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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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Marie Devine | 10:02 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
"Blesssed are you when you are persecuted for my word" Let us all
remember there are more sins to fight against. We all need cleansing.
Revelation 21:7, 8
7�He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be My son
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.�
Revelation 22:12-16
12 �And behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without (outside) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Lies: novels, movies, DVD's, television, anti-God laws, etc..
To have power to overcome wickedness, we must be righteous and chose leaders who want God's ways.
Revelation 21:7, 8
7�He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be My son
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.�
Revelation 22:12-16
12 �And behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without (outside) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Lies: novels, movies, DVD's, television, anti-God laws, etc..
To have power to overcome wickedness, we must be righteous and chose leaders who want God's ways.
Lightandliberty | 10:04 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
This is great! Finally, we may see some who have been on the sidelines of the
church have to take a stand. If they stand up for what is right, liberty
prevails in their life; if they stand up for what is wrong, a loss of liberty
occurs, including perhaps their dissafection from church! More freedom and less
liberty! Battle lines are being drawn! Doing evil in the name of liberty is the
ultimate irony!
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Ensign | 10:12 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The church stood up for morality. The world riots against it. This divide will
become greater and greater. Love the sinner, not the sin.
The downfall of the LDS Church? | 10:14 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Really? I don't think so. A few members will leave, I'm sure, and
those of us that stick with the church over the next century or so will be put
through the refiner's fire, but in the end, we'll be much stronger for
it.
Don't forget that your prophecy about the church crumbling goes directly against a revelation by a prophet of God:
"Every previous gospel dispensation has drifted away into apostasy, but ours will not. Some individuals will fall away; but the kingdom of God will remain intact to welcome the return of its head-even Jesus Christ. While our generation will be comparable in wickedness to the days of Noah, when the Lord cleansed the Earth by flood, there is a major difference this time. God has saved for the final inning some of His strongest children, who will help bear off the kingdom triumphantly." -Ezra T. Benson
Which prophecy do you think will come true, the one made in the name of God, or the one made in the name of homosexual marriage? My bet's on President Benson, personally.
Don't forget that your prophecy about the church crumbling goes directly against a revelation by a prophet of God:
"Every previous gospel dispensation has drifted away into apostasy, but ours will not. Some individuals will fall away; but the kingdom of God will remain intact to welcome the return of its head-even Jesus Christ. While our generation will be comparable in wickedness to the days of Noah, when the Lord cleansed the Earth by flood, there is a major difference this time. God has saved for the final inning some of His strongest children, who will help bear off the kingdom triumphantly." -Ezra T. Benson
Which prophecy do you think will come true, the one made in the name of God, or the one made in the name of homosexual marriage? My bet's on President Benson, personally.
Greg | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Yawn. This is so lame. The voice of the people in CA has been heard. UT had
very little to do with this mess. Let's stop crying and do some good in
the world. Go volunteer at a charity and forget about yourself. You might
realize your life is not so bad.
MMM | 10:34 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
CIVIL RIGHTS...OK
MARRIAGE....MMM...NOPE...Marriage was establish BY GOD, NOT THE HUMAN KIND!!! MUST BE MAN AND WOMAN...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT...TALK TO GOD!!!You'll have an answer!!!
MARRIAGE....MMM...NOPE...Marriage was establish BY GOD, NOT THE HUMAN KIND!!! MUST BE MAN AND WOMAN...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT...TALK TO GOD!!!You'll have an answer!!!
Urgent | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The Gay agenda groups is a mean spirited operation, they use the court system in
hopes they can get a liberal judge to force law on the majority. This kind of
underlying guilt can make for ugly and cowardly acts towards people that morally
don't justify this behavior. People in this world make choices, we cannot
spin right and wrong just to make our choices easier on the soul.
So tell me again | 11:11 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
how the LDS church with 800,000 members in California, of which only half voted.
