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Ellen | 3:20 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
It's interesting that people of other races are never racist, right? only
white people. It's interesting that hate crimes are only committed by
white, straight people, and that anyone else could never be the instigator of a
hate crime. wow, when did we give up all of our rights??? who is it that haas
painted us into a corner!!
re craig | 3:35 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
well said.
unfortunately, the issue isn't "marriage". The issue is having the same rights as other couples. I've heard it said that civil unions provide the same rights to a couple as marriage does. That's totally untrue. If it were true, none of this would be an issue. Marriage is just a word, just like civil union is just a word. Gays could care less what you call it, as long as they are treated just like any other "joined" couple.
btw - I'm not gay.
unfortunately, the issue isn't "marriage". The issue is having the same rights as other couples. I've heard it said that civil unions provide the same rights to a couple as marriage does. That's totally untrue. If it were true, none of this would be an issue. Marriage is just a word, just like civil union is just a word. Gays could care less what you call it, as long as they are treated just like any other "joined" couple.
btw - I'm not gay.
Ernie | 3:42 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Seems to me those protesting the LDS Church for spending money to support Prop 8
are hypocrites. Obama out spent McCain by one of the largest (if not THE
largest margin) margins in campaign history. I wanted McCain so now should I
seek revenge on the people and organizations that supported Obama? The very
people who are complaing that Mormons bought Prop 8 bought the Presidential
election for Obama. When will we wake up and start treating each other with
respect. You leave our 6000 year old definition alone, and we will not complain
that unatural acts are being performed in the privacy of your own bedrooms. We
all have an axe to grind. Lets move on.
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re: realitycheck | 3:58 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
It sounds like you are saying religious people do not have the right to vote. If
it is just about the fund raising, the no on prop-8 side raised a lot more
money. If it is about church's not involving themselves in moral issues
without fear of losing tax-exempt status, then the churches who came out against
prop-8 must also lose theirs.
Religious people have a right to vote and to be a part of the campaigning process. Many Mormons were against prop-8 and there was no backlash whatsoever. Being encouraged to help is different than force.
Religious people have a right to vote and to be a part of the campaigning process. Many Mormons were against prop-8 and there was no backlash whatsoever. Being encouraged to help is different than force.
hahahahahaha... | 4:09 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Why are you, Mormons, so intolerant? Intolerant? Since when did it become a
matter of intolerance for an individual to want to retain their personal belief
of what marriage is? When did it become so unpopular to want to hold onto
"traditional" values and when did "traditional" values start
leaving such a bad taste in people's mouths? Is progress in society today
based on how much we are willing to give up to make everyone feel good about
themselves?
re: realitycheck
You find it hard to believe that your interracial couple neighbors voted based on their religious beliefs instead of their experience. You ever stop to think that maybe it was because of their religious beliefs that they were able to get through those experiences?
re: realitycheck
You find it hard to believe that your interracial couple neighbors voted based on their religious beliefs instead of their experience. You ever stop to think that maybe it was because of their religious beliefs that they were able to get through those experiences?
Hey.... | 5:39 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I'm getting questions from co workers at work about LDS Beliefs and
I'm referring them to the missionaries in my stake. What a great
missionary tool...
Robert Oh | 6:41 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Ernie,
How do you think your wife would feel about going back to "traditional marriage"? An arrangement where she had no say, was basically purchased from her father and her ownership was transferred to her new husband.
That is the kind of marriage that has traditionally been on earth.
You want traditional marriage? You better now stop with Prop 8.
How do you think your wife would feel about going back to "traditional marriage"? An arrangement where she had no say, was basically purchased from her father and her ownership was transferred to her new husband.
That is the kind of marriage that has traditionally been on earth.
You want traditional marriage? You better now stop with Prop 8.
SoCal LDS | 6:44 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I always wondered what it would be like to attend church with police protection.
Well, I just found out. It is very eerie.......
What a world we live in!
What a world we live in!
Anonymous | 6:52 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Exactly!
The constitution gives all people rights and that's what this is simply all about. I see people treat the gays badly, but give lip service to straight couples that can't even raise their kids properly. I've seen a high percentage of gays treat their kids and raise them up far better than many straight couples do.
