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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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Laura | 12:29 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I can just imagine all these other Christian churches that have preached
anti-Mormonism for years scratching their heads and wondering how the Mormons
just saved the CA at the polls!
Paul | 12:30 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Equal rights will prevail. Years of history have proven it.
While religion supported and excused it. Eventually the slaves were freed.
While religion supported and excused it. Eventually women were free and not property of their husbands.
While religion was used to defend it. Eventually interracial couples could marry.
Equal rights will prevail. And we will not give up. We are here to fight until the end.
While religion supported and excused it. Eventually the slaves were freed.
While religion supported and excused it. Eventually women were free and not property of their husbands.
While religion was used to defend it. Eventually interracial couples could marry.
Equal rights will prevail. And we will not give up. We are here to fight until the end.
Fake Prop 8 Protesters... | 12:33 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The people protesting in Utah are not protesting prop 8, they are people who
hate the mormon church. You can always get a bunch of people to come out and
protest on any topic as long as its against the mormon churches views.
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Things that make me go hummmm. | 12:35 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
How can a practice that if truly adhered to would eliminate all those who
practice it be something that God would allow on the earth? Last time I checked
I takes and man and a woman to make a baby. If gays and lesbians stuck to what
they claim to believe is their right, they would never have children and all
would die off. HMMMMM. Do what is right let the consequence follow.
Boiseguy | 12:35 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Like I said earlier, this initiative will be overturned and ruled
unconstitutional because it is. And then you all who are saying thankyou and
spouting rants at gay protestors will be screaming bloody murder about activist
judges and whatever other ilk you want to spout. If the judges do their job, and
rule the way you don't like.. you attack them and call them activists and
rogue judges... The finger pointing can go both ways. and what is right will
prevail. Gay marriage will happen in this country. Question is, how will you
conduct yourselves when it does happen because it will. Don't forget that
there are now 3 other states that allow it. Its not going away. AND california
will be the 4th once again when it is presented to the courts. Just like every
other minority group fighting for civil rights. They won their cases through the
courts. We use to have slave and free states, and wanted to keep it that way and
call it states rights. I know everyone think they are right and feel strongly,
but if you're fighting gay marriage you will be on the wrong side of
history.
its coming! prepare yourself
its coming! prepare yourself
The NIT | 12:43 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
It's not a right!! You're not denied anything. The members of the
LDS Church - and many other churches - have every right to support such an
amendment in California and other states. It's just amazing what a half
truth can do. Black people in the state and country should be deeply offended
for ANY comparisons made to their struggles over the years. It's NOT the
same - regardless of what is said by those who have chosen such lifestyles.
Prop 8 Volunteer in CA | 12:44 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
What a wonderful opportunity and experience it has been to be part of the
passing of Prop 8. It felt wonderful to be a pioneer in protecting the sanctity
of marriage for future generations. LDS are only 2% of the population here in
CA (800,000 which number includes under the age of 18) and over 5 million
Californians voted in the election. I think it is wonderful that when the
prophet asked us to support and get involved, LDS were the ones who stepped up
and took a stand. I am proud of our efforts and am not shaken ONE BIT by the
protests outside our temple. Let them protest all they want. The will of the
people have spoken. Thank goodness for the Mormon church for taking a stand on
these moral issues. This will only help those who are interested in the church
to want to learn more about a church who is not willing to cave to social
pressures but are willing to stand for truth and righteousness.
why? | 12:53 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
how come there arn't any comments that are good against the gay population.
i know alot of gay people and they are good people.
Give me liberty or death | 12:55 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The Associated Press published an article "Utah faces boycott after Mormon
work for Prop 8." It outlines the following:
1) "At a fundamental level, the Utah Mormons crossed the line on this one," said gay rights activist John Aravosis, an influential blogger in Washington, D.C.
"They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards," he said. "You don't do that and get away with it."
The proper definition of "bastard" is a child whose biological parents were not married at the time of their birth. So I doubt that any of these children suddenly became bastards.
