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Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage
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re: Traditional Guy | 12:28 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Traditional Guy stated at 6:53pm that "The gays at the rally weren't
hateful, mean, ugly. They were more than civil and all smiles for the most part.
The uglier people there were the Christians rallying against them. It was an
honor to be there." I'm not sure which rally you attended, but if you
want to see what happens to a Pro-8 supporter who quietly stands among your
smiling, peaceful protesters why don't you go on to youtube and check out
some of the videos made by people who never mentioned they were for or against
prop 8 but were confronted by protesters. Stop pretending that the GBLT
protesters are holding hands and singing "We Will Overcome". The fact
is that most of these protests involve yelling of obscenities, signs
demoralizing the LDS faith and its leaders and sometimes even violence against
Pro-8 supporters (Check out the protest where grown men grabbed a cardboard
cross from a senior citizen and hit her over the head repeatedly while yelling
at her to "Go away, you don't belong here!". LDS members do not
hate anyone for being gay, and accept people as they are. Get your facts
straight please.
Equality | 12:40 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Name one right a gay or lesbian doesn't have here in CA. Don't say
marriage because they can get married like anybody else can to someone of the
opposite sex. You can't name any can you. This is not a civil rights issue
is it.
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14th amendment | 12:47 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I guess you pro same sex marriage people haven't figured it out yet that
you can get married to someone of the opposite sex which makes us all equal.
I guess also that you gays have completely stayed out of federal courts on this issue because the feeling has been that you will lose on this issue in the supreme court.
You have equality. You can't have special rights because that would make us all unequal.
I guess also that you gays have completely stayed out of federal courts on this issue because the feeling has been that you will lose on this issue in the supreme court.
You have equality. You can't have special rights because that would make us all unequal.
Jokes | 12:57 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I haven't heard any gay jokes at church ever, but since gays make a choice
to be gay and it is their behavior which is bizare, I don't see how a gay
joke would be offensive to anyone with a sense of humor. People should laugh at
themselves. I guess none of you ever listen to comedians. Lighten up about the
jokes. We need to laugh when we are attacked for standing up for traditional
marriage. I can laugh when someone makes fun of me. I think you need to laugh
also because you should know that same sex marriage is a joke.
Motives | 1:00 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
The gay agenda crowd is not going to stop with same sex marriage. Gay pride
organizers allow NAMBLA into their events and do not condemn them.
Victory | 1:04 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Same sex marriage was never supposed to be a right according to our founders. Of
course neither was abortion, but twisted judges who apparently could not read
the Constitution came up with that one also. Our founders never thought any
group of Americans would be so perverted as to want same sex marriage.
Restrictions | 1:07 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Marriage has restrictions. You can't marry your father, mother, sister,
brother, underage child, or someone of the same sex.
CA Voter | 1:14 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Yes on 8 won. We actually believe in the law. On the no on 8 side you have
vulgarity, profanity, vandalism, theft, assault, battery, and hate. You also
have gay groups that accept the North American Man Boy Love Association who have
had many of their members convicted of child molestation. Which side do you
think did the right thing?
Fight for what is right | 1:21 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Homosexuality is a choice. Homosexuals child molest at many times the rate that
heterosexuals do. They pass STDs at a much higher rate also. They have many more
sex partners than straight people do on average. This is not about marriage, but
gays are trying to get us to accept their lifestyle.
Great for missionary work | 1:35 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I would like to thank all the protestors on the losing side of this amendment
for helping the LDS church to increase our membership. You have given us more
free exposure and good people like what they see. I have never heard the church
talked about in such glowing terms on radio and TV before on a national level.
All of your hate is backfiring on you. Keep it up because it is also hurting
your cause. The more people see your tactics, the more they are against same sex
marriage.
Miriam Feldstein Case | 1:41 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Right is right, and wrong is wrong. The glbt may win in this lifetime but not in
the eternal realm.
old broad | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
The churches spent how many millions to fight Prop 8 ?...
