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georgia | 9:30 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by
raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people
"find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are
impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools,
universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in
Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior
citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they
are, the more political power on society they can affect.
JS | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may
defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till
it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and
sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the
Great Jehovah shall say the work is done
To Fearful or Angry Mormons: | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Remember Whose battle this is and by Whose principles we have agreed to
fight.
"And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another . . . [and] the time cometh speedily that Satan shall have no more power over the hearts of the children of men . . ." Read the whole thing in 1 Nephi 22.
See also 3 Nephi 20, particularly the phrase: "And behold, I am he who doeth it."
We we only jeopardize what we care most about by accusing without evidence, getting fed up, or using the enemy's tactics in any way, and they are many. Some gays hate the Church, some don't. Some evangelicals hate it, some don't. Some politicians and their followers hate it, some don't. Let's focus not on people or groups but on actions-- especially our own. Support the good not only in precept (thanks, Prop8 supporters) but in manner, tone and conduct. Then the victory will be Lord's victory, by His rules and in His due time. It may include many whom we thought it might not. Let's behave in such a way that it will include us.
"And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another . . . [and] the time cometh speedily that Satan shall have no more power over the hearts of the children of men . . ." Read the whole thing in 1 Nephi 22.
See also 3 Nephi 20, particularly the phrase: "And behold, I am he who doeth it."
We we only jeopardize what we care most about by accusing without evidence, getting fed up, or using the enemy's tactics in any way, and they are many. Some gays hate the Church, some don't. Some evangelicals hate it, some don't. Some politicians and their followers hate it, some don't. Let's focus not on people or groups but on actions-- especially our own. Support the good not only in precept (thanks, Prop8 supporters) but in manner, tone and conduct. Then the victory will be Lord's victory, by His rules and in His due time. It may include many whom we thought it might not. Let's behave in such a way that it will include us.
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To goodvsevil: | 8:53 a.m. Nov. | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Since when are traditional values extreme?? Traditional values are the anchor of
society. It's the world's values that are extreme and they change with
the wind.
Hmmmm | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I agree with 'ohmygoodness'. We don't need terrorists or toher
countries. we're going to destroy ourselves & our neighbors with all
the hate. Can't we just all get along? What happened to love thy
neighbor? Black, white, gay, straight, catholic, mormon? There is too much
hate in the world
Chris Plummer RE: THE AUTHORITY | 9:46 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
you are falling into the trap of making blanket statements about 10s of
1000's of people by the actions of a few.
You shouldn't judge a group of people by the actions a few bad apples.
I won't judge Mormons by the comments I read on the Deseret News forums, because if I did I would be a real hater. I judge people as individuals and by their individual actions.
You shouldn't judge a group of people by the actions a few bad apples.
I won't judge Mormons by the comments I read on the Deseret News forums, because if I did I would be a real hater. I judge people as individuals and by their individual actions.
Crazy | 9:47 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I wonder what type of protest would happen if you took peoples guns away. If you
take a right away they people protest. Yes the CA constitution before prop 8
gave them the right so yes their right was taken away. Whether right or wrong,
you supported the taking away of rights. Plain and simple.
As for respecting traditional marriage--70% end in divorce. Nobody respects marriage. I guess polygamy was respecting marriage as well. Why don't we spend time and money on preventing divorce. Such hypocritics.
As for respecting traditional marriage--70% end in divorce. Nobody respects marriage. I guess polygamy was respecting marriage as well. Why don't we spend time and money on preventing divorce. Such hypocritics.
Confused. | 9:55 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Isn't saying Gay Lesbian, as in GLBT, redundant? Maybe I need clarification
on these acronyms.
Wendy | 9:57 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The best thing we can do is continue to live our lives in a productive, happy,
law-abiding way as we have, regardless of the angry voices that condemn us. Let
us be loving and courteous to all, remembering we are God's children. Some
may hate us, but at the top of the list of all beatitudes is found:
"Blessed are the peacemakers." I hope all who live as LDS can be
termed as peacemakers.