2) "There's a movement afoot and large donors are involved who are very interested in organizing a campaign, because I do not believe in frivolous boycotts," and "The main focus is going to be going after the Utah brand," he said. "At this point, honestly, we're going to destroy the Utah brand. It is a hate state."
They have called for our tax-exempt status to be revoked but we must stand tall and even face the same level of persecution we have in the early Church if necessary. Tax my tithes and you will have to kill me.
1) "At a fundamental level, the Utah Mormons crossed the line on this one," said gay rights activist John Aravosis, an influential blogger in Washington, D.C.
"They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards," he said. "You don't do that and get away with it."
The proper definition of "bastard" is a child whose biological parents were not married at the time of their birth. So I doubt that any of these children suddenly became bastards.
2) "There's a movement afoot and large donors are involved who are very interested in organizing a campaign, because I do not believe in frivolous boycotts," and "The main focus is going to be going after the Utah brand," he said. "At this point, honestly, we're going to destroy the Utah brand. It is a hate state."
They have called for our tax-exempt status to be revoked but we must stand tall and even face the same level of persecution we have in the early Church if necessary. Tax my tithes and you will have to kill me.
jesuslovesyou | 12:55 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
right now there is alot of division. but one day everybody will get along. just
remember to believe in love. you might not be able to be legally married but
know in your hearts that love holds you together.
Bob | 12:58 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I support peaceful demonstrations from anyone but I have a question.
So help me understand. Gays must not be Christian because God has clearly condemned it in the Bible. So the Gays not being Christian must believe in evolution. Oh but wait if they did they would not exist. So who are you and where do you come from?
The gays will never march in Compton nor vandalize a church in Compton because the the good people there would protect their property and kick the tar out of them.
So help me understand. Gays must not be Christian because God has clearly condemned it in the Bible. So the Gays not being Christian must believe in evolution. Oh but wait if they did they would not exist. So who are you and where do you come from?
The gays will never march in Compton nor vandalize a church in Compton because the the good people there would protect their property and kick the tar out of them.
Jeff | 12:58 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
THIS IS SUCH A STUPID ARGUMENT!!! Take religion out of the equation. Think of
it this way. You put 100 homosexuals on an island and return 50 years later.
If the population has not grown, then there is something wrong. End of
discussion.
Laura | 12:58 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The LA temple is the most beautiful edifice on that Santa Monica Blvd. It is
sacred and should be treated with respect.
tc | 1:08 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I'm not sure how many mormons live in California, but the last results that
I saw indicated that nearly 5.5 million people voted for proposition 8. I doubt
that there are not even close to 1 million mormons of voting age in California -
maybe 500,000... so who were the other 5 million that voted to ban same sex
marriage? It seems to me, that the 500,000 or so mormons voting mormons in
California might actually be the minority that believe marriage is between a man
and a woman... but, we happen to be the easiest target... right? I'm not
sure what the other churches teach about homosexuality, but I haven't heard
of many that promote it.
I doubt that those that want to take away the churches tax exempt status will be able to show that funds went from members of the church, to the church, and then to activities that directly promoted voting one way or another on prop 8. Members are free to cast their votes any way they want (I voted for Obama.) We all know the church position on marriage, and most of us believe and support it - that's how we vote.
I doubt that those that want to take away the churches tax exempt status will be able to show that funds went from members of the church, to the church, and then to activities that directly promoted voting one way or another on prop 8. Members are free to cast their votes any way they want (I voted for Obama.) We all know the church position on marriage, and most of us believe and support it - that's how we vote.
Webster's Dictionary | 1:11 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Marriage -- a : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as
husband or wife b : the mutual relation of husband and wife c : the institution
whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal
dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family.
Why have we not heard about rallies around Webster's corporate headquarters?
Proposition 8 is not about rights, it is about the definition of marriage.
Anyone sincerely interested in gaining an understanding of the LDS position should go to the Newsroom on lds.org and read the five page statement. There is no discrimination or taking away of rights.
