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Aaron | 5:30 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It's a hate crime if you do something to gay or lesbian, but is it a hate
crime if they do something to you?
John Pack Lambert | 5:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To lcky,
There are two ideas that cross my mind.
One is we need to learn from Jesus and respond to hate with love. This is particularly difficult when people boast of their abandoning the faith, but I applaud the many people who have managed to do such.
The second, is stop stooping to their level. I probably have done it too often, but we must learn that a soft answer turneth away wrath.
There are two ideas that cross my mind.
One is we need to learn from Jesus and respond to hate with love. This is particularly difficult when people boast of their abandoning the faith, but I applaud the many people who have managed to do such.
The second, is stop stooping to their level. I probably have done it too often, but we must learn that a soft answer turneth away wrath.
Anonymous | 5:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I also believe that homosexuality is a behavioral issue. I share this personal
belief because I have learned from personal experience. I was having all these
feelings that I struggled with in the church up until serving a full time
mission.
Through the help of a loving Bishop, I was able to overcome it by slowly changing behaviors and through striving to live a life centered on the Savior. I have since married in the temple and I have three wonderful children. I have never looked back. I have my bad days but didn't Paul have his "thorn in the flesh?" Over the years it has diminished.
I know there are more of us out there who have struggled and overcome. This issue is still a taboo in the church which is why you never hear about it in Priesthood like "well, there was that time I use to smoke." Because of this, people think that it is impossible to change and they focus on those brethren who completely give up. On both sides, we need to be more considerate, gracious, less judgement, less arrogant, and less obnoxious. We are all children of God.
Through the help of a loving Bishop, I was able to overcome it by slowly changing behaviors and through striving to live a life centered on the Savior. I have since married in the temple and I have three wonderful children. I have never looked back. I have my bad days but didn't Paul have his "thorn in the flesh?" Over the years it has diminished.
I know there are more of us out there who have struggled and overcome. This issue is still a taboo in the church which is why you never hear about it in Priesthood like "well, there was that time I use to smoke." Because of this, people think that it is impossible to change and they focus on those brethren who completely give up. On both sides, we need to be more considerate, gracious, less judgement, less arrogant, and less obnoxious. We are all children of God.
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John Pack Lambert | 5:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To the 8:07 commentator,
The skin of blackness refered to in the Book of Mormon is figurative, not literal. Go to the website blacklds and you will be directed to an article where the author clearly demonstrates that white and black are figurative terms in the scriptures.
This is why I have began the campaign to decolorize race. I invite all to join me in using only European-American, Native American, African-American, and related terms and ending any use of color in refering to ethnic origin.
The skin of blackness refered to in the Book of Mormon is figurative, not literal. Go to the website blacklds and you will be directed to an article where the author clearly demonstrates that white and black are figurative terms in the scriptures.
This is why I have began the campaign to decolorize race. I invite all to join me in using only European-American, Native American, African-American, and related terms and ending any use of color in refering to ethnic origin.
John Pack Lambert | 5:44 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
TO Jeff Jacobburger,
Most of the funds were donated by members of the LDS Church in California. It was California, not Utah people who held ralies, put up signs, walked the neighborhoods, manned phone banks and got cursed at, beat, had property vandalized, signs stolen and destoyed, hateful messages on vihecles parked in front of their house which the police refused to remove for 72 hours and bloggers cheered on.
It has been the California LDS who have fought the fight and suffered the hate. THere was support and aid from members of the church elsewhere, but the vast majority of the effort and resouces were put up by members living in California.
Most of the funds were donated by members of the LDS Church in California. It was California, not Utah people who held ralies, put up signs, walked the neighborhoods, manned phone banks and got cursed at, beat, had property vandalized, signs stolen and destoyed, hateful messages on vihecles parked in front of their house which the police refused to remove for 72 hours and bloggers cheered on.
It has been the California LDS who have fought the fight and suffered the hate. THere was support and aid from members of the church elsewhere, but the vast majority of the effort and resouces were put up by members living in California.
John Pack Lambert | 5:53 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am not sure why someone brought up Obama's birth cirtificate on this
website. However, it does not matter where he was born. Since his mother was
an American citizen he was an American citizen even if he was not born in
Hawaii.
The claim that this was not a legitimate admendment is a frivolous suit. There are multiple precedents that are so exactly like this that the argument should not even be heard by the courts. It is a vexatious law suit.
