name calling, or
attacking anelderly lady carring a cross. We believe that marriage should be
between one woman and one man. So does God.
The Farm | 4:23 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
The headline ought to read, "Millions stay at home and support traditional
marriage--man to woman."
carlo | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Hatred? It seems like everywhere I looked, it's the gay and lesbian
community who is showing hatred here. They are loud and boisterous and trying to
shove their lifestyle in people's faces. It's not a political issue,
it is a moral issue and the religious community has every right to express
it's view and doing it in a civilize and peaceful way
I Agree.
I Agree.
Wow! Re: Disgusted | 5:01 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
THe GLBT is right. Everyone, including Mormons, should have voted against Prop 8
even if it went against everything they believe. WHatever!
You talk about LDS members being hateful, yet who is vandalizing buildings? Who is blacklisting people for their opinions?
Hey Disgusted, let's think about this for a second. Why do you think Gay Marriage has to be voted on and straight marriages do not? Perhaps because gay and lesbian acts are not natural.
You talk about LDS members being hateful, yet who is vandalizing buildings? Who is blacklisting people for their opinions?
Hey Disgusted, let's think about this for a second. Why do you think Gay Marriage has to be voted on and straight marriages do not? Perhaps because gay and lesbian acts are not natural.
Jules | 5:08 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
You don't see those of us who voted for McCain out in the streets,
intimidating people, and blocking freeways, do you? Why can't you accept
democracy? Why vote if your going to be so INTOLERANT of the outcome.
Samurai | 5:12 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Hey! You guys ! Just Drop it!! Prop 8 passed already!
Just forget and drop it and move on you life!
Don't waste your time by damaging the Worship place!
Just remember all the Christians are right to believe what they want to believe. Respect that!
We don't demonstrate because Obama won!! WE ELECTED SO Prop 8 has passed and America spoke it!
Drop it ASAP, this is the last day and Christ will come soon! What a people who forces others to do what they do that's WRONG!!
Just forget and drop it and move on you life!
Don't waste your time by damaging the Worship place!
Just remember all the Christians are right to believe what they want to believe. Respect that!
We don't demonstrate because Obama won!! WE ELECTED SO Prop 8 has passed and America spoke it!
Drop it ASAP, this is the last day and Christ will come soon! What a people who forces others to do what they do that's WRONG!!
To all anti-8 Californians: | 5:14 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I'm a pro-8 person, but you are welcomed in my state of Utah, anytime. We
regular Utahns are not as disagreeable as some of you evidently think we are.
Please come and enjoy our hospitality.
A family from France, with whom we traded houses for a month last summer, (who also visited California) said they were pleasantly surprised that people in the United States were much nicer than their press would have them believe.
A family from France, with whom we traded houses for a month last summer, (who also visited California) said they were pleasantly surprised that people in the United States were much nicer than their press would have them believe.
re Gay Mormon | 5:48 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I have been an active member of the LDS church for almost fifty years and have
attended Church all over the world. I have never once heard a joke or comment
demeaning gays, blacks, Jews etc. I have heard numerous times that we must show
love to all of God's children and never mistreat them. You need to get
your hearing checked or have a serious mental health evaluation as to why you
are hearing things that aren't being said.
Anonymous | 5:48 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Mormons are 0.28 percent of the world. Gays are about 3 percent. The bible was
written by humans.
Aaron | 5:54 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
How is it that you can demand that gays and lesbians just lie down and take it?
You came into a different state expressly for the purpose of stealing the rights
of a specific group of people and you try and claim you're the victim? You
say separate but equal (domestic partners) - haven't we gone through this
already?
Do you tell African American that, while civil rights are great, their movements were intolerant because they didn't "respect" the rights of a majority oppressing them? Would you tell them isn't the back of the bus good enough, I mean, it got you where you needed to go, right? Do you tell them that separate drinking fountains are fine - after all, you still got water from them...
Separate but equal is NOT equal.
Gays and lesbians have a right to protest - read the constitution. It's called the right to "petition the government for redress of grievances". Let's not forget the right of free assembly.
Reason will win out, logic shall make itself know, and freedom and equality will soon arrive; just as slavery was abolished, just as women gained the right of the vote. They will have rights!
Do you tell African American that, while civil rights are great, their movements were intolerant because they didn't "respect" the rights of a majority oppressing them? Would you tell them isn't the back of the bus good enough, I mean, it got you where you needed to go, right? Do you tell them that separate drinking fountains are fine - after all, you still got water from them...