Convinced 5.5 million voters of all faiths to vote in favor of Prop 8. I think
the angry gays are looking for a scapegoat to protest against and picked the LDS
church for some reason. They should march on their own state to other religious,
or non-religous groups who voted for Prop 8. The numbers just don't add up,
and either does the financial support. I guess the majority of Californians see
the family unit as a man+woman=children. That's also gods plan for us too.
Love to You All | 11:14 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
When struggling to understand this whole situation,and believe me, it's
been a struggle, a good friend of mine told me: "It comes down to this, do
you believe that the prophet receives revelation? He sees the bigger picture,
so we must have faith and hope that there is a reason we have been called upon
to take a stand on this issue."
For those of you who are LDS and struggling to accept the stand our leaders have taken, take a moment to search the scriptures and your soul for answers. We do not always understand why we are called upon to do certain things, but need to move forward in faith with the understanding that the Lord's purpose will be revealed to us in His time.
Surely, the Lord could resolve this issue in the twinkling of an eye if he so desired. There must be a reason why we are all being called out of our comfort zones to action.
I do realize that feelings are raw on both sides of this issue (I have a gay uncle myself), but spewing forth hate and condescension toward one another will not solve anything.
For those of you who are LDS and struggling to accept the stand our leaders have taken, take a moment to search the scriptures and your soul for answers. We do not always understand why we are called upon to do certain things, but need to move forward in faith with the understanding that the Lord's purpose will be revealed to us in His time.
Surely, the Lord could resolve this issue in the twinkling of an eye if he so desired. There must be a reason why we are all being called out of our comfort zones to action.
I do realize that feelings are raw on both sides of this issue (I have a gay uncle myself), but spewing forth hate and condescension toward one another will not solve anything.
one thing's for certain | 11:17 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
you guys will never tire of patting yourself on the back.
A democratic process | 11:28 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The Mormons passed this proposition in California. I didn't know Mormons
had the majority vote in California. How come it is a blue state? It was just
wrong the Mormons sided with the majority on this issue. How dare them have an
opinion on this issue or take action at all, the Gay community has never express
any opinion or taken any action against Mormons.
FaithNoMo | 11:33 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
It's great to see that the church is being called out on the issue.
Don't forget that our government is set up to protect the MINORITY. You love the majority when you are part of it.
Don't forget that our government is set up to protect the MINORITY. You love the majority when you are part of it.
Not Suprised | 11:41 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Religous Bigotry. Please don't be fooled into thinking it is anything else.
Do they really believe in the time honored tradition of marriage and want to be
included in it? This is anti religion, and being able to project there agenda on
us.
Facts Straight | 11:48 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Hey all you Mormon haters out there did you realize that of all the people that
voted For Prop 8 not all of them were mormons. Interesting I guess it is not
just the LDS people that oppose gay marriage. I love how whent he public votes
and this is twice now in california the people that lose try everything they can
to win. Sorry people you lost, now get over it and try again sometime down the
road when again it will be voted that Marriage is between a Man and a Woman.
Keep crying and keep protesting cause everything you do is not going to change
the fact that the sanctity of marriage is between a Man and a Woman!
Interesting | 11:54 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I find it interesting to see an American Flag flying in the picture. Basically
you are protesting one groups rights to voice an opinion because it is different
than yours. So what I am really saying is put down the American Flag if you can
not and will not tolerate others rights as Americans. Your right as an American
is strictly Civil that does not include Marriage.
Heidi in Wonderland | 11:57 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Yo, Heidi,
Sadly, your protests likely will have an eventual impact. I have no doubt that gay marriage will be made legal within the next 10 years -- if not much sooner. But this is nothing to brag about. Morality continues to erode the ideals of what this great country was founded on. The ideals of the majority are dismissed to offset the risk of offending the minority -- it doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong or whether the country as a whole benefits.
At least know a little bit about what you are criticizing. African Americans were always allowed in the congregations and allowed to be members. The prophecy always was that they would one day receive the priesthood. That day arrived.
Gays already are currently allowed in the congregrations. Sexual sin -- be it gay or straight -- will never be acceptable. The day when sexual sin is allowed will never arrive.
