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Law firm booted from FLDS Church's trust case
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Anonymous | 8:08 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008
Any action that will return land and home ownership to individual families will
give them more power to govern their own lives and destinies. This co op land
ownership took power away from individuals and gave it to the corrupt leadership
of the FLDS church. People condoned child bride marriages and gave up their own
rights because they were afraid to lose their home or family to the unrighteous
leaders.
Micheal | 9:11 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008
THIS IS RIDICULOUS THESE PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN GET TO CHOOSE WHO IS GOING TO
REPRESENT THEM. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THAT WAS YOU TELLING YOU THAT YOU CANNOT
USE CERTAIN ATTORNEYS. WAKE UP PEOPLE AND FIGHT FOR PEOPLES RIGHTS.
Unsympathetic Attny | 10:02 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008
I really don't have much sympathy for the FLDS church, or its trust, etc.,
but Judge Lindberg is way over the line on this one.
She is forgetting that the only reason Parker is "former" counsel is because she chose to inject hereself into the Trust's affairs, as well may have been proper, and thereby stop him from serving as counsel.
To now disqualify Parker for challenging the proposed actions of Wisan, who is acting as a court officer loyal to Judge Lindberg not the trust, is inconceivable.
Shields is not the Trust's attorney, he is always referred to as Wisan's attorney.
So who is independent legal counsel for the Trust itself? Wisan as temporary overseer of the Trust has inherent conflicts with the Trust itself and therefore he cannot share his own counsel (Shields)with the Trust.
The Trust is entitled to its own truly independent counsel to protect its interests from Wisan.
Which means the Trust is actually without independent legal counsel. Judge Lindberg has not seen fit to let the Trust itself be represented. That makes it much easier for her appointed officer to do what he wishes, even to the detriment of the Trust. Inconceivable.
She is forgetting that the only reason Parker is "former" counsel is because she chose to inject hereself into the Trust's affairs, as well may have been proper, and thereby stop him from serving as counsel.
To now disqualify Parker for challenging the proposed actions of Wisan, who is acting as a court officer loyal to Judge Lindberg not the trust, is inconceivable.
Shields is not the Trust's attorney, he is always referred to as Wisan's attorney.
So who is independent legal counsel for the Trust itself? Wisan as temporary overseer of the Trust has inherent conflicts with the Trust itself and therefore he cannot share his own counsel (Shields)with the Trust.
The Trust is entitled to its own truly independent counsel to protect its interests from Wisan.
Which means the Trust is actually without independent legal counsel. Judge Lindberg has not seen fit to let the Trust itself be represented. That makes it much easier for her appointed officer to do what he wishes, even to the detriment of the Trust. Inconceivable.
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PREDICTIONS | 1:47 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
DEBATER WROTE: FLDS WON MAJOR CASE IN TEXAS BECAUSE THEIR ATTORNEYS USED
ULTRA-SECULAR MATERIALS/ARGUMENTS IN THE TEXAS COURTS.
DEBATER WROTE: FLDS MOSTLY LIKELY WILL LOOSE IN UTAH & FEDERAL COURTS BECAUSE THEY ARE AGAIN FAILING TO USE ULTRA-SECULAR MATERIALS/ARGUMENTS IN THE ULTRA-SECULAR FEDERAL COURTS.
TEXAS CPS LOST CASE FOR BRINGING "RELIGIOUS PHRASES/JARGON TO ULTRA SECULAR-COURT.
....JUDGE IS ....giving sect members an opportunity to protest loss of property they consider sacred...
DISTRICT JUDGE ORDERING THE ABSURD FOR AN ULTRA-SECULAR COURT.
DISTRICT JUDGE IS ORDERING SPIRITUAL CLAIMS TO BE BROUGHT TO COURT OR TO BE USED AS A DEFENSE?
IS THE UTAH DISTRICT COURT ERRONEOUSLY ORDERING AN ABSURD THAT THE BENEFICIARIES CAME FORWARD AND EXPRESS "RELIGIOUS PHRASES/JARGON INSIDE ULTRA SECULAR-COURTS.