Like Jesus said in the scriptures, judge not less ye be judged. Prop 8 simply would have ensured that "couples" be given the same rights as a union. And remember only a very small small percentage of such unions would comprise of such couples less than 1%.
Another thing Jesus said was love one another and he showed that to everyone, and I mean EVERYONE! We can learn from that and be more tolerant and realize that it's important to love than to hate and judge. Looks like those so called righteous right wing religion zealots think they have it all perfectly. geeez?? They act just like the Pharisees of whom Jesus criticized the most for being so narrow-minded and lacking in love.
I am an active LDS by the way...and would have voted NO to Prop 8.
The constitution gives all people rights and that's what this is simply all about. I see people treat the gays badly, but give lip service to straight couples that can't even raise their kids properly. I've seen a high percentage of gays treat their kids and raise them up far better than many straight couples do.
Like Jesus said in the scriptures, judge not less ye be judged. Prop 8 simply would have ensured that "couples" be given the same rights as a union. And remember only a very small small percentage of such unions would comprise of such couples less than 1%.
Another thing Jesus said was love one another and he showed that to everyone, and I mean EVERYONE! We can learn from that and be more tolerant and realize that it's important to love than to hate and judge. Looks like those so called righteous right wing religion zealots think they have it all perfectly. geeez?? They act just like the Pharisees of whom Jesus criticized the most for being so narrow-minded and lacking in love.
I am an active LDS by the way...and would have voted NO to Prop 8.
Opposition in ALL Things | 7:02 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
I Like the Controversy!! Call me crazy if you will, but We in the LDS Church
can't BUY this kind of press. We had it in the late 70's &
80's with the denial of the ERA Amendment, and we had it here in So Cal
with a libel lawsuit against the Church that was laughed out of court, If you
look at the Data of CONVERT BAPTISMS...The Church baptised MORE in times of
Controversy than in supposed "peaceful times".
PROTEST ALL YOU WANT...People will Investigate, Feel the Spirit and will COME UNTO CHRIST!!
Thanks GLBT Peeps!! The Work of God will GO FORTH
PROTEST ALL YOU WANT...People will Investigate, Feel the Spirit and will COME UNTO CHRIST!!
Thanks GLBT Peeps!! The Work of God will GO FORTH
Beatrice | 7:17 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Victor Randazzo | 11:48 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
WHAT is the F.B.I DOING about all the HATE towards our members.
What is the FBI DOING about all the HATE that
Mormons exhibit toward others?
WHAT is the F.B.I DOING about all the HATE towards our members.
What is the FBI DOING about all the HATE that
Mormons exhibit toward others?
denial of rights | 7:34 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
gays have the right to do exactly whatever they want. can they not live
together and have all the rights of a heterosexual couple? what am I missing, do
I and my wife have some extra special rights denied to them? we live together,
we love each other..
marriage is not a "right" it is a ceremony. religious or not.
why do they feel like they are being denied a right?
nope. what they want is acceptance and validation.
racism cannot be compared with this, if someone is denied the right to go to school, or take public transportation, that is denying a right.
but you cannot demand a ceremony as a right, thats like saying I am being discrimated against because I cannot go to graduation at the Harvard law school and get handed a JD degree. why are they leaving me out, I feel like I am being discriminated against, am I not worthy of that right? well harvard has rules for who gets to graduate, it is defined by Harvard. same with marriage, it is defined now in CA and 40 other states.
marriage is not a "right" it is a ceremony. religious or not.
why do they feel like they are being denied a right?
nope. what they want is acceptance and validation.
racism cannot be compared with this, if someone is denied the right to go to school, or take public transportation, that is denying a right.
but you cannot demand a ceremony as a right, thats like saying I am being discrimated against because I cannot go to graduation at the Harvard law school and get handed a JD degree. why are they leaving me out, I feel like I am being discriminated against, am I not worthy of that right? well harvard has rules for who gets to graduate, it is defined by Harvard. same with marriage, it is defined now in CA and 40 other states.
