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Von Richtsofer | 9:55 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm now glad I moved out of California when I did. Same thing happened
with Prop 22. It was defeated people. You want equality? Make a new
proposition for the next election; quit whining about the past, you lost! Give
it time; Prop 22 was passed with over 30% of votes, Prop 8 with less then 5%.
Change will come...but not now.
Tolerance??? | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
If things don't go my way, I am going to throw things, deface property and
call people names. If they still don't go my way, I am going to file law
suits.
If they still don't go my way, I am going to throw things, deface property and call people names.
I am tolerant.
If they still don't go my way, I am going to throw things, deface property and call people names.
I am tolerant.
George | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
There seems to be a lot of questions here about the homosexual lifestyle and the
homosexual agenda. As a gay man, may I set the record straight (no pun
intended)?
The Gay Lifestyle: Get up, go to work, come home to chores around the house, relax, go to bed.
The Gay Agenda: To have the best yard and garden on the block. (Gays love to garden!) In fact, you can often tell where the gays live just be looking at the yard. But before you make any judgments, beware - I know of some churches with equally good gardens - their members, too - and they would not want to be associated with the Agenda.
I hope this clears things up.
The Gay Lifestyle: Get up, go to work, come home to chores around the house, relax, go to bed.
The Gay Agenda: To have the best yard and garden on the block. (Gays love to garden!) In fact, you can often tell where the gays live just be looking at the yard. But before you make any judgments, beware - I know of some churches with equally good gardens - their members, too - and they would not want to be associated with the Agenda.
I hope this clears things up.
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To Major Error | 10:14 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
"The Church will regret it's decision to so vehemently back
Proposition 8. They marshaled all of their resources to stick a finger in the
dam."
Funny you should mention this. The Church itself did little more than encourage its members to put their money and efforts behind Prop 8. None of the church's actual resources were spent in this fight. It was all the initiative taken by individual members. The Church will continue to promote this fight as long as such measures arise on the ballot. In all likelihood, one day a similar measure will fail (it came close even this time), but at least everyone will know where the Church stands. I wouldn't necessarily expect you to understand this, but marriage being between a man and a woman is arguably a key part of one of the most fundamental truths to many members of the Church--the importance of the family unit, and of our ancestors and progeny. We have as much right to voice our opinion as you do yours.
Funny you should mention this. The Church itself did little more than encourage its members to put their money and efforts behind Prop 8. None of the church's actual resources were spent in this fight. It was all the initiative taken by individual members. The Church will continue to promote this fight as long as such measures arise on the ballot. In all likelihood, one day a similar measure will fail (it came close even this time), but at least everyone will know where the Church stands. I wouldn't necessarily expect you to understand this, but marriage being between a man and a woman is arguably a key part of one of the most fundamental truths to many members of the Church--the importance of the family unit, and of our ancestors and progeny. We have as much right to voice our opinion as you do yours.
LDS efforts completely justified | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I believe the Church's efforts to promote Yes for Proposition 8 reflect its
civil and moral rights according to the laws of our country. We have as much
right to exercise freedom of speech under the First Amendment that every other
citizen has. Proponents of gay marriage who criticize us are essentially trying
to deny us the very rights that they and every other american should enjoy.
Not only is this enormously hypocritical, it smacks of terrible intolerance and injustice.
The comments that the gay marriage movement is in effect a terrorism movement have more than a kernel of truth to them. They represent a calculated enemy to democracy by wanting to deny americans fundamental liberties and rights under the law. LDS citizens have these constitutional rights the same as every other citizen. But because we exercise these rights to vote Yes at the ballot box, we are taking away someone else's rights? Or misusing our rights? Such logic is the very essence of absurdity, intolerance, and bigotry.
I not only support the morality of the Church's position on this issue, but also its inalienable right to declare its position.
Not only is this enormously hypocritical, it smacks of terrible intolerance and injustice.
The comments that the gay marriage movement is in effect a terrorism movement have more than a kernel of truth to them. They represent a calculated enemy to democracy by wanting to deny americans fundamental liberties and rights under the law. LDS citizens have these constitutional rights the same as every other citizen. But because we exercise these rights to vote Yes at the ballot box, we are taking away someone else's rights? Or misusing our rights? Such logic is the very essence of absurdity, intolerance, and bigotry.