The claim that this was not a legitimate admendment is a frivolous suit. There are multiple precedents that are so exactly like this that the argument should not even be heard by the courts. It is a vexatious law suit.
John Pack Lambert | 5:58 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To Brandon at 12:36,
It was the no on 8 people who were threatening to kill Slavs with their calls and demanding that all Slavic immigrants supporting Prop 8 go back to the oppresive dictatorships in the countries they were born in.
Somehow I think those people were the xenophobes.
It was the no on 8 people who were threatening to kill Slavs with their calls and demanding that all Slavic immigrants supporting Prop 8 go back to the oppresive dictatorships in the countries they were born in.
Somehow I think those people were the xenophobes.
SoCal Family | 6:11 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Okay, so GLBT are protesting the Mormons because they are bigots for standing up
for what they believe in. Yet we can't call them bigots? We are being
protested against because we gave money to support something we believe in. Can
I go to anyone that supports gays (Apple Computer) and protest they are hate
mongers because they donated money to something that I don't believe in. It
is amazing how closed minded these people can be, yet claim we LDS are closed
minded. Why aren't there protest in Florida, Arizona, etc. Gays outnumber
LDS in California, yet Prop 8 passed because of the LDS. Think again, it passed
because the people believe it is immoral and wrong. The majority of the people.
John Pack Lambert | 6:12 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To Chris,
The First Presidency endorsed the Civil Rights movement.
Sadly for a time inter-racial marriage was illegal in Utah. However, laws against inter-racial marriage were repealed by the Utah legislature, unlike about ten or so states where they were repealed by Loving v. Virginia.
George Romney, Mitt's father, participated in a pro-integration march in Groose Point.
Learn history before you start mouthing off about it.
The First Presidency endorsed the Civil Rights movement.
Sadly for a time inter-racial marriage was illegal in Utah. However, laws against inter-racial marriage were repealed by the Utah legislature, unlike about ten or so states where they were repealed by Loving v. Virginia.
George Romney, Mitt's father, participated in a pro-integration march in Groose Point.
Learn history before you start mouthing off about it.
Skippy | 6:14 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Yes, the people have spoken. Why else would proposition 8 be supported?
John Pack Lambert | 6:22 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
In support of Julie,
In fact I am 90% sure that the Book of Mormon NEVER uses race to describe groups of people.
It never uses the term "white race" or "black race". Even in second Nephi where it speaks about God deney none who come unto him, black or white, there are very credible arguments that this has no reference to the false racial diachotomy that we still live under in our country.
In fact it makes no sense that it would. Nephi did not live in a world of such racial diacotomy, although he probably did make converts on the journey through Arabia, so by the time they got on board the ship there were adittional people. I learned this from reading something by S. Kent Brown, but it is sitting there in the Doctrine and Covenants. At least that is what the passage seems most likely to be suggesting.
Even for those people who deney the Book of Mormon's ancient origins, they have to remember that there were way more Native Americans than African-Americans in western New York in the 1820s.
In fact I am 90% sure that the Book of Mormon NEVER uses race to describe groups of people.
It never uses the term "white race" or "black race". Even in second Nephi where it speaks about God deney none who come unto him, black or white, there are very credible arguments that this has no reference to the false racial diachotomy that we still live under in our country.
In fact it makes no sense that it would. Nephi did not live in a world of such racial diacotomy, although he probably did make converts on the journey through Arabia, so by the time they got on board the ship there were adittional people. I learned this from reading something by S. Kent Brown, but it is sitting there in the Doctrine and Covenants. At least that is what the passage seems most likely to be suggesting.
Even for those people who deney the Book of Mormon's ancient origins, they have to remember that there were way more Native Americans than African-Americans in western New York in the 1820s.
So Sad | 6:28 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am so sad to see all this hatred towards the Mormon church. It is amazing how
people can be so easily swayed to believe that it was the Mormon church...very
misguided groups protesters need to realize there are many religions involved in
this proposition. I also love the protesters that think illegal activity
against the church members is ok...I guess tolerance is only a one way street.
Talk about Hypocrites!!! To those people who have chosen to leave - that was
their choice - but we pray for you. I also love the claims that the church
created this hysteria...what planet do you live on? It is just easy for no
people to hate mormons than to hate other religions...so sad and so misguided!