Sadly, your protests likely will have an eventual impact. I have no doubt that gay marriage will be made legal within the next 10 years -- if not much sooner. But this is nothing to brag about. Morality continues to erode the ideals of what this great country was founded on. The ideals of the majority are dismissed to offset the risk of offending the minority -- it doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong or whether the country as a whole benefits.
At least know a little bit about what you are criticizing. African Americans were always allowed in the congregations and allowed to be members. The prophecy always was that they would one day receive the priesthood. That day arrived.
Gays already are currently allowed in the congregrations. Sexual sin -- be it gay or straight -- will never be acceptable. The day when sexual sin is allowed will never arrive.
Kelly in Cali | 12:16 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
What people fail to understand is that this issue is not about gay
relationships. We know they're not going anywhere.
If gay marriage was legal, it would be required to be taught to very young kids as part of diversity.
Can you imagine a 9yearold boy who doesn't like girls at that age, being brainwashed and told he is gay because he doesn't like girls?
First graders in SF WERE taken to a lesbian wedding. They should be in class learning to read and write instead of being indoctrinated.
Gays in CA still have all the rights of a married couple. READ CALIFORNIA FAMILY CODE 297.5 Those rights were not taken away. Just the right to call it a marriage and require it to be taught in schools.
The people in CA have TWICE said NO to gay marriage. WHAT PART OF NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
If gay marriage was legal, it would be required to be taught to very young kids as part of diversity.
Can you imagine a 9yearold boy who doesn't like girls at that age, being brainwashed and told he is gay because he doesn't like girls?
First graders in SF WERE taken to a lesbian wedding. They should be in class learning to read and write instead of being indoctrinated.
Gays in CA still have all the rights of a married couple. READ CALIFORNIA FAMILY CODE 297.5 Those rights were not taken away. Just the right to call it a marriage and require it to be taught in schools.
The people in CA have TWICE said NO to gay marriage. WHAT PART OF NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Facts vs Myths | 12:24 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Fact
In Mass. children are read fairy tales about princes marrying princes in public schools
Parents by law CANNOT opt out of gay lifestyle instruction nor are they notified ahead of time.
Catholic charities in Mass no longer place children for adoption because the gov't said they MUST place children in gay marriages. Rather than betray their morals they will adopt no children to anyone.
This demonstrates the demands of a few usurping the rights of many.
Gays in CA still have the same rights as married couples. Read it for yourself CA Family code 207.5 THIS PROTECTION WAS NOT TAKEN AWAY UNDER PROP 8.
During the few weeks gay marriage was legal, a first grade class was taken on a field trip to a lesbian wedding. Children were being indoctrinated and it didn't take long at all until it began.
In Mass. children are read fairy tales about princes marrying princes in public schools
Parents by law CANNOT opt out of gay lifestyle instruction nor are they notified ahead of time.
Catholic charities in Mass no longer place children for adoption because the gov't said they MUST place children in gay marriages. Rather than betray their morals they will adopt no children to anyone.
This demonstrates the demands of a few usurping the rights of many.
Gays in CA still have the same rights as married couples. Read it for yourself CA Family code 207.5 THIS PROTECTION WAS NOT TAKEN AWAY UNDER PROP 8.
During the few weeks gay marriage was legal, a first grade class was taken on a field trip to a lesbian wedding. Children were being indoctrinated and it didn't take long at all until it began.
Southerner | 12:27 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Gay people protesting against people in Utah for how people in California voted.
I get it now. It makes perfect sense.
I don't like to admit it | 12:30 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
But I have to side with the church and not just this church because aren't
we all suppose to stand and do what we think is right..these guys should be no
more stereotyped or generalized than what the protestors are doing to the
members. Many lds members died along with members of other denominations so that
the sacred vote could be used. There are good people here who are using that
sacred right to vote..the protestors had the same opportunity to raise funds for
the vote. The vote worked for a form of non-violent protest in itself as to
which way the people wanted things to be ran in the election of the first
african american and i am sure there were some members who voted that way with
their sacred right...you have a right to protest but no right to intimidate!