Todays headline "50 percent more US children went hungry in 2007"
Feeding the hate monster instead of feeding the poor
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 14:31
Todays headline "50 percent more US children went hungry in 2007"
Feeding the hate monster instead of feeding the poor
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 14:31
Pater | 8:57 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
The Church did not make any donation from its funds. The money donated to Prop 8
was donated by members--Private Donors that are members of the church. The money
came out of their own pocket, not the church's. They had a constitutional
right to do it. The church spends several millions of dollars a year helping out
the poor, not only in the USA, but in many other countries throughout the world.
Many are quick to point fingers, but few really look at the facts--come on.
re Old Broad | 9:03 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
You are one of the first truly spiritual people commenting on this site, thank
you. You are showing all these nasty and hateful people what the real meaning
of honoring God is and you can be sure it is not with the hateful rhetoric that
is posted on here by so many Mormons.
Martha | 9:40 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
The amount of fundraising done by Mormons was well out of proportion to the
electorate and the LDS church is only trying to downplay its influence in the
campaign because of the backlash.
The church was very vocal in my ward here in Sacramento asking for donations and urging the members they needed to "get on the ark." For the church to now downplay its role is truly disingenuous.
The church was very vocal in my ward here in Sacramento asking for donations and urging the members they needed to "get on the ark." For the church to now downplay its role is truly disingenuous.
To: Miriam | 9:44 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
RE: "Right is right, and wrong is wrong. The glbt may win in this lifetime
but not in the eternal realm."
Since we don't believe in your "eternal realm" nonsense, we will take our chances. Keep your bigotry for "eternity" and give us our equal rights in this life now!
Since we don't believe in your "eternal realm" nonsense, we will take our chances. Keep your bigotry for "eternity" and give us our equal rights in this life now!
re Old Broad | 9:54 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
�The churches spent how many millions to fight Prop 8
?...
Todays headline "50 percent more US children went hungry in 2007"
Feeding the hate monster instead of feeding the poor
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 14:31�
Sometimes Donations go to a good cause. The Lord does not condemn it.
�There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
When Jesus understood it he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.�
Matt26:8-11
Todays headline "50 percent more US children went hungry in 2007"
Feeding the hate monster instead of feeding the poor
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 14:31�
Sometimes Donations go to a good cause. The Lord does not condemn it.
�There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
When Jesus understood it he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.�
Matt26:8-11
re Martha | 10:00 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Very true and very concise, articulate description of the church's
involvement and subsequent hypocritical attempt to distance itself. They are
not fooling anyone! Well-said, Martha!
Re the 9:54 a.m. post | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I sure hope you are not comparing Prop 8 with the works of Jesus, he would be
spinning in his grave.
That is blasphemous!
You had better check with your Bishop on that.
That is blasphemous!
You had better check with your Bishop on that.
Karen Phelps | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
The same-sex "marriage" issue isn't really about whether or not
homosexuals should marry. It is about whether people of faith should give up
their freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and parental rights so that
homosexuals can marry.
Attention Ignorant People | 10:40 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Please, please stop saying that gay marriage has anything at all to do with
parental rights...that is NOT true on any level. There may have been some
misinformation about that subject included in the propaganda supported by the
church, but nothing could be further from the truth. Don't drink the
Kool-Aid...
Hmmm? | 11:08 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I've noticed a complete silence from those who support gay marriage, to the
questions asked about giving the same rights to polygamists. I wonder why.
re Hmmmm? 11:08 a.m. | 11:28 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I agree that there is little reason for society to ban plural marriage, if
people (including Mormons) wish to participate in plural marriages then who in
society is really hurt? Nobody. If children are raised properly and lovingly by
their parents, who is hurt? Nobody. So logic follows then that you don't
see any reason to ban gay marriage? Who is hurt by it? Quite literally, nobody.
Makes sense to me.
Marriage for all | 11:47 a.m. Nov. 18, 2008
No one's religious beliefs should be used to deny fundamental rights to
others. Gay marriage is coming to stay whether you like it or not.
