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Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage
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Charity | 10:05 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I have to laugh when I hear the argument that mormons should have spent money
feeding the poor instead of supporting the yes on prop 8 side.
If homosexuals had not illegally married in San Francisco a few years back and then filed lawsuits when their marriages were disallowed we never would of had to pass prop 8.
Of course spending the money is good for our economy here in CA. We wouldn't of had to spend so much, but the opposition did.
As far as Utah is concerned. It is the most charitable state. It is #1 in charitable donations, so I guess all those mormons are helping the poor after all.
Next time, save us money and keep your equal rights (since everyone has the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex) and stop demanding special rights.
If homosexuals had not illegally married in San Francisco a few years back and then filed lawsuits when their marriages were disallowed we never would of had to pass prop 8.
Of course spending the money is good for our economy here in CA. We wouldn't of had to spend so much, but the opposition did.
As far as Utah is concerned. It is the most charitable state. It is #1 in charitable donations, so I guess all those mormons are helping the poor after all.
Next time, save us money and keep your equal rights (since everyone has the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex) and stop demanding special rights.
Question | 10:14 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
How come you pro same sex marriage people can't answer these questions.
What rights do I not have that other people have? And how am I not equal in
rights if I have the exact same rights?
I will help you since you confused people always avoid logic and you can't be honest when it comes to this subject.
You have all the same rights as all other Americans. You are equal. You can marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else can. Completely equal.
I will help you since you confused people always avoid logic and you can't be honest when it comes to this subject.
You have all the same rights as all other Americans. You are equal. You can marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else can. Completely equal.
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Lies | 10:19 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
You no on 8 people told many lies during the campaign and you continue to do so.
Same sex marriage would have been taught in schools if 8 hadn't passed.
Just like in Massachusetts. Your lies are so easily debunked.
Feed the children | 10:32 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
We need all these homosexuals and lesbians to stop protesting like immature
babies (since they lost in this election) and get out there and work and feed
the poor. Why didn't they use that 40 million dollars spent to defeat prop
8, to feed the poor? I guess they are very unChristian because the Mormons spent
money on prop 8 and still fed the poor. In fact Utah is the most charitable
state in the nation. I guess Mormons are the best Christians after all according
to your standards.
LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE | 10:33 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
To all you left-handed people. Don't you know that your lifestyle is a
CHOICE? And my leader says that your choice is wrong. God only recognizes
right-handed people. It's only natural and most people are right-handed.
Please learn to be right-handed to live under God's laws, or don't use
any hands at all. Otherwise you're a sinner and God will NOT allow any
left-handed people into Heaven.
Makes as much sense as the Church's stand on gayness.
Think LOVE, be LOVE
from a straight Mormon in California who stand with her gay brothers and sisters for equality.
Makes as much sense as the Church's stand on gayness.
Think LOVE, be LOVE
from a straight Mormon in California who stand with her gay brothers and sisters for equality.
Help the cause | 10:48 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Sure some people that are for same sex marriage now may have a more negative
view of our church. But your protests have turned some of those who voted for
gay marriage against it now. Plus since the country is over whelmingly against
gay marriage, this has given many more people a favorable view of the LDS
church. People see your protests and don't want to be like you. They know
what is right and now they know more about us and are seeking us out more. You
people trying to destroy our church are actually helping to build it. You are
definitely aiding the traditional marriage side. This is called the law of
unintended consequences. The more you cry and whine and try to tear down
democracy, the more you convince people to be against gay marriage and become
more favorable to the LDS church.
to not really a straight Mormon | 10:57 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
You aren't a Mormon or you would know that homosexuality is wrong. You
would also know the prophet is right. You are wrong on both counts. Strike 3 is
you know that homosexuals and lesbians have exactly the same rights as we do. We
are all equal and can marry someone of the opposite sex. You swung and missed 3
times. You are outta here. Save your antimormon stuff for the village idiots out
there. You lost this game and you are playing for the wrong team.
Derek | 10:59 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Tenderheart: you rock.
I agree with the ideas expressed about how outrageous the gay/lesbian community's actions have become. If I was making a choice, I simply choose religion over shaking old women in wheelchairs.
I guess I'm just a softie with old people holding crosses.
I agree with the ideas expressed about how outrageous the gay/lesbian community's actions have become. If I was making a choice, I simply choose religion over shaking old women in wheelchairs.