Shpank | 12:36 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I laugh at the No on 8 argument, "I don't think God
descriminates." So let's say I'm a murderer, given your logic,
he doesn't discriminate against me and wants me to continue on right, cause
he doesn't discriminate... :| murderer, non murderer, we're all the
same right?...
Hows it affect you? | 12:39 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I bet that most people reading this have never met someone who is gay. To leave
peoples rights up to the vote of people who have probably never talked with or
met anyone who is in the gay community is horrible. Does anyone else see this.
And for all those people who think being gay is a choice... How do you know? are you gay? Even though I am gonna say that it is not a choice you will not believe me. Growing up through school was hell, I lost a lot of "friends" who later realized I was no threat to their lives.
I tried so hard to be like everybody else.
And just so you know... I was raised LDS. I was baptized LDS and held the priesthood. I really liked going to church, until one day my bishop told me I was an abomination and had to be fixed. How would that make you feel? Would you still "CHOOSE" to be gay after that?
I just hope that some of you could get a better understanding of what its really like before voting on their lives. Have you been affected by any of the 16000 gay marriages?
And for all those people who think being gay is a choice... How do you know? are you gay? Even though I am gonna say that it is not a choice you will not believe me. Growing up through school was hell, I lost a lot of "friends" who later realized I was no threat to their lives.
I tried so hard to be like everybody else.
And just so you know... I was raised LDS. I was baptized LDS and held the priesthood. I really liked going to church, until one day my bishop told me I was an abomination and had to be fixed. How would that make you feel? Would you still "CHOOSE" to be gay after that?
I just hope that some of you could get a better understanding of what its really like before voting on their lives. Have you been affected by any of the 16000 gay marriages?
Laura | 12:42 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I can just imagine the families in Massachusetts wishing they had a bigger LDS
population in their state and regretting how much GUFF they gave the church for
building the Boston temple!
Now their kids are being taught homosexuality in school.
The Catholic Adoption Agency had to shut their doors in Boston because they lost their funding and tax exemptions for refusing to allow gay adoptions.
Now their kids are being taught homosexuality in school.
The Catholic Adoption Agency had to shut their doors in Boston because they lost their funding and tax exemptions for refusing to allow gay adoptions.
30 down and 20 to go | 12:53 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
30 states have marriage protection with 20 left to go. I hope the next election
in 2 years we see more states following California, Arizona and Florida in
passing marriage protection. States need to realize that the only way they will
have true protection against the homosexual onslaught on marriage is to follow
the democratic process and pass laws. This is "peaceful" war with no
compromise. Either they win or we "the people" win. The people of
California voted and won marriage protection and now the opposition once again
is attempting to erase democracy and silence the voice of the people by going to
the liberal courts. This will be an on-going fight from state to state until
marriage and moral values for society are protected across the entire nation.
Fred Vader | 1:01 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
For those LDS members who have, and will continue to rail against the prophets,
please go read Helaman 13:25-26, 38 and see what the Prophet Samuel had to say
regarding your behavior.
Enough said.
Enough said.
Roger Carrier | 1:06 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Good Times in Salt Lake wrote:
I have spend the last 20 min reading hundreds of comments for and against prop 8...I agree whats done is done...and how is this comparable to the Civil Rights movement back in the day.. Last time I checked I didnt get to choose to be born an African American...Being gay isnt a race of people..or maybe I'm just a silly Christian
Peace and Love
Would you please clarify what you meant about gays? Nobody is saying that gays are a different race, but the two groups with the longest history of discrimination are people with darker skin and gays.
If you are a Christian, please don't link your religion to a political issue. You can be against gay marriage but don't force your opinion down the the throats of others.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your letter. Thanks, Roger, a straight male, married 40 years. Gay marriage is no threat to my married. Is the marriage of Bob and Jim off in Arbuckle, California really going to destroy the country?