John Pack Lambert | 6:29 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Following K,
Now that you mention it, I do recall there are some groups in California that perpetually mock the Catholic Church.
Maybe there are protests against the Catholics, they have just become so common they are not reported.
I am sickened by the amount of crudeness and irreverence that exists in our society.
Now that you mention it, I do recall there are some groups in California that perpetually mock the Catholic Church.
Maybe there are protests against the Catholics, they have just become so common they are not reported.
I am sickened by the amount of crudeness and irreverence that exists in our society.
John Pack Lambert | 6:40 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To the 12:19 commentator,
The Catholic Church has never denied the Christianity of the LDS Church.
The Church did not have people from Utah man phone banks. Even when they considered it it would have been students from California attending school in Utah doing the phone bank manning.
The LDS Church did not take this stand to prove they were Christian, but because marriage is central to our theology. Read "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" and you might, just might, began to understand.
The Catholic Church has never denied the Christianity of the LDS Church.
The Church did not have people from Utah man phone banks. Even when they considered it it would have been students from California attending school in Utah doing the phone bank manning.
The LDS Church did not take this stand to prove they were Christian, but because marriage is central to our theology. Read "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" and you might, just might, began to understand.
Hippocrits | 6:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Where do I sign up for the Presidential Election riots and protests?
John Pack Lambert | 6:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
There is no law against a church stating its position on any policy. Such a
law would violate the principal of Free Speech in the First Admendment.
Why Temple Square you ask? | 6:56 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I worry when I read people quoting LDS scripture and in the same breath saying
"gays should be stopped". Exactly just how do you plan on
"stopping" gays? Imprisonment? Exile? Euthanasia? Why do I have
reoccurring visions of LDS faithful cheerfully singing "God be with you
till we meet again" as they load Gays and Lesbians into boxcars?
The LDS Church can issue carefully worded media statements all day, but eventually they will have to answer for their historical (and current) persecution of it's gay members.
Many of these postings keep repeating that gays have every right that heterosexuals have. In California they at least have civil unions. But here in LDS controlled Utah, Amendment Three outlawed anything that remotely looks like marriage, so Gays have absolutely no legal recognition for their relationships or families.
In Utah Gays can be fired from their jobs, or thrown out of their housing without recourse just for being gay. No gay attacker has ever been prosecuted using Utah's worthless Hate Crime enhancement. Gay partners of servicemen and women can't go to their send offs/homecomings for risk of jeopardizing their careers and losing benefits. And so on...
How fair or equal is that?
The LDS Church can issue carefully worded media statements all day, but eventually they will have to answer for their historical (and current) persecution of it's gay members.
Many of these postings keep repeating that gays have every right that heterosexuals have. In California they at least have civil unions. But here in LDS controlled Utah, Amendment Three outlawed anything that remotely looks like marriage, so Gays have absolutely no legal recognition for their relationships or families.
In Utah Gays can be fired from their jobs, or thrown out of their housing without recourse just for being gay. No gay attacker has ever been prosecuted using Utah's worthless Hate Crime enhancement. Gay partners of servicemen and women can't go to their send offs/homecomings for risk of jeopardizing their careers and losing benefits. And so on...
How fair or equal is that?
Vegas Mom | 7:05 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am so upset. My brother-in-law is gay and was ex-communicated becasue he
CHOSE to leave the church and live his life as a homosexual. We don't love
him any less but do agree that he was ex'd. If you goin an organization
that has certain rules or covenents and you agree to them at baptism then you
are agreeing to keep and charish them. He didn't so out you go.
We are the true church of Jesuschrist and so we will always be the ones that get the blunt end of the stick.
I am married for time and all eternity and I pitty anyone who cannot feel this fullfillment in their lives.
"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"
At the same time, I am not turning the other cheek. I am ready to fight and get the armor of the Lord on and go kick some butt!!!! Don't mess with MY church!!!!!
We are the true church of Jesuschrist and so we will always be the ones that get the blunt end of the stick.
I am married for time and all eternity and I pitty anyone who cannot feel this fullfillment in their lives.
"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"
At the same time, I am not turning the other cheek. I am ready to fight and get the armor of the Lord on and go kick some butt!!!! Don't mess with MY church!!!!!