Right | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I am not surprised at this news. And I would not be surprised if the president
of the LDS church has gotten many death threats over this. What these people do
is hateful and I have the freedom of speech (at least for now) to say so.
Political correctness (which is on the side of Prop8 protestors) can't
silence me. I'm sure that calling what they do as hateful will not silence
them. They are tenacious with a capital "T" and they won't rest
until the ACLU helps them get their way.
To Utah Cougar | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I agree with you 100 percent! Only good can come from this, just have to have
faith!
re: Richard Adams | 9:22 a.m. | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Boycotting and picketing are one thing, but when you said "the LDS has
brought this upon themselves" you weren't seriously condoning illegal
hacking and vandalism, were you?
Common Sense | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Equating Gay rights to the civil rights movement and using Rosa Parks as an
example is not only a giant stretch but is insulting to the black community and
the injustices they faced.
In no way, shape, or form can any gay man or woman say they are discriminated against in any way that can be comparable. In fact the vast majority of Americans want to accommidate gays as much as possible. However, with anyone and anything, the line has to be drawn somewhere. There has to be boundaries, that is a key component to any successful society. Marriage, as a government endorsed institution, is seen as bettering society in that it promotes societies healthy growth. If there were no benefits to society there would be no reason to endorse it or to set guidelines for it.
No civil right is being violated with the passing of prop 8. Any person can get married in California (that is their equal right), but only under the provided definition of marriage. I'm sorry that it doesn't work out for their chosen lifestyle.
In no way, shape, or form can any gay man or woman say they are discriminated against in any way that can be comparable. In fact the vast majority of Americans want to accommidate gays as much as possible. However, with anyone and anything, the line has to be drawn somewhere. There has to be boundaries, that is a key component to any successful society. Marriage, as a government endorsed institution, is seen as bettering society in that it promotes societies healthy growth. If there were no benefits to society there would be no reason to endorse it or to set guidelines for it.
No civil right is being violated with the passing of prop 8. Any person can get married in California (that is their equal right), but only under the provided definition of marriage. I'm sorry that it doesn't work out for their chosen lifestyle.
Anonymous | 10:15 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The gay community wants support, so what do they do? Put up gay porn. What a way
to win supporters!
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DOTF | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Practice What GOD Preaches wrote: "What part of Leviticus 18:22 don't
you understand?! And after reading that try Lev. 20:30, or maybe Gen. 19:1-11,
or why not Rom 1:27, and possibly Jude 1:7 too. ANY church that performs or
approves same-sex marriage CLEARLY hasn't read their Bible."
Lev. 20:30 should be Lev. 20:13 and thank you for the references. They are very clear and plain. I think more GL supporters should read them and understand that this lifestyle is not acceptable to God and is not appropriate for a Christian to support or live. Any Christian church that performs same-sex marriages and/or supports this lifestyle isn't Christian. Again, thanks.
Lev. 20:30 should be Lev. 20:13 and thank you for the references. They are very clear and plain. I think more GL supporters should read them and understand that this lifestyle is not acceptable to God and is not appropriate for a Christian to support or live. Any Christian church that performs same-sex marriages and/or supports this lifestyle isn't Christian. Again, thanks.
nobody important | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
good for you Richard, let me know how that works out for you.
re: Richard Adams | 10:30 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Hey no skin off my nose. I've always boycotted all the gay establishments
my entire life. But I know your little boycott won't last forever.
There's no way you'll be able to hold out for long when you start
craving those Burger King Triple Whoppers with cheese or a Double Croissonwich
(a favorite of the gay community). You know you want one. You're getting
weaker...weaker...cravings...too strong...can't...hold out...much
longer.......
Matt | 10:34 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Why do gays seem to oppose the democratic process? Prop 8 was submitted before
the California public and the majority voted FOR it, so it passed into law. This
is how it works. Why picket and target the LDS church when it was the majority
of CALIFORNIANS who voted for it? This is how democracy works, the majority
decides and in this case they did.