I have spend the last 20 min reading hundreds of comments for and against prop 8...I agree whats done is done...and how is this comparable to the Civil Rights movement back in the day.. Last time I checked I didnt get to choose to be born an African American...Being gay isnt a race of people..or maybe I'm just a silly Christian
Peace and Love
Would you please clarify what you meant about gays? Nobody is saying that gays are a different race, but the two groups with the longest history of discrimination are people with darker skin and gays.
If you are a Christian, please don't link your religion to a political issue. You can be against gay marriage but don't force your opinion down the the throats of others.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your letter. Thanks, Roger, a straight male, married 40 years. Gay marriage is no threat to my married. Is the marriage of Bob and Jim off in Arbuckle, California really going to destroy the country?
Jedediah | 1:14 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Poor picked on mormons.....you're so innocent. Just like the wolf crying
out after trying to eat little Red. Get your hands off my rights. Wow, looking
over slc papers and tv.........you have to dig deep cause anything gay or anti
mormon is hid a thousand pages back...nice whitewash you all do there.
Laura | 1:14 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
OK, after some research I found out that the Supreme Court undermined the voters
in Massachusetts by voting 4-1 in favor of gay marriage.
WE need to be voting against the Supreme Court by having so much power when the people have already spoken!!
WE need to be voting against the Supreme Court by having so much power when the people have already spoken!!
Sue | 1:15 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Im gay. Im mormon. My family loves me.
Jeffrey | 1:16 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Several of my companions were gay. Im not. I accepted them, they never hit on
me. I like to live and let live. Im sure they'll be gay all their
lives....they told me they never liked women.
@facts straight | 1:18 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
You know up tell know I have defended the LDS church and there right to engage
in the process but I am sick of the excuses, how cares those that did so that
where not LDS are just as wrong but it does not justify the LDS voters
behaviors. So say what? you want call me a hater you know what I
don�t care anymore, I am tired of defending you and your
hateful self righteous behaviors, so if that makes me a hater, how cares? you
destory peoples lifes sorry but thats hate. deal with it.
Jill | 1:18 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Wow, I cancelled my family's holiday vaction to Salt Lake. We lost some
deposits. But I don't want my kids to be around that kind of narrow
influence. The boys have a lesbian aunt who they love and respect. We're
going to some other place, out of respect for her, too.
Bob Th. | 1:20 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I read out church's information on being singled out by gays, and read
world newspapers about the same. I think we're getting what we deserve.
The animals are smarter | 1:22 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
It is in the Bible. God put Adam a(MAN) and Eve a (WOMAN) together. The animals
get it and they don't even read. What is natural is for a man and a woman
to marry. Come up with something else if you want to that can tie you together,
this concept is already taken. People who live together (without a commitment
of marriage) don't protest they should have the same rights as married
couples. I am sure there is something you could think of with all that energy
you are putting into fighting for whatever you think are your rights.
If Pro-gays Were Smart | 1:23 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
If the anti-8 crowd were smart, you'd shut up and stop protesting.
Why?
You "claim" you only want respect and to be treated as equals and that was why you wanted to be able to legally marry. "Treat us like you treat others!", you screamed.
How can you not see that after the citizens of CA voted "no" against gay marriage earlier (in 2002?) and then again "no" last week that your friends and neighbors legally, democratically voted against your wishes and now the way to garner respect is to quietly, respectfully abide by the wishes of the MAJORITY of your friends and neighbors?
It's like arguing with my wife; when I'm wrong, the more I argue the more respect she loses for me. How can she not?
And so it is with you...
Why?
You "claim" you only want respect and to be treated as equals and that was why you wanted to be able to legally marry. "Treat us like you treat others!", you screamed.
How can you not see that after the citizens of CA voted "no" against gay marriage earlier (in 2002?) and then again "no" last week that your friends and neighbors legally, democratically voted against your wishes and now the way to garner respect is to quietly, respectfully abide by the wishes of the MAJORITY of your friends and neighbors?