I guess I'm just a softie with old people holding crosses.
Johnny Utah #9 | 11:36 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Re: Lies | 10:19 p.m.
Nice investigative work, you should be on CSI...
So, would they make gay marriage a new class in all these elementary schools or something? I don't remember marriage (gay OR straight) being a part of the curriculum at any school I attended.
The government shouldn't have anything to do with any marriages, gay or straight. Many have said it's "god�s law" and it should be kept that way, separated from the state law. Just like the Constitution says.
Nice investigative work, you should be on CSI...
So, would they make gay marriage a new class in all these elementary schools or something? I don't remember marriage (gay OR straight) being a part of the curriculum at any school I attended.
The government shouldn't have anything to do with any marriages, gay or straight. Many have said it's "god�s law" and it should be kept that way, separated from the state law. Just like the Constitution says.
Oxy Moroni | 11:45 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Re: to not really a straight Mormon | 10:57 p.m
It's people like you that perpetuate these issues. So blinded by your devotion to your "prophet" that you cannot see the real world for what it is. You are denying basic civil rights to fellow human beings. And they are just that� "civil" rights. The bible or book of mormon have no place in any civil laws.
I can only roll my eyes and shake my head in disbelief at the ignorance and bigotry displayed in your comments. It saddens me think how many other have the same narrow minded views as you do.
It's people like you that perpetuate these issues. So blinded by your devotion to your "prophet" that you cannot see the real world for what it is. You are denying basic civil rights to fellow human beings. And they are just that� "civil" rights. The bible or book of mormon have no place in any civil laws.
I can only roll my eyes and shake my head in disbelief at the ignorance and bigotry displayed in your comments. It saddens me think how many other have the same narrow minded views as you do.
to Oxy Ignorant | 12:15 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
You have the same rights as all Americans. You can marry someone of the opposite
sex who is an adult and not a close relative. You are not being denied any
rights. I don't have to argue this using religion at all since I know you
have no clue when it comes to God or religion. You are a bigot against Mormons
and other God fearing people. You are ignorant when it comes to the
Constitution, rights, or natural laws. If I was you I would be sad too. Same sex
couples cannot consumate or procreate. Their parts aren't compatible. In CA
where I live you can have civil unions. Which gives all rights without the name
marriage. Children without mothers are more likely to end up getting pregnant or
causing a teen pregnancy. Children without fathers are more likely to commit
crimes. A man and a woman compliment each other and children need that. Even in
divorce most kids get to spend time with both parents. Homosexuals and lesbians
are many more times likely to child molest than heterosexuals. Their gay
behavior is abnormal and twisted. Homosexuals and lesbians have a choice and
they made the wrong choice.
to Johnny | 12:27 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
In California marriage is taught in sex ed and outside of sex ed in school K-12.
So if 8 was defeated same sex marriage would have been taught in schools here.
It is taught in Massachusetts K-12 schools. They have gay days for elementary
schools there and you can't opt your kids out since most of it is outside
of sex ed. You are like some of my students who don't pay attention in
class, so it doesn't suprise me that you missed the whole marriage thing in
school. You also didn't get that whole Constitution thing either. There is
no mention of seperation of church and state in the Constitution. Please study
the issue some before you opin next time.
On left handedness | 8:48 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Being left handed is not one of the three highest risk factors for contracting
AIDS/HIV. The top three risk factors are: 2. Prostitution 3. Drug Use and the
Number 1 risk factor? 1. Homosexual sex. Please verify with the Center for
Disease Control and the World health Organization.
To anonymous | 8:59 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
You seem to have missed that children in Arkansas AREN'T going to homes
with one husband and one wife because those homes ARE NOT available. Worse
still is that homes with two females or two males or even 1 male and 1 female
that are not legally married but loving and capable of being good parents were
excluded in a state with a SHORTAGE of foster and adoptive parents. Again, you
sacrificed children to institutions to protect the "sanctity of
marriage." Do you really not remember the Romanian children damaged by
these institutions? Again, 1 man and 1 woman as married are not presenting
themselves as foster and adoptive parents. So the children are being sacrificed
for your cause.
Re: to Johnny | 12:27 a.m | 9:16 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Well, since marriage is a religious institution it has no business in schools or
government. Separation of church and state is part of the First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" So if marriage is an establishment
of religion the state has no right to govern it.
