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Not only LDS | 9:15 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The population of CA is made up of 2% LDS. I don't know why the Mormons
are the target of blame. 52% of CA voted to ban same-sex marriage. Even with a
perfect turnout of LDS to the polls, it still would only be 2% of the voters.
Fair is fair. The DIVERSE citizens of CA have voted...TWICE with the same
results.
YES_ON_8 | 9:15 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
"Thank you, California, for saving your children from this great wave of
indoctrination into the homosexual lifestyle and the attacks on religion which
were to follow. "
You're welcome. And we'll do it again if it comes to that.
You're welcome. And we'll do it again if it comes to that.
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No Longer a Democracy | 9:19 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
If Proposition 8 is overturned, it would raise a serious concern about democracy
in the US. If a proposition makes it on a ballot and is approved by a vote of
the people it must stand! This is the idea behind a democracy--let the voice of
the people decide. Once judges and legislators begin to overturn legislation
passed by a majority vote, we are no longer a democracy, but a country ruled by
the whim of judges!
RE; No Longer a Democracy | 9:25 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The United States is NOT a democracy. It is a REPUBLIC. Try educating
yourself. Spend more time in school and less time in Sunday school.
To Jeff Jacobberger | 9:29 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
You are no more my judge than I am yours, but with what measure we judge are we
judged. I've added my two cents a few times on this forum tonight and
I'll end with this. We are all sinners in the eyes of God and we all fall
short of His Glory. I am a true Christian however. True Christians, while
always falling short of the Glory of God, strive to be like Christ and that
means living a life defined by the covenants we make the best we can. But most
importantly it means to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. There is no way on earth
I will ever see eye to eye with the homosexual community on this particular
issue BUT it does NOT take away from my love for all God's
children...especially my favorite cousin who is Gay. God help us all as we deal
with our desires for righteousness, freedom of religion, speech, and expression,
while trying to turn the other cheek. I'm truly sorry if some of my
postings, particularily to "Civil Rights", sounded so high and mighty
that it felt like a slap on his cheek. Let's all chill out a bit.
Martin | 9:30 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The LDS church stood and the LDS church conquered. Enough said! All you whiners
need to just accept your fate and yes the gays need to bring themselves from
sin. This victory should prove the overwhelming influence and acceptance of Gods
true chruch. If we can influence victory in liberal CA we can do it anywhere.
The Prophet spoke and the people of California followed. What a beatiful day it
is and a time for us the rejoice in protecting marriage.
@No Longer a Democracy | 9:31 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
"If Proposition 8 is overturned..." you folks will have wasted an
incredible amount of money, time and effort. HA HA HA
Too Funny | 9:31 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Isn't it way too funny that a group of people would call a church who is
opposed to their values call the church Bigoted yet that group shows that they
have no tolerance for opposing views, which is very bigoted indeed. OK, so
everybody's a bigot now... Wow, how glorious for us all.
Regarding Tom in Lazybrook | 9:34 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I feel terribly sorry that you are so ignorant of what the LDS church is really
about and what kind of men lead them. I'm guessing that you are not very
educated with the contents and history of the Bible. If your were, it
wouldn't surprise you how the Lord's annointed are treated by the
culture and world around them as they stand up for divine truth. They are not in
this for money or fame, they do it because they have been given a divine and
holy calling from a God who is full of truth, and that truth is not up for
debate by the wisdom, cunning, and ignorance of man. I know that this is true, I
invite you to educate yourself, read the Old and New Testament if you are a
Christian. I would recommend Jeremiah 20 if you don't have time to search
the whole text. Notice what they do to Jeremiah and his unwillingness to waver
in his call even though he feels like God has somewhat left him. Anything worth
anything requires those who will stand for truth, not fall over and give way to
cultural perversion.
Just a thot | 9:40 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Has anyone ever even though about what impact the gay and lesbian marriages
would have on the already overloaded family court system? If there are
marriages, don't you suppose there will be divorces?Don't you think
that this impact on our judicial system and the tax money that it will take to
run it is a civil issue?