It's like arguing with my wife; when I'm wrong, the more I argue the more respect she loses for me. How can she not?
And so it is with you...
Mormons Rule? | 1:24 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
So what about Florida, Arizona,& Arkansas? Florida and Arizona stopped gay
marriage. Arkansas banned them from adopting. I bet it was all the mormons in
Arkansas, dirty little rats.
Fact: The majority (as witnessed in the recent and past elections) are against gay marriage.
Sure the mormons helped pass Prop 8, but people still had to go to the booths and vote and they did. NONE of the ads were deceiving or lies, let's just say they were for the sake of arguement they were, welcome to the political arena.
California Native, California Livin'
Fact: The majority (as witnessed in the recent and past elections) are against gay marriage.
Sure the mormons helped pass Prop 8, but people still had to go to the booths and vote and they did. NONE of the ads were deceiving or lies, let's just say they were for the sake of arguement they were, welcome to the political arena.
California Native, California Livin'
California Father | 1:29 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
All the protests in the world won't change the truth. Homosexuality is
sinful, but it is also unnatural, illegitimate and destructive to society. God
fearing people everywhere need to stand up for the truth. This conflict will
continue until the second coming. Making gay marriage legal is one more step in
forcing the gay agenda on the rest of us. One of the arguments for passing prop.
8 was that it would lead to conflicts and a loss of religious freedom. They
called this a big lie! So it passes and what do they do? Protest at churches
thereby attempting to restrict our religious freedom of attending church! Our
way of life is at stake, and our freedom to live our religion and teach our
children correct principles. No matter how hard they try, homosexuality will
NEVER be natural, legitimate and accepted by God.
Why Marriage? | 1:31 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Is it because domestic partnership doesn't sound as good as
"Marriage?" All "rights" are equal under the domestic
partnership laws of 2003, except you can't go get a marriage license. Do
you need it to define your "love?" Or do you need it to rationalize
or mainstream your lifestyle? The lds church has NEVER come out against
domestic partnerships or the rights of gays UNTIL they wanted to redefine
Marriage...tolerance? We've been doing it all along.
Shilo | 1:36 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
To Heidi in Wonderland,
You said, "Gays already are currently allowed in the congregrations. Sexual sin -- be it gay or straight -- will never be acceptable. The day when sexual sin is allowed will never arrive."
If sinners are not allowed in the congregations, there will be NO CONGREGATION!
I am a sinner. I don't struggle with a sexual sin, but the sins I do struggle with are no less sins. I am in the congregation.
The Church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints!
Gays are welcome in the congregation. So are adulterers. Liars are also welcome. So are thieves. Even the accessory to murder, Saul of Tarsus, was welcomed in the ancient congregations! Jesus ate and drank and socialized with such people. The Pharisees condemned Him for keeping bad company. He replied that His ministry is specifically to the sick and the lost sheep of the house of Isreal: the sinners--the sexual sinners, liars, theives, prostitutes, hypocrites, proud, arrogant, adulterers, fornicators, and even blasphemers!
ALL sinners are welcome into the congregation. ALL! Anyone who tells you otherwise is NOT teaching Jesus' doctrine!
You said, "Gays already are currently allowed in the congregrations. Sexual sin -- be it gay or straight -- will never be acceptable. The day when sexual sin is allowed will never arrive."
If sinners are not allowed in the congregations, there will be NO CONGREGATION!
I am a sinner. I don't struggle with a sexual sin, but the sins I do struggle with are no less sins. I am in the congregation.
The Church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints!
Gays are welcome in the congregation. So are adulterers. Liars are also welcome. So are thieves. Even the accessory to murder, Saul of Tarsus, was welcomed in the ancient congregations! Jesus ate and drank and socialized with such people. The Pharisees condemned Him for keeping bad company. He replied that His ministry is specifically to the sick and the lost sheep of the house of Isreal: the sinners--the sexual sinners, liars, theives, prostitutes, hypocrites, proud, arrogant, adulterers, fornicators, and even blasphemers!