Votes do count | 7:54 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The no voters have clout. They get a lot of the liberal media, entertainers
like Whoopie, Ellen D., RoseAnn, governator, Brad Pitt, Oprah, etc. etc, etc. to
back them up. Seems to me it would be wise to turn off the TV., not go to the
movies of these people, After all, boycotting can go two ways. I am so tired
of being bombarded by these people. I'm just a poor sap who thought that
voting was important. Now I know that all you need is a big mouth and a
microphone. How sad is that? The media needs to stop making our choices for
us. The vote was real, they just need to accept it.
Anonymous @ 6:52 | 8:11 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
YES!!!! YOUR RIGHT! Jesus did love everyone - the sinner and the righteous - He
also gave commandments and then said - If you love me keep my commandments! He
also said "Come follow me". Have you read the OT lately? He also gave
us a Prophet and asked us to follow (sustain) him. Love is importart but it
dosen't mean that we have to allow others to walk alll over us - or what we
hold sacred or the right to raise our family in God's way! The church has
always said that the Family (traditional families as is talked about in the
Proclamition of the Family) is the greatest unit on the face of the earth -I
have no doubt that He would want us to uphold His views of the Family!
Re: Blame game | 9:35 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Just means the church is true. If it wasn't, it wouldn't matter!
Wicked men Rules | 9:54 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Wicked men rules when good men DO NOTHING
Thank you for voting yes on propotion 8
Thank you for voting yes on propotion 8
Anonymous | 10:04 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The No-side played the game and it lost even with all the talent of Hollywood,
Silicon Valley, the Media, and the politicians.
Anonymous | 10:25 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Terrorism and Gay Rights Activists Part 1
Terrorism is a criminal act that influences an audience beyond the immediate victim. The strategy of terrorists is to commit acts of violence that draw the attention of the local populace, the government, and the world to their cause. Terrorists plan their attack to obtain the greatest publicity, choosing targets that symbolize what they oppose. The effectiveness of the terrorist act lies not in the act itself, but in the public�s or government�s reaction to the act.
Terrorism is a criminal act that influences an audience beyond the immediate victim. The strategy of terrorists is to commit acts of violence that draw the attention of the local populace, the government, and the world to their cause. Terrorists plan their attack to obtain the greatest publicity, choosing targets that symbolize what they oppose. The effectiveness of the terrorist act lies not in the act itself, but in the public�s or government�s reaction to the act.
Opinion | 10:35 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
The current reaction of those who opposed Prop 8 is showing what true bigotry is
all about. To do criminal actions because the outcome of a vote wasn't the
result you wanted is wrong. This isn't helping anyone's cause. It is
very bad representation for the majority who voted against Prop 8. If you want
to make progress, you need to play nice in the sandbox. I have no problem with
encouraging others to vote for what they believe in, but the post election
actions are disturbing.
Dan | 10:35 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Yes, Lionheart, you are very right! No good idea goes unapposed. Like Paul, we
should count our tribulations small. The prophets and apostles of old suffered
mocking. Are we better than they?
Courage to Stand for Truth | 10:39 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
Let's support those business targeted by the activists. Here are some
facts:
The family is the basic unit of society.
Children are society's future.
No one has a "right" to be married.
When rights for same-sex couples are expanded, freedom of speech and religion are threatened through coercion.
The Netherlands, the first country to legalize same-sex marriage, has already seen an explosion in the illegitimacy rate and a decline in the number of couples getting married.
When legalized, more children will be taught against their parents wishes, that homosexuality is healthy and normal.
In Massachusetts, homosexuality is taught as part of a diversity program and parents do not have the right to opt out their children.
Catholic Charities, dropped their adoption program because they do not let same-sex couples adopt and did not want to face lawsuits.
A photographer in New Mexico was fined for declining to photograph a lesbian "commitment ceremony" because it violated her religious beliefs.
Where same-sex marriage is legalized, promoting motherhood and fatherhood could legally be considered discriminatory.
Promiscuity in marriage will become more generally accepted. The average same-sex relationship is 3 years. Only 3% of American's are homosexual. Let's stand together to protect the family.