There are wonderful and faithful gay and lesbian citizens of California who also voted for Proposition 8 along with Christians, Jews, Muslims and those adhering to Asian religions.
No one has explained or detailed the benefits to society of same sex marriage. What are they? What does history show on this issue?
To define marriage in any other way serves what purpose? What are the benefits to generations yet to come?
Please help us understand. What case would you present to your Maker on this issue?
Why have we not heard about rallies around Webster's corporate headquarters?
Proposition 8 is not about rights, it is about the definition of marriage.
Anyone sincerely interested in gaining an understanding of the LDS position should go to the Newsroom on lds.org and read the five page statement. There is no discrimination or taking away of rights.
There are wonderful and faithful gay and lesbian citizens of California who also voted for Proposition 8 along with Christians, Jews, Muslims and those adhering to Asian religions.
No one has explained or detailed the benefits to society of same sex marriage. What are they? What does history show on this issue?
To define marriage in any other way serves what purpose? What are the benefits to generations yet to come?
Please help us understand. What case would you present to your Maker on this issue?
millions??? | 1:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
how come no one is screaming about the millions and millions of
"outside" money given to obama in untraceable prepaid credit
cards...
lets be honest, that money didn't come from American's. or people who want to see America survive for that matter!
lets be honest, that money didn't come from American's. or people who want to see America survive for that matter!
A Person | 1:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
This is really frustrating. I�ve grown tired of how
�hateful� the Mormons are and how
they�re so mean spirited and how dare they take a stance on
this. If you don�t like it move elsewhere (out of the US).
I happen to love many homosexual people, but I still disagree with their
opinions and so have 3 states. This is the power of Democracy.
It�s not bigotry, it�s not hatred
(even though there are many that feel that way), and it�s
not intolerance. It�s a big win for democracy and those
that stand for the traditional family. I think the biggest bigotry, hatred, and
intolerance is directed at the LDS church. They have all the right in the world
to disagree. I know many homosexuals are hurt but the voice of the people is
clear. We profoundly share the belief of traditional marriage. This is our
right.
RealistAZ | 1:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The people have spoken. This is not a poltical issue...It is a moral issue. It
never should have even been up for vote, it has and always will be wrong. You
are different, so stop trying to be like everyone else. The church of Jesus
Christ of Later Day Saint only told the truth....this is what the majority
believe in, that's why you are on the earth. Because your parents believed
in it, or you would cease to exist. Take away this fundamental doctrine and
humanity will no longer be. All who believe in such practices must not value
their own life and the sacredness of their existence
Anonymous | 1:25 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
If you lost the right to practice your religion or love your god, would you give
up and move on? This will not end, ever! It will end up in the courts and the
14th amendment will prevail. Plessey vs Ferguson will not stand. This was not a
matter of the church or a threat to the church or it's members. Simply
intolerance of others!!!
As a non-profit entity, the church cannot lobby to the governments, but it's members can. The key is whether it legally can instruct the members to lobby for them. The ACLU needs to be involved with this, they are the professionals in matters related to civil liberties and law. Until then, keep being heard, yell, scream, become involved until the fear subsides. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a non-profit entity, the church cannot lobby to the governments, but it's members can. The key is whether it legally can instruct the members to lobby for them. The ACLU needs to be involved with this, they are the professionals in matters related to civil liberties and law. Until then, keep being heard, yell, scream, become involved until the fear subsides. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CA LDS | 1:25 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I am proud to be CA member of the Church. The protesters are doing exactly what
they said "the church did." Instigating bigotry. It is sad that some
try to change what has stood the test of time.
Simplistic pro-gay logic | 1:27 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Posted by Scarlet:
"It was an awesome sight to see people united against discrimination and hatred."
So, supporting the millenia-old tradition of marriage equals "hatred?" How convenient. This type of rhetoric is not only simple minded, it's outright propaganda. My supporting traditional marriage does not equal hatred for gays - it only signals a respect for marriage. Plain and simple. It's as if you wanted to slap a piece of cheese between two crackers and call it a PB&J sandwich and then label everyone "haters" of crackers and cheese for not agreeing with your culinary revisionism. The arrogance is breathtaking, to say the least.