Gretzky | 9:40 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
homosexuality is not a Civil Right. in virtually all religious circles including
Judeo Christian and Islam it is an immoral behavior that is not condoned by our
Heavenly Father. being gay is NOT the same as being white or black or a Catholic
or a Jew. being gay is a behavioral issue that is NOT akin to civil rights. do
people who choose to participate in immoral acts have civil rights, yes. but
these acts are not to be condoned and approved for our children to be taught
about as good and moral since they are fundamentally not. Children are to be
brought into this world by a husband and wife in a loving marriage relationship.
the family is the fundamental unit of society. Scientifically, a gay marriage
cannot bring children into this world. the gay relationship is fundamentally,
scientifically and nature-ally not coexistent with Darwin's theory of
evolution either. the gay relationship does not serve to repopulate the species.
so either way, religiously or scientifically, gay relationships are not healthy
for a society to prosper and make forward progress. either way gay behavior is
unacceptable.
Re: sherry | 9:42 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
You sound genuine so I'll be clear:
Defining marriage as between a man and a woman is entirely different from denying blacks the right to vote. Blacks were denied the exact same priviledge as all other people. Even those with homosexual tendencies are allowed to marry - the exact same priviledge all people have. Like me and you they can't marry someone of the same sex. They are not missing any right that has been granted to anyone else. They want special rights.
This is not the first time they've demanded special rights. They have previously attempted to pass hate crime bills across the country so that someone that assaults you or me would do less jail time than if they attacked someone with homosexual tendencies.
Don't pet the ruse of 'civil rights' mask their demand for 'special rights'.
Defining marriage as between a man and a woman is entirely different from denying blacks the right to vote. Blacks were denied the exact same priviledge as all other people. Even those with homosexual tendencies are allowed to marry - the exact same priviledge all people have. Like me and you they can't marry someone of the same sex. They are not missing any right that has been granted to anyone else. They want special rights.
This is not the first time they've demanded special rights. They have previously attempted to pass hate crime bills across the country so that someone that assaults you or me would do less jail time than if they attacked someone with homosexual tendencies.
Don't pet the ruse of 'civil rights' mask their demand for 'special rights'.
to re no longer democracy | 9:48 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Hello?! How about alittle education yourself. A republic under our state and
federal constitutionis determine by FIRST, vote of the people. From there, a
representative i.e. a person or a law comes into play to represent the will of
the people. Under the California state law, the constitution can be amended by
a vote of the people. Propostions in California are deemed,under
California's constitution, the order in which the people can amend the
constitution, which they did on Tuesday with Prop 8. It is the gays who refuse
to respect the majority vote or the law of the states. Gays will never be
respected if they continue on the path of violence, selfishness, bigotry (yes
that's right bigotry), and hate. Their lifestyle is not whaat the citizens
of the United States want for a marriage under the law.
Re: Mark/Former Mormon | 9:56 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
See ya
Twice | 9:58 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
750,000...that's all the LDS in California (probably more LDS than Gay
people in California I know but that's a different post). Even if EVERY
LDS member voted for Prop 8, it would only be a small percentage of the total
votes. There are a lot more Catholics...a lot more Blacks and Hispanics...just
more people that believe marriage is between one man and one woman. It
wasn't the Mormons that did this, it was the people of California that did
it. And they did it twice!
Married to my Husband | 10:02 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I agree with "ICKY", I agree with "Wheat and Tares",
I agree with "LDS in CA", I agree with "John..." and my Husband (and I am the wife!) agrees with "Dave"
Good going. I am not as eloquent as others, but I would love to agree with many in that oppinion. There is a fine line between kind people and hatefull people, even if they don't do things your way. And many RELIGIOUS people are Kind.