I think gay marriage should part of the sex ed program in schools. School should prepare our children for anything and everything that life can throw at them. Education is the answer, ignorance only breeds bigotry.
I think gay marriage should part of the sex ed program in schools. School should prepare our children for anything and everything that life can throw at them. Education is the answer, ignorance only breeds bigotry.
John Pack Lambert | 9:26 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
No one has denied that thousands of Latter-day Saints participated in a
grassroots campaign to pass Proposition 8. We joined with other people of faith
to accomplish this. Just read the statements of the Catholic Bishop of
Sacramento on this issue.
However, as I have pointed out before, these were Latter-day Saints living in California who participated in the campaign.
However, as I have pointed out before, these were Latter-day Saints living in California who participated in the campaign.
Oxy Moroni | 9:28 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Re: to Oxy Ignorant | 12:15 a.m
Gays and Lesbians cannot marry the person they love. (Obviusly it still has to be an adult and not a close relative)So, they do not have the same rights that you do. You should stick to reading your church propaganda, and keep your nose out of business that doesn't pertain to you.
You are not a "god fearing" person.
Fear IS your god.
That fear, is controlling every aspect of your life.
Gays and Lesbians cannot marry the person they love. (Obviusly it still has to be an adult and not a close relative)So, they do not have the same rights that you do. You should stick to reading your church propaganda, and keep your nose out of business that doesn't pertain to you.
You are not a "god fearing" person.
Fear IS your god.
That fear, is controlling every aspect of your life.
John Pack Lambert | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
To the 8:59 commentator,
I have known people who have waited for years to adopt children. So either Arkansas has too localized a system or there are other problems.
Also, I was not aware that the meaure in Arkansas had any effect on foster care.
Maybe if state's did not mass evacute 300 plus children when they only had anecdotal evidence of abuse in one or two households in the neighborhood they would not have overloaded foster care systems.
I have known people who have waited for years to adopt children. So either Arkansas has too localized a system or there are other problems.
Also, I was not aware that the meaure in Arkansas had any effect on foster care.
Maybe if state's did not mass evacute 300 plus children when they only had anecdotal evidence of abuse in one or two households in the neighborhood they would not have overloaded foster care systems.
Adam and Steve | 9:40 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
A darn good thing God didn't start out with Adam and Steve... or Adelle and
Eve for that matter. Where would we be today?
This know also that in the last days, perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of thier own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.
WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS, INCONTINENT (lacking self-control), fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD, traiters, heady, (bold in their iniquity), high-minded, LOVERS OF PLEASURES MORE THAN LOVERS OF GOD, from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:1-5
Welcome to the last days! Who's on the Lord's side, whom? Now is the time to show, We ask it fearlessly...
This know also that in the last days, perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of thier own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.
WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS, INCONTINENT (lacking self-control), fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD, traiters, heady, (bold in their iniquity), high-minded, LOVERS OF PLEASURES MORE THAN LOVERS OF GOD, from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:1-5
Welcome to the last days! Who's on the Lord's side, whom? Now is the time to show, We ask it fearlessly...
nightmare | 9:59 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Most people who adopt their children out want a good moral mom and a dad for
their children.... NOT 2 dads or 2 moms-- this would NOT be fair to the child.
Parents should always make certain when adopting out their children that he/she
will NOT be placed in a gay home. It should also be in writing.
please think | 1:57 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Far from showing that California�s Supreme Court was wrong
to extend the right of marriage to gay people, the passage of Proposition 8 is a
reminder of the crucial role that the courts play in protecting vulnerable
groups from unfair treatment. Mormons were once such a group and it is not hard
to imagine that they could be again. Be wise and think about that for a
while...
No Worries | 2:23 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
There's the possibility the Amendment will be ruled Unconstitutional-Again.
To Lambert | 2:40 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
The people you know that are waiting to adopt have waited for years because they
want a baby. Not all children eligible for fostering or for adoption are pink,
perfect and infants. Some have heart defects relating to a drug addicted mother
or just nature, some have fetal alcohol syndrome, some have renal issues and
various other problems. Sorry, but for those children very few are waiting and
some that were happened to be homosexual and now are ineligible. Yeah, those
kids are better of institutionalized than is a gay loving home? Sorry if I
rolled my eyes on that one.
You also might want too remember that it was Texas, not Arkansas that mass evacuated children from their non-standard homes.
-volunteer for special needs children in the system
You also might want too remember that it was Texas, not Arkansas that mass evacuated children from their non-standard homes.