"How quickly Mormons forget history and how they were treated. The discriminated become the discriminators!"
Discrimination is a fact of life - some discrimination is bad, some is good. Unfortunately, the word has taken on a pejorative tone and it's flung about recklessly all too often. If I don't have enough money, I am discriminated against and not able to receive expensive loans. Fine line distinctions are made all the time in real life, and in the case of Prop. 8, many people discriminated on the right side of history, theology, biology, and society.
"It was an awesome sight to see people united against discrimination and hatred."
So, supporting the millenia-old tradition of marriage equals "hatred?" How convenient. This type of rhetoric is not only simple minded, it's outright propaganda. My supporting traditional marriage does not equal hatred for gays - it only signals a respect for marriage. Plain and simple. It's as if you wanted to slap a piece of cheese between two crackers and call it a PB&J sandwich and then label everyone "haters" of crackers and cheese for not agreeing with your culinary revisionism. The arrogance is breathtaking, to say the least.
"How quickly Mormons forget history and how they were treated. The discriminated become the discriminators!"
Discrimination is a fact of life - some discrimination is bad, some is good. Unfortunately, the word has taken on a pejorative tone and it's flung about recklessly all too often. If I don't have enough money, I am discriminated against and not able to receive expensive loans. Fine line distinctions are made all the time in real life, and in the case of Prop. 8, many people discriminated on the right side of history, theology, biology, and society.
Boycott | 1:27 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
So, let me get this straight. Gays and lesbians are threatening to punish Utah
for having a political opinion that differs from theirs by boycotting the state.
So no gays and lesbians will visit Utah? I'm still waiting for the
punishment part.
People have to remember a basic definition of being gay. Plain and simple, it's about who you choose to have sex with. At what point did choice of sexual partners morph into minority status and a civil rights issue?
People have to remember a basic definition of being gay. Plain and simple, it's about who you choose to have sex with. At what point did choice of sexual partners morph into minority status and a civil rights issue?
tc | 1:32 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The church has won for now. I'm sure that this issue will come up again
and again. Someday, it may be legal. It still won't change my mind as to
whether or not it is right. Alcohol is legal. I don't think it is right
(and i'm not sure what the "benefit" is to society) but I can
still live with it. I don't encourage anyone to drink just because it is
legal.
Same for gay marriage. Even if it is legalized someday, I still won't promote or encourage it. I have friends that are gay. They are nice people. I respect them and their beliefs and opinions. I just don't agree with them. I'm sure they feel the same way about me and my membership in the Mormon church. Whether gay marriage is legal or not, I'll still get along just fine with them. But for now, it's not legal. If they feel so strongly that it should be legal, they should go about things democratically just as those who voted against prop 8 (and most of them were not mormons.) I think most that voted for prop 8 were not gay either. Not a fight between gays/mormons.
Same for gay marriage. Even if it is legalized someday, I still won't promote or encourage it. I have friends that are gay. They are nice people. I respect them and their beliefs and opinions. I just don't agree with them. I'm sure they feel the same way about me and my membership in the Mormon church. Whether gay marriage is legal or not, I'll still get along just fine with them. But for now, it's not legal. If they feel so strongly that it should be legal, they should go about things democratically just as those who voted against prop 8 (and most of them were not mormons.) I think most that voted for prop 8 were not gay either. Not a fight between gays/mormons.
Tired of the LDS Church | 1:36 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Why does the LDS Church and it's members try to impose their morals on
others? Obviously Mormons feel it's important that it's their duty to
make everyone think like they do. Why else would they have such an active
missionary program. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then
don't let them get married in your holy temple. Otherwise, why don't
you just live your life how you want and allow others to do the same. We would
all live happier and longer if we lived by that motto.
Brandon | 1:37 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Civil rights are ALWAYS granted by the courts--never by a majority vote. Prop 8
will be overturned in the courts since it is a blatant violation of their
state's consitution designed to protect a minority. As for the LDS church,
why don't they spend their money on improving schools or helping the
homeless instead of their usual patented brand of hate and fear mongering. What
a terrible image this church has made for themselves.