I agree with "LDS in CA", I agree with "John..." and my Husband (and I am the wife!) agrees with "Dave"
Good going. I am not as eloquent as others, but I would love to agree with many in that oppinion. There is a fine line between kind people and hatefull people, even if they don't do things your way. And many RELIGIOUS people are Kind.
Strange situation | 10:04 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
These people are so full of hate (and, ironically, bigotry) and bitterness. I
have never heard of a reaction like this after the majority of voters re-stated
their will. It is like the whole state here is in deep mourning--and yet the
majority made its independent choice.
Cheap shots:
The No on 8's chose the pick on the Mormons because they are less than 2% of the population--even though New York Jews probably gave more than Utah Mormons--they allege that "Utah Mormons" decided for California's 40 million inhabitants. It's just weird.
Cheap shots:
The No on 8's chose the pick on the Mormons because they are less than 2% of the population--even though New York Jews probably gave more than Utah Mormons--they allege that "Utah Mormons" decided for California's 40 million inhabitants. It's just weird.
Married to my Husband | 10:05 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I know the word is OPINION,
thanks.
thanks.
California Member | 10:07 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
To those who say the church will decline over this you are wrong. At my church
on Sunday it was so crowded it was hard to find a seat. The missionaries have
never been busier! It is amazing! A non member friend of mine inquired about the
church and wanted to know more..
Sorry .... I think this negative press only serves to help expand the rapidly expanding church.
TRUTH PREVAILS!
Sorry .... I think this negative press only serves to help expand the rapidly expanding church.
TRUTH PREVAILS!
Absolute | 10:10 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
It is interesting how some people feel that opinions are what determines what is
right or not. Not so! Truths are either absolute or they are relative. An
absolute truth never changes, relatives truths change with time. For example,
dietetics have changed over the years and continue to change. Absolute truths
are those established by God and no opinion can change what He has deemed to
right. They is no scripture to validate homosexual behavior, but there are many
that condemn it. Those who express their views against God's laws are only
only expressing their opinion, which they call "discrimination."
Man's opinion cannot overturn God's laws or commandments. They are
absolute and will always be - unchanging! Why was Sodom and Gamorah destroyed?
It was because was displeased with their homosexual lifesyles!
Play it again SAM | 10:20 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The mormons will eventually break on this issue and accept gay marriage. They
very changed very sacred doctrine in 1890 and 1978 over similar issues which
were caused by both financial consequences and social pressures. Remember
everyone, the God and Jesus as Christians know him is not at the head of this
church. Man is at the head of this church and man sometimes makes the wrong
decisions. Sad but true, it will take time but a day will come when money and
the future of the chruch is at stake and the 'prophet' will reveal an
appended word of god.
to: all- Former mormon - s | 10:21 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
You can leave the church, but never leave it alone - where have we heard that
before?
Money | 10:22 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
In 2000 this won by 61% in CA. Maybe I didn't donate enough money this
time. Where can I donate to defend against these frivolous lawsuits?
We love Mormons | 10:26 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Thank you, thank you, for your support on this issue. I will never again turn
the Mormon missionaries away from my door.
Are Black's next? | 10:27 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
70% of the Black voters in CA voted for Prop 8. So are they the next targets? So
are the Gay/Lesbian activists now going to attack the NAACP? Black churchs?
No they won't because they know it won't be tollerated. Pick on the Mormons. They are used to it.
Bring on the last days...
No they won't because they know it won't be tollerated. Pick on the Mormons. They are used to it.
Bring on the last days...
Polygamy | 10:28 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
If the Mormons were still practicing polygamy all their wives would have voted
as well, and this thing would have won by two thirds.
Christ's Response | 10:28 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
To the woman taken in adultery, Christ showed love. But he also said 'Go
thy way and sin no more.' I would guess this would be his response to
homosexuals.
If you are Christian and gay/lesbian, read the New Testament, it's pretty clear. Being proud of your sexual choices is akin to an adulterer proclaiming his infidelity. It's a little incongruous with his religion isn't it?
If you're not Christian, don't try to tell us how to interpret scripture -you're on the outside looking in.