John Pack Lambert | 12:24 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
To the 12:05 commentator,
I have lived long enough to realize that if you are trying to see a fault in others you will assume malicious intentions when they make comments that have no such goal.
I have lived long enough to realize that if you are trying to see a fault in others you will assume malicious intentions when they make comments that have no such goal.
John Pack Lambert | 12:31 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
So Martha, now we are going to have quota restrictions on our participation in
the political process?
People need to understand that marriage is central to Latter-day Saint beliefs.
We are not deneying that Latter-day Saints joined with Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Muslims, Jews and others to pass Proposition 8. It does seem every time I turn around a higher percentage of the money donated was given by Latter-day Saints. However neither Focus on the Family nor the Knights of Columbus are Latter-day Saint groups, and both of these donated over one million dollars to the campaign.
I would like to say that Proposition 8 could not have passed without the dedicated help of thousands of Latter-day Saints, but there were people from many other faiths who gave of their time in helping the cause and who faced anger and discrimination for their stand for right.
People need to understand that marriage is central to Latter-day Saint beliefs.
We are not deneying that Latter-day Saints joined with Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Muslims, Jews and others to pass Proposition 8. It does seem every time I turn around a higher percentage of the money donated was given by Latter-day Saints. However neither Focus on the Family nor the Knights of Columbus are Latter-day Saint groups, and both of these donated over one million dollars to the campaign.
I would like to say that Proposition 8 could not have passed without the dedicated help of thousands of Latter-day Saints, but there were people from many other faiths who gave of their time in helping the cause and who faced anger and discrimination for their stand for right.
re J.P. Lambert | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Please understand, sir, that virtually all accounts of the shameful
proposition's passage indicate that it would not have passed without the
significant backing and push of the LDS church. Yes, there is plenty of blame
to go around, but honestly...it is disingenuous to disclaim the ultimate
responsibility and accordingly, that is the reason for the acrimony and
harshness of fair-minded straight people and all the gay people affected. It is
not any different than saying that African-Americans cannot marry, and no
different than saying that Mormons should not be allowed to marry. You have
singled out a particular group for no reason other than to advance your
religious beliefs. You would all be wise to go back and read the history of the
LDS church and recognize the irony in the persecuted becoming the persecutors.
It is as simple as that and you cannot reason your way out of it with quoting
bible or scripture, those are merely the words of men written for the purpose of
acquiring power and controlling masses of people and money.
CA = New Referendum | 1:52 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Reading all of the hateful comments here, I am concerned that Mormons should not
be permitted to teach my children and I think there should be a voter referendum
in CA that prohibits Mormons from holding jobs in education. That would be fair,
right?
Anonymous | 1:54 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I agree with the other person who posted:
It is VERY disturbing to see the UN-christian comments by LDS members.
It is VERY disturbing to see the UN-christian comments by LDS members.
Please explain | 2:05 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
to: re J.P. Lambert | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
you said:
�You would all be wise to go back and read the history of the LDS church and recognize the irony in the persecuted becoming the persecutors. �
Explain how defining marriage to mean a union between one man and one woman is persecution. Now contrast that with being denied the right to vote, going to prison, and having your property confiscated by the government and being driven out of your homes. Then ask yourself has any of this happened to the gays by the hands of the LDS Church. How does defining marriage equate with the LDS forcing their religion on you? On the other hand, gays seek to mold the definition to suit their purposes.
�And wo unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord! And their works are in the dark; and they say: Who seeth us, and who knoweth us? And they also say: Surely, your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay. But behold, I will show unto them, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I know all their works.�
you said:
�You would all be wise to go back and read the history of the LDS church and recognize the irony in the persecuted becoming the persecutors. �
Explain how defining marriage to mean a union between one man and one woman is persecution. Now contrast that with being denied the right to vote, going to prison, and having your property confiscated by the government and being driven out of your homes. Then ask yourself has any of this happened to the gays by the hands of the LDS Church. How does defining marriage equate with the LDS forcing their religion on you? On the other hand, gays seek to mold the definition to suit their purposes.
