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Sick and tired | 7:38 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Nathan, that will never happen. why do you want to be married in a LDS temple if
you don't believe the same as they do. Someone who is not an active member
of the Catholic Church, can't just go and get married as a Catholic. What
is your problem. Get over it!
B RUDIN | 8:17 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
ITS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF GAY SUPREMISTS TRYING TO BULLY AND
INTIMIDATE TO GET THEYRE WAY,THATS REALLY TOLERANT.MY QUESTION IS WHAT IF YOU
ARE BISEXUAL AND WANT TO MARRY A MAN AND WOMAN???NO ONE IS BEING MADE TO GO TO
THE BACK OF THE BUS OR DENIED USE OF BATHROOMS LIKE MINORITIES WERE SO PLEASE
QUIT TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE BECAUSE ITS REALLY INSULTING
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Its in the Bible | 11:03 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Romans 1:27
This goes to all those that said that Jesus would have supported gay marriage if he were here. This passage denounces that notion. These are his teachings given through the apostle Paul.
Jesus does all the Father(God)commands him to do. He obeys his word. God destroyed Sodom and Gummorah for their wickedness and practicing of homosexuality. Sodomy is derived from this. Not a coincidence.
This goes to all those that said that Jesus would have supported gay marriage if he were here. This passage denounces that notion. These are his teachings given through the apostle Paul.
Jesus does all the Father(God)commands him to do. He obeys his word. God destroyed Sodom and Gummorah for their wickedness and practicing of homosexuality. Sodomy is derived from this. Not a coincidence.
Status quo | 8:17 a.m. Nov. 9, 2008
"I'm a man and I don't understand Gays. I have never understood
how you can be attracted to another man. It repulses me and I can't help
but feel that it is sick and wrong."
I don't understand something. I'm sure not going to spend any time to try and understand it. I'm just going to stay put in my ignorance. That's the best thing for me and all humanity to do. I'm not going to learn about the wheel or fire.
I don't understand something. I'm sure not going to spend any time to try and understand it. I'm just going to stay put in my ignorance. That's the best thing for me and all humanity to do. I'm not going to learn about the wheel or fire.
Naive, stupid, idiocy | 2:19 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
How sad that writers here think they've achieved something. Have they no
idea what they've done to themselves. This action was foolish, utterly
foolish. The LDS came this close to having a member in the White House and now
it's potentially facing Nauvoo mobs again. California will overturn Prop 8
either by vote or court or statehouse within a year, but in the meantime Mormon
involvement in this fiasco will set the church back by a century. Already
members are complaining of social abuse in their places of work. Let's hope
that is the least of it.
Classic!! | 3:45 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
To those protesting outside the temple reflect a similar situation when moses
came down from mount sinai and discover those worhipping the golden calf!
Homesexual Heterophobia? | 4:26 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
How do the homosexuals think they rate national coverage? They INVADE every
election and FORCE their own viewpoints on others.
The population has long had a policy that if two consenting adults are "doing thier own thing" behind closed doors and no one is getting hurt then "DON'T TALK ABOUT IT".
We don't talk about our sexuality in public and neither should anyone else.
Take your homosexual practices and beliefs and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE.
I for one am tired of having to hear about your issue over and over again. I've gone from not caring to being ticked off I have to hear about it all over again.
Get over your own heterophobia and move on please.
The population has long had a policy that if two consenting adults are "doing thier own thing" behind closed doors and no one is getting hurt then "DON'T TALK ABOUT IT".
We don't talk about our sexuality in public and neither should anyone else.
Take your homosexual practices and beliefs and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE.
I for one am tired of having to hear about your issue over and over again. I've gone from not caring to being ticked off I have to hear about it all over again.
Get over your own heterophobia and move on please.
elizabeth | 7:11 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
our church does not tell us who to vote for or what to vote for, we have that
responablity our selves
wow | 9:42 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
wow
N/A | 9:51 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
i dont understand why the LDS church is being singled out. many voters were not
LDS, and the majority of LDS people in CA are white, which just happens to be
the least amount of voters considering race.
sick of it | 10:40 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
why can't people just let the gays be. No one should tell them what to do,
its there choice and people need to respect it! BOO PROP 8!
sad for our country | 12:38 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
In a country that is proud of the freedoms and rights we provide it is sad to me
that so many of you can not see beyond your own feeling on gays to see that this
is an issue of equity and not an issue of "brats getting their way".