Hang on tight! | 10:34 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
It's going to be a bumpy road from here to eternity!
washcomom | 10:35 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Hang on tight! It's going to be a bumpy road from here to Eternity!
RE: Crazy | 10:37 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Well, Crazy, since according to you "Nobody respects marriage" why
does anyone care what the definition of marriage is?
Do your research and you will see that, at least the LDS Church, spends significant time and money on trying to prevent divorce.
In the future you may want to think about educating yourself on the issues before boldly diving into a forum with faulty arguments that lead to false conclusions.
Do your research and you will see that, at least the LDS Church, spends significant time and money on trying to prevent divorce.
In the future you may want to think about educating yourself on the issues before boldly diving into a forum with faulty arguments that lead to false conclusions.
Not alone... | 10:41 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
ALL religious websites, no matter what their denomination or the message they
have, receive hate email. (You should read some of things written by so called
"Christians" and sent to ReligiousTolerance - which is a Christian
site.)
Posting pornographic materials, however, totally uncalled for. (May I suggest a better security system?)
Posting pornographic materials, however, totally uncalled for. (May I suggest a better security system?)
@ jessicasmith | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Umm - "gay bashing" does not mean what you use it to mean.
"Gay bashing" means attacking - verbally, physically, spiritually, etc. - gays.
What you are talking about is either "bashing by gays" or "Mormon bashing."
None of the above should be acceptable.
"Gay bashing" means attacking - verbally, physically, spiritually, etc. - gays.
What you are talking about is either "bashing by gays" or "Mormon bashing."
None of the above should be acceptable.
@ Confused 9:55 | 10:49 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
"Gay" can refer to either a man who likes men or a woman who likes
women. It is often distinguished by using the term "gay man."
"Lesbian" refers only to a woman who likes women. When the two terms
are used together - as in Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender - "Gay"
is taken to refer to men and "Lesbian" is taken to refer to women. If
the term "Gay" is used by itself, it is meant to refer to both men and
women.
Hope this clarifies things a little.
Hope this clarifies things a little.
Stop the insansity | 10:49 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
If you were against Prop 8, please ask your fellow supporters to stop these
activities and abide by the law.
ImJudgemental | 10:52 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Lionheart | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
If I were a member of the LDS church, I would be proud to be the object of scorn from the homosexual community. Onward Christian Soldiers.
Very funny Lionheart. That's what I think. I'm proud to be the object of scorn on this unhappy community or eco-terrorists and moral bigots.
Listen, if I viewed child porn and thought it acceptable, I can put into the minds of others that it's okay until 10 years down the road some judge declares child pornography as acceptable. It's not that different folks, we need to love those who've made wrong choices, but we don't teach our children that they SHOULD make those choices.
If I were a member of the LDS church, I would be proud to be the object of scorn from the homosexual community. Onward Christian Soldiers.
Very funny Lionheart. That's what I think. I'm proud to be the object of scorn on this unhappy community or eco-terrorists and moral bigots.
Listen, if I viewed child porn and thought it acceptable, I can put into the minds of others that it's okay until 10 years down the road some judge declares child pornography as acceptable. It's not that different folks, we need to love those who've made wrong choices, but we don't teach our children that they SHOULD make those choices.
Nellie | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I just hope that we in the LDS community can reach and maintain a high road
rather than do the easy thing and return eye for eye and bash for bash.
Fruits | 11:20 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
By their fruits ye shall know them....
Not Concerned | 11:33 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Seriously? Does the gay community really think they can do anything to the
Mormons that hasn't already been done over the past 150 years? It's
almost like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum because they have to go to bed. So,
get all your 3-year old friends together and take all the reason and logic out
of your argument and just make it about hate and anger. Why do you feel this
way? Because you are acting in contrary to laws that have governed the universe
since it's creation. So, to the 3-6% of you who think your temper tantrum
has even been given an afterthought you are wrong. I now look upon your position
with even less credibility than before. So, good luck with the hate and anger,
I'll stay posted. And in 2 months when the only press your getting is a
Jay Leno joke remember you could actually be making a difference in society.