The family is the basic unit of society.
Children are society's future.
No one has a "right" to be married.
When rights for same-sex couples are expanded, freedom of speech and religion are threatened through coercion.
The Netherlands, the first country to legalize same-sex marriage, has already seen an explosion in the illegitimacy rate and a decline in the number of couples getting married.
When legalized, more children will be taught against their parents wishes, that homosexuality is healthy and normal.
In Massachusetts, homosexuality is taught as part of a diversity program and parents do not have the right to opt out their children.
Catholic Charities, dropped their adoption program because they do not let same-sex couples adopt and did not want to face lawsuits.
A photographer in New Mexico was fined for declining to photograph a lesbian "commitment ceremony" because it violated her religious beliefs.
Where same-sex marriage is legalized, promoting motherhood and fatherhood could legally be considered discriminatory.
Promiscuity in marriage will become more generally accepted. The average same-sex relationship is 3 years. Only 3% of American's are homosexual. Let's stand together to protect the family.
Califorinia Prop. 8 supporter | 10:56 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008
As unfortunate as many of the gay and lesbians have been reacting to the passage
of Prop. 8, I feel sure that this will end in being an overall positive
experience for the Church's missionary efforts. Provided that we, as
members, continue to treat others with respect and civility even if it is not
reciprocated. Already the negative treatment of our Tempes and members by the
gay/lesbians have opened up positive dialog with my husband's co-workers.
Many non-members have witnessed the unfair attacks on us and have eome to our
defense and have pledged their unity with us. The Lord always knows how to turn
situations like these to His advantage. All is well!
Thinking | 1:07 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I have always been of the mind to let others live the way they want. With all
the things going on with prop. 8 I have become a little more educated on this
issue and believe I can see things more clearly now.
The gay community is wrong. And their words and actions speak volumes on who they are. They claim freethinking, tolerance and love. I guess that may be the case unless you oppose their way of thinking. If prop. 8 would have failed would religious people have acted in similar ways, using intimidation tactics to punish their opponents? I think not.
Thank you to the gay activist's. I can see things much more clearly now.
The gay community is wrong. And their words and actions speak volumes on who they are. They claim freethinking, tolerance and love. I guess that may be the case unless you oppose their way of thinking. If prop. 8 would have failed would religious people have acted in similar ways, using intimidation tactics to punish their opponents? I think not.
Thank you to the gay activist's. I can see things much more clearly now.
Southern CA Porter Rockwell | 1:23 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
It is a total shame on how the No on Prop 8 folks are reacting and dealing with
how the democratic process worked on 11-04-08. Gee, last time I checked the Bill
of Rights, it mentioned something about freedom of religion. God bless America!
isthisrocketscience | 3:03 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I was hoping that this would open the door to family members marrying each other
-- brothers and sisters, mothers and sons, fathers and daughters, cousins, etc.
Shouldn't we have that right? Shouldn't we have the right to marry
more than one mammal, male or female, possibly a beloved pet so that we can
transfer wealth and avoid estate taxes? Or what about marrying someone under
the age of 12? How about children's right to marry? There are folks that
think they should have these choices sanctioned by the state, but marriage is
regulated for good reasons.
TDub | 6:05 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I haven't read every comment, but I think we are missing a huge point of
interest. Having read about Connecticut and how they can teach the children that
gay, lesbian "marriage" is a viable alternative to traditional
marriage, I'm concerned that that is one of the main sticking points
involved in Prop 8. Wouldn't this dictate that that lifestyle be taught to
our children even if parents opposed it? Let the homosexuals be a union, but
don't let them stuff it down our children's throats!
@ Ellen | 7:19 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Not only is your bitterness showing, but your ignorance also.
IF you bother to check facts, you will find that other groups can be racist and hate crimes have been committed against whites.
As for what has painted you into a corner - that would be your victim mentality and unwillingness to address the real issues.
IF you bother to check facts, you will find that other groups can be racist and hate crimes have been committed against whites.
As for what has painted you into a corner - that would be your victim mentality and unwillingness to address the real issues.
remembertopray | 7:56 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Been listening to the Book of Mormon alot. Please Remember what happens
eventually to those that forget the Lord and remember what you need to do each
day and never forget.