Silverlaker | 7:05 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Mormon church members were the largest single group of contributors to the yes
on 8 campaign, by far. This is exactly why the temple was chosen as a site of
protest. The money funded a dishonest campaign to have discrimination written
into the constitution of California. The first time existing rights were
actually removed. They should be ashamed and embarrassed. The constitution
provides for protection of the minority from the tyranny of the majority.
LGBT in California do not want to be married in a mormon temple or church. We hear 'we love you, it's the sin we hate'. If you love us so much, just leave us alone and stop imposing your religious dogma on us. This is the third civil rights issue the church is on the wrong side of in the past three decades: The ERA, equality in the church for those of African descent and now this.
LGBT in California do not want to be married in a mormon temple or church. We hear 'we love you, it's the sin we hate'. If you love us so much, just leave us alone and stop imposing your religious dogma on us. This is the third civil rights issue the church is on the wrong side of in the past three decades: The ERA, equality in the church for those of African descent and now this.
Both sides are wrong | 7:10 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Both side have been out of control. Individuals for prop 8 cursed, threw
bottles and raged. Individual against prop 8 cursed, yelled, threw bottles and
raged. I was there and saw it. When the Church had tele-conferences and
preached for this prop. they essentially became a lightening rod. When you
build a lightening rod do not be surprised when it strikes. Church leadership
has to take some responsibility to come forward and stop the hysteria. They
would bring peace. Real leaders would do that. Jesus would do that.
Clint | 7:10 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Living among the Saints, I would have to say now you have exposed your
viciousness to the world. What once was a Utah phenom is now a national phenom.
Great that you are now exposed and people truly see you for who you are.
BTW, I look foward to marrying in the temple some day, even if it is to just mock. This will be overturned.
BTW, I look foward to marrying in the temple some day, even if it is to just mock. This will be overturned.
Crowd estimate | 7:31 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This article underestimates the number of demonstrators. The LA media reported
the crowd between 3000 and 5000. I was there and it was a beautiful sight.
Especially after the protest when all of the signs were hung on the massive wall
fronting the temple grounds. At the start of the protest before the traffic was
blocked, car after car drove by honking in approval.
Ask | 7:52 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I think the gays need to petition God to see if He will allow them to marry. If
He agrees than I'm fine with it.
After that, maybe you can ask Him to help you guys procreate.
After that, maybe you can ask Him to help you guys procreate.
Carolyn Hepworth | 8:07 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
We believe in revelation. If God said NO then we better listen. There was
another time when sodomites chose not to listen to God. Genesis 19 gives us a
reminder. If we make unwise choices, we must pay the consequence. Nothing can
be quite as bad as the wrath of God, our Father.
victorious | 8:20 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This just shows we have a greater god and this is his way morman or not and no
matter how many times gays or lesbians activist try to fight this law obviously
its a losing fight they just need to give up.The people have spoke so accept it.
to casual observer | 8:51 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Just because you felt drawn to the opposite sex at an early age DOES NOT MAKE
YOU GAY. Helloooo, most kids at some point think the opposite sex has cooties.
Normal people mature and outgrow that mindset.
Nate | 9:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Where can I make a money contribution to these protestors? Does anybody know?
Anonymous | 9:20 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I live in CA and read a very interesting article. A polling agency asked if
people would vote yes or no on prop 8 most said no. When asked would you oppose
or favor gay marriage, most said they'd oppose it. Some thought no meant
no gay marriage, when in reality a yes vote opposed gay marriage. Interesting
that the numbers flip flopped when people clearly knew what the question was.
Brad | 9:45 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Being a California Mormon, I didn't realize that we had so much clout with
almost 5 million Californians and single handily got prop 8 passed all by
ourselves.
sashabill | 10:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Same Sex marriage, being a pattern of action and behavior, is by definition open
to the making of moral or value judgments, and religious denominations are well
within their rights to make such judgments and advocate them. It is laughable
that those who talk of tolerance and diversity are the same people who shout
"bigot" and "homophobe" at the drop of a hat whenever
anybody disagrees with them. They speak of separation of church and state, yet
they raise no such complaint regarding those churches, such as the Unitarians,
which advocate same sex marriage and opposed Proposition 8.(As a Mormon and
former Unitarian I find this especially amusing.) They tell us not to force our
morals over on others, yet they didn't mind trying to force their morals
over on the Boy Scouts. Their position, in short reeks of politically correct
hypocrisy. I am proud of the LDS Church and others for standing up for what they
believed in, and I am proud to be a part of it.