Separate but equal is NOT equal.
Gays and lesbians have a right to protest - read the constitution. It's called the right to "petition the government for redress of grievances". Let's not forget the right of free assembly.
Reason will win out, logic shall make itself know, and freedom and equality will soon arrive; just as slavery was abolished, just as women gained the right of the vote. They will have rights!
another to Gay Mormon | 5:56 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
With numerous gay friends, my antennas are always tuned in for gay references at
work, church, and elsewhere. While frequent in the workplace, I can honestly
say that in over forty-five years of on-going active attendance in LDS meetings
all over the world, I have never heard one gay joke, although I have had a stake
president that several times encouraged love and support for a specific young
man that was 'suffering' from SSA.
Never have heard a gay joke in sacrament meeting or in an elders quorum or high priest group meeting in my adulthood. Even during visits to wards in the Bay Area
Quit exaggerating your experiences at our expense. No doubt you have heard a few over the years as you have looked to be offended. Perhaps you are a mind reader and can discern what people are thinking about you.
In all my experiences growing up in Texas and Oklahoma and subsequently traveling around the world on business many times, I have never met a less bigoted people than LDS. Most are kind and genuinely loving to people like yourself.
On the other hand-if you want to feel ostracized, please visit Russia sometime-homophobes everywhere.
Never have heard a gay joke in sacrament meeting or in an elders quorum or high priest group meeting in my adulthood. Even during visits to wards in the Bay Area
Quit exaggerating your experiences at our expense. No doubt you have heard a few over the years as you have looked to be offended. Perhaps you are a mind reader and can discern what people are thinking about you.
In all my experiences growing up in Texas and Oklahoma and subsequently traveling around the world on business many times, I have never met a less bigoted people than LDS. Most are kind and genuinely loving to people like yourself.
On the other hand-if you want to feel ostracized, please visit Russia sometime-homophobes everywhere.
Becki | 5:59 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
How about basic fairness? Married spouses get half of their spouse's
social security at retirement? Gays and lesbians cannot go to a lawyer and make
it so for them? Are all of you who are sure you have a direct line to god
working to make social security fair? If so, I haven't heard it. Also,
don't be surprised that people are protesting your church; what on earth
did you think would happen? "OK, you poured money into my state to take
away right from me, I'm fine with it" . Protest is part of our
democracy' history. If you can't take the heat, get out of the
kitchen. How would you like gay people to act, so they are not "throwing
their lifestyles in peoples' faces?
Wallyworld | 6:01 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Why don't these protester's march in the predominantly black and
hispanic neighborhoods or in front of Catholic or Protestant churches???
They also overwhemingly supported and voted for prop.8. It's because they don't have the stones..I guess the LDS Church is an easier target. Try spray painting a black church and the Feds will nail you for a hate crime.
They also overwhemingly supported and voted for prop.8. It's because they don't have the stones..I guess the LDS Church is an easier target. Try spray painting a black church and the Feds will nail you for a hate crime.
Laura | 6:03 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I find it sickening that the gay community has websites posting information
about the Prop 8 financial contributors, the amount of money they gave, and
their places of employment. What a sick way to harass people who were donating
to a worthy cause!!
Voting YES on 8 was not anti-gay. It was to keep the sanctity of marriage between man and woman.
Voting YES on 8 was not anti-gay. It was to keep the sanctity of marriage between man and woman.
Millions????????? | 6:03 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Wow, I had no idea my church had millions to waste on convincing people to vote
differently than they wanted to, instead of like building temples, church
buildings, humanitary projects, etc. Hmmmm. I realize there's a lot of
tithing being paid, but that money goes to better things than what you claim it
was used for.
bporter | 6:15 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I am an active member of the Mormon Church who works outside of the USA. I do
not get to attend church with my fellow saints, nor attend general conference.
Yesterday as part of my personal Sunday worhsip, I was watching the Sunday
morning session of the last General Conference from October. I listened to a
talk by Elder Robert D. Hales, and I was quite struck by his comments about how
we should treat each other, especially those who are not of our faith. Those of
you who are LDS and are posting here, I would highly encourage you to read or
watch that talk before you make any further comments. I am guilty of making some
rather ugly comments to our gay and lesbian brothers and sister, for which I
aplogize and will have to repent. My morals and ideals significantly difffer
from yours, but that in no way gives me the right to say mean or ugly or hateful
things to you. We are all children of a Heavenly Father who loves us all. I will
still fight to defend my beleifs, but I will find a way to do it in a less
demeaning fashion.
cesqy | 6:28 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Throughout human history, the best way to raise children has and will remain
marriage. This isn't a civil rights issue, its human survival and deserves
meritorious treatment under the law.