CLAIMERS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY STATED
DEBATER WROTE: FLDS MOSTLY LIKELY WILL LOOSE IN UTAH & FEDERAL COURTS BECAUSE THEY ARE AGAIN FAILING TO USE ULTRA-SECULAR MATERIALS/ARGUMENTS IN THE ULTRA-SECULAR FEDERAL COURTS.
TEXAS CPS LOST CASE FOR BRINGING "RELIGIOUS PHRASES/JARGON TO ULTRA SECULAR-COURT.
....JUDGE IS ....giving sect members an opportunity to protest loss of property they consider sacred...
DISTRICT JUDGE ORDERING THE ABSURD FOR AN ULTRA-SECULAR COURT.
DISTRICT JUDGE IS ORDERING SPIRITUAL CLAIMS TO BE BROUGHT TO COURT OR TO BE USED AS A DEFENSE?
IS THE UTAH DISTRICT COURT ERRONEOUSLY ORDERING AN ABSURD THAT THE BENEFICIARIES CAME FORWARD AND EXPRESS "RELIGIOUS PHRASES/JARGON INSIDE ULTRA SECULAR-COURTS.
CLAIMERS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY STATED
zxcvbnm | 6:05 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The deck is stacked a bit more. Ex-flds on the board and the flds can't choose their own lawyer,
This isn't an unbiased legal system it seems to be a concerted effort to remove any chance of a fair hearing.
Looks like the court has learned a few lessons from Texas......first a trial then hang em.
Now we find out that the disputed property is a site for a church........where is justice?
Not surprised | 8:03 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The judge wonders why active FLDS won't participate in the court
proceedings, but if I recall correctly, she appointed mostly anti/ex-FLDS
members as trustees. I also would like to know where the revenue from the
proposed sale will go. Didn't they report a while back that Wisan's
legal fees and other expenses were in the millions?
TI | 9:16 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
WHO CARES!!!!
Cats | 9:44 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The FLDS have NO ONE to blame but themselves for this situation. I feel sorry
for some of them, but what goes around comes around. Their chickens are coming
home to roost. You can't go on flaunting the law and victimizing the
innocent forever. If you behave in a stupid way, you get stupid results.
Eventually, it catches up with you.
Gal50 | 9:55 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The FLDS members need to learn a few lessons. One is that if they attribute
every weird thing their leader does to God's desires and that God's
desires are above the law, they will be in trouble with the law forever. Even if
the outcome of the FLDS legal cases is in favor of the FLDS, they will still be
punished with huge legal fees, court cases that drag on for years and the
emotional toll that these cases exact. It's really hard to have a decent
life when facing years in jail if proven guilty.
Removing Rod Parker from this suit is an interesting maneuver. Essentially, he is representing the same people he used to represent, but the law only recognizes the trust as the item being represented and in this case, he is on the opposite side. It is easy to see why this ruling is being appealed as well as the order to hand over documents. The court could recognize that he represented both the trust and the people who managed the trust and thus he should be barred from representing the same people in opposition to the trust and he should not release documents either.
Removing Rod Parker from this suit is an interesting maneuver. Essentially, he is representing the same people he used to represent, but the law only recognizes the trust as the item being represented and in this case, he is on the opposite side. It is easy to see why this ruling is being appealed as well as the order to hand over documents. The court could recognize that he represented both the trust and the people who managed the trust and thus he should be barred from representing the same people in opposition to the trust and he should not release documents either.
J-man | 10:37 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
What a shame that Rod Parker won't get to bleed the FLDS beast some more on
this case...
Think!!!!! | 10:45 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
When the trust was ran by FLDS leadership, THERE WERE NO FEES FOR THEM, THEY PUT
THE TIME IN FOR THE PEOPLE!!!
Now Wisan thinks he should sell a 9 million dollar piece of property for 3 million so "he" can get paid??? WOW!!! He already sold the Beryl Farm so "he" could buy it at 30 cents on the dollar!!! Talk about a conflict of interest!!!