Become a gym teacher, design some clothes, decorate a room, host a talk show.
Just try and contribute to the human race, and make sure if you do a parade to
pick up after yourselves.
Victor Randazzo | 11:48 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
WHAT is the F.B.I DOING about all the HATE towards our members.
Anonymous | 11:56 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Would someone please reference the part of the Constitution that guarantees
someone the right to marry whomever they wish? I didn't learn about that
one in school, but somehow Anonymous thinks that someone's rights and
equality are being stomped on.
This is a democracy and it has spoken. It may change, but for now the voice of the people (they are the ones who voted after all) has been heard.
This is a democracy and it has spoken. It may change, but for now the voice of the people (they are the ones who voted after all) has been heard.
NigelUk | 12:08 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I am very sorry that people would attack in such crude ways. That said, actions
have consequences and going to war over the simple of right to marry and honor a
relation between two people is going to have a response. The LDS church spent
millions of dollars and campaigned actively to pass prop 8. It did everything
it could influence the vote. It must not surprised by the response.
Meridian is a very right wing, Mormon site. It has every right to be what it is, but it too must not be surprised when people strongly disagree with it.
Mormons are always surprised when they are not viewed as benvolent, kind, upstanding folk.
It will take years to repair the view that the LDS church is bigoted and discriminating. This is the same thing we saw in the 60's and much of the rhetoric on both sides resembles the fight against denying the priesthood to black men.
Both sides need to pray for each other.
Meridian is a very right wing, Mormon site. It has every right to be what it is, but it too must not be surprised when people strongly disagree with it.
Mormons are always surprised when they are not viewed as benvolent, kind, upstanding folk.
It will take years to repair the view that the LDS church is bigoted and discriminating. This is the same thing we saw in the 60's and much of the rhetoric on both sides resembles the fight against denying the priesthood to black men.
Both sides need to pray for each other.
Elaine W | 12:10 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Are you aware that tomorrow is National God Out Day. Prop. 8 is now being used
by athests and others as another reason to beat up on Christians. Because we
voiced our opinion and exercised our rights as citizens. Because we objected to
the Government sticking its nose into what is basically Church business. With
judges making law from the bench, we have lost the will of the people. Here in
California we had 4 judges make law from the bench based on nothing. Prop. 8
was the People of California stating their will again. There is no base for the
judges to over turn Prop. 22. The passage of Prop. 8 is a statement of the
People's Will. The passage of Prop. 8 is protection for Churchs who do not
want to preform same sex marriages. If Prop. 8 had failed anyone who
doesn't want to do business with a gay couple would be forced to. People
all over the U.S. are being forced to act against their beliefs. We as
Christians are losing our rights of association.
Anon | 12:13 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Filth is going to make Christians 'bend the rules' for people acting
hatefully and sinfully - Now I get it!
Simple Honesty | 12:41 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
It's unfortunate that the horrible behavior of a few people (on both sides
of this issue) is being portrayed as the "entire" group. There are
MANY people who believe that you can feel strongly about an issue and have the
constitutional right to express those believes without disrespecting another.
People should remember that the horrible behavior of a small handful of people,
does not necessarily reflect the entire group.
GAY leaders | 12:51 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
If these acts were supported or condoned by the fringe extreme portion of the
gay community, then where are the reasonable/regular gay community leaders
calling out such hateful religiosly bigotry and calling for a return to
civility. Take it to the courts. Speak out but also speak out against hate
crime. Religious bigotry is the new racism in this country....
Conservatives vote but extreme liberals picket, vandalize, terrorize and put bumper stickers on their cars...Where is all the picketing in the almost 40 states that have a similar item in their state laws which recognize marriage as an institution between a man and a woman? Day by day the cause of homosexuality loses credibility and advocates with its inability to speak out against true hate and not the "perceived hate" that they claim because the majority pass a law.