I not only support the morality of the Church's position on this issue, but also its inalienable right to declare its position.
To Anonymous & Major Error | 10:17 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
You both used the word marriage in your last posts. Please define that word for
us so we can
understand what you mean.
understand what you mean.
steven | 10:17 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
i've never been more proud to be a Mormon than i was when i saw the
protesters outside the Mormon temple. Seeing this radical homosexual fringe
group, filled with rage and full of hate speach made me realize that their
protest was an endorsement that we must be doing something right. I guess 52%
of Californians now know who to thank for helping thier cause. By the way, when
is the protest scheduled against the African American community? After all,
they overwhelmingly supported prop 8. Oh right, that wouldn't be
politically correct, would it.
K | 10:18 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The Catholic church has also had protests for years over this issue in and out
of the US, only the protests don't only stay outside the churches and
cathedrals. People try receive communion wearing a rainbow sash to show their
protest. Very disrespectful and disruptive to the service.
There were a lot of referendums on life that didn't pass. So if we want to protest that, others have a right to protest this. When they are inappropriate like jumping on squad car, they get arrested. What is really upsetting is people who protest their causes at funerals, especially military ones though those protests should be not allowed at all. Get a permit and close off a street already.
There were a lot of referendums on life that didn't pass. So if we want to protest that, others have a right to protest this. When they are inappropriate like jumping on squad car, they get arrested. What is really upsetting is people who protest their causes at funerals, especially military ones though those protests should be not allowed at all. Get a permit and close off a street already.
Re: Granny T | 10:20 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The Catholic support of the LDS Church in this matter has been phenomenal. They
invited us to join in the coalition in the first place, they have denounced
those that would attack us through the missionary ads and the defilement of the
temple, and they have been very sincere and heartfelt in extending a big thank
you for helping with this case. They have been incredible friends to us in this
matter.
Civil Union | 10:21 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
re: Helen Wait
If anyone has any further info please add. This is just what I've gathered from both sides so far.
Civil Unions are about the same as Domestic Partnerships. Each state can call it either one and have different rights. In Cali its Domestic Partnership (Cali Code 297.5) and the rights and privelages granted with it are equal to marriage, but only as far as the state is concerned.
The thing about Civil Unions/Domestic Partnership is that it isnt recognized if you leave the state. However a "gay marriage" would have to be recognized in any state the couple moved to. CU/DP are not recognized Federally either so half of the rights that a heterosexual married couple has (which are federal rights) are not included. I'm not positive but I think theres enough wiggle room for a "gay marriage" to be recognized Federaly.
If anyone has any further info please add. This is just what I've gathered from both sides so far.
Civil Unions are about the same as Domestic Partnerships. Each state can call it either one and have different rights. In Cali its Domestic Partnership (Cali Code 297.5) and the rights and privelages granted with it are equal to marriage, but only as far as the state is concerned.
The thing about Civil Unions/Domestic Partnership is that it isnt recognized if you leave the state. However a "gay marriage" would have to be recognized in any state the couple moved to. CU/DP are not recognized Federally either so half of the rights that a heterosexual married couple has (which are federal rights) are not included. I'm not positive but I think theres enough wiggle room for a "gay marriage" to be recognized Federaly.
Cal Legislature approved | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The California Legislature has approved Gay Marriage twice, one in 2005 and
again in 2007. Gov. Schwarzenegger did not sign it for political reasons. He
advised it needed to be decided by the courts.
The Courts did decide it was unconstitutional this year but Prop 8 still went to the vote.
The Courts did decide it was unconstitutional this year but Prop 8 still went to the vote.
Happy with the Church | 10:23 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Jim, I read your response with great sadness. I too am a member of the LDS
church. My brother (also an RM) is gay. When he announced )probably about 30
years ago) that he is gay it brought great sadness to my family, but we never
shut him out or considered him anything but a member of our family. The Church
never did anything to us that caused us to react this way other than teaching us
to love everyone. My brother is still gay and we still love and accept him. I
never have, nor never will accept his lifestyle as correct. That doesn't
mean I can't love him. To claim the Church has divided your family is
incorrect. It is your family who divided your family. It was your
family's choice how they reacted. I was for Prop 8 and still love my
brother. There is no problem for me there.