It is unbelievable to me how short our understanding of history is. Laws change
as countries mature and individuals begin to see beyond themselves. Not all
that long ago state laws stated that blacks and whites could not be married. It
would harm the "integrity of marriage" so the short sited white people
thought. Many voted down the measure for blacks and whites to be married before
for it eventually passed. The south once voted to keep slavery. Should the
anti-slavery folks just stopped at that because "voters have spoken"?
What would our country look like now if they had? Just because the gay marriage
was voted down does not make the voters right and so I will protest because it
is an issue of equity. Civil union is the marriage version of separate but
equal. History has shown separate is not equal!
Anonymous | 1:05 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
It's not about civil rights. They have rights. They work, they're
not segregated, they have health insurance, they don't ride on a special
part of the bus, they're part of pop culture, they advertise who they are.
They have plenty more rights then I do as a Mormon. Civil rights? Civil lefts.
Read D&C 134 | 2:05 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Proposition 8 is deliberately and unapologetically a "mingl-ing of
religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society (one of
many brands of Christianity) is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual
privileges (the forms of Christianity, Islam, Hunduism, and atheism that include
and approve of same sex love), and the individual rights of its members, as
citizens, denied." (D&C134)
Proposition 8 infringes on the consciences of gays. THEIR conscience tells them their love is equal. Proposition 8 violates this principle of LDS belief: "We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property (property rights were the historical foundation of heterosexual marriage!), and the protection of life."
Therefore, according to D&C134, Proposition 8 is not JUST! It is a violation of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and modern revelation! Any government (whether by or for the people, or a Church government) that supports Proposition 8 CANNOT exist in peace! This is an implicit call for demonstration and revolution against a government (or Church) enforcing Proposition 8! Read D&C134!
Proposition 8 infringes on the consciences of gays. THEIR conscience tells them their love is equal. Proposition 8 violates this principle of LDS belief: "We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property (property rights were the historical foundation of heterosexual marriage!), and the protection of life."
Therefore, according to D&C134, Proposition 8 is not JUST! It is a violation of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and modern revelation! Any government (whether by or for the people, or a Church government) that supports Proposition 8 CANNOT exist in peace! This is an implicit call for demonstration and revolution against a government (or Church) enforcing Proposition 8! Read D&C134!
JBL | 3:32 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Why do people call opponents of Prop 8 "opponents of traditional
marriage?" It's not like the overturning of Prop 8 is going to
dissolve all "traditional" marriages.
The funny thing is, the arguments FOR Proposition 8 are always logically flawed, and/or hypocritical (see myriad of posts above for examples). The argument against prop 8 is simple: I would like the same rights that everyone else has (no one loses anything). Civil unions do NOT grant the full set of rights that marriage does, so that argument must stop.
I didn't choose to be gay. It's not some 'designer lifestyle' that I rushed to be a part of. It's simply who I am, who I always was, and who I always will be. I should not be punished for that.
By preventing gays from marrying, you simply encourage a continuation of a divide, and cause others to waste lots of time and effort that could be spent on more productive endeavors.
Either allow same-sex couples to marry, or remove the word 'marriage' from all law and all state documentation. If this is a matter of religion and "God's word," then let's keep it in "God's house."
The funny thing is, the arguments FOR Proposition 8 are always logically flawed, and/or hypocritical (see myriad of posts above for examples). The argument against prop 8 is simple: I would like the same rights that everyone else has (no one loses anything). Civil unions do NOT grant the full set of rights that marriage does, so that argument must stop.
I didn't choose to be gay. It's not some 'designer lifestyle' that I rushed to be a part of. It's simply who I am, who I always was, and who I always will be. I should not be punished for that.
By preventing gays from marrying, you simply encourage a continuation of a divide, and cause others to waste lots of time and effort that could be spent on more productive endeavors.
Either allow same-sex couples to marry, or remove the word 'marriage' from all law and all state documentation. If this is a matter of religion and "God's word," then let's keep it in "God's house."
all of you are silly | 3:34 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
We live in a Democracy.
The people have voted.
Proposition 8 passed.
Now, the fight will go on...
the "pro-gay marriage people" will fight for another vote, and thus the people of California will need to vote again.
And the cycle continues.
Welcome to DEMOCRACY
The people have voted.
Proposition 8 passed.
Now, the fight will go on...
the "pro-gay marriage people" will fight for another vote, and thus the people of California will need to vote again.
And the cycle continues.
Welcome to DEMOCRACY
D&C 134 | 3:49 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I did read D&C 134 ... so why is the Mormon Church and many of its members
going against what they preach?