I actually love gay people but they can't redefine the dictionary. A horse is a horse no matter how much you want it to be a cow.
Conservatives vote but extreme liberals picket, vandalize, terrorize and put bumper stickers on their cars...Where is all the picketing in the almost 40 states that have a similar item in their state laws which recognize marriage as an institution between a man and a woman? Day by day the cause of homosexuality loses credibility and advocates with its inability to speak out against true hate and not the "perceived hate" that they claim because the majority pass a law.
I actually love gay people but they can't redefine the dictionary. A horse is a horse no matter how much you want it to be a cow.
Adam | 12:51 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
President Hinkley said at one of his last general conferences that persecution
"WILL INCREASE". A prophet of God has spoken it and it is coming to
pass. I'm afraid this is just the beginning. Persecution in time, may
match or likely surpass what the pioneers suffered.
realitycheck | 12:53 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
what do you people expect when you butt into peoples lives and push your
rediculous religious agenda on others? perhaps if you would stop forcing your
beliefs on the rest of the population then you wouldn't have these
problems.
And Elaine W 12:10pm - Prop 8 wasn't the People of California stating their will. It was the result of the mormon church sticking it's nose into everyone else's business. If you people hadn't spent $20Mil on bogus ads full of untruths the prop would never have passed. I thought lying was against your religion, but I guess you all get to pick and choose. Sounds like you are all FLDS....
By the way - I'm not gay - but when my neighbor, an inter-racial couple that couldn't have married 50 yrs ago, has a sign in their yard for yes on 8 - then there is too much religion and not enough consideration of the rights of others. I'm still suprised that people of color, who's rights were denied for centuries, would vote based on their religion rather than their experience.
And Elaine W 12:10pm - Prop 8 wasn't the People of California stating their will. It was the result of the mormon church sticking it's nose into everyone else's business. If you people hadn't spent $20Mil on bogus ads full of untruths the prop would never have passed. I thought lying was against your religion, but I guess you all get to pick and choose. Sounds like you are all FLDS....
By the way - I'm not gay - but when my neighbor, an inter-racial couple that couldn't have married 50 yrs ago, has a sign in their yard for yes on 8 - then there is too much religion and not enough consideration of the rights of others. I'm still suprised that people of color, who's rights were denied for centuries, would vote based on their religion rather than their experience.
Read Georgia's Comment | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
At 9:30 am Georgia wrote:
The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people "find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools, universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they are, the more political power on society they can affect.
_________________________________________________
She is absolutely right! The #! contributor to the No on 8 campaign was the California Teachers Association! They want to push gay and lesbian agenda. Poor children, they are the casualties in this battle.
The LDS church is right to defend the interest of the children.
The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people "find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools, universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they are, the more political power on society they can affect.
_________________________________________________
She is absolutely right! The #! contributor to the No on 8 campaign was the California Teachers Association! They want to push gay and lesbian agenda. Poor children, they are the casualties in this battle.
The LDS church is right to defend the interest of the children.
RE: NigelUK | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Lets clarify as this has been a myth that has been propagated by the anti-prop 8
crowd. The LDS Church spent exactly 0 dollars of the churches money on anything
related to the passage prop 8.
People who happen to be members of the LDS Church donated time and money to the cause of campaigning for, and the passing of Prop 8. So did Catholics, Jews, blacks, Hispanic, etc, etc.
People who happen to be members of the LDS Church donated time and money to the cause of campaigning for, and the passing of Prop 8. So did Catholics, Jews, blacks, Hispanic, etc, etc.