Randy | 1:38 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The reasoning and justification many of the self proclaimed tolerant and open
minded Prop 8 opponents use arguing against bisexual marriage and/or two sisters
marrying is the exact same reasoning and justification many Prop 8 proponents
use arguing against homosexual marriage.
Mark | 1:39 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
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California Mother | 1:43 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Gary at 4:56 PM. Thank you for telling the truth on why we fought and worked so
hard for Yes on 8.
This was not about denying rights for those with same gender attraction. Not a single right was taken from you.
This was about preserving the rights for our children not to be indoctrinated by those who wish to educate our children to their belief system.
Truly our children are worth the fight and we will continue to fight for them with all that we have.
We do not hate those who are gay and we are not teaching our children to hate or be intolerant of them. In fact we have dear friends who are gay.
But we do have to take a stand when someone is trying to destroy the innocence of children.
My heart truly aches for those good people who I have seen and met over the past weeks on the no on prop 8 side. I feel that you and your relationships have been used by those who want to further the agenda of the destruction of the family and the innocence of children.
This was not about denying rights for those with same gender attraction. Not a single right was taken from you.
This was about preserving the rights for our children not to be indoctrinated by those who wish to educate our children to their belief system.
Truly our children are worth the fight and we will continue to fight for them with all that we have.
We do not hate those who are gay and we are not teaching our children to hate or be intolerant of them. In fact we have dear friends who are gay.
But we do have to take a stand when someone is trying to destroy the innocence of children.
My heart truly aches for those good people who I have seen and met over the past weeks on the no on prop 8 side. I feel that you and your relationships have been used by those who want to further the agenda of the destruction of the family and the innocence of children.
To: tourist_bypassing_utah | 2:02 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Sweet, I guess that's at least two less people on the slopes this year.
This could turn out to be the best ski season ever. Please keep boycotting!!!
Sara in CA | 2:03 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I wish that people would stop saying that the "church" got this
passed. We were asked to contribute and "we" as members did what we
have done for years, we followed the leaders. We made the choice. I was not
able to give money or time because of an injury but I did cast my vote.
One Flush Phil | 2:03 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Perhaps a bus full of protesters should travel to San Francisco to the
California State Supreme Court building and set up their picket line there.
After all it was the court that ignored pleas by the �Yes
on 8� side to postpone the start of gay weddings until
after the Nov. election. How hard would it have been to wait 4 more months
after waiting 5000 years? I know some gay couples who postponed their
"special California wedding" until after the election to see how the
court ruling held up against the voters. Since the court did not let common
sense rule the day back then, chaos now rules it. Legislating from the bench is
not effective governance. When I see the Constitution abused like this and the
results that follow, I recall the words of John Adams who said,
�Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people.�
arc | 2:03 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
the constitution will hang by a thread and orrin hatch will save it
Hungry? | 2:38 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I've been on both sides of this argument at one point in my life and
I'd say the LDS members will be eating their words in the next 10 years.
The GLBT community will have these rights eventually - it's only a matter
of time.
John C. | 2:51 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Brandon: Just for your information the LDS Church donates to more disasters
and charities then any other christian church combined. We do also build schools
and travel the world to help bring clean water to villages in Africa. What have
you done, but slander and baraide. These protest reminds me of my boy when he
was 3 years old and didn't get what he wanted and stomped his little feet
on the ground and yeald thinking that would work. How can you people who's
abnormal actions and behavior if left to your own devices would slowly distroy
yourselfs because you can't creat postarity. How can you expect the rest
of us to accept it as normal. Plain and simple its not normal. Your only trying
to fool yourselfs.
Plain & Simple | 3:03 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I've lived in California for 28 years. Prop 8 was on the ballot in
California. It amended the California constitution. It applies only to
Californians. However, I never knew there was so much concern and interest in
our constitution from people in Utah.