Jerry in So. Cal | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Why don't these "tolerant" (only if you agree the way they do) No
of 8 protesters do it in South Central Los Angeles where the vast majority of
African-American live and voted? Because those who live in SCLA won't put
up which their shenanigans. The African-American took offend to the No on 8
protestors because the No on 8 were making it a �civil
rights� issue and that ticked off those who live not just
in L.A. but throughout the state.
No on 8 have lost a lot of supporters and have become vitriolic on how they have reacted and protested those business owners who were Yes on 8 supporters. They picket and use name calling to keep patrons away. Those employers even employ �gays and lesbians in those restaurants).
The next time this proposition appears and it will. There will be a lot video footage as to what is going to happen if you don�t support there position.
I�m a convert to the Church and I couldn�t be more humble on how the LDS people in LA have been let alone �tolerant� and demonstrating a �Christ-like� approach to all this media attention.
No on 8 have lost a lot of supporters and have become vitriolic on how they have reacted and protested those business owners who were Yes on 8 supporters. They picket and use name calling to keep patrons away. Those employers even employ �gays and lesbians in those restaurants).
The next time this proposition appears and it will. There will be a lot video footage as to what is going to happen if you don�t support there position.
I�m a convert to the Church and I couldn�t be more humble on how the LDS people in LA have been let alone �tolerant� and demonstrating a �Christ-like� approach to all this media attention.
Ulrika | 9:28 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Unfortunately the gays who are now so inappropriately protesting the democratic
process are just giving themselves, and other reasonable persons with their
choice of lifestyle, a terrible name.
Plain & Simple | 9:34 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To Anonymous of 11:56 a.m.
Not only will you not find marriage in the Constitution, but in Lawrence v. Texas (which the
gays applauded) the court went out of their way in overturning Bowers by affirming that there is
no fundamental right for gay marriage. Let me repeat for those that may have missed that (hint
for the George court in California). The U. S. Supreme Court said there is no fundamental right
for gay marriage.
Not only will you not find marriage in the Constitution, but in Lawrence v. Texas (which the
gays applauded) the court went out of their way in overturning Bowers by affirming that there is
no fundamental right for gay marriage. Let me repeat for those that may have missed that (hint
for the George court in California). The U. S. Supreme Court said there is no fundamental right
for gay marriage.
Follow the Prophet | 10:15 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
He knows the way! This is nothing new to the watchmen on the towers." Read
what Elder Maxwell said in 1979 at BYU, reprinted in the Ensign 1979 -
"Make no mistake about it, brothers and sisters, in the months and years
ahead, events are likely to require each member to decide whether or not he will
follow the First Presidency. Members will find it more difficult to halt longer
between two opinions...This is a hard doctrine, but it is a particularly vital
doctrine in a society which is becoming more wicked. In short, brothers and
sisters, not being ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ includes not being
ashamed of the prophets of Jesus Christ!" Read the whole thing for yourself
"A More Determined Discipleship" at LDS.org And relax, God is in His
heaven, He leads His Church let us get out of his way let HIM be in control. All
we have to do is follow the prophet! I love that it is really THAT simple!
Plain & Simple | 10:39 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To NigelUK:
Part 2
I am not a spokesman for Meridian, but I don�t think they are surprised that some people disagree
with their viewpoint of the issues. However, disagreement is one thing, having your company
hacked into and having its home page turned into a gay porn site is something else, unless you
think disagreement is morally equivalent to breaking the law.
There are not enough words left to even try to take on the discrimination charge but will have to
leave that for another post. See realitycheck below.
Both sides praying for each other would be a good idea. It is heartening to know that the No side
believes in God and prayer. From the tone of their posts such sentiments could easily be missed.
Part 2
I am not a spokesman for Meridian, but I don�t think they are surprised that some people disagree
with their viewpoint of the issues. However, disagreement is one thing, having your company
hacked into and having its home page turned into a gay porn site is something else, unless you
think disagreement is morally equivalent to breaking the law.