JR | 10:24 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am LDS. I absolutely support prop 8, however, I do not hate you. I would
welcome you to my dinner table at any time. I would embrace the opportunity to
reach out and be a friend. We do not hate gay people, we just cannot agree on
gay marriage.
Thanks to the LDS Church | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Just want to say thanks to the LDS church for standing up to the tide of filth
in our nation. Homosexuality is a blight on our country and I am glad to belong
to a church with the courage to stand up. THANKS !
Stand for Right | 10:31 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Major Error,
It was not a major error. To not do anything would be a major error! If you believe in something you have to stand up and fight for it. To fail to "stick your finger in the dam" would be a MAJOR ERROR. When any major change in history has happened it may have appeared to be a major error. The Boston Tea Party, the Revolutionary War, or Civil Rights all looked bleak with only a small chance of succeeding. But thank heavens that those people decided to stand and let their voices be heard anyway! Protest and fight if you like, but don't be surprised or accusatory when those that believe in the sanctity of marriage decide to get up, get out, and stand for what we believe to be RIGHT! We will not allow any future possibility stop us from doing what is right, right now. Now is the time for action and to sit back would be a degradation to any that have fought for what they believed in. I only hope that we will keep voicing our opinion no matter what the prospects look like.
It was not a major error. To not do anything would be a major error! If you believe in something you have to stand up and fight for it. To fail to "stick your finger in the dam" would be a MAJOR ERROR. When any major change in history has happened it may have appeared to be a major error. The Boston Tea Party, the Revolutionary War, or Civil Rights all looked bleak with only a small chance of succeeding. But thank heavens that those people decided to stand and let their voices be heard anyway! Protest and fight if you like, but don't be surprised or accusatory when those that believe in the sanctity of marriage decide to get up, get out, and stand for what we believe to be RIGHT! We will not allow any future possibility stop us from doing what is right, right now. Now is the time for action and to sit back would be a degradation to any that have fought for what they believed in. I only hope that we will keep voicing our opinion no matter what the prospects look like.
Look at this | 10:31 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Do the math. Nearly 5.5 MILLION people in California voted in support of prop
8.
There are 725,000 LDS members on the rolls in California.
The margin of victory was 500,000 votes.
If you know anything about the Mormon church, you know that the 725,000 includes ALL members, many of which are inactive religiously and politically.
Add to that the many that did not support prop 8, and very likely the LDS church did not even contribute 500,000 votes to prop 8.
In other words, even if the LDS members did not vote at all, it probably would have passed.
Now, what the LDS may be responsible for is getting out the vote, but surely the no supporters can't be upset that we encouraged people to vote, are they?
There are 725,000 LDS members on the rolls in California.
The margin of victory was 500,000 votes.
If you know anything about the Mormon church, you know that the 725,000 includes ALL members, many of which are inactive religiously and politically.
Add to that the many that did not support prop 8, and very likely the LDS church did not even contribute 500,000 votes to prop 8.
In other words, even if the LDS members did not vote at all, it probably would have passed.
Now, what the LDS may be responsible for is getting out the vote, but surely the no supporters can't be upset that we encouraged people to vote, are they?
Aloha | 10:31 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Angry mobs have done unintelligent things when they haven't gotten their
way. They crucified the savior when he told them things they didn't want to
hear, and the truth has always hurt. Please let our democratic process work how
it is supposed to work.
Re: Frank | 10:36 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
LDS votes may have been as much as 10% of the Yes vote. There are 750,000 LDS
people in California. Maybe 500,000 are registered and voted for Prop 8. There
were 5.2 million votes in favor of Prop 8. My question is the same as yours--why
attack the LDS Church? Why not acknowledge that the majority of people who put
the measure through were Blacks and Latinos. Furthermore, had Obama not spoken
out against Same-sex marriage, the outcome would probably have swung the other
way. The gays/lesbians would never attack racial minorities who were the real
force in this election.