Both sides have a right to believe what they will, but the voters have spoken.
Had the proposition failed my guess is that those who supported it would be disappointed but there wouldn't be as much backlash.
If you are Christian and gay/lesbian, read the New Testament, it's pretty clear. Being proud of your sexual choices is akin to an adulterer proclaiming his infidelity. It's a little incongruous with his religion isn't it?
If you're not Christian, don't try to tell us how to interpret scripture -you're on the outside looking in.
Both sides have a right to believe what they will, but the voters have spoken.
Had the proposition failed my guess is that those who supported it would be disappointed but there wouldn't be as much backlash.
jlh | 10:28 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Hey Play it again Sam...In your dreams!!!!!
Rodney" | 10:44 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Cant we all just get along?
I get most irratated when people have to blame someone for things not going thier way. I cant stand whiners.
I didnt agreee with Obama getting elected, but Im not out screaming my head off about it, or vandalizing property, or threatening a churhc and its children on missions with thier lives..no and Im not even deleting people off my myspace over this. I stopped voting years ago because of what we are seeing today. This year I voted. I voted yes on 8, as a moral decision. Ive seen what the gay movement has done in 3 months and Im discusted about it, talk about threats, vandalism, lies ...look in the mirror before you cast the first stones..God is watching us from a distance my friend and YOU will be held acountable for YOUR actions. We should be dropping to our knees and asking for forgiveness.
I get most irratated when people have to blame someone for things not going thier way. I cant stand whiners.
I didnt agreee with Obama getting elected, but Im not out screaming my head off about it, or vandalizing property, or threatening a churhc and its children on missions with thier lives..no and Im not even deleting people off my myspace over this. I stopped voting years ago because of what we are seeing today. This year I voted. I voted yes on 8, as a moral decision. Ive seen what the gay movement has done in 3 months and Im discusted about it, talk about threats, vandalism, lies ...look in the mirror before you cast the first stones..God is watching us from a distance my friend and YOU will be held acountable for YOUR actions. We should be dropping to our knees and asking for forgiveness.
To Former Mormon | 10:44 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
See ya!
Fawn Brodie! What a hoax!
Fawn Brodie! What a hoax!
anom | 10:45 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
If people hate the church so much...why do they read Desnews? Why do they even
bother? All the wisdom of hateful people, who beg for tolerance and civil
rights but are not prepared to allow the same courtesy for others. The
constitution is for all, not a select few. The 1st amendment allows all people
to express their point of view without the fear of hate mongers. Yet when the
minority don't get their own way, they begin to picket churchs, throw eggs
and act like spoilt children. If you want tolerance....demonstrate it to
others.
Those Liberals | 10:48 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
So we're all supposed to be happy that Nobama won and accept the will of
the people, but when the left loses fair and square, they throw a tantrum and
sue.
How hypocritical!
How hypocritical!
David Farnsworth | 10:52 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Mark said "Mormons are isolated..."
Really? Who won the election?
Really? Who won the election?
Question to No on 8 supporters | 10:55 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I take my definition of marriage form The American Heritage Dictionary,
�The legal union of a man and a woman as husband and
wife.� What�s yours?
Bayou Vol | 10:57 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Section 297.5 of the California Family Code reads:
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same
rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.
Please explain to me the differences in substantive rights between marriages and domestic partnerships in CA.
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same
rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.
Please explain to me the differences in substantive rights between marriages and domestic partnerships in CA.
surprise... | 10:58 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I was pleasantly surprised that this proposition passed. We fasted with our
children and discussed it with them. I'm not surprised at the reaction
from the other side. Disorderly conduct and running to the closest activist
judge to try to get it overturned. All I have to say is IF a Judge overturns
this...they will get there just reward in the life after!