ALL sinners are welcome into the congregation. ALL! Anyone who tells you otherwise is NOT teaching Jesus' doctrine!
Laura | 1:40 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I'm actually glad that this is happening because it is opening many eyes
that have been blind.
suzyk | 1:46 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
to Michelle...very good and an astute observation. Unfortunately I doubt any
will listen. You have to feel sorry for these angry and misguided men and
women. When they chose to be gay or homosexual they chose the
consequences..that's the way it is. Their lifestyle is not acceptable by
the majority and if they want to continue to live that way they may have to go
back to their closets. We don't want to see or hear about their escapades.
It is nauseating and we want to protect our families from this type of
behavior. We don't hate them, we just do not accept their choice to live
against God's will. Hopefully they will simmer down and we can start living
our lives once again without fear or their rage and behavior. That is my
prayer.
Civics Lesson 101 | 1:49 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
"FaithNoMo | 11:33 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
It's great to see that the church is being called out on the issue. Don't forget that our government is set up to protect the MINORITY. You love the majority when you are part of it."
Hey, "FaithNoMo", no, in fact our gov't is NOT set up to only "protect the minority". If it did that then the voice of the majority would mean nothing.
Hmmmm....strangely like the pro-gay crowd is trying to do now. But!, I digress...
So what IS the government established to do? They are to enact laws as voiced by the MAJORITY of the people with the Constitution being our guide and, no, nowhere in the Constitution does it say that allowing homosexual marriage is a God-given right.
It's great to see that the church is being called out on the issue. Don't forget that our government is set up to protect the MINORITY. You love the majority when you are part of it."
Hey, "FaithNoMo", no, in fact our gov't is NOT set up to only "protect the minority". If it did that then the voice of the majority would mean nothing.
Hmmmm....strangely like the pro-gay crowd is trying to do now. But!, I digress...
So what IS the government established to do? They are to enact laws as voiced by the MAJORITY of the people with the Constitution being our guide and, no, nowhere in the Constitution does it say that allowing homosexual marriage is a God-given right.
immaturity | 1:53 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
How many of you straight people went through a phase when you were in elementary
school and hated the opposite sex? Normal people grow up and mature and outgrow
that mindset. How many of you threw a temper tantrum when you were small
because someone said "no" to you? This just proves how immature the
gay population is, both sexually and emotionally.
what a laugh | 1:59 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I live in No gay marriage California. On the front page of today's paper
there was a color picutre of the protesters at the Oakland Temple. It said that
their protest closed nearby offramps for THREE AND A HALF HOURS. How stupid can
they be thinking that ticking off thousands of people who can't get from
point a to point b because of their childish ranting and ravings, is going to
help their cause. Last night on the news it said a different protest also
disrupted traffic. Keep it up. We are not threatened by you. We KNOW who is on
our side.
The judges in California | 2:06 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The ignorance continues ---
To those who label the Supreme Court of California to be liberal judges, read up... These were the judges who overturned Prop 22.
Ronald M. George, (since 1991), appointed by Gov. Wilson; elevated to Chief Justice in 1996
Marvin R. Baxter, (since 1991), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Deukmejian
Ming W. Chin, (since 1996), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Wilson
Carol A. Corrigan, (since 2006), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Schwarzenegger
Joyce L. Kennard, (since 1989), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Deukmejian
Carlos R. Moreno, (since 2001), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Davis
Kathryn Mickle Werdegar, (since 1994), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Wilson
Makeup of the Court
Six justices were appointed by Republicans (George, Kennard, Baxter, Werdegar, Chin, and Corrigan) and one by a Democrat, Moreno.
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To LDS who feel singled-out and Mormon-bashed --- (sorry) --- in the same vein that you feel the democratic process is in place by voting ---
* marching is also democratic
* taking the issue to court is also democratic
* voicing our opinion is also democratic
* calling those who sponsored the issue in a free debate is also democratic
To those who label the Supreme Court of California to be liberal judges, read up... These were the judges who overturned Prop 22.