Traditional Guy | 6:53 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I'm not gay but I, my wife and children attended the rally in support of
gay rights.
I was raised in the same ugly atmosphere toward homosexuality as most christians. I didn't know people who were outwardly gay until 15 years ago and it's been my pleasure to make friends of some. I have to say that as a whole, they are some of the kindest and most understanding human beings I have met. As far as living the words of Christ go (and Christ is never recorded once in his life on earth saying homosexuality is evil or wrong), I find the gay people that I have met to be much more Christian in practice than most Christians. They don't hate people for being hetero, they don't try to convert people to their way, most simply want to be accepted for who they are. And they want the same rights as the rest of America gets.
The gays at the rally weren't hateful, mean, ugly. They were more than civil and all smiles for the most part. The uglier people there were the Christians rallying against them. It was an honor to be there. I was touched.
I was raised in the same ugly atmosphere toward homosexuality as most christians. I didn't know people who were outwardly gay until 15 years ago and it's been my pleasure to make friends of some. I have to say that as a whole, they are some of the kindest and most understanding human beings I have met. As far as living the words of Christ go (and Christ is never recorded once in his life on earth saying homosexuality is evil or wrong), I find the gay people that I have met to be much more Christian in practice than most Christians. They don't hate people for being hetero, they don't try to convert people to their way, most simply want to be accepted for who they are. And they want the same rights as the rest of America gets.
The gays at the rally weren't hateful, mean, ugly. They were more than civil and all smiles for the most part. The uglier people there were the Christians rallying against them. It was an honor to be there. I was touched.
Bill | 6:54 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
If women had meekly accepted their lot in life and had not taken to the streets
and protested and caused a general uproar it would have taken them a lot longer
to win the vote.
If African Americans had not taken to the streets and marched and fought for their civil liberties it would have taken them a lot longer to achieve as well.
I would wager that there are a whole lot of people in some states today which would try and vote to reverse both those things if voting on revoking civil liberties was allowed. Oh. Wait a minute. That's what the citizens of California just did when they voted yes on Prop 8. They voted to revoke a minority group's rights.
Lawsuits have already been filed. Prop 8 will eventually be overturned by the California Supreme Court as an unconstitutional infringement on people's fundamental rights.
In a Democracy, a majority of bigots is NOT supposed to rule when it comes to equal rights for a minority of it's citizens.
If African Americans had not taken to the streets and marched and fought for their civil liberties it would have taken them a lot longer to achieve as well.
I would wager that there are a whole lot of people in some states today which would try and vote to reverse both those things if voting on revoking civil liberties was allowed. Oh. Wait a minute. That's what the citizens of California just did when they voted yes on Prop 8. They voted to revoke a minority group's rights.
Lawsuits have already been filed. Prop 8 will eventually be overturned by the California Supreme Court as an unconstitutional infringement on people's fundamental rights.
In a Democracy, a majority of bigots is NOT supposed to rule when it comes to equal rights for a minority of it's citizens.
Re: Gay Mormon | 6:54 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Another Gay LDS man here...
I second the sentiment about "Gay Mormon" above.
When I have visited several wards --- there are plenty of jokes, particularly in Priesthood meetings, about people unlike their own...
oh, shall we say ---
* not affiliated with right-wing politics --- liberals and Democrats are often the butt of jokes at those meetings. Particularly coming from a church which in doctrine tries to stay itself away from "politicking"
* gays ---
To those you are taught to extend love and compassion, you make jokes at their expense.
shame, shame, shame...
you know it's true. So stop it.
I second the sentiment about "Gay Mormon" above.
When I have visited several wards --- there are plenty of jokes, particularly in Priesthood meetings, about people unlike their own...
oh, shall we say ---
* not affiliated with right-wing politics --- liberals and Democrats are often the butt of jokes at those meetings. Particularly coming from a church which in doctrine tries to stay itself away from "politicking"
* gays ---
To those you are taught to extend love and compassion, you make jokes at their expense.
shame, shame, shame...
you know it's true. So stop it.
donaldd | 7:04 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Pain is trying to explain to an 8 and a 10 year old what "gay
marriage" means. Confusion in their eyes and questions. Sorry to ruin
their innocense. I can't imagine how confused the grade-school children are
in MA. Sad day.
donaldd | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I don't remember ever hearing an off color joke about gays while at church.
to Chris 9am | 7:21 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I have given my life to the Church. I have accepted every calling given to me.