SLC Citizen | 1:08 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Just prior to the Election, the No on 8's website was also hacked and went
down for some time. Both sides are guilty, and Meridian Magazine has printed
some pretty anti-gay stuff over the years, so they are not completely above the
fray either.
re 1pm poster to Nigel | 1:31 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
you just lied. i'm curious -how does it feel when a person full of
religion lies?
millions of "church" dollars were spent to pass prop 8. it may not have directly flown through the church, but your leadership told all mormons to donate - so it's the same thing.
you can twist it if you feel better, but it's still a lie. hope you're proud of yourself.
millions of "church" dollars were spent to pass prop 8. it may not have directly flown through the church, but your leadership told all mormons to donate - so it's the same thing.
you can twist it if you feel better, but it's still a lie. hope you're proud of yourself.
To Realitycheck (part 2) | 1:45 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The Gay community obviously doesn't have the same moral system and they do
not see their lives or the education of children about gay sex as immoral. They
view the right to marry as a civil right and many have the very narrow-minded
perspective that redefining marriage will not damage our society or infringe on
the rights of others. They do not see that already citizens are being legally
forced to condone homosexuality and there is a clash between religious and civil
liberties. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and parental rights are all
on the line here.
I would hope that you could look at both sides of the issue.
I would hope that you could look at both sides of the issue.
Oregonian | 1:58 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I will eat at Outback Steakhouse for dinner.
Thanks for your suggestion!
Thanks for your suggestion!
Craig | 2:16 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The ninth ammendment to the US Constitution states,"The enumeration in the
Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage
others retained by the people." Rights not specifically mentioned in the
Constitution which are still retained by the people are referred to as
unenumerated. One question seems to be is the right to marry whomever you want,
including someone of the same sex, one of these unenumerated rights. The second
question is does the state have to recognize every marriage that is performed
just because the pariticipants say it is a marriage. I believe the answer to
the first question is yes and the answer to the second is no. In other words
you have the right to participate in whatever ceremony you chose to create a
civil or spiritual contract between you, your partner and whatever God you
worship, but you do not have the right to force the state (i.e. the people) to
recognize that ceremony as a legitimate marriage.
porky | 2:44 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
the next time some disaster happens and Mormons hand out food, water, blankets,
hygiene & sanitation kits, or volunteer personal time to clean up damaged
homes and cities do you think they ask a persons sexual orientation before
providing those things? NO!
if, due to a disaster, a homosexual found themselves in need of food, water, blankets, hygiene & sanitation kits or needing help to clean up damaged hones and cities do you think they'll refuse that aid because it came from Mormons? Hmmmm, that will be interesting to see.
if, due to a disaster, a homosexual found themselves in need of food, water, blankets, hygiene & sanitation kits or needing help to clean up damaged hones and cities do you think they'll refuse that aid because it came from Mormons? Hmmmm, that will be interesting to see.
Wrong... | 2:55 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
@ Susie Q:
The difference in picketing is the "when" factor. Do you see John McCain on the street corner holding a McCain-Palin sign still? How bout any commercials? The difference is are you doing it before or after the election?
Hold your signs, get excited and voice your opinion on Nov. 4th, after that, live with the results and fight the next time it comes up again...
The difference in picketing is the "when" factor. Do you see John McCain on the street corner holding a McCain-Palin sign still? How bout any commercials? The difference is are you doing it before or after the election?
Hold your signs, get excited and voice your opinion on Nov. 4th, after that, live with the results and fight the next time it comes up again...
A Right? | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
If you have to get a license for it, then it is not a right. If you have to get
a license for it, then the government has asserted the power to regulate.
Marriage is not a right. It is regulated. The Edmunds-Tucker act, as upheld by
the US Supreme Court, affirms that the government may determine which types of
marriages are acceptable. This issue was over in the late 1800s folks.
RE: jessicasmith | 3:18 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I couldn't agree with you more. I am not saying it is the LGBT community
doing it, but who else is it, it is either the community or people who believe
in same-sex marriage and disagree with Prop. 8. I just think it is too bad that
all this has to happen. Whether Mormon, Catholic, or whatever religion, we have
the right to push for something we believe in and we did, we won fair and
square, we won the votes, so therefore there is no more to be discussed or
protested over.
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