-volunteer for special needs children in the system
TO: Fight for what is right | 3:45 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Where did you get your information from? It is simply not true, in fact you
made it up. It's disgusting. It is people like you who perpetuate hate
(and probably the same ones who believe Obama is a Muslim).
Anonymous | 5:25 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
For the last time, THIS IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE!!!!! You have every right we
do, and I am sick of you and your pathetic sign waving!! Also, please, quit
comparing this to segregation and slavery. This is nothing like that. Gender is
not a choice, so segregation is wrong. Race is not a choice, so slavery is
wrong. But, for the love of Pete, dont try to tell me that homosexuality is
something that you are born with. YOu can choose to stop at any time. Please
do!!
Joke | 5:36 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
The LDS commenters on here who are so sure that homosexuality is a choice,
it's completely laughable. You think it's true because, hmmm...you
are gay yourself? (in that case, I might believe you) OR your pastor told you
so? You read it in a mormon book? you saw it on a mormon tv station? your
incorrect idea is certainly not from any intelligent or intellectual training or
experience. Those of you who have said so, demonstrate the tragedy of bigotry
in its truest form, sadly. And it shows that people in UT seem to be very poorly
educated.
Mormon Defender 2 | 5:47 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I agree with Mormon Defender, who got his/her facts straight with the voting. I
have a couple of things to say to those who are homosexuals or supporters of
homosexuals out there who say that if you don't support gay marriage you
are violating the constitution by taking away their "right to marry"
somebody of the same sex. Well, take a good look at yourselves: shooting out
windows at LDS Churches in some areas in Utah, fires at seminary buildings,
trying to bann Utah. If that isn't ignorance, I don't know what is.
Your Rights | 5:52 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I believe gay people have the right to decide who they want to date/live with/be
with, etc., the right to fair housing and employment (unless working for a
church or Christian organization), the right to leave their estate to whomever
they please and the right of visitation in hospitals, etc.
However, marriage is not a civil right.
You also do not have the right to force others to accept homosexuality as normal, equal to heterosexuality, etc.
However, marriage is not a civil right.
You also do not have the right to force others to accept homosexuality as normal, equal to heterosexuality, etc.
WORTH READING | 6:00 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
If you really want to understand hypocrisy, turn to the article on this very
website regarding the 21 children recently seized from Evangelicals. We can
deal with the children in Texas that were seized from Mormons some other time.
Both stories completely neutralize your support of Prop 8 and show the religious
community to be the hypocrites and bigots that they are.
Re: Joke | 6:09 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
What bothers me about people like you is that you label anyone who doesn't
buy into your way of thinking as a moron or a bigot.
Labelling everyone in Utah or all LDS people as brainwashed, uninformed, and bigoted is at least as ignorant and bigoted as those you accuse.
For the record, the jury is far from in on whether homosexuality is a choice, in-born, or varies according to the individual.
FWIW, I am LDS living in a Blue State but was educated in Utah and I have done well in my profession and even finished #1 in my Masters' Program here in my new state. So, not everyone from Utah is a poorly educated bigot as you say.
It seems to me that you are the bigot by labelling an entire group of people a certain way. I also wonder how you and those of your type honestly expect to change the minds of people you've just finished insulting.
Labelling everyone in Utah or all LDS people as brainwashed, uninformed, and bigoted is at least as ignorant and bigoted as those you accuse.
For the record, the jury is far from in on whether homosexuality is a choice, in-born, or varies according to the individual.
FWIW, I am LDS living in a Blue State but was educated in Utah and I have done well in my profession and even finished #1 in my Masters' Program here in my new state. So, not everyone from Utah is a poorly educated bigot as you say.
It seems to me that you are the bigot by labelling an entire group of people a certain way. I also wonder how you and those of your type honestly expect to change the minds of people you've just finished insulting.
No Joke: | 6:12 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
Joke said:
The LDS commenters on here who are so sure that homosexuality is a choice, it's completely laughable. You think it's true because, hmmm...you are gay yourself? (in that case, I might believe you) OR your pastor told you so? You read it in a mormon book? you saw it on a mormon tv station? your incorrect idea is certainly not from any intelligent or intellectual training or experience. Those of you who have said so, demonstrate the tragedy of bigotry in its truest form, sadly. And it shows that people in UT seem to be very poorly educated.