This is a dishonest judge helping a dishonest fudiciary and because she makes a ruling in the court does not make it any less dishonest!!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!! IF A JUDGE CAN DO THIS TO THIS TRUST, ARE YOUR TRUSTS ANY SAFER???? THINK ABOUT IT.
Now Wisan thinks he should sell a 9 million dollar piece of property for 3 million so "he" can get paid??? WOW!!! He already sold the Beryl Farm so "he" could buy it at 30 cents on the dollar!!! Talk about a conflict of interest!!!
This is a dishonest judge helping a dishonest fudiciary and because she makes a ruling in the court does not make it any less dishonest!!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!! IF A JUDGE CAN DO THIS TO THIS TRUST, ARE YOUR TRUSTS ANY SAFER???? THINK ABOUT IT.
Think!!!!! | 10:53 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
When the FLDS leaders were in control of the UEP, THEY WERE NOT PAID! THEY DID
ALL THAT WITHOUT GETTING PAID!!!
Now Wison wants to sell a 9 million dollar piece of property for 3 mill so "he" can get paid???!!!
And that is after he has already sold the Beryl Farm for 30 cents on the dollar so "he" could buy it!!!!?
Just because a dishonest judge makes a dishonest ruling so a dishonest fudiciary can bleed a trust dry, does not make it any less dishonest, America.
THINK ABOUT IT! IF A JUDGE CAN DO THIS IN THE COURTS AND GET AWAY WITH IT HERE, ARE YOUR TRUSTS, PEOPLE OF AMERICA, SAFE????!!!!
Now Wison wants to sell a 9 million dollar piece of property for 3 mill so "he" can get paid???!!!
And that is after he has already sold the Beryl Farm for 30 cents on the dollar so "he" could buy it!!!!?
Just because a dishonest judge makes a dishonest ruling so a dishonest fudiciary can bleed a trust dry, does not make it any less dishonest, America.
THINK ABOUT IT! IF A JUDGE CAN DO THIS IN THE COURTS AND GET AWAY WITH IT HERE, ARE YOUR TRUSTS, PEOPLE OF AMERICA, SAFE????!!!!
JTH | 11:04 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
In the justice system it seems like that if there is an argument between
personages then they go to court and they hire their own attornies and arguments
are heard before a judge or jury and then a decision is given. How in the world
can a judge have the authority to disqualify someones attorney's?
Isn't that the churches right according to the constitution? It's like
Ron Paul said: "I bet there is only about 15% of american's who really
care about the constitution."
PUNISHMENT OF MIND | 12:09 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
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PUNISHMENT FROM ABOVE | 11:38 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
PUNISHMENT FROM HIGHER-UPS
Underlying issues:
PRIMARY SWITCH: It is reported by the media that Rodney Parker switched religion from (a) Mormonism to (b) Catholicism a while ago.
SECONDARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched HANDS from: (a) secular-polygamy slant to (b) quasi-secular polygamy slant/arguments.
TERTIARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched from: (a) ultra-secular court arguments to (b) quasi-secular court arguments with religious phrases/jargon .
THAT BROUGHT PUNISHMENT FROM HIGHER-UPS.
CLAIMS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY POSTED.
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PUNISHMENT FROM ABOVE | 11:38 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
PUNISHMENT FROM HIGHER-UPS
Underlying issues:
PRIMARY SWITCH: It is reported by the media that Rodney Parker switched religion from (a) Mormonism to (b) Catholicism a while ago.
SECONDARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched HANDS from: (a) secular-polygamy slant to (b) quasi-secular polygamy slant/arguments.
TERTIARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched from: (a) ultra-secular court arguments to (b) quasi-secular court arguments with religious phrases/jargon .
THAT BROUGHT PUNISHMENT FROM HIGHER-UPS.
CLAIMS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY POSTED.