Plain & Simple | 3:09 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To jlc: And just what rights would those be?
Plain & Simple | 3:12 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Pete: ". . . marriage is a religious rite . . ." Try telling that
to every fourth person who lives on this planet in the People's Republic of
China. Last time I checked there marriages were only between a man and a woman
and they are an atheist, secular governed people.
Plain & Simple | 3:14 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Blue: You used the words "civil marriage" please define marriage
for us.
Plain & Simple | 3:17 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To 18,000 couples: You can blame the judge for those folks being in limbo as he
denied an injuction to put off marrying any of these folks until after the Prop
8 election. They waited for all of recorded history, but couldn't wait
another 5 months. Good thinking there judge! No wonder the non-legal world has
such contempt for the legal community.
Hey Bob | 3:20 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I'll tell you why the protests aren't happening in Compton, East LA,
Santa Ana and Watts...because the protesters would have the snot pounded out of
them and that would be the end of the protest.
Plain & Simple | 3:21 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Worship: No one was compelled to send money for Prop 8. Ops, I stand
corrected. The California Teachers Associations took money from every teachers
paychekc fot the No on 8 campaign, not voluntarily but by coercion.
Plain & Simple | 3:23 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To John Thompson: The rights of homosexuals was not determined by popular vote;
the definition of marrriage was amended into the constitution.
Plain & Simple | 3:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Re:Re: Rights: You used the term "homosexual marriages." Please
define marriage for us.
Plain & Simple | 3:26 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Emma: ". . . the Supreme Court in 1967 wrote that marriage is a
fundatmental human right . . ." Please define marriage for us.
Plain & Simple | 3:31 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Anonymous of 5:12 p.m.: Source please that members of the LDS church
gave $20 million for Prop 8. The California Secretary of State publishes by law
all contributions for and against propostions and in the interest of
transparency discloses the donors name, city, occupation and amount. There is
no information on religious affiliation. So again, you source please.
Plain & Simple | 3:33 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Bodymed: I am not even going to reply to your post as others have adequately
beat me to it.
Phillip C. Smith | 3:33 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Anger over the status of marriage in society is unfortunate. We need thoughtful discussions based on reasoned empirical studies rather than verbal blasts, epithets like bigot or homophobe or hostile confrontations.
As a sociologist (Ph.D., Stanford University) I find that scientifically-valid studies support the need of society to recruit and prepare the next generation the best way possible. Professors I knew at Stanford who studied the issue ranged from liberal to moderate-conservative. They indicated that the best unit for preparing the next generation consists of an adult male and female who love and are committed to each other, and in turn love and properly care for children born to or adopted into their union. Heterosexuals marrying during non-child-bearing years also uphold by example this ideal. We should hold to and encourage all others to do so. Social responsibility should replace selfishness. If we truly want to help children, nothing but the best should do. Supporters of traditional marriage have valid science on their side.
Phillip C. Smith, Ph.D.
Plain & Simple | 3:34 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Are they equal?: Define marriage and you will get your answer.
Plain & Simple | 3:38 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Talisyn: Don't put any stock in websites that supposedly ID LDS donors.
They are totally unreliable. There is no vetting to determine if they are LDS
donors or not. You, I or the Man in the Moon good e-mail them and say everyone
on the list was LDS and they would publish it as true.
Plain & Simple | 3:40 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Former Salt Laker: FYI Saddleback Church in South Orange County is having a
demonstration this weekend by the gay community. Perhaps you have heard of
their pastor, Rick Warren. They held a debate with John McCain and Barack Obama
earlier this year.
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This stuff is all idiotic. This woman's father (MITCHELL) is NO PROPHET! I am...
Why? Because he dishonored the entire program by his tirade and went against...
Christy, You answered your own question. You made Mr. Obama god. You...
Its never too late to come back west. BYU still has a scholarship waiting for...
There seems to be a common misconception that insanity equally affects all of...
Very interesting article. I wonder if we will start to see a shift in how...
The picture of coach Whittingham's daughter sheds a thousand words......
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