Perhaps the Mormons need to be punished for what they are doing wrong... let the protests against the LDS continue until the Mormons wake up from their ignorance and evil doings. Perhaps they need a wake-up call and some education on the meaning of free agancy, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
Perhaps the Mormons need to be punished for what they are doing wrong... let the protests against the LDS continue until the Mormons wake up from their ignorance and evil doings. Perhaps they need a wake-up call and some education on the meaning of free agancy, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
No surprise | 3:53 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The anti-mormon protests should be of no surprise to the LDS church.... this is
what happens when you get involved politically, you get protested against.
duh!
duh!
realitycheck | 4:09 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I think you all should stop pushing your rediculous religious views onto
non-mormons. We don't all want to be in some weird religion.
we just want you to leave us alone. (sound familiar?)
we just want you to leave us alone. (sound familiar?)
Let it go... | 7:06 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
We are all different people with different views. Why can't we just
respect and honor each others right to feel and believe what we do on Prop. 8
and stop try to be mean and intolerant of people who don't believe the same
way you do.
Stayin' Straight | 10:03 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Most of us religious people actually believe in our respective religions.
Foremost in these religions is the belief that God commanded to Adam and Eve
(Not Adam and Bob or Eve and Gretchen) to multiply. This did not mean to do
multiplication tables. We believe that this was God actually marrying the two.
Therefore, marriage is between a man and a woman. God did not grant the other
possibilities the same dignity therefore we do not recognize them as legitimate
either. If you can have children without any methods requiring intervention or
substitution then maybe you have an argument. Otherwise it is not natural and
therefore it is not a RIGHT. I tolerate your lifestyle up to the point you deny
my right to believe as I do.
Joe Reilly | 4:02 a.m. Nov. 11, 2008
The Church of Jesus Christ has repeatedly asserted its right to speak on
marriage equality. True, just as the Roman Catholic Church (the home church to
my faith) and church affiliates of the Focus on the Family organization are
welcome to express their opinions. But the right to express oneself on an issue
doesn't end after election day. I completely disagree with these
churches' insistence on dominating civil marriage. Proponents of Prop 8
would freak if the states stopped issuing marriage licenses, relinquishing
marriage solely to the faith realm. This leaves all couples on a level playing
field, possibly with access to domestic partnerships or civil unions, but
without access to federal recognition of those relationships: no married filing
jointly; no social security survivor benefits for the non-working partner; no
interstate recognition of legal rights; no single legal document assembling
thousands of legal rights and responsibilities. Marriage would be "safe.
"But that's not really what this was about. In my town, we are holding
peaceful candlelight protest vigils in front of the LDS Temple, the Catholic
Cathedral, and the local Focus on the Family affiliate church. This was a case
of the churches paying to write discrimination into law.
Jordan | 5:28 p.m. Nov. 11, 2008
What is next? Since Heterosexual marriages today dont observe "traditional
marriages" like they used to why don't we get a ballot measure started
to ban Heterosexual Divorce? Or ban Inter-Racial Marriage? Oh I know! Lets bring
back the wonderful world of Segregation! You guys are sure using the same bigot
arguments and you do when any minority wants the same basic rights of Life
liberty and the pursuit to happiness.
You guys must have sad lives with all this hate built into your body!
You guys must have sad lives with all this hate built into your body!
Jordan | 5:34 p.m. Nov. 11, 2008
This country is founded on the principle that a majority should not be able to
decide civil rights issues of a minority!
If that was the case, segregation would still be legal, inter-racial marriages would still be legal, and women would not have any rights!
Prop 8 was placed on the Ballot illegally!
It will be overturned!
Then its you who lost and gave up millions of dollars for a bogus proposition.
If that was the case, segregation would still be legal, inter-racial marriages would still be legal, and women would not have any rights!
Prop 8 was placed on the Ballot illegally!
It will be overturned!
Then its you who lost and gave up millions of dollars for a bogus proposition.
Mark | 12:56 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
It is odd to me how the opposition of Prop 8 have morphed this whole thing into
a hate issue. That is the most ridiculous thing. This has absolutely nothing
to do with hate. It has to do with a personal set of beliefs.
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You fought, we fought. More voted for Proposition 8 than did not. We won. You lost. There was no voter fraud, there was no voter intimidation (well, wait a minute, there were numerous reports of people being intimidated but that was by you guys....) and now you have to obey the laws of the land.
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