�And wo unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord! And their works are in the dark; and they say: Who seeth us, and who knoweth us? And they also say: Surely, your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay. But behold, I will show unto them, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I know all their works.�
re Please Explain | 2:20 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
The LDS church is behind a massive effort to deny basic equality and the right
of marriage to the gay community. If that ain't persecution, honey, I
don't know what is. You can all cloak yourselves in the flimsy idea that
you are exercising freedom of religion, but nobody is fooled. You can quote
scripture as well, but your support of the proposition and your comments here
are unchristian.
to spinning in his grave comment | 2:56 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Apparently you don't realize Jesus is not in His grave.
John Pack Lambert | 2:56 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Proposition 8 defined marriage as between a man and a woman. This is how God
defines marriage. I feel no shame in following the directions of our loving
Hevenly Father who knows and understands all.
Attention ignorant person | 2:58 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
It most certainly is about losing parental rights. Why don't you do a
little research about parental rights in MA where homosexual marriage is now
legal. It isn't hard to find. The truth is out there, now go find it
before your ignorance is even more obvious.
Anonymous | 4:13 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
expat gleefully talks of all the things homosexuals have survived and claims
they will continue to do so. Too bad he can't talk to just one homosexual
who survived the destruction of Soddam and Gomorrah. Oh wait, there
weren't any.
On Domestic Partnership | 4:23 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Prop 8 was not about accepting a domestic partnership registered California
validated in Utah. The fight was about the word "marriage." While
marriage is typically accepted from one state to another, such is not required.
A pastor took a couple across the state lines to marry a couple. When they
returned the pastor was arrested for performing a marriage with a minor with
intent to return to a state in which such was illegal.
Should domestic partnership be federal? Absolutely, but so long as the battle remains the word "marriage" over civil union/civil partnership/domestic partnership heels are going to be dug in for a fight.
What is most unfortunate is ACT 1 in Arkansas in which unmarried couples are no longer able to foster or adopt when there is a shortage of available parents prior to the vote. Children must now remain in institutions over homes with "Arkansas Families First" throwing kids under the bus because marriage is so sacred and wonderful that they cannot have a home deemed imperfect by religious standards but more than acceptable by social services, physicians, psychologist and other association standards. You sacrificed children for the sanctity of 1 man and 1 woman. SICK
Should domestic partnership be federal? Absolutely, but so long as the battle remains the word "marriage" over civil union/civil partnership/domestic partnership heels are going to be dug in for a fight.
What is most unfortunate is ACT 1 in Arkansas in which unmarried couples are no longer able to foster or adopt when there is a shortage of available parents prior to the vote. Children must now remain in institutions over homes with "Arkansas Families First" throwing kids under the bus because marriage is so sacred and wonderful that they cannot have a home deemed imperfect by religious standards but more than acceptable by social services, physicians, psychologist and other association standards. You sacrificed children for the sanctity of 1 man and 1 woman. SICK
Sraight But Not Narrow | 4:32 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I want to start by saying that I am a straight married women, age 41. I am in
complete support of my fellow American's having the exact same rights as
myself. It shouldn't make a difference who you are in love with. With all
the fear and hate in the world, we as a nation should rejoice that more people
want to commit to each other. There is suppose to be a seperation of Church and
State!!! If you are a religious organization you have every right to say that
you will not perform these ceromonies but as a nation we have to give all
Americans equal rights, it is the fair and right thing to do. The gay community
are tax paying citizens like the rest of us and deserve every right and
opportunity we have. Please don't let your fears and judgement cloud your
heart and what is the right thing to support. I look forward to the day I
attend my first nationally legal gay marriage. For a country that is so
progessive we sure missed the boat on this one. PEACE TO ALL
Sick and tired | 4:55 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Why don't they stop putting all the blame on the LDS church? They
weren't the only ones for prop. 8. If you are going to protest against the
LDS church for taking a stand then you should go after all the other religions
that were for prop. 8 and took a stand for their beliefs.