A "Little" Evil Doesn't Exist | 10:57 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
There's no such thing as a "little" evil.
Do it once, Satan will say "do it again".
Then again, and again, and again and then it becomes a part of you and then it become everything about who you are.
Want proof?
Look at the "peaceful", "tolerant" pro-homosexual crowd 3 days after CA passed Proposition 8.
What a bunch of hysterically whiny and selfish human beings!; content only to attack anything and everyone who doesn't agree to assauge their guilt for their wickedness.
They proclaim their tolerance and acceptance of those who are different from them from the roof tops and that they would neeeeever even think about being unkind because, hey, they've been treated soooo badly by the cruel, big meanies from the heterosexual crowd.
But then their fellow citizens shoot them down 0 for 3 in CA, AZ and FL this week and they go berzerk.
You want our respect? Earn it! Earn it by understanding that we do NOT have to let you redefine the basic unit of our country, the family, just because "you want to".
Want to be homosexual? Be homosexual but then let us all live in peace.
Do it once, Satan will say "do it again".
Then again, and again, and again and then it becomes a part of you and then it become everything about who you are.
Want proof?
Look at the "peaceful", "tolerant" pro-homosexual crowd 3 days after CA passed Proposition 8.
What a bunch of hysterically whiny and selfish human beings!; content only to attack anything and everyone who doesn't agree to assauge their guilt for their wickedness.
They proclaim their tolerance and acceptance of those who are different from them from the roof tops and that they would neeeeever even think about being unkind because, hey, they've been treated soooo badly by the cruel, big meanies from the heterosexual crowd.
But then their fellow citizens shoot them down 0 for 3 in CA, AZ and FL this week and they go berzerk.
You want our respect? Earn it! Earn it by understanding that we do NOT have to let you redefine the basic unit of our country, the family, just because "you want to".
Want to be homosexual? Be homosexual but then let us all live in peace.
Scott | 10:59 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Wow the Gays and Gay rights people are being very intolerant towards Mormons.
Guess what Rainbow coalition people, if you can't respect the Mormons you won't get any respect yourself.
Guess what Rainbow coalition people, if you can't respect the Mormons you won't get any respect yourself.
Thanks | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Special thanks to some of our Samoan brothers and sisters who ripped down the
protestors signs at the LA Temple last night. Proud to be an American
� Proud to be LDS!!
Smart Guy, That Nephi... | 11:03 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
"Wo unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!"
Book of Mormon, 2nd Nephi 15:20
The caravan moves on....
Book of Mormon, 2nd Nephi 15:20
The caravan moves on....
Enough Already | 11:34 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It's a democracy, or it was November 4. Majority rules, I thought. And this
issue has been voted on twice now, TWICE. Since when is it a crime to vote
"yes" on prop 8? When is it a crime to exercise free speech? When is
it a crime to donate money and time to a cause you believe in? Why do
"protesters" vandalize churches, threaten others, file frivilous court
challenges to propositions approved my the majority? If the attacks were
directed at the Jews or Catholics, it would be huge, but when attacks are
directed at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, police seem slow to
respond. Why? Don't talk about tolerance. Don't talk about freedom.
Don't talk about agendas. Just because members of a church, any church, or
a coalition of members of various churches, stand up for something they believe
in, this is somehow worthy of vandalism, protests, screams of
"biggot". Review California code 297.5, it's not about
"rights" it's about an in your face group of people wanting to
impose their belief system on others...others who do not want to take it any
more have spoken, twice now.
there are more important things | 11:47 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This was a CA election the People in CA voted and the voted NO deal with it.
People need to care about real problems like the economy going down the toilet.
And unemployment real things that really matter.
To Silverlake: | 11:55 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Please enlighten us on what "discrimination (was) written into the
constitution of California." Prop 8 says, "Only marriage between a
man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Perhaps you are
confused by the way Attorney General Jerry Brown wrote up its characterization
on the ballot. Just because he said it took away rights doesn't mean it is
so. Read the fourteen words of the amendment yourself. You don't need
some attorney to tell you what those words mean.