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lover of the constitution | 1:23 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Citizens of the United States and the States of Utah,Arizona, and Texas, this is
your fight! The authorities of these states have humiliated the Constitution of
the United States in an effort to wipe out a religious belief they know nothing
of. If the people are willing to condone such an act against those believing in
the righteousness of Mormon Plural Marriage--tomorrow it will be someone
else's peculiar religion, until men can no longer sit back in comfort with
a sense of security, for there will always be the black clouds of doubt hanging
low over the sacred homes of all Americans.
The people of this country can not afford to let this action go unchallenged. The citizens of Short Creek have been open and above board in their dealings with the State. Whatever may be our feelings regarding Mormon plural marriage, this portion of their religion is now dwarfed in the awful conspiracy perpetrated against them. The greater and more far-reaching principles involved should receive the focus of our attention and thoughts.
The people of this country can not afford to let this action go unchallenged. The citizens of Short Creek have been open and above board in their dealings with the State. Whatever may be our feelings regarding Mormon plural marriage, this portion of their religion is now dwarfed in the awful conspiracy perpetrated against them. The greater and more far-reaching principles involved should receive the focus of our attention and thoughts.
re - think | 1:26 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
bottom line is the FLDS use psycological weapons against the people that trust
them - so we certainly aren't going to trust them. If you want to trust
them, then that's your problem (and your mistake.)
It's sad | 1:38 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
It's a sad day when you can't live the way you choose.
These people CHOOSE to live the United Order and have all things in common and to share everything. But the government in it's wisdom has to step in and take control of things (because us mear mortals obviously can't make our own decisions).
Do the FLDS now have NO SAY in how the trust is run??? Why are a bunch of attorneys and beurocrats deciding how the trust is used?
Why would the attorneys who have taken over the trust insist on selling the part that the people who built the trust wanted to be used as a future Temple site? Don't they even consult with the church on how the trust is used (or abused) from here on out?
$110 million isn't a lot of money for an attorney. If you leave them in charge it won't be long before the trust is EMPTY! The attorney's fees alone could drain this fund over time.
These people CHOOSE to live the United Order and have all things in common and to share everything. But the government in it's wisdom has to step in and take control of things (because us mear mortals obviously can't make our own decisions).
Do the FLDS now have NO SAY in how the trust is run??? Why are a bunch of attorneys and beurocrats deciding how the trust is used?
Why would the attorneys who have taken over the trust insist on selling the part that the people who built the trust wanted to be used as a future Temple site? Don't they even consult with the church on how the trust is used (or abused) from here on out?
$110 million isn't a lot of money for an attorney. If you leave them in charge it won't be long before the trust is EMPTY! The attorney's fees alone could drain this fund over time.
Attorney | 1:38 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The judge made a correct ruling. Snow, Christensen & Martinuea have
violated at least three Rules of Professionals Responsibility.
nosugrof | 1:45 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Parker has always represented the FLDS and there is no conflict.
SWITCH SIDES | 2:06 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
CONNOTE OR DENOTE Underlying issues:
PRIMARY SWITCH: It is reported by the media that Rodney Parker switched religion from (a) Mormonism to (b) Catholicism a while ago.
SECONDARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched HANDS from: (a) secular-polygamy slant to (b) quasi-secular polygamy slant/arguments.
TERTIARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched from: (a) ultra-secular court arguments to (b) quasi-secular court arguments, with religious phrases/jargon.
FORTH SWITCH: Rhodney Paker switched from (a) Utah Government Controlled FLDS Trust or Bank to (b) Group Controlled FLDS Trust or Bank.
THAT BROUGHT PUNISHMENT FROM HIGHER-UPS.
CLAIMS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY POSTED.
PRIMARY SWITCH: It is reported by the media that Rodney Parker switched religion from (a) Mormonism to (b) Catholicism a while ago.
SECONDARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched HANDS from: (a) secular-polygamy slant to (b) quasi-secular polygamy slant/arguments.
TERTIARY SWITCH: Rodney Parker switched from: (a) ultra-secular court arguments to (b) quasi-secular court arguments, with religious phrases/jargon.
FORTH SWITCH: Rhodney Paker switched from (a) Utah Government Controlled FLDS Trust or Bank to (b) Group Controlled FLDS Trust or Bank.