I served a fulltime mission in a foreign country that was extrememly difficult.
Through the years, I have struggled to find a wife. I've done the best I
can and this challenge hasn't been taken from me, yet. However, I know how
Heavenly Father feels about immorality and the consequences and destruction that
will come to those who practice it. Therefore, I choose not to indulge in a
sexual relationship until it has been sanctified by God, to further His plan for
His children. You have that same choice.
ToDonaldd | 7:36 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
"Sometimes men love men and women love women and they want to share their
lives with each other."
Gee, that didn't hurt a bit.
Gee, that didn't hurt a bit.
MJB | 7:37 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Gays and their sympathizers are acting like the naked king who strutted around
showing his new robe that didn't really exist. The 'civil
rights' they claim to be deprived of are just a delusional mental
fabrication reflecting their rationalization of being able to have what ever
they want.
In simple terms it's called acting like a bratty two year old who wants another kid's toy that is not theirs.
Sorry gays but marriage isn't a right. It is an institution created by religions thousands of years ago. Religions toy...... not yours.
In simple terms it's called acting like a bratty two year old who wants another kid's toy that is not theirs.
Sorry gays but marriage isn't a right. It is an institution created by religions thousands of years ago. Religions toy...... not yours.
Sneaky Jimmy | 7:39 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
to donalld:
Pain is hearing the hatred spewing from people like you about the "life style choice" that SSA people supposedly make. Most 8 & 10 year old kids will think that if 2 people love each other they should be together. What say ye?
Pain is hearing the hatred spewing from people like you about the "life style choice" that SSA people supposedly make. Most 8 & 10 year old kids will think that if 2 people love each other they should be together. What say ye?
Laura | 7:41 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I've noticed that most of these protestors are from the younger generation.
They are victims of liberal media propaganda that has taught them NOT to be
God-fearing. When will they be compelled to humility?
DavidE | 8:01 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Marriage is a religious issue, not a civil one. Homosexuality is such a serious
sin that two cities were destroyed by God to get rid of it.
The Mormon church was not the only church that was against Prop 8 and went public against it. Many others did too.
What is marriage should be decided by the churches, not the courts. Since the gays cannot win in the churches they have fled to the courts.
For all I care a person can "marry" a fish. But that doesn't make it a marriage.
Marriage must be recognized by God to be a marriage and God never has recognized same sex relationships.
The Mormon church was not the only church that was against Prop 8 and went public against it. Many others did too.
What is marriage should be decided by the churches, not the courts. Since the gays cannot win in the churches they have fled to the courts.
For all I care a person can "marry" a fish. But that doesn't make it a marriage.
Marriage must be recognized by God to be a marriage and God never has recognized same sex relationships.
Gay comments at church | 8:10 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
What church are you guy going to? I am on the high counsel and visit many Wards
(CA). Never have I EVER heard a negative comment regarding gays. Our Stake
& Ward leaders would not tolerate it for a second. The gay community is so
far off on their accusations. You are biting the hand of the most compassionate
group there is!
Honoring marriage | 8:25 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that 2 guys that made very serious
marital vows and then openly broke those vows to satiate other desires are
arguing for their right to marry?
bam0612 | 8:26 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
i think it's interesting that according to the secy of state office in
california, 75% of the people who voted FOR prop 8 were BLACK. why isn't
anyone protesting and vandalizing their homes and businesses.
and for the math.... there are only about 400,000 lds members in california. 5 MILLION people voted for it. yup, i see where that would lead me to target the lds church. makes sense somewhere in some universe.
and for the math.... there are only about 400,000 lds members in california. 5 MILLION people voted for it. yup, i see where that would lead me to target the lds church. makes sense somewhere in some universe.
What? | 8:39 p.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Let us be clear. Worship is to be respected. Prayer is to be respect. Once an
organized church sets out to be a political action committee they have to
understand that they can be critized, debated, called names the whole bit. My
suggestion is, do not set your self up as a instutition of "faith"
when actually you behaved as a political action committee. The church holds
some responsiblity for the division. If the "word, the truth, and the
light" would take some of the responsibility for this divide, they could
begin actual healing. You can not cloak yourself "faith" while
engaging politics, and then say it is inappropriate to critize a person of
faith, when really you are just another politician.
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