To Silverlaker: | 12:10 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
"The first time existing rights were actually removed." You mean the
rights that existed for all of five months? The rights that sprang up out of no
where in a 4-3 vote by the California Supreme Court? So one attorney donning a
black robe (which makes him a judge, along with his appointment by the
governor)magically has all the wisdom of the ages and turns a 3-3 tie into a new
right that were never seen before by all the other smart lawyers and judges and
all the voters. Amazing! And it only took him 121 pages in In
re Marriage Cases to tell us all that. Poor judge, I guess he forgot to get one
of his clerks that drafted that mess to put in the new definition of marriage so
we wouldn't be having these endless conversations.
Which way is up | 12:34 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
"I live in CA and read a very interesting article. A polling agency asked
if people would vote yes or no on prop 8 most said no. When asked would you
oppose or favor gay marriage, most said they'd oppose it. Some thought no
meant no gay marriage, when in reality a yes vote opposed gay marriage.
Interesting that the numbers flip flopped when people clearly knew what the
question was."
so the news reports are correct -that the religious and the uneducated were the ones who voted for prop 8. How difficult was it to know which side of the proposition was which?
so the news reports are correct -that the religious and the uneducated were the ones who voted for prop 8. How difficult was it to know which side of the proposition was which?
Thanks | 12:49 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Very interesting and long "discussion". I Just want to thank the
Mormon Church for sticking their necks out in spite of all the opposition. It
was a courageous and right thing to do and will make the world a better place.
follow God not the natural man | 1:23 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
if being gay was the right thing to do in Gods eyes then two men would be able
to make a baby or two woman together would be able to make a baby. if everyone
was gay it would be the end of the world. if men only slept with men and women
with woman no more babys unless of course you went against your nature to
procreate and wouldnt that be cheating. if this perversion of nature passed,
next would be my sheep really loves me and I love her we have the right to get
married. where would it stop?
Ask the innocent | 1:50 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
my sister is gay I did not want my childern about her or even what gay was. my
little kids used to ask was their aunt was a boy or a girl? I finally told my
son when he was about 8 or 9 I wanted to see what an innocent child of God
thought. now rember he did not know what gay was. I said well gay is when two
men love each other like mommy and Daddy, or two woman love each other like
Mommy and Daddy. with no hesatation he looked at me and said thats sick!out of
the mouth of babes.
DUH! | 6:05 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
the protests are more than called for...
Note to LDS church: When you get involved politically, you will have protests... DUH!
Note to LDS church: When you get involved politically, you will have protests... DUH!
to: Ask the Innocent | 6:14 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
When your child responded "that's sick"
was he refering to
two men together
or
two women together
or
His Mommy and Daddy together?
was he refering to
two men together
or
two women together
or
His Mommy and Daddy together?
uplatetonight | 7:47 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As for the protests at the Oakland Temple. There is one scheduled for today and
I can bet they will also try tomorrow.
There is a large stake center attached so these people (rainbow cooalition) will shouting horrible hate filled rants at CHILDREN as they attend church with their families. Is sure hope that someone gets a good video shot of them harrassing children! It would be a real shocker though if we could get that shot on National TV. It would show the TRUE nature of these hate filled groups.
I am a SOCAL girl living in NORCAL and I have seen the hate for LDS in this state for years. It's not a surprise. We have been warned for years that the time will come when the weak shall fall away and we shall have to defend our faith and out families from hatred, bigotry and violence.
As a mother of 3, I plan on taking every chance I get to protect them and raise them in the faith I know to be correct. Your shouting only makes my resolve stronger.
There is a large stake center attached so these people (rainbow cooalition) will shouting horrible hate filled rants at CHILDREN as they attend church with their families. Is sure hope that someone gets a good video shot of them harrassing children! It would be a real shocker though if we could get that shot on National TV. It would show the TRUE nature of these hate filled groups.
I am a SOCAL girl living in NORCAL and I have seen the hate for LDS in this state for years. It's not a surprise. We have been warned for years that the time will come when the weak shall fall away and we shall have to defend our faith and out families from hatred, bigotry and violence.
As a mother of 3, I plan on taking every chance I get to protect them and raise them in the faith I know to be correct. Your shouting only makes my resolve stronger.