THAT BROUGHT PUNISHMENT FROM HIGHER-UPS.
CLAIMS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY POSTED.
getreal | 2:20 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Maybe the FLDS should have fought the original battle where the Trust was taken
away from them.
Good ole Willie....always good for some "spin" despite the lack of facts to support it. His "poor, poor pitiful FLDS me being persecuted for my beliefs" act isn't working; wonder what he'll try next?
Good ole Willie....always good for some "spin" despite the lack of facts to support it. His "poor, poor pitiful FLDS me being persecuted for my beliefs" act isn't working; wonder what he'll try next?
Mr. Smart Attorney | 2:55 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
You smart attorneys out there who understand Trust laws, do you not tremble in
your boots for what is happening here? All you rich business owners, do you not
tremble that someone can sue and take over a private trust? How then can you
stand idly by and witness this without speaking out in defense of this innocent
people? Oh America, what is there left but to be destroyed as a government and
people, and another inhabit the land who will honor Gods given rights of the
constitution?
realitycheck | 3:30 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I suggest you all go see the movie Religulous and then you'll really
understand how brainwashed these peolpe are... They need your help, not for you
to stand by and watch them get used by a small goup of men. (and I mean the
FLDS leaders)
re smart attorney | 3:58 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
God didn't give constitutional rights. Our founding fathers did. And they
are upheld by your duly-elected representatives.
And do you not tremble after seeing the result of inaction? If the FLDS had stood up like men (instead of sheep) when all this was going on originally, they wouldn't have this problem. Instead they let ONE MAN tell them not to act and here they are. Perhaps if they would stop being sheep IN EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES then they would be able to stand on their own two feet.
And why shouldn't they own their own houses? Why should a church own it - with the power to tell you to leave? Stop with the BAHHH BAHHH and be men. The court is trying to help you.
And do you not tremble after seeing the result of inaction? If the FLDS had stood up like men (instead of sheep) when all this was going on originally, they wouldn't have this problem. Instead they let ONE MAN tell them not to act and here they are. Perhaps if they would stop being sheep IN EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES then they would be able to stand on their own two feet.
And why shouldn't they own their own houses? Why should a church own it - with the power to tell you to leave? Stop with the BAHHH BAHHH and be men. The court is trying to help you.
common sense | 4:14 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I dont think people are that concerned about Flds trust.
Many americans have lost thier retirement accounts, the 401K's are losing money daily. Wall street dropped below 900 today. Flds need to suck it up, quit feeling sorry for themselves, putting blame everywhere but themselves. They wanted to keep the trust? They should of defended it before it was taken away.
Many americans have lost thier retirement accounts, the 401K's are losing money daily. Wall street dropped below 900 today. Flds need to suck it up, quit feeling sorry for themselves, putting blame everywhere but themselves. They wanted to keep the trust? They should of defended it before it was taken away.
zxcvbnm | 4:17 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
To those flds reading this article. It is time for yall to get the modern day version of hand carts and go to some country that still has religious freedom. There is no religious freedom in this country anymore. Set your homes to the torch and seek a new promised land......there will be no justice in the USA for an unsanctioned religion.
to re-smart | 4:26 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I agree with you!!!
amazing | 4:43 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
What is most amazing is no one has commented on the source of the money tht
comprises that majority of the trust. It came from you taxpayers. Most if not
all of those people are on welfare, and they turned and turn over their checks
to their leader. Saying they have a right to that turst is akin to saying a
bank robber has the fight to what he now has in his house.
SLOW FLDS LEARNING CURVE | 4:52 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
WAS THIS THE FLDS SLOW LEARNING CURVE?
Anon | 5:23 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Not surprising that Judge Linberg has the lowest approval rating out of all the
ditrict judges in Utah as shown in the Utah voter info pamphlet.
THE HAND | 5:24 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
THE HAND OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE RULE OF LAW.
RE: Amazing | 5:27 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Does anyone actually have proof that they get all their money from welfare or
are you just relying on reports from bias sources also.