There are not enough words left to even try to take on the discrimination charge but will have to
leave that for another post. See realitycheck below.
Both sides praying for each other would be a good idea. It is heartening to know that the No side
believes in God and prayer. From the tone of their posts such sentiments could easily be missed.
Plain & Simple | 10:41 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To realitycheck:
Yea, that pesky Prop 8 coalition is forcing their beliefs on all us of having marriage mean it is
between a man and a woman. What radicals! Imagine a 52.5% of the vote versus 47.5%. How
dare the people speak up against a one judge swing vote 4-3. Don�t they know that judges are the
wisest persons in the whole wide world? Who are these people of California to think anyone of
them has more intelligence and wisdom than a judge? (Just don�t ask his wife.)
As far as your inter-racial neighbor couple goes maybe they know that your argument of
comparing sexual behavior is different from race with which they were born. You won�t find any
gays fighting for the right to vote, nor for the right to go to school, get a job or find housing as
blacks once did.
Yea, that pesky Prop 8 coalition is forcing their beliefs on all us of having marriage mean it is
between a man and a woman. What radicals! Imagine a 52.5% of the vote versus 47.5%. How
dare the people speak up against a one judge swing vote 4-3. Don�t they know that judges are the
wisest persons in the whole wide world? Who are these people of California to think anyone of
them has more intelligence and wisdom than a judge? (Just don�t ask his wife.)
As far as your inter-racial neighbor couple goes maybe they know that your argument of
comparing sexual behavior is different from race with which they were born. You won�t find any
gays fighting for the right to vote, nor for the right to go to school, get a job or find housing as
blacks once did.
Plain & Simple | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To realitycheck
Part 2
By the way since when couldn�t churches talk about marriage to their congregations. Last time I
attended it seemed like marriage is a doctrine that can be discussed. Fact - the Mormon church
didn�t cast one vote. If you read the Dan Walters 11/11/08 column in the Sacramento Bee you
will learn it was the surge for Obama that sealed Prop 8's victory. He said normally 13% of the
vote is African-American in California. This time it was 18% due to a big Obama turnout that
resulted in 500,000 more votes. 70% of those votes voted yes on 8.
Part 2
By the way since when couldn�t churches talk about marriage to their congregations. Last time I
attended it seemed like marriage is a doctrine that can be discussed. Fact - the Mormon church
didn�t cast one vote. If you read the Dan Walters 11/11/08 column in the Sacramento Bee you
will learn it was the surge for Obama that sealed Prop 8's victory. He said normally 13% of the
vote is African-American in California. This time it was 18% due to a big Obama turnout that
resulted in 500,000 more votes. 70% of those votes voted yes on 8.
Plaiin & Simple | 11:35 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To re Craig:
The issue is marriage. Prop 8 amends the California State Constitution to say that, �Only
marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.� Californian�s have
domestic partnerships in the California Family Code giving them all the rights of marriage. The
fact that gays feel treated different will never go away by laws, whether constitutional or statute.
However, they can have all the same rights even if their unions have different names.
The issue is marriage. Prop 8 amends the California State Constitution to say that, �Only
marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.� Californian�s have
domestic partnerships in the California Family Code giving them all the rights of marriage. The
fact that gays feel treated different will never go away by laws, whether constitutional or statute.
However, they can have all the same rights even if their unions have different names.
Plain & Simple | 11:38 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To Beatrice:
�What is the FBI DOING about all the HATE that Mormons exhibit toward others?� Would that
mean voting with millions of other Californians of all faiths? Is that what you call hate? Maybe
you can inform us of the vandalism done to gay bars, or the white powdery substances mailed to
gays, or the Yes on 8 protesters with their signs that said �Gays go to hell,� �Gay scum.� Oh,
wait, there weren�t any. It was the No on 8 crowd that had those signs but used the word
Mormon instead of gay. We�ll be waiting for your evidence of Mormon hate for others, but
won�t be holding our collective breath.