Civil Union | 10:43 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm was keeping my personal opinion seperate but from what I understand
about whats been happening (wish I could actually read prop 8, impossible to
find it), the recent controversy is over people trying to change the definition
of marriage.
Currently marriage is definied as: A contract made between a free man and free woman in a union of husband and wife. For gay marriage to work without becoming an oxymoron they had to strip it off the male/female husband/wife. So yes it effects every marriage in Cali, but whether being considered a partner is trivial change or not is up to each person. None of this has been about Domestic Partnerships at all which have been ignored.
My question is why havent people pushed for federally recognized Civil Unions instead? That would grant 100% equal rights and not effect hetero marriage.
Whats going on now could be compared to if blacks tried to get equal rights back in the day by changing the definition of White to include african americans. Instead they got equal rights for blacks without attacking the definition of white at all. African americans had the right idea, it would be smart to follow suit.
Currently marriage is definied as: A contract made between a free man and free woman in a union of husband and wife. For gay marriage to work without becoming an oxymoron they had to strip it off the male/female husband/wife. So yes it effects every marriage in Cali, but whether being considered a partner is trivial change or not is up to each person. None of this has been about Domestic Partnerships at all which have been ignored.
My question is why havent people pushed for federally recognized Civil Unions instead? That would grant 100% equal rights and not effect hetero marriage.
Whats going on now could be compared to if blacks tried to get equal rights back in the day by changing the definition of White to include african americans. Instead they got equal rights for blacks without attacking the definition of white at all. African americans had the right idea, it would be smart to follow suit.
Doom and Gloom | 10:43 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To those that say that this is inevitable and that California will eventually
pass this bill so quit trying. It is interesting to note that California is one
of the most liberal states in the country, and it still rejected gay marriage.
How will that proposition fly in Idaho, Utah, Nebraska, Indiana (the home of
Catholic run Notre Dame. FYI the Catholic Church also supports bans on gay
marriage)? This is a country that has always been center-right. The most
liberal are outnumbered and will continue to be so.
Tuffy Parker | 10:49 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
As members of the church, we should willingly accept the criticism from gay
community on supporting this issue. When we worry more about what people think
than we do about standing up for what is right, we�re on
the wrong path.
Ironically, this is one of the fundamental problems with many who espouse GLBT values as they condemn Prop. 8. They are so concerned in getting widespread approval for their deviant lifestyle, that when it doesn�t happen a severe persecution complex develops. Then we see the result of that rejection as they lash out at those who refuse to validate their behavior.
Also, keep in mind that yelling louder in support of something that is wrong does not make it right � it only makes it more noisy.
Ironically, this is one of the fundamental problems with many who espouse GLBT values as they condemn Prop. 8. They are so concerned in getting widespread approval for their deviant lifestyle, that when it doesn�t happen a severe persecution complex develops. Then we see the result of that rejection as they lash out at those who refuse to validate their behavior.
Also, keep in mind that yelling louder in support of something that is wrong does not make it right � it only makes it more noisy.
Relax... this is simple | 10:51 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Relax, count to ten... ALL of you.
Read "the Declaration on the Family" (1996 by the 1st Presidency and the Twelve).
The most important message given to all men in our lifetime.
You either believe the Lord - or you do not.
This is a simple matter of YEA or NAY.
And then, go out and show love to these neighbors, because they do live in agony.
Jussi
Read "the Declaration on the Family" (1996 by the 1st Presidency and the Twelve).
The most important message given to all men in our lifetime.
You either believe the Lord - or you do not.
This is a simple matter of YEA or NAY.
And then, go out and show love to these neighbors, because they do live in agony.