Bill | 6:04 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Posters who type in ALL CAPS are annoying. Few pause to read their posts.
common sense | 7:01 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Six years ago, the Utah Attorney General's Office reported that between 65 and 80 percent of the residents of polygamous families in Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, were on food stamps.
In 1998, statistics from the federal government showed that Colorado City and Hildale were on a list of the top 10 towns with a population of more than 2,000 "most reliant" on Medicaid.
zxcvbnm | 7:43 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Wow CS...I guess the other nine towns in the top ten need to be torn apart as well then.
Why all the whineing about welfare.....for every welfare case in this country the applicants applied and met requirements.
Just for the record.....looks like the present economic mess will result in a good deal more applications ....... so lets whine about that as well!!
common sense | 8:11 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Flds had the largest amount of people on welfare, food stamps and medicaid in
Utah and Arizona. Thats pretty Huge!
Anonymous | 10:10 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Judge rules attorney Rodney Parker can't flip sides
FROM BEING A FORMER MORMON member
TO BEING A CATHOLIC member
TO DEFENDING FLDS FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND LANDOWNERSHIP INTERESTS.
FROM BEING A FORMER MORMON member
TO BEING A CATHOLIC member
TO DEFENDING FLDS FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND LANDOWNERSHIP INTERESTS.
Anonymous | 11:00 a.m. Oct. 10, 2008
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COURT HEARINGS & TRIALS | 1:22 a.m. Oct. 10, 2008
POLYGAMISTS AND RODNEY PARKER MAY HAVE PROVOKED THE
"ULTRA-SECULAR COURTS," WITH RELIGIOUS PHRASES/JARGONS!
CLAIMERS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
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COURT HEARINGS & TRIALS | 1:22 a.m. Oct. 10, 2008
POLYGAMISTS AND RODNEY PARKER MAY HAVE PROVOKED THE
"ULTRA-SECULAR COURTS," WITH RELIGIOUS PHRASES/JARGONS!
CLAIMERS AND DISCLAIMERS AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
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re zxcvbnm | 12:20 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008
you can say what you will about welfare, but honest people get welfare and use
it to support their children. The FLDS get welfare and give it to their church
- who use it for many things, most of which have nothing to do with supporting
the original applicants.
So in fact the church is stealing money from the women and children - and from the taxpayers that originally provided it. Pathetic.
Legal and ethical are two different things. And the FLDS leaders are highly unethical to say the least.
So in fact the church is stealing money from the women and children - and from the taxpayers that originally provided it. Pathetic.
Legal and ethical are two different things. And the FLDS leaders are highly unethical to say the least.
zxcvbnm | 11:58 a.m. Oct. 12, 2008
The flds use 100% of their money to support their families.......their church......and their ""lifestyle" just as other Americans use the money they have to support their kids , church, and lifestyle.
Why not just rant about not supporting their "lifestyle" with your tax dollars...........it may be a lame argument but that's nothing new.
re zxcvbnm 11;58am | 1:35 p.m. Oct. 15, 2008
Everything you said is totally untrue.
Start using truthful arguments and maybe we'll start listening to you.
Start using truthful arguments and maybe we'll start listening to you.
zxcvbnm | 6:44 a.m. Oct. 16, 2008
That's the point Re.......noone is listening. Many people just continue the same old gossip based arguments and can't see past their own misinformation filled notions of flds sins.....
Whine about welfare and paying for a "lifestyle" you detest as much as you wish but give up your FHA insured home loans...your college grants.....your corporate welfare.....SSI...go to private non-government funded colleges.
Live without the government assistance you qualify for then maybe you will have an argument.
It has already been proven by CPS that YFZ residents do not get government assistance.
Those persons at "the Creek" qualified for assistance......food stamps.....not a crime.
woah | 11:01 p.m. Oct. 30, 2008
Too little too late...Now are we trying to see justice prevail or are we a
little p.o.ed because these people don't intimidate easily. Really Judge
Lindberg its actually been far too much for far too long.
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