Anonymous | 5:11 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
thank goodness that homosexuals are no longer allowed to adopt in Arkansas. I
hope other states join the bandwagon and protect the rights of innocent children
who deserve to have a Mother and a Father rather than be raised in a home where
sexual pervsion is the norm.
cactus_boy | 5:13 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Re: rvalens2 @ 12:21 a.m.
Just a minute there. It isn't so simple and straightforward (in your favor) as you claim.
It could also be argued that a union between two people of the same sex isn't really marriage at all, by what has been the traditionally accepted meaning of the word. Also, gays CAN get married the same as anybody else, as long as they abide the existing laws (i.e., to a human being, of the opposite sex, who isn't already married to someone else, who isn't an immediate family member, who isn't a first cousin (in about half the states), who is of the age of consent, etc., etc.) These are the same laws that everyone has to follow, therefore there is no unequal treatment.
Just a minute there. It isn't so simple and straightforward (in your favor) as you claim.
It could also be argued that a union between two people of the same sex isn't really marriage at all, by what has been the traditionally accepted meaning of the word. Also, gays CAN get married the same as anybody else, as long as they abide the existing laws (i.e., to a human being, of the opposite sex, who isn't already married to someone else, who isn't an immediate family member, who isn't a first cousin (in about half the states), who is of the age of consent, etc., etc.) These are the same laws that everyone has to follow, therefore there is no unequal treatment.
UnChristian | 5:54 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
Mormons posting arguments on here is very Christian. Homosexuality is very
unChristian. Christ threw the money changers out of the temple. Just think what
he would have done to a bunch of homosexuals having sex with each other in the
temple. Oh yeah I guess he did send down the hell fire to destroy Sodom and
Gomorrah because of all the wicked homosexuals. Learn about Christ and the LDS
church before you pop off next time. You guys and your ignorance and hate is
overwhelming. You are helping our missionary effort though. I guess you
antimormons didn't think about that either.
the truth | 6:01 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
A week or so before the election, homosexuals sponsored ally week in California.
KINDERGARTNERS were given a pledge to sign. Parents were upset and took their
kids out of school. The teacher sent home a newsletter saying coming out day was
a day to be remembered. She has pictures of same sex couples displayed in her
classroom. The TV reporter tried several times to get the state superintendent
of schools to answer to question about homosexuality being taught in the schools
to young kids. He wouldn't answer even though pressed several times. This
was the same man appearing in the no on 8 ads claiming it wouldn't be
taught in schools. Google kindergarten, gay pledge, Hayward California and you
can find it and even see the news report from the bay area cbs tv station-kpix.
yet another comment | 6:26 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I just wanted to help this commentary reach the 500 mark.
Don't worry same-sex marriage supporters. We Mormons have always believed that the constitution would eventually hang on a thread. Your extreme logic will surely be the road to take it there. Any sane person can see that the government has no business whatsoever stamping its approval on homosexual behavior. But keep up the good work. Maybe the government will officially approval of every form of sin and you can have the world you dream of. I'm just hoping I'm not around to see it.
Don't worry same-sex marriage supporters. We Mormons have always believed that the constitution would eventually hang on a thread. Your extreme logic will surely be the road to take it there. Any sane person can see that the government has no business whatsoever stamping its approval on homosexual behavior. But keep up the good work. Maybe the government will officially approval of every form of sin and you can have the world you dream of. I'm just hoping I'm not around to see it.
Anonymous | 6:29 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I find it very comforting to know that as evil is certainly increasing in the
world, so it goodness. We've witnessed that in recent days. The righteous
will band together to fight evil. The two will become more and more polarized,
but thankful to know that good will always ultimately win. It's not who
wins the battle but who wins the war. Homosexuals may someday get their way,
but it will not last-guaranteed.
Says who? | 7:04 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
When did we become a "progressive" Country? I didn't hear of a
vote. I thought we were a God fearing country, which is it. Lets vote on that.