Actually, there is no definite proof that a gene for gayness exists. It is all hypotheses. Therefore, until researchers can conclusively prove the existence of the gene, you cannot with any verifiable evidence claim homosexuals are born that way.
The LDS commenters on here who are so sure that homosexuality is a choice, it's completely laughable. You think it's true because, hmmm...you are gay yourself? (in that case, I might believe you) OR your pastor told you so? You read it in a mormon book? you saw it on a mormon tv station? your incorrect idea is certainly not from any intelligent or intellectual training or experience. Those of you who have said so, demonstrate the tragedy of bigotry in its truest form, sadly. And it shows that people in UT seem to be very poorly educated.
Actually, there is no definite proof that a gene for gayness exists. It is all hypotheses. Therefore, until researchers can conclusively prove the existence of the gene, you cannot with any verifiable evidence claim homosexuals are born that way.
Re re Joke | 6:17 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I am glad that there is one educated person commenting on here, so you would
probably agree then that the people I am referring to do not appear to be
educated. I myself AM gay and I am very well aware that it is not a choice in
any way and there is not a single person I have met in the gay community who
feels it is a choice. I would hope then, you might agree that at the very least
it is extremely insulting to be told it is a choice by people who clearly have
no clue and no education regarding this matter AND as I said previously, are
merely parroting what they've heard in their religious circles.
Re re Joke | 6:42 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I cannot answer for you whether it is a choice or not because I am not you. I do
have 3 very good friends who went to counseling because they were sexually
assaulted as teenagers by grown men. They struggled with whether they were gay
or not. I would hate to see the kind of counseling they received outlawed as
their situation seems cleary different from yours.
Gays choose | 8:00 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
I know several gays and lesbians who said that it was a choice to be that way.
You people need to widen your circle of friends and stop telling the big lie
that you don't have a choice.
Constitution | 11:25 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008
The first amendment prohibits the government from establishing a national church
and prohibits the government from interfering in religion. There is no
separation of church and state in the Constitution. Marriage is not just
religious, the government sanctions it and regulates it. Religions and their
people can make their views known just like all Americans. Its called freedom of
speech. Stop attacking the LDS church and take a look at your own lives. When
you have done as much good as the LDS church then you can pop off, but that will
never happen.
to 9:16 am | 12:18 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
You quoted the first amendment, but there is not separation of church and state
in the Constitution. It just stops government from setting up a state church and
interfering in people exercising their religion. Churches and religious people
can influence government policy all they want. At least you were honest that you
want gay marriage taught in school. Totally confused and illogical, but honest
on that point. Marriage is a societal concern, so government regulates it.
Teaching gay marriage in schools is just like advertizing it. More people will
make the wrong choice to be gay especially if it is taught to elementary
students like in Massachusetts. Unfortunately propaganda works, and you want to
brainwash children to take your side. Education is great, but false gay
propaganda is bad for children and society.
History | 12:19 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
The LDS church ended up on the wrong side of the Race as well. One day we will
look back at this as another embarrassing moment in the Church's history.
-even democracy was once a liberal movement-
-even democracy was once a liberal movement-
Facts are facts | 12:29 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
to 3:45pm post:
It is the truth. You may hate the truth, but it doesn't change it. One third of child molestations are same sex done by homosexuals and lesbians. Homosexuals and lesbians are 1-3% of the population. This means that homosexuals and lesbians are many times more likely to child molest than heterosexuals. It doesn't say every gay person is a child molester, but that they are much more likely to commit that crime. This has been reported in the media. Its not to hard to figure out.
It is the truth. You may hate the truth, but it doesn't change it. One third of child molestations are same sex done by homosexuals and lesbians. Homosexuals and lesbians are 1-3% of the population. This means that homosexuals and lesbians are many times more likely to child molest than heterosexuals. It doesn't say every gay person is a child molester, but that they are much more likely to commit that crime. This has been reported in the media. Its not to hard to figure out.
Look it up | 12:35 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
You same sex marriage types really should educate yourselves more on this issue.
There is so much basic stuff you don't know. Many homosexuals and lesbians
were molested by same sex predators as children. This is typically a major
reason why they choose the lifestyle. I feel bad for anybody who is a victim of
this horrible crime, but they weren't born that way.