�What is the FBI DOING about all the HATE that Mormons exhibit toward others?� Would that
mean voting with millions of other Californians of all faiths? Is that what you call hate? Maybe
you can inform us of the vandalism done to gay bars, or the white powdery substances mailed to
gays, or the Yes on 8 protesters with their signs that said �Gays go to hell,� �Gay scum.� Oh,
wait, there weren�t any. It was the No on 8 crowd that had those signs but used the word
Mormon instead of gay. We�ll be waiting for your evidence of Mormon hate for others, but
won�t be holding our collective breath.
Love gays too | 12:02 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
This issue is becoming very difficult for me. I love and trust the prophet, and
my own heart that tells me supporting prop. 8 is right. But I have a very close
friend (my oldest friend, even). He would never behave or condone the behavior
of the protestors. He is gay, and has adopted two children. I think he's a
wonderful father, a great friend, and a good person. I had the unfortunate
displeasure of having to discuss my views on his community and desire to be
married to another man some day, with him last night. Our friendship is still in
tact, but I don't feel comfortable even talking about it. I don't want
to make my friend feel I'm judging him less than me. It's so painful.
He says he's happy with "who he is". How do we humbly help
beautiful people see our views on this issues? What words to us?
PV | 12:35 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I think we should be cautious about laying the blame on the Proposition 8
opponents. Most of them have come across as sincere and passionate, but not in
any way supportive of oppressive or intimidating tactics. I suspect that these
issues are arising from long-term enemies of the Church who see this as an
opportunity to spread hate, and in doing so are casting a shadow on the many
good and honest people who opposed Proposition 8. Charging this to the No on 8
campaign simply plays into their hands.
wayne | 12:43 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I have commented several times, but even though they show accepted, they never
appear in the comments even though they have all conformed to your rules.
Can you please reply to let me know why.
Can you please reply to let me know why.
This issue is not hate | 12:46 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Stopping same-sex "marriage" is not (or should not be) an issue of
hate toward anyone who supports it or toward anyone who engages in homosexual
conduct. Support of the principles of marriage is not an emotion. Someone who
stands up for correct principles still can and should love people who support
same-sex "marriage" and love people who engage in immoral behavior.
Wondering | 1:49 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I think the pro-gay marriage movement is being underwritten by divorce
attorneys. If gay marriage becomes legal everywhere, it will take an army of
attorneys to handle the divorces 6 months down the road.
Boycott Obama | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
All of these people that are so upset over Prop 8 are many of the same ones that
were crying with joy and rapture when Barack Obama was elected. Obama has
stated unequivically on many occasions that he is opposed to gay marriage.
Maybe they should picket him instead. After all, he will be the most powerful
person in the world in about 8 weeks.
I agree Wayne | 7:27 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I think they're just having fun deleting everyone's perfectly valid
comments
Follow the Prophet @ 10:15 | 7:30 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I can't wait to read the talk. Thanks.
Connie | 8:32 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I know that at the head of our Church is a Prophet of God, who speaks for God.
God does not make mistakes and neither do our Church Leaders. We need to really
pray and refrain from lashing out at others, our local law enforcements are
there to keep the peace, let them do their job. Those that are breaking laws by
vandalism will be brought to justice. Hopefully those that are involved in
violent protests and intimidation will remember that our government takes
domestic terrorism very seriously. All is well, our journey is not through.
New Mexico | 8:54 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Thank you Richard Adams @9:22- Now I know which businesses I will support even
more!!!
Yockel | 9:03 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Obama has also unequivocally stated that he is against Proposition 8.
cybereagle777 | 10:05 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Let's see now: hacking, disturbing the peace, verbal abuse, etc. Sounds
like these are some "nice, calm" people. I'm not a member of the
LDS church, but I hope they'll keep fighting on and never back down.
Beatrice @7:17 pm Nov 14, 2008 | 10:41 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Huhhhhh???? Please explain what HATE the Mormons exhibit towards others? The
LDS church is the first organization to send food, clothing & aid to
disaster areas all over the WORLD! They are prepared to help the minute there is
a disaster, just ask the Red Cross. Yep, that shows real hatrid towards others
doesn't it. Too bad you don't know more about the LDS church - Hey, I
know two young men who would love to teach you more about what we
believe.........
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