Jussi
Give me a break -part 1 | 10:53 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am so TIRED of gays right now I could scream. All their behavior is doing is
proving what most of us thought they were like anyway. I quit hanging out with
my gay friends cuz they had too many issues. Everything they say and do has to
revolve around being gay. NEWSFLASH!!!!! No on 8 RAISED MORE MONEY THAN YES ON
8!!!! IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE WORD OUT AND POST YOUR SIGNS THAT IS YOUR
PROBLEM!!! I am not LDS but it seems to me that it is NORMAL TO STAND UP FOR
WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN!!! Do you really think anybody's mind was swayed in
their decision. NEWSFLASH AGAIN - YOU EITHER AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY OR YOU
DON'T!!! The LDS/CATHOLIC/BAPTIST/CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS couldn't
sway your vote no matter how hard they tried. .
Bill | 11:06 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS Church is targeted because they bankrolled more than 50% of all the
funds supporting the ban on gay marriage.
When people accuse gays of being intolerant and hateful, they forget that those acts of intolerance are a RESPONSE to the way they were treated in the first place. If you don't like it when they punch you back, don't punch them in the first place.
Civil Unions do NOT give gay couples all the same rights at formal Marriage. That's a lie. Just trying filing your taxes as a civil union, as opposed to being married, and you'll see the difference (and it certainly doesn't stop there).
When people accuse gays of being intolerant and hateful, they forget that those acts of intolerance are a RESPONSE to the way they were treated in the first place. If you don't like it when they punch you back, don't punch them in the first place.
Civil Unions do NOT give gay couples all the same rights at formal Marriage. That's a lie. Just trying filing your taxes as a civil union, as opposed to being married, and you'll see the difference (and it certainly doesn't stop there).
Exodus | 11:10 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Maybe we homosexuals should pick up and leave this country in order to be able
to practice our beliefs. Perhaps you Mormons could relate to that.
ricky | 11:11 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
this is sick and wrong for gays to be married its good to see californian to say
no to this and put thier foot down prop 8 would aloud open marriage meaning a
father could marry his daughter and that is just grose
Dani | 11:15 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I live in south america and I'm not an US citizien, but I have always had a
lot of resepect for the USA as an example of democracy. I can agree or desagree
with this prop 8, but I have to respect what the majority has decided.
Nobody (church, organization, individual) is watching you when you cast your vote and thats the beauty of democracy.
This is pretty simple, both sides let the voters know what they were proposing, voters decided...end of the story! It does not metter if the LDS church helped or not, they were not the ones who decided, were the citiziens of the state of california and if you (as a country) are trying to educate other countries what democracy is you should respect it in the first place.
(by the way sorry if there are some grammer errors)
Nobody (church, organization, individual) is watching you when you cast your vote and thats the beauty of democracy.
This is pretty simple, both sides let the voters know what they were proposing, voters decided...end of the story! It does not metter if the LDS church helped or not, they were not the ones who decided, were the citiziens of the state of california and if you (as a country) are trying to educate other countries what democracy is you should respect it in the first place.
(by the way sorry if there are some grammer errors)
The Rock | 11:15 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Even when the philosophies of men and the changing winds of time try to push and
sway many to call good evil and evil good, it is very comforting to know that
there is a steady hand there is still a universal truth. The family is still
solid thanks to Prop 8, and the LDS church is founded on the Rock and not on
sand.
Thinking | 11:20 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I was talking to my 9 year old boy, trying to explain this issue to him. He
told me it was very confusing to him. Mom and Dads make sense. Families make
sense. He said, who will attend their wedding anniversaries if they can't
have children and grandchildren? ( We just attended a 50th golden wedding
reception for his Grandparents. It was full of family members.) As I continue
to reflect on our conversation and ask myself if marriage should be redefined,
three words keep popping into my head. Stupor of thought.
Marriage between a man and a woman makes perfect sense. Gay marriage is very confusing to me, and very confusing to my son.