Ronald M. George, (since 1991), appointed by Gov. Wilson; elevated to Chief Justice in 1996
Marvin R. Baxter, (since 1991), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Deukmejian
Ming W. Chin, (since 1996), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Wilson
Carol A. Corrigan, (since 2006), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Schwarzenegger
Joyce L. Kennard, (since 1989), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Deukmejian
Carlos R. Moreno, (since 2001), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Davis
Kathryn Mickle Werdegar, (since 1994), Associate Justice; appointed by Gov. Wilson
Makeup of the Court
Six justices were appointed by Republicans (George, Kennard, Baxter, Werdegar, Chin, and Corrigan) and one by a Democrat, Moreno.
- - - -
To LDS who feel singled-out and Mormon-bashed --- (sorry) --- in the same vein that you feel the democratic process is in place by voting ---
* marching is also democratic
* taking the issue to court is also democratic
* voicing our opinion is also democratic
* calling those who sponsored the issue in a free debate is also democratic
Just a Dad | 2:11 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
LDS Father of four young children in Utah. Gays have the right to marry who
they want, just like the rest of us. Religion has no right in Voting stations.
Some of you that voted against Prop 8 will be denying some of your own childrens
gay rights, you just dont know it yet. And when it happens, you just may regret
it.
Besides, our falling economy, housing market, crashing dollar, loss of jobs, and much more crisis should be a greater issue than just another American way of trampling over peoples rights. Let the gay community be. Lets worry about our country and our own problems in our OWN homes. And nothing more.
Besides, our falling economy, housing market, crashing dollar, loss of jobs, and much more crisis should be a greater issue than just another American way of trampling over peoples rights. Let the gay community be. Lets worry about our country and our own problems in our OWN homes. And nothing more.
Just a Dad | 2:15 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Correction: Those that voted for Prop 8.
What is there to debate? Nothing | 2:20 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
To Roger Carrier,
You said, "I don�t see for the life of me how gay marriage hurts anybody�s marriage."
That's understandable. If you can't see how changing the definition of marriage affects society and the fundamental institutions of marriage and the family, then fine, but you are the last person who should then speak for anybody else's marriage. No offense.
You also say, "If a church or person doesn�t believe in it, then fine. But don�t pass laws against it."
If marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, being gay does not exclude anyone from that definition. No law has been passed against gays marrying. But with how much debate there is on the matter, apparently an ammendment clearly defining the law was very necessary.
It is done. This is yesterday's news. It just proved to be a matter of democracy running its course. Now that it has, it is clear that the decision upholds marriage as being between a man and a woman, without discriminating against any civil rights. Other unions may still lobby for benefits that government may have attached to marriage (But government benefits don't define marriage, either).
You said, "I don�t see for the life of me how gay marriage hurts anybody�s marriage."
That's understandable. If you can't see how changing the definition of marriage affects society and the fundamental institutions of marriage and the family, then fine, but you are the last person who should then speak for anybody else's marriage. No offense.
You also say, "If a church or person doesn�t believe in it, then fine. But don�t pass laws against it."
If marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, being gay does not exclude anyone from that definition. No law has been passed against gays marrying. But with how much debate there is on the matter, apparently an ammendment clearly defining the law was very necessary.
It is done. This is yesterday's news. It just proved to be a matter of democracy running its course. Now that it has, it is clear that the decision upholds marriage as being between a man and a woman, without discriminating against any civil rights. Other unions may still lobby for benefits that government may have attached to marriage (But government benefits don't define marriage, either).
To Laura: | 2:25 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
"The Catholic Adoption Agency had to shut their doors in Boston because they lost their funding and tax exemptions for refusing to allow gay adoptions"
They chose to shut their doors. They did not lose their funding. If they stayed open, they needed to do same-sex adoptions because they take public funds.
I think this is the type of "erroneous information" lds.org said was coming from the no on 8 side.
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