Bob | 7:59 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Would they have accepted the result if they had won?....that's what voting
is all about.....you accept your wins and your losses....not to say you
can't work to bring the issue up again....not to say you can't
re-state your argument in a more acceptable way...you still have your rights
under our constitution....lawful protest is one of them...we all must play by
the rules or we no longer have civilization, we have anarchy..then who
wins....we all know the answer to that one...just like in this presidential
election...Obama won because he (largely) did not use the vicious twisted
tactics of the opposition...I voted for him largely because of that
issue...fairness does out
Jack Mormon | 9:39 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I'm not he most active member in the church and I have a few close friends
that are jacks like myself...of our own choice we may not be what we should be
but, we are still good enough people to know wrong from right....and, there are
a lot of us that still hang on to our basic beliefs and the basic teachings that
we have received within our own families and through the church. If push comes
to shove, any outside attack against the body of the church will see many of us
of the luke warm variety of Mormons, speedily returning and standing with our
brothers and sisters through whatever scourge this corrupt and immoral world and
it's bands of Gadiaton Robbers or bands of immoral deviants wants to throw
at us.
Have your little protests and do your little dance,... then don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Have your little protests and do your little dance,... then don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Anonymous | 10:00 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Ammending the constitution to preemt any sector of our society from legitimately
seeking the benefits of equal rights and protections under the law is
fundamentally wrong and antithetical to the purposes of the US Constition
itself.
Boyd Henderson | 10:46 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Plain and Simple,
Just because a couple cannot reproduce is no reason to condemn them as immoral, inferior, or otherwise inappropriate for �true marriage�.
God defined marriage. God said, �It is not good for man to be alone.� THAT �commandment� was given even before the commandment to �multiply and replenish the earth�.
Marriage is about companionship � �it is not good for man to be alone� � prior to anything else. Couples are first and foremost couples, not parents or prospective parents!
Same-sex marriage fulfills this first and primary �commandment� of God: to NOT be alone. That is all the value to society marriage needs to provide. That alone deserves protection as a fundamental civil right for ALL individuals.
Thus sayeth God: Man was not meant to be alone. Marriage is divinely ordained to answer this eternal principle of human existence, for man to not be alone.
Condemning a fellow child of God to being alone by outlawing their right to overcome fundamental loneliness through marriage, and assigning them a status as second-class citizens because they don�t overcome loneliness in the same way YOU do is fundamentally inhumane and contrary to the will of God!
Just because a couple cannot reproduce is no reason to condemn them as immoral, inferior, or otherwise inappropriate for �true marriage�.
God defined marriage. God said, �It is not good for man to be alone.� THAT �commandment� was given even before the commandment to �multiply and replenish the earth�.
Marriage is about companionship � �it is not good for man to be alone� � prior to anything else. Couples are first and foremost couples, not parents or prospective parents!
Same-sex marriage fulfills this first and primary �commandment� of God: to NOT be alone. That is all the value to society marriage needs to provide. That alone deserves protection as a fundamental civil right for ALL individuals.
Thus sayeth God: Man was not meant to be alone. Marriage is divinely ordained to answer this eternal principle of human existence, for man to not be alone.
Condemning a fellow child of God to being alone by outlawing their right to overcome fundamental loneliness through marriage, and assigning them a status as second-class citizens because they don�t overcome loneliness in the same way YOU do is fundamentally inhumane and contrary to the will of God!
Vive la difference | 11:10 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
One's sexual orientation is not a lifestyle choice, or else we
wouldn't have so many people suffering so much; they'd all simply
"convert" to being straight. It's just not that simple.
The struggle for civil rights will continue as long as there are those of us who recognize that "other" is not a bad thing, that how someone does or does not engage in sex, or the color of one's skin, does not take away from their essential humanity. It may take a while longer to open more minds and hearts, but we shall continue. We shall overcome.
I belong to a church that opposed Prop 8, and I'm darn proud of my UU church community, a church that's been around for hundreds of years and has had prominent members like John Adams and Ralph Waldo Emerson. The first two of our seven UU principles are:
The inherent worth and dignity of every person; and
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.
~Peace~
The struggle for civil rights will continue as long as there are those of us who recognize that "other" is not a bad thing, that how someone does or does not engage in sex, or the color of one's skin, does not take away from their essential humanity. It may take a while longer to open more minds and hearts, but we shall continue. We shall overcome.
I belong to a church that opposed Prop 8, and I'm darn proud of my UU church community, a church that's been around for hundreds of years and has had prominent members like John Adams and Ralph Waldo Emerson. The first two of our seven UU principles are:
The inherent worth and dignity of every person; and
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.
~Peace~
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