Marriage between a man and a woman makes perfect sense. Gay marriage is very confusing to me, and very confusing to my son.
rutefan | 11:20 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am proud that the LDS church along with the majority of other denominations
stood up and fought for what they believe in. I thank all of you!
classy | 11:24 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
well at least we can see what the "gay" community is really like when
the going gets tough.... they cry and hope someone listens. i guess they have
learned alot being liberals all these years whoever has the squeekiest wheel
gets the most attention. thanks for proving the point of proposition 8
Nature vs. Nurture | 11:27 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Re: the nature vs. nurture debate, I would contest that it doesn't even
matter what causes people to be the way we are. We are all born a certain way,
and raised a certain way, and at various points throughout our lives, we make
decisions as to how we will live our lives, either abandoning or embracing what
has come before. If you believe in a final judgment, there we will be held
accountable for those decisions that we make, whether they be related to how
compassionate we are to all of our fellow man, or how we handle the sexual
powers that we have been given in this life. Church leaders have taught us that
if we abuse these sexual powers--this most sacred gift that allows us to taste
of God's creative power and participate in his plan for all of his children
to experience life on this earth--they will be taken from us in the next life.
At this time, homosexuality is in the spotlight, but there are a whole gamut of
acts that hinder our progression, many of which fall under the category of
heterosexual relations. And really, no one act is worse than any other.
Big D | 11:27 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
So when will these people be prosecuted for hate crimes. If I tagged a gay
persons house I would be charged with a hate crime and face a stiffer
punishment. These people should be held to the same standard they helped create.
Jason, NYC | 11:28 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I live in San Francisco due to my job. I want to go on record that gays are the
most "in your face" group of people on earth. Their public language
is abhorrent and their public displays of affection are often repulsive and
vile. They respect no one who's views are at variance with their own. An
openly gay man in our office married his partner two months ago, yet he
routinely goes on "dates" with other men every weekend, this is just
part of their lifestyle. Gays and Lesbians now have all the
"equality" they need given their lifestyle, believe me!!!
sarah | 11:29 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To all those who claim democracy has ruled this decision and thus we must now be
silent about it: you are forgetting that the USA was founded on other principles
than just democracy. The founders of this nation were absolutely frightened of
mob rule because unjust things can be decided in a democratic way (much as we
just saw in California). The Bill of Rights exists for a reason and I have faith
Proposition 8 and all other initiatives that support the same cause will one day
be shot down as curbing on the rights of people of this nation.
Yikers | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
What's prop 8?
Sike.
George Washington would puke to death over this.
Sike.
George Washington would puke to death over this.
Church's vision differs from you | 11:32 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS Church should be tolerant of everyone. I personally believe that
homosexuality is a behavior just like drinking and smoking; however, I am aware
that there is no scientific evidence to support or negate my belief. The
Church/Bible states that homosexuality is sinful, so why is anyone surprised
that "God's" church opposes it openly. Anything to the contrary
would be hypocrisy. I dislike many of the rules and regulations of the
Church/BYU but am aware that its vision isn't the same as society's.
If the Church ceased to oppose sinful and call people to repentance then it
would undoubtedly cease to be the True Church.
SICK of GAYS PROTESTING!!! | 11:33 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am so sick and tired of the gays and ACLU and liberals protesting over
DEMOCRACY!!! The PEOPLE OF THE STATE VOTED. GET A CLUE PEOPLE!!! WHAT IN THE
WORLD ARE YOU PROTESTING ABOUT?????? Do you want to invalidate the vote? Do you
want to invalidate the voice of the people? Do you just want to get rid of
DEMOCRACY altogether in California? Holy cow I am so SICK SICK SICK and tired of
you people!!! Good grief, move to Europe if you don't like democracy.
Are gays true christians? | 11:36 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm wondering if gays are true believers of the Bible? Or maybe being a God
fearing person is uncool. Do they remember the story of Sodom and Gamorrha I
believe mainstream christians are trying to prevent that from happening again.
Mormon, Catholic, or any other denomination. Even if you don't believe in a
God, doesn't mean He isn't there. With the world moving in the
direction it is, we'll be seeing Him again soon enough.
Just remember. Noahs ark had 2 of each animal. Male and Female. Not male and male.
Just remember. Noahs ark had 2 of each animal. Male and Female. Not male and male.
30 down and 20 to go!!! | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
30 states now have marriage protection against homosexuality with 20 more states
to go. What a great day for freedom and the voice of the people winning over the
liberal and corrupt courts!!!
justthefacts | 11:42 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS church took the major role in the Prop 8 campaign here in CA. So, of
course those against Prop 8 are going to target the LDS Church. The campaign
against Prop 8 relied on misinformation, distortions and scare tactics. I
don't know about you, but i have higher expectations for the LDS church to
conduct the campaign in a truthful, and considerate way. They did not live up to
this expectation.