Supporting groups | 12:41 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
One of the problems with the same sex marriage side is that the people they
support do not have standards of what is right and wrong. At gay pride events
they allow in NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association and refuse to
codemn them. This group has had many of its members convicted of child
molestation. They advocate for legalizing gay sex with young children. These are
the kind of people you support.
to gays | 1:45 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Homosexuality is a behavior--there is nothing biological about it. There is no
homosexual gene. Sorry, there is no third sex; only male and female. You
were born from a man and a woman; your own existence destroys your platform.
Ark. seizes 21 more kids from.. | 11:22 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Evangelicals!!
Look at the story on the Deseret News posted on Nov 18th!! You bigots will learn something about what happens when religion enters this realm.
Look at the story on the Deseret News posted on Nov 18th!! You bigots will learn something about what happens when religion enters this realm.
Amusing | 11:38 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008
It is amusing when LDS members talk about their leaders getting direction from
"the lord"....Are you seriously suggesting that the leaders of your
church are taking their direction from god?? No wonder most Americans think that
mormons are a cult. Is that like when your "prophet" had a
'vision' that blacks should be accepted in your church, coincidentally
about the same time as the church was about to lose its tax-exempt status for
that very reason. That is communicating with god alright, the god of money and
greed. I was interested to read Brigham Young's quote: Shall I tell you the
law of God in regard to the African Race? If the White man who belongs to the
chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of
God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.
I am sure that you all think this was the word of god too, right?
My fellow people of tolerance and wisdom, don't waste your time here, a cult is a cult is a cult.
I am sure that you all think this was the word of god too, right?
My fellow people of tolerance and wisdom, don't waste your time here, a cult is a cult is a cult.
Re: Amusing | 12:21 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Huh?
Where else would a prophet get his direction? Every prophet in the Bible took direction from God, why not now? If God is "the same today, yesterday and tomorrow," why would He not continue to takl to prophets?
Do you also consider the Catholic Church to be a cult? The Baptists? Is any church who disagrees with your stance a cult?
That may be your definition, but certainly not the consensus.
Where else would a prophet get his direction? Every prophet in the Bible took direction from God, why not now? If God is "the same today, yesterday and tomorrow," why would He not continue to takl to prophets?
Do you also consider the Catholic Church to be a cult? The Baptists? Is any church who disagrees with your stance a cult?
That may be your definition, but certainly not the consensus.
Re RE Amusing | 1:47 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
Ill take the bait on that. Everything Amusing said is correct except he should
include all religions in it. In my opinion, religion itself is a far greater
danger than homosexual marriage ever could be. Religion is silly, no matter
what clubhouse of a church you go to. Advocating one over another is senseless.
Can we have some rational thought now? Is it even possible to argue an issue
without including some alice in wonderland religious point of view.
Re: to 9:16 am | 12:18 a.m | 3:54 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
You said: "Unfortunately propaganda works, and you want to brainwash
children to take your side."
Did you baptize your children into your church? Or did you wait until they were 18 and let them make their own choice?? I'd bet you didn't wait.
Your logic is so far fetched and out of touch with reality, it's simply astounding.
Oh, and by the way...It's not a choice to be gay.
Did you baptize your children into your church? Or did you wait until they were 18 and let them make their own choice?? I'd bet you didn't wait.
Your logic is so far fetched and out of touch with reality, it's simply astounding.
Oh, and by the way...It's not a choice to be gay.
peterandrew | 11:07 p.m. Nov. 20, 2008
It's not a choice to be gay. I can tell you that from experience. Unless
you're gay, you don't know. You also don't know what it's
like to be reviled by so many around you, even if you've never acted on
your affections, just because you feel the way you do.
It IS a choice to be a bigot. Or to open your heart.
Don't you know that "the letter kills but the spirit gives life"?
It IS a choice to be a bigot. Or to open your heart.
Don't you know that "the letter kills but the spirit gives life"?
Question | 12:47 a.m. Nov. 21, 2008
Should I believe posters I don't know that tell me that being gay is not a
choice or do I belive friends that said they made the choice to be gay? I think
I will go with my friends on this one. They are gay and said it was a choice to
be that way.
Sheryl Swoops | 12:53 a.m. Nov. 21, 2008
My friend with a gay son said she made the choice to be a lesbian. Sheryl
Swoops, a WNBA player was honest enough to say she made the choice to be a
lesbian. There are thousands of other homosexuals and lesbians who said they
made the choice to be that way also. Why do you gay poster continue to lie about
this lifestyle not being a choice.
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