Learn what "seperation of church and state" really is.
This whole flap is about morals, not marriage! The reason so many people won't let this issue die is because of the moral issue. The question was asked before, IS HOMOSEXUALITY RRIGHT OR WRONG?
This whole flap is about morals, not marriage! The reason so many people won't let this issue die is because of the moral issue. The question was asked before, IS HOMOSEXUALITY RRIGHT OR WRONG?
Now be Nice | 7:41 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
aren't you guys suppose to march too! Back to Missouri?, you better
remember how pitiful and misunderstood you were back when as some of these
comments are leading to your prophresy of being the most hated..so just show
peace while you can!!
Marriage continued | 8:52 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
And let me guess,
your next argument is "homosexuality is immoral, the parts don't fit, Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve, we listen to a higher voice, yada, yada, yada..."
When are you people going to have a solid argument about running a clean campaign?
If you are so about morality, as you claim you are... why is the campaign so much filled with --- yeesh --- these are religious people?
I think Nathaniel Hawthorne had something to say about that --- he called it hypocrisy.
And Arthur Miller too --- blaming others, finding a scapegoat when things don't go right --- find a scapegoat, yep, the gays are to blame --- if society comes crumbling down.
your next argument is "homosexuality is immoral, the parts don't fit, Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve, we listen to a higher voice, yada, yada, yada..."
When are you people going to have a solid argument about running a clean campaign?
If you are so about morality, as you claim you are... why is the campaign so much filled with --- yeesh --- these are religious people?
I think Nathaniel Hawthorne had something to say about that --- he called it hypocrisy.
And Arthur Miller too --- blaming others, finding a scapegoat when things don't go right --- find a scapegoat, yep, the gays are to blame --- if society comes crumbling down.
Mccleod | 8:56 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
I think it's hilarious when some guy downtown with a "Stop the
H8" sign, yells in your face and then tries to punch you. Heheh.
Really pretty hard to be scared of them though.
Really pretty hard to be scared of them though.
About public relations | 8:58 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008
You guys are kidding when you say that the gays are making the LDS Church look
good, right?
It's a joke, right?
Or do you have your PR people posting comments left and right to deny everything.
Next thing I will be seeing are charts and graphs to show PR's campaign showing the Church's PR going through the roof.
For the record ---
* 47% of California people voted against Prop. 8 How do you think they view the LDS Church right now?
* You just made 18,000 gay couples question the validity of their own marriages. Do you foresee any of them ever thinking twice about receiving LDS indoctrination into their home?
* Marches and public shows of protest are being done across the country, mind you, not just California and Utah --- across the country --- How do you think some of them feel about the LDS involvement in the campaign --- and, please, spare me that 'The LDS Church was not directly involved.' Plwlease.
It's a joke, right?
Or do you have your PR people posting comments left and right to deny everything.
Next thing I will be seeing are charts and graphs to show PR's campaign showing the Church's PR going through the roof.
For the record ---
* 47% of California people voted against Prop. 8 How do you think they view the LDS Church right now?
* You just made 18,000 gay couples question the validity of their own marriages. Do you foresee any of them ever thinking twice about receiving LDS indoctrination into their home?
* Marches and public shows of protest are being done across the country, mind you, not just California and Utah --- across the country --- How do you think some of them feel about the LDS involvement in the campaign --- and, please, spare me that 'The LDS Church was not directly involved.' Plwlease.
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Gay marriage is coming to Utah.
The Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution guarantees it.
...;nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; NOR DENY TO ANY PERSON WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS.
(emphasis added)
14th Amendment to the Constitution, Section 1.
What does this mean? It means that laws that apply to any one of us must apply to all.
The argument is straightforward and simple.
Marriage is not defined in the U.S. Constitution as being between a man and a woman; until it is, the law is clear. Gay marriages must be allowed. To do otherwise is UNEQUAL treatment under the laws of the land.
Proposition 8 will be overturned, if not by the Courts in California then by the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C.