Re: Look at this | 11:41 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To answer your last question re: are the "no" supporters upset that we
encouraged people to vote? Yes, they are because we weren't encouraging
them to vote the "right" way. If we had encouraged them to vote
"no", they would love us. It's curious to me that "free
speech" is only encouraged by some if it agrees with their own viewpoint.
Otherwise, it's quite often labeled "hate" speech. Everyone, and
I mean EVERYONE has the right to express their opinion in this country, both
verbally and in the voting booth! For those who do not tolerate a difference of
opinion, they are trampling on one of the basic rights we as Americans have, and
when they want to take that away, they are treading on dangerous ground and
endangering their own ability to freely express their opinions down the road.
a win for DEMOCRACY | 11:41 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Prop 8 passed and democracy was the victor! The voice of the people (not the
liberal corrupt courts) was the big winner! It makes you feel good to know that
the people still have the power to defeat the likes of the shady ACLU and
corrupt justices.
ANOTHER CALIFORNIAN | 11:45 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Just count the entries of the NO crowd and you will see just where the bigotry,
hate and intolerance is in our society.
James | 11:50 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
In a world of decaying morals, I am glad the LDS church can stand firm on true
principles...even if the world seems to conspire against them!
I don't want to generalize, but from what I've seen, most of the gay activists seem to be very violent and hateful towards the LDS church...ironic????
I pray that prop 8 stays in effect. Forever.
I don't want to generalize, but from what I've seen, most of the gay activists seem to be very violent and hateful towards the LDS church...ironic????
I pray that prop 8 stays in effect. Forever.
To Civil Union | 11:53 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The entire text of Proposition 8 is as follows:
"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California."
"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California."
Sherry Talbot | 11:55 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008
May love and acceptance of all human beings prevail. Wherever there is love,
whether it be between a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a woman,
or a man and his dog, there God is. God is in all of us and in every living
thing. This I know from experience to be true. If we can see God (whatever
your definition of God is) in all beings then it matters not who they marry as
long as love exists there. This is so easy folks. And when I have a hard time
loving someone or feeling this, I just imagine them as a little baby -- I really
see them for what they were when they were first born and new -- and the love
comes easily and beautifully. I was raised in the Mormon church and left it
along time ago because I felt it was tearing me apart. But now I am just trying
to foster the love and dissipate the anger. So, my dear Mormon friends. Please
just love.
Keble | 12:02 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS church is deeply hurt by this. I now will never let the missionaries
in nor will I recommend anyone I know to have anything to do with the church.
The LDS church is using it's power, money, and might to force it's
will on others. It is exactly the kind of thing it suffered in the 19th
century now it is doing the same thing to others. THIS IS CIVIL MARRIAGE NOT
TEMPLE MARRIAGE!
Be an example | 12:05 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am LDS. I absolutely supported prop 8, however, I do not hate gays. I have a
few gay friends that I love dearly. I have welcomed them and would welcome
anyone to dinner at my house any time! I would embrace the opportunity to reach
out and be a friend. We do not hate gay people, we just cannot agree on gay
marriage. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as all of us should...though
not one of us is perfect and we all make mistakes, the gospel brings so much
peace and happiness to my life. So please don't say hurtful things about
our church. I will stand by the teachings of the church, because I KNOW it is
true.
CB | 12:07 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The court decision which overturned the statute forbidding such marriages, was
overturned in a close 5-4 decision, and the basis for the law being to overbroad
is gone; it will be difficult, no matter how much a Supreme Court Judge feels
about this issue to declare the Constitution Unconstitution when "Domestic
Partnerships" allow all the same rights as a married couple; you can even
adopt children, share insurance, estates, trusts and have someone be the
beneficiary under you will, and insurance proceeds! It is difficult, when you
read the entire statute how someone can argue that this is a civil right
issue--when the United States Congress and the Federal Circuits and Supreme
Court has not granted extra protection for same-sex relationships in employment
under Title VII!
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