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MormonTimes.com: Y. law professor details Book of Mormon, Old Testament legal parallels

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Anonymous | 4:41 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

If I show one error in the Bible, would any naysayer believe me? No. Let them speak openly and loudly so that the world may know they are fools. In time, we shall see who was wrong and right and I am willing to wait until that takes place.

Janice | 4:46 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Just read Hugh Nibley's 4 volumn set on Teachings of the Book of Mormon, then say there isn't any proof. However, I agree that should an Angel come to the unbeliever, "hello Laman, Hello Lemuel." No one will read, no one will do, no one will pray so likewise, no one who hasn't done these things will or can believe, know or testify.

Davis | 4:57 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Did he look for legal records in the City of Manti (as declared by Joseph Smith during Zions camp), the "Southernmost Citiy of the Nephite Civilization? Surely there is something left there from the millions of cultured, horse riding, chariot piloting good people?

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Max | 5:17 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Can we get someone besides a BYU professor to make these kinds of "findings?" It is just not credible to have a BYU professor make "scholarly" findings on Mormon issues. Whether it is archeology, linguistics, DNA, language translation, gender orientation, or some other academic or scientific pursuit, the BYU academics finding will always support, never challenge, the theology. As a result, these are simply theological declarations of faith, not real science or academia.

It gets laughable to continue to see BYU "academics" announce academic or scientific findings that have no scholarly support anywhere else. The result is that academic challenges to the academic "findings" end up being treated as attacks on faith and theology (because this is, in fact, what they are)and things get really ugly after that.

Lets have science and academia stick with their world and theology stick with theirs. Trying to mix the two make both look foolish.

Jane | 5:57 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

I would like to know more about the Zelph. I have never heard of this story. Maybe DN should have an article about this for us!?!?!

Ernest T. Bass | 6:20 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Well Zelph's bones had been laying on the ground for roughly 1500 years, along with the spear tip so they should still be there.
We can use them to solve the DNA question once and for all.

LeeAnn | 6:33 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Yeah, a story by Des., News on the Zelph would be great. This guy sounds like he was quite interesting and would make a great Halloween story.

Illuminated | 7:27 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Re: Davis

Actually there is not a single place in the Book of Mormon where it talks about anybody "riding" a horse or a chariot.

In fact, the word "ride" or "riding" does not exist in the Book of Mormon.

Makes you wonder if they were referring to the kind of horses and chariots we are familiar with...

" in Lacandon Maya, it (Baird's Tapir) is called cash-i-tzimin, meaning ï¿½jungle horse;ï¿½" - Wikipedia

Lacandon is the precise location where most BoM scholars believe the BoM took place.

Illuminated | 7:47 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Here's something interesting about the Lacandon natives in southern Mexico:

"The locals who had traveled there as children are the last informants who know the location of the Lacandon settlements. Since the Lacandon did not typically build 'stone-and-earth' platforms it is almost impossible to find their lost settlements, making the knowledge of the elder locals crucial."

-Wikipedia

Perhaps a reason why we are unable to find the city names in the Book of Mormon. They just no longer exist, physically and have been lost from memory.

Max: By the way, a Mormon scholar didn't write this.

To Otis Spurlock 9:59 a.m | 7:55 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Please stop using my name and posting views diametrically opposed to my own. Why do you use it? Can't you make up another one?

The ORIGINAL Otis Spurlock

Good one | 8:58 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

I am reading the book right now(got it on priority through the j. reuben clark law society). It is very interesting. It is a very good compare and contrast type book. Recommended.

Ernest T. Bass | 10:45 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Illuminated: But it wasn't written in Mayan, it was reformed egyptian so a horse is a horse and not a monkey.
Wow, talk about grasping as straws.

Re: Ernest T. Bass | 4:43 a.m. Oct. 11, 2008

They've also found evidence of small pre-Columbian horses. A different breed than the fully developed horses that arrived with the Spaniards, but horses nonetheless.

To Skeptic | 9:08 a.m. Oct. 11, 2008

I've read the DNA, archealogical information, Zelph, the Book of Abraham, etc, etc books and articles.

There is no scientific DNA evidence that counters the BoM, or archealogical evidence, as it were. I have read all versions of the Zelph story. Which version do you favor?

The Book of Abraham is interesting because less than 30% of the Chandler documents are extant. The book is truly a marvel.

To the rest:
Dr. Welch is not trying to "prove" anything and is publishing on his own. His expertise is in ancient Middle Eastern Law and literary forms. I find it totally consistent that he would make such a study and publish his findings. The fact that many dismiss it out of hand with no pertinent arguments says more about the dismissers than it does about Welch.

And to the complainant about Welch's credentials, his book on ancient Hebrew parallelisms (chiasmus, etc) is used even at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. I guess the Israelis don't know their own culture, eh, to use a book written by a BYU professor?

Re: Ernest T. Bass | 10:39 a.m. Oct. 11, 2008

Yes, a horse is a horse, and they've found small pre-Columbian horses in South and Central America. They are not as big as the horses the Spaniards brought to the Americas, but they were there nonetheless.

Bible | 6:55 a.m. Oct. 12, 2008

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Isn't it interesting how God provided so much evidence to history, archeology, geographically and the character of man in the Bible?
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as if to say, "you are to love the Lord, your God with all of your heart, soul and MIND. "
God does not want 'blind' faith. He gave us a beautiful mind to receive faith through reason.
As you say, 'we all have freedom of choice.' Right?
Right?
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Bible | 5:52 a.m. Oct. 13, 2008

Isn't it interesting how God provided so much evidence to history, archeology, geographically and the character of man in the Bible?
.
as if to say, "you are to love the Lord, your God with all of your heart, soul and MIND. "
God does not want 'blind' faith. He gave us a beautiful mind to receive faith through reason.
As you say, 'we all have freedom of choice.' Right?
Right?

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