Justin | 10:58 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I have a brother who is a homosexual whom I love very much. He and his partner
have been together for many years. However as I see the issue homosexuality is
morally wrong. If we as a society continue to accept and in some cases even
embrace this as an acceptable life style we will continue to damage the fabric
of a stable society. For good people who understand this it would be morally
wrong not to stand up and fight to preserve the traditional role of the family.
We owe this to future generations. Let us not be the weak link in the chain.
Let us pass on to our children a world where each individual is treated with
respect but where wrong behavior is called for what it is wrong behavior and is
condemd.
Intolerant | 10:59 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I was born intolerant. Why can't you people accept me and just be tolerant
of my intolerance?
Bayou Vol | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
BTW where's that Obama's birth certificate again?
To: Leroy | 11:02 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Check you history. Ever heard of Sam Brannan? Unless you are Hispanic or
Native American, Mormons were in California before you were.
Dollars | 11:09 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The No on 8 crowd raised more money, and more of it came from without
California.
Anonymous | 11:11 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I am a lifetime resident of SO CA and lifetime member of the church. My husband
and I were sealed in the LA temple and it hurts me to see even the fence
surrounding the grounds of the temple desecrated by such vile verbal abuse and
disgusting signs being placed on it. The liberal local news media may call
these protests peaceful because there has been little physical violence, but the
verbal yelling, screaming and coarse remarks are disgusting, not to mention the
fact that they blocked the flow of traffic. These protestors are ill-informed
and don't seem to realize that a huge list of churches in CA supported this
measure including the Saddleback Church and Catholic Church. The majority of
voters in this state approved this measure of which LDS members only make up a
small portion. The opposition needs to accept defeat and not act like a small
spoiled child that did not get his way. I didn't vote for Obama, but I am
prepared to support and respect him as our next President.
Confused | 11:12 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Wasn't it the same gender attractants that advocated, in former days, the
"right" to live together unencumbered by the bonds of marriage?
NoCal Saint | 11:13 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
My Ward is severely divided over this issue. There have been many, many heated
debates; mostly civil but some have been confrontational. I know those who did
not support Prop. 8 and I feel bad for them and there testimony.
Re NoCal Saint | 11:26 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I honestly and sincerely don't believe you.
Granny T. | 11:38 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
One Catholic youth group for traditional marriage is actually celebrating
Latter-day Saints who voted "yes."
From the newspaper:
Members of the Ruth Institute were upset about attack ads against missionaries. They created this proclamation: "We, the members of the Ruth Youth, hereby declare and proclaim November 5, 2008, to be International Mormon Appreciation Day. We hereby express our gratitude toward and solidarity with our LDS brothers and sisters." San Francisco's Archbishop George Niederauer, who was Catholic bishop in Salt Lake City, wrote a letter to Pres. Monson asking for the church's involvement in the coalition.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
From the newspaper:
Members of the Ruth Institute were upset about attack ads against missionaries. They created this proclamation: "We, the members of the Ruth Youth, hereby declare and proclaim November 5, 2008, to be International Mormon Appreciation Day. We hereby express our gratitude toward and solidarity with our LDS brothers and sisters." San Francisco's Archbishop George Niederauer, who was Catholic bishop in Salt Lake City, wrote a letter to Pres. Monson asking for the church's involvement in the coalition.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Just a thought | 11:46 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I think the media should stop following the wild scenes in front of temples and
let this rest. Let it be handled within the bounds of the Constitution.
Common Sense | 11:49 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I think it's unbelievable how hypocritical those protesters are, by holding
up signs that say "Don't Hate" but yet they are protesting
against a specific religion, and making prejudice remarks!! Unbelievable!
I'm so glad Proposition 8 passed! Good for California.
I'm so glad Proposition 8 passed! Good for California.
I'm still waiting | 11:52 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I gave my definition of marriage over a half hour ago, but as of yet the No on 8
crowd has yet to
submit to me their definition of marriage. Could it be you don�t have one? If you have no definition then I can see how you would think anything goes.
submit to me their definition of marriage. Could it be you don�t have one? If you have no definition then I can see